Same Sex Relationships (Finally) Coming to The Old Republic

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Same Sex Relationships (Finally) Coming to The Old Republic

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The feature was delayed while they worked on the free to play transition.

Star Wars: The Old Republic is a year old now - let that sink in for a second. In that time, the MMO quickly rose to encompass 2 million subscribers but that population rapidly shrank. EA and BioWare switched the business model over to free-to-play in November 2012 with some negative reaction from those still playing, but there's no official word on whether all that work has been commercially successful or not. A new blogpost from executive producer Jeff Hickman today outlines the future of the space opera MMO with the normal updates about PVP and PVE content, but there's one very important feature planned which will make a lot of players very happy - one that's been promised since before the game even launched. Come this Spring, you will be able to have a romantic encounter with a character of the same sex. Maybe.

Hickman said the programming and design work necessary to implement this change actually took a lot more time than the team had anticipated and he feels bad about that. "I want to apologize that this is taking so long to get in the game," he said. "I realize that we promised [same gender romances] to you guys and that many of you believed that this would be with a companion character.

"Unfortunately, this will take a lot more work than we realized at the time and it (like some other pieces of content we talked about earlier in the year) has been delayed as we focused on the changes required to take the game free-to-play," Hickman continued. "As we have said in the past, allowing same gender romance is something we are very supportive of."

Hickman revealed there are plans to have some same gender romances available on a particular planet (Makeb) in the short term - added with the big "digital expansion" Rise of the Hutt Cartel due out this Spring - and they will be pursuing expanding those options in the future. Great, so, the option will be there for only a select few NPCs, but the companions that level up with you and become your buddies won't ever be able to get past that "friend" level with you.

Now that the transition to free to play is over, it stands to reason the team will have more time to implement more same sex options throughout 2013. I don't know if that's enough incentive for players to suddenly go back to playing TOR, but it's nice that BioWare will finally be adding a role-playing feature many players have enjoyed in its other franchises like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. As a rule, the more roleplaying options the better.

Of course, being able to roleplay a truly sinister character was enough for some folks. I played my Sith Warrior as an evil psychopath - none of that "nice guy" Revan crap for me - so I don't know if having the option to get all lovey-dovey with a handsome bounty hunter would really make me want to spend money on the game. But if there was torture involved ... Never mind. I don't want to go down that path. (It leads to suffering.)

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Slowly getting there, but it's a step forward at least.

Now C3P0 an R2D2 will finally be able to tie the knot!
I wonder where they'll register?

As much as I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE EA, I really do like how they don't shy away from LGBT content in games. More companies need to be open about it.

Completely unrelated to the praise expressed so far, but the choice of picture underneath that headline had me spit soda all over my keyboard.

Just.... No... Nothing with sharp teeth and that shape should be related to "Same Sex Relationships".

Sidney Buit:
Completely unrelated to the praise expressed so far, but the choice of picture underneath that headline had me spit soda all over my keyboard.

Just.... No... Nothing with sharp teeth and that shape should be related to "Same Sex Relationships".

What? Are you against giant space dessert vaginas marrying each other? That's prejudice!

I would say this is "good news", but in reality I agree with the "(FINALLY!)" part of the article. This was originally a feature that was supposed to be in the game when it launched over a year ago, or even a few patches after that. However, instead they bunked around with ....nothing. Honestly, the game was a good story motion, but lacked features that define it as an MMORPG. And, even as a story driven game, it lacks the story 'oomph' that other Bioware titles had prior to it. Overall, it was a poorly executed system.

hmm are they throwing us a bone or just pretending to throw it

Not against this by any means, but if Bioware starts bragging about introducing gay couples to Star Wars I will personally throw a copy of Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice at them.

Hooray, same sex romance in SWTOR... I totally wanted that instead of fixing the companion lightsaber bug that's been around since launch, or the companion unify colors / preview bug that popped up due to the stripping of content for f2p, etc...
Yeah, it's a good thing, should've been there at launch, but seriously, how about instead of press grabbing additions they fix bugs that have been there and obvious since launch.

now to put this in line with the rest of the content im wondering how much this will cost to unlock

Soviet Heavy:
Not against this by any means, but if Bioware starts bragging about introducing gay couples to Star Wars I will personally throw a copy of Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice at them.

