Amazing Spider-Man Ends With Issue #700

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This is why I prefer Ultimate Spider Man and the Ultimate Universe in general. When character die, they stay dead. And nothing about this story-line tells me that Peter is staying dead or that Ock being a new Spider Man is going to be as interesting as Miles Morales.

I give them a year before they start preparing for Peter's return.

It's like comic book writer's all watch the daily soaps and say to themselves "You know that really makes sense"

I don't follow Spider-Man (or any comics, really). But I think this is an interesting idea.

Of course, being a comic, and since apparently Doc Ock has Peter's memories for whatever reason, there's more than enough material for Peter to somehow come back if this idea goes belly-up. Which, judging from this thread, it probably will.

[I never really understood why comic writers bother to kill off the heroes (Superman's "died" multiple times, hasn't he?). It probably made waves to first time, but after they come back to life... what's the point?]

That sounds absolutely freaking terrible...has anybody got Mephisto on speed-dial? Anyone at all? Geeze...Well at least now when Spider-Man starts fighting other heroes it'll be alright since Spidey was once Doc Oc...

Interesting, but everyone knows that the status quo will be restored at some point, and sooner rather then later.

I doubt this'll even last long. If they were actually going to off Spidey for reelzies (by which I mean have stay dead for more than a few issues)I would hope they'd find a less bizarre and convoluted way to do it. Superheroes seem to have a way to 'get better' from death.

He'll be back before you can say 'retcon'.

Please let this really be the end of Peter Parker...

This will be ret conned because people are already complaining about it, and unlike the gaming market

they listen to there fans and change there story based on that, and a doctor octopus as spider man world is a freaking no go for a lot of people.

I don't read comics and this is why!

First. Today marks the end of spiderman, so spiderman can take his place... WHAT? Do the grandiose words really matter? Why can't it just be Peter Parker foiling the plot of another bad guy? Why does superior spiderman have to be different?

Secondly. The bad guy does a freaky Friday with Peter? Really? Then doc has a change of heart and is now the good guy? How fortunate! This is also why it looks hard to get into comics, all this crazy crap that happens.

Minority here, but I like the sound of this. Frankly it's a new way to rediscover the character, as in have his experiences and memories witnessed by another, very different character. Maybe it's because I don't read Spiderman though.

On the subject of Marvel Now!, can someone please return the real Thunderbolts, or at least the Norman Osbourne era Thunderbolts. That was great reading.

Aeshi:
Come on, when was the last time a supposedly 'dead' Superhero (or Villain) actually stayed dead?

Well there's the first Dove, Elongated Man (so far), Earth 2 Superman (Unless you count the reboot), Ultimate Wolverine (in the most bullshit manner), Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate Dazzler, Beast, Nightcrawler, Dr. Strange, The Blob, Angel, Cyclops, Peter Parker, Hank Pym, I think most of the people that died in Ultimatum haven't come back.

Sure. He is totally going to stay like that.

Yep.

Ronack:
"This is our answer to the age old question as to how we're going to make something worse than One More Day" said Dan Slott, the writer on Amazing Spider-Man.

This is something I've never understood, what is wrong with One More Day? I know I hated the changes that it brought, but at the same time, I read the whole thing thinking "Wow, this is incredibly well-written." Like the rest of the Staczynski run I found the dialogue and pacing to be incredible and by the end I was genuinely sad for the characters. Couldn't we all just agree to hate Brand New Day more?

OT: The new Doc-Ock Spider-Man should be boycotted until Marvel tells the magical story of how at the last moment Peter Parker switched bodies back right before the death of Otto Octavius and spent the next few weeks in a "Surprisingly Octavius-like state of mind".

This is goes on the heap of reasons why I stopped reading comics years ago. Today's comics are shit!

Oh, superhero comics, will your ridiculous plots ever cease to amuse me?

For me, Spidey died when Joe Quesada got a hold of him.