You mean you haven't burned it already?

Man, that's so gay :P

Good on EA, they need all the goodwill they can get.

saintdane05:

Soviet Heavy:
Not against this by any means, but if Bioware starts bragging about introducing gay couples to Star Wars I will personally throw a copy of Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice at them.

You mean you haven't burned it already?

Sadly no. Everything that has taken place after Bloodlines has been absolutely awful, but I don't burn books. Besides, how would I be able to rip apart Troy Denning's garbage or watch his pissing match with Traviss play out between the pages of their books?

Killing Mara Jade in a poorly drawn out matter is one thing. Putting child molestation into Star Wars is another. Both are pretty bad, but in the end I'll stick with the writer who only treats the Jedi as Nazis rather than the one who assassinates characters for the sake of shock value.

I don't understand how this took "a lot more time" to program. What weird data structure dependencies/algorithms did they implement that made changing a trivial binary check break the program?

Large projects like this, obviously, can have lots of weird code issues. But something like this shouldn't be that big of a problem.

Soviet Heavy:

saintdane05:

Soviet Heavy:
Not against this by any means, but if Bioware starts bragging about introducing gay couples to Star Wars I will personally throw a copy of Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice at them.

You mean you haven't burned it already?

Sadly no. Everything that has taken place after Bloodlines has been absolutely awful, but I don't burn books. Besides, how would I be able to rip apart Troy Denning's garbage or watch his pissing match with Traviss play out between the pages of their books?

Killing Mara Jade in a poorly drawn out matter is one thing. Putting child molestation into Star Wars is another. Both are pretty bad, but in the end I'll stick with the writer who only treats the Jedi as Nazis rather than the one who assassinates characters for the sake of shock value.

I did like the Yuuzahn Vhong war, though. (However you spell them). Vector Prime was good.

Urgh, this is disgusting. It's Luke and Leia, not Luke and Han! Anakin hates fags! Thank the Force for 0 BBY and dead Stormtroopers!

saintdane05:

Soviet Heavy:

saintdane05:

You mean you haven't burned it already?

Sadly no. Everything that has taken place after Bloodlines has been absolutely awful, but I don't burn books. Besides, how would I be able to rip apart Troy Denning's garbage or watch his pissing match with Traviss play out between the pages of their books?

Killing Mara Jade in a poorly drawn out matter is one thing. Putting child molestation into Star Wars is another. Both are pretty bad, but in the end I'll stick with the writer who only treats the Jedi as Nazis rather than the one who assassinates characters for the sake of shock value.

I did like the Yuuzahn Vhong war, though. (However you spell them). Vector Prime was good.

The Yuuzhan Vong War got points for pushing the envelope with what Star Wars was capable of. It introduced a whole new set of characters while putting the main heroes into a new dynamic as mentors rather than frontline warriors. Then, everything afterwards (Dark Nest, Legacy of the Force, Fate of the Jedi) has done its best to kill off all those new interesting characters in order to redo the prequels, except even worse. Legacy of the Force is Anakin's fall as told through Jacen Solo, and it manages to be even worse.

funny how this announcement came on the same day i decided to UN-install the game, it was just sitting there taking space.

I'm not the biggest Chris Avellone fan in the world, but I'm pretty sure he's right on this point: voice acting for every single line of dialogue in huge RPGs is rarely worth it. My guess is that the major expense and time involved in the gay jedi buttsex isn't just changing some bits from no-homo to homo, but rather getting the actors together to voice the scenes in question, getting the studio time, editing, mixing, etc. The writing and coding portion would likely be pretty cheap otherwise.

Aside from that, knee-jerk reaction: make F2P less insanely broken (I know it hurts, but I'd limit the story missions and open up the PvP and operations) and then I'll care about whether you add romance options I don't plan on using anyway.

felbot:
funny how this announcement came on the same day i decided to UN-install the game, it was just sitting there taking space.

This reminds me, I forgot to rage uninstall it the day I played the trial and realized I couldn't go into space. I go through a ton of crap, soloing group quests (because I'm an objective stealing jerk), and when I finally get my starship I found out I couldn't fly in it. Haven't touched it since.