OrokuSaki:

Ronack:
"This is our answer to the age old question as to how we're going to make something worse than One More Day" said Dan Slott, the writer on Amazing Spider-Man.

This is something I've never understood, what is wrong with One More Day? I know I hated the changes that it brought, but at the same time, I read the whole thing thinking "Wow, this is incredibly well-written." Like the rest of the Staczynski run I found the dialogue and pacing to be incredible and by the end I was genuinely sad for the characters. Couldn't we all just agree to hate Brand New Day more?

The reason people hate One More Day more is theyre's a bajillion plot holes, utterly ridiculous writing, calling people who like escapist fiction patheticly lifeless worms, breaking up something that they explicitly said they wouldn't break up, and Spiderman, a devout Christian and the hero who made "with great power comes great responsibilty", MAKING A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL TO DODGE RESPONSIBILITY! Brand New Day rubbed salt into the wound, but One More Day made that wound to begin with, and it cut DEEP.

OrokuSaki:

Ronack:
"This is our answer to the age old question as to how we're going to make something worse than One More Day" said Dan Slott, the writer on Amazing Spider-Man.

This is something I've never understood, what is wrong with One More Day? I know I hated the changes that it brought, but at the same time, I read the whole thing thinking "Wow, this is incredibly well-written." Like the rest of the Staczynski run I found the dialogue and pacing to be incredible and by the end I was genuinely sad for the characters. Couldn't we all just agree to hate Brand New Day more?

OT: The new Doc-Ock Spider-Man should be boycotted until Marvel tells the magical story of how at the last moment Peter Parker switched bodies back right before the death of Otto Octavius and spent the next few weeks in a "Surprisingly Octavius-like state of mind".

No offence meant at all by this, but no. One More Day is not well written.

1. Why have the shooter shoot May? Peter giving up his marriage to save her, a woman who would most likely be dead within 5 years or so of old age, is dumb. It's especially dumb since she spoke to Peter in an ethereal plane and said "I've had a good life, you should let me go". Simple solution: Have the shooter shoot MJ. Mafisto shows up and says "I'll save her but you can never see her again or she will die". Boom, much more trauma and it causes much more pain for Peter since he'd KNOW he made the deal rather than this BS explanation of "a small part of you will remember subconsciously and it'll torture you".

2. NOBODY on the planet can help May? REALLY? Peter talks to Reed Richards, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Dr. Octopus, Beast, even Dr. Doom of all people and NONE of them can help her? BULL. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

3. They wasted half an issue having Peter re-live the shooting. Pointless.

4. I know it may have not been intentional, but when Peter talks to his alternate universe self that designs software, he outright insulted everybody that gets into escapist fantasy. Hypocritical coming from a superhero comic.

5. How'd Peter lose his organic web shooters? Not even OMIT explained that.

Those are some of the worst plot holes in the book, on top of the mischaracterisation as a whole of Peter even making the deal. I know this isn't all Straczynski's fault, the book was re-written a lot and JMS fought to not have them break up but ultimately he couldn't dissuade Quesada. Not to say though that he doesn't deserve a bit of the blame, even a great writer can make bad stuff now and again (see Superman #701).

Isn't it just completely messed up though? Not only does Peter Parker, the Spider-man we all know and love, die but we're now supposed to root for the guy that killed him? And the whole body switch thing I assume that his loved ones won't even know that Peter actually died?

It's really sad seeing Marvel do something stupid yet again, Clone-Saga, One More Day, etc. I barely keep up with the comics, but Spider-Man is a child hood hero for me. And of all villains to have hijack him, why fucking Doc-Ock?

All the negativity aside, I really like the first issue's cover.

JonB:
"How do you get more Peter Parker than that? Now the readers think he's a menace. That's exciting. On a meta-level, that is Spider-Man."

Right.............

Baron von Blitztank:
I doubt this is gonna last. Worst case scenario is that Doctor Octopus will have the mantle for a year at most but then Peter Parker is gonna be back in the costume and trading Yo Mamma slurs with Deadpool as he used to.

What is this whole Marvel NOW! thing anyway? The title sounds really stupid.

Marvel Now is marvel swapping all of its authors and artists onto new and different titles along with a renumbering/new books all together in an effort to make their line more compelling. Since the renumbering isn't really a reboot but a move meant to speed things along in new directions, the books, along for other reasons, have been really good so far.
I'd recommend Uncanny Avengers, All New X-Men, Thor (thought I'd never recommend a thor book lol), and Avengers

I give them maybe ....

No I give them nothing. I don't read comic books! :D

Carry on, nothing to see here but basic comic book stuff. 100$ says PP gets resurrected in less than 10 issues.

On of the things i dislike about this "death" permanent or otherwise is the complete lack of dignity, Captain America was assassinated cuffed leaving court and even he died with more respect.
I haven't bought Spider-man since OMD because it was an insulting mess and sadly nothing has convinced me that that version of Peter Parker was worth buying especially the final middle finger that was OMIT.
Dan Slott is not a bad writer and some of his stories in the book i've liked but this for me is truly the final destruction of Peter Parker for me, my word even Ultimate Spider-man Younger, with less experience (and evidently more mature :P) died a heroes death.

I have no faith in this storyline or my favourite character anymore, Dick Grayson taking over as Batman was easier to swallow then this.

P.S. May I remind all of you no matter how long this lasts we'll still pay twice as much in half as much time, It's Bi-Weekly and costs $4 (again). So yeah, thanks for letting me save my money Marvel :)

P.P.S. In defence of Clone Saga...
If Marvel writers stuck to their guns and kept marketing out of it, it could/should have worked. Ben Riley was a great character and it allowed writers to do more stories with him that couldn't be done with Peter, Peter's Life was clearly taking it's toll on his good nature and Ben came with the good attitude he always had, Peter would have gotten the Happy ending he deserved with his wife and child and Ben would carry on the mantle and the question of who was real would never need to be revealed because in the end it doesn't matter.
Too bad that didn't happen :(

Aeshi:
Come on, when was the last time a supposedly 'dead' Superhero (or Villain) actually stayed dead?

This pretty much sums it up, guys. There's no point getting all riled up about it really. Comics will be comics!

-Dragmire-:
That day my young self said, "Fuck comics!" and I never looked back.

This day, I am reminded of my complete lack of regret over that decision.

What a fucking ignorant world view. Thats like me saying "i saw an episode of the hills once & said fuck tv & never looked back. Then today i heard about Jersey Shore & that reinforced that choice."

Because as everyone knows TV as a medium is nothing but jersey shore & the hills. /facpalm.

Zeke63:

Baron von Blitztank:
I doubt this is gonna last. Worst case scenario is that Doctor Octopus will have the mantle for a year at most but then Peter Parker is gonna be back in the costume and trading Yo Mamma slurs with Deadpool as he used to.

What is this whole Marvel NOW! thing anyway? The title sounds really stupid.

Marvel Now is marvel swapping all of its authors and artists onto new and different titles along with a renumbering/new books all together in an effort to make their line more compelling. Since the renumbering isn't really a reboot but a move meant to speed things along in new directions, the books, along for other reasons, have been really good so far.
I'd recommend Uncanny Avengers, All New X-Men, Thor (thought I'd never recommend a thor book lol), and Avengers

Dude, are you kidding? Marvel NOW has been a piss poor collection of books devoid of content. If one is going to have a creative relaunch you kind of expect it to contain two things: Some sort of Relaunch & some level of Creativity. Marvel NOW is nothing more then a rehash of the worst aspects of Marvel comics, a remix of the last decades shittyness, concentrated into a single PR stunt.

Other then the fact that not a single one of these books has any sort of story pitch, they are all completely insipid. There isn't a single new concept, or even a concept that wasn't being used right before the relaunch in the entire line-up.

Heck i could pitch a better book line up then Marvel NOW has. Heck, you want to know what a real comic book relaunch looks like, take a look at what DC did in 2006 with "1 year later." It actually progressed the story, with some decent artwork... The exact opposite of what Marvel NOW is.

Vausch:

OrokuSaki:

Ronack:
"This is our answer to the age old question as to how we're going to make something worse than One More Day" said Dan Slott, the writer on Amazing Spider-Man.

This is something I've never understood, what is wrong with One More Day? I know I hated the changes that it brought, but at the same time, I read the whole thing thinking "Wow, this is incredibly well-written." Like the rest of the Staczynski run I found the dialogue and pacing to be incredible and by the end I was genuinely sad for the characters. Couldn't we all just agree to hate Brand New Day more?

OT: The new Doc-Ock Spider-Man should be boycotted until Marvel tells the magical story of how at the last moment Peter Parker switched bodies back right before the death of Otto Octavius and spent the next few weeks in a "Surprisingly Octavius-like state of mind".

No offence meant at all by this, but no. One More Day is not well written.

1. Why have the shooter shoot May? Peter giving up his marriage to save her, a woman who would most likely be dead within 5 years or so of old age, is dumb. It's especially dumb since she spoke to Peter in an ethereal plane and said "I've had a good life, you should let me go". Simple solution: Have the shooter shoot MJ. Mafisto shows up and says "I'll save her but you can never see her again or she will die". Boom, much more trauma and it causes much more pain for Peter since he'd KNOW he made the deal rather than this BS explanation of "a small part of you will remember subconsciously and it'll torture you".

2. NOBODY on the planet can help May? REALLY? Peter talks to Reed Richards, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Dr. Octopus, Beast, even Dr. Doom of all people and NONE of them can help her? BULL. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

3. They wasted half an issue having Peter re-live the shooting. Pointless.

4. I know it may have not been intentional, but when Peter talks to his alternate universe self that designs software, he outright insulted everybody that gets into escapist fantasy. Hypocritical coming from a superhero comic.

5. How'd Peter lose his organic web shooters? Not even OMIT explained that.

Those are some of the worst plot holes in the book, on top of the mischaracterisation as a whole of Peter even making the deal. I know this isn't all Straczynski's fault, the book was re-written a lot and JMS fought to not have them break up but ultimately he couldn't dissuade Quesada. Not to say though that he doesn't deserve a bit of the blame, even a great writer can make bad stuff now and again (see Superman #701).

1. That actually happened in Civil War/Back In Black

2. I only recall him going to Tony Stark and Dr. Strange. And Doctor Strange has that whole "Preserve the natural order" speech.

3. The shooting happened in a different book, so maybe it was a recap/dramatic effect? I see no way to really defend that one.

4. The alternate version who was a software designer is entitled to think of escapists as wasting time, because his character wasted his life as one himself.

5. That's actually a problem with Brand New Day, One More Day didn't mention the web-shooters at all.

The way that I prefer to see it isn't "Straczynski broke up MJ and Peter." but instead that the storyline was going to be written anyways, it could have been a lot worse. Quesada already decided that somehow the two were going to be separated, and I'm honestly not sure how much of this plot line was created by Staczynski and how much was forced into the book. Also OMIT felt like a 4-Chapter kick in the balls. Marvel basically told us that they acknowledged that nobody liked the changes of One More Day, but that everyone was going to have to suck it up.

Vault101:
Snip

Yeah, you kinda reinforced what I meant. See, what I like about, let's say, videogames is that for the most part, you can sit down and play a game and get the story. There are some side plots and alternate universes but for the most part, it's simple to understand. But comics are just very...indecisive. And I really don't want to sit down and read Wikipedia because I don't understand/want to understand comics. It's like sitting down and reading Metal gear's plot on Wikipedia. Or even worse, having someone describe, let's say, going to Disneyland to you as opposed to actually going and being there yourself.

Like I said, I wanna like them but I can't bring myself to do so.

Beautiful End:

Yeah, you kinda reinforced what I meant. See, what I like about, let's say, videogames is that for the most part, you can sit down and play a game and get the story. There are some side plots and alternate universes but for the most part, it's simple to understand. But comics are just very...indecisive. And I really don't want to sit down and read Wikipedia because I don't understand/want to understand comics. It's like sitting down and reading Metal gear's plot on Wikipedia. Or even worse, having someone describe, let's say, going to Disneyland to you as opposed to actually going and being there yourself.

Like I said, I wanna like them but I can't bring myself to do so.

thats only if you want to read anything super hero related...wikipedia isnt to understand the story, you might come across a charachter and think "huh...whos that?" (like talia al goul or huntress) you dont even need to depending on some stories...you know who batman is and what he does, you know what superman does

I could list alot of comics book stores that are self contaned

-Dragmire-:

That day my young self said, "Fuck comics!" and I never looked back.

This day, I am reminded of my complete lack of regret over that decision.

*facepalm* well done....

look seriously just read somthing non super hero related if you want..preacher...go read preacher or transmetropolitan..there ya go

no one here would take somone seriously if they said they didnt play games because they hate brown shooters..thats what your doing right now

Beautiful End:

Vault101:
Snip

Yeah, you kinda reinforced what I meant. See, what I like about, let's say, videogames is that for the most part, you can sit down and play a game and get the story. There are some side plots and alternate universes but for the most part, it's simple to understand.

No its not. Try to understand the continuity behind Final Fantasy as a whole, or the Resident Evil-Verse as a whole: Now combined those two and all the other games universes & try to tell me they are simple to understand. Because thats essentially what you've done with comic books.

Comics are a Medium
Super Heroes are a Genre.
DC & Marvel are companies within the afore-mentioned genre.

Just get better at picking your reading material.

This comic ended way before issue 700

matthew_lane:

No its not. Try to understand the continuity behind Final Fantasy as a whole, or the Resident Evil-Verse as a whole: Now combined those two and all the other games universes & try to tell me they are simple to understand. Because thats essentially what you've done with comic books.

Comics are a Medium
Super Heroes are a Genre.
DC & Marvel are companies within the afore-mentioned genre.

Just get better at picking your reading material.

Well, I meant the plot, not the genre itself. And I also mentioned "for the most part". Heaven knows even something like Kingdom hearts has a convoluted plot. But for the most part, most videogame plots are easier to understand. To me. it could also be I enjoy videogames better; I can sti down and finish a game like Dishonored and rest assured I understood the plot perfectly fine.

Vault101:

thats only if you want to read anything super hero related...wikipedia isnt to understand the story, you might come across a charachter and think "huh...whos that?" (like talia al goul or huntress) you dont even need to depending on some stories...you know who batman is and what he does, you know what superman does

I could list alot of comics book stores that are self contaned

Yeah, perhaps I should have mentioned that. I would like to read about super hero related stuff. I like Batman, I like Superman, I love Spidey, I know their basic plot and powers and relatives and friends. but that's about all I know. I'll admit comic books that are unrelated to the superhero genre are easier to understand. They're literally graphic novels. but I'd like to read and understand the superhero ones.

This is why I only follow Nick Fury regularly, but we'l see after the whole Nick Fury jr. bullshit, I hope they don't shove him to the background again

Beautiful End:

Yeah, perhaps I should have mentioned that. I would like to read about super hero related stuff. I like Batman, I like Superman, I love Spidey, I know their basic plot and powers and relatives and friends. but that's about all I know. I'll admit comic books that are unrelated to the superhero genre are easier to understand. They're literally graphic novels. but I'd like to read and understand the superhero ones.

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its really not that hard, you have the whole internet at your disposal...jsut ask what are good places to start

I've read some batman theres

Arkham asylum:living hell
The Killing joke
War games

ritchards:

"Let's get rid of Peter Parker as Spiderman again!"

hold on bucko, this might not be the worst idea
remember that miles replaced parker in ultimate

sales doubled

so if they do it right.....

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