OT: Wasn't there an incident that ended up declaring there are no gays in Star Wars? What's the point of making same-sex relationships possible when there are 0 gay characters to have said relationships?

Just add some more voice acting and let dudes fuck.
Doesn't sound that hard to me.

Same Sex Relationships are a pay only option, just you watch.

Brad Shepard:
Same Sex Relationships are a pay only option, just you watch.

Gay dudes need love too, but they gotta pay!
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FelixG:

Brad Shepard:
Same Sex Relationships are a pay only option, just you watch.

Gay dudes need love too, but they gotta pay!
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Only difference is that they don't pay through the nose like the rest of us.

Toilet:

FelixG:

Brad Shepard:
Same Sex Relationships are a pay only option, just you watch.

Gay dudes need love too, but they gotta pay!
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Only difference is that they don't pay through the nose like the rest of us.

You're right.
They gotta pay out the ass.

/Hey, someone was going to say it...

OT:
MEH!
I wish this game had been released as a stand-alone game, instead of an MMO.
THEN I would have cared.
:/

Also:
InB4 Crazy Ass Religious/Right-Wingers Using This As An Example of the 'War On Traditional Family Values' bullcrap.
:|

To be honest I consider this to be a non-issue at the moment. Whatever your opinion the subject matter this seems like a last ditch effort to draw in players with LGBT options due to the failing player base. Love the idea or hate it, it would have meant more if this was actually done before the game was pretty much on it's deaths bed. As someone who was there in the beginning I will say that as much as I'm a perv who could have appreciated some hawt girl on girl action my other sentiments aside (lol), they never actually promised anything a year ago. EA pretty much pulled an "Obama/Clinton" and went around and promised both sides what they wanted to hear. There were some well publicized statements saying that they were going to do this (or more often that it was a "strong possibility" though they did outright confirm it at least once) while other members of the team said exactly the opposite to those who didn't want it. In the end I imagine they would have continued playing "carrot on the stick" with such a divisive issue if they weren't desperate to get and maintain any players at all.

In the final equasion ToR suffers from bad design, a lack of content, and not delivering on far more important things that were promised, or at least implied. Many of these things were not entirely clear those who sung the game's praises (like me), as even beta testers (like me) were told late in the process that there were going to be a lot of extreme changes and additions to the game pretty quickly after launch.

To put things into perspective, if you ask your typical player what's more important, LGBT romance options or say them building a full space game option, obviously the latter would be the big choice. This whole 'tunnel shooter' thing was supposed to be a short term placeholder for a more robust space option.

At the end of the day what people were expecting was for a game that would combine the best aspects of both pre-and post NGE "Star Wars Galaxies", with Bioware's talent for storytelling and cinematics, leading to a hugely epic "main story thread" combined with the rest of an open world. We didn't exactly get that, a year later we can't even decorate the inside of our ships. As someone who was there the day SWG went down (for real) and came over to ToR with a highly stoked guild of Star Wars fanatics who followed this game in exactly detail of every bit of it's development, to say it was a failure would be an understatement, and I noticed that it started shedding SWG fans, along with everyone else, within the first few months when it became clear that Bioware/EA didn't develop the product they had been hyping.

Of course there are always debates on what exactly a game company promises, and their obligation to keep those promise. Look at say "Mass Effect 3" (which people have drawn parallels to) where they made specific statements about the ending of the game, and what the final chapter of the triology would involve, then they did the obvious, with later press releases kind of reinforcing that they were "being honest" combined with of course that infamous "behind the scenes app" which showed developers lying publically about what they had apparently decided to do behind the scenes. It can be hard to prove who said what at various times, but the major fans who followed statements made at cons, minor press releases, etc... wound up with an entirely differant picture of the game and plans for it than that EA actally delivered. It's made worse when you consider that when fans ask for clarification on contritdictions the response is usually double speak that imply both statements are true, or simply "we didn't lie in earlier releases" which are taken as reassurance that the initial promises are being kept.

The overall point here is that I do not think ToR can be saved. With ME3 they could re-do the ending of the game entirely (as opposed to simply "clarifing" it) and thus win back their fans. With ToR your basically looking at a situation where they would effectively have to double or triple the amount of content in the game now in order to meet their promises, before even considering making a profit, and that generally isn't going to happen. Right now I suspect ToR is one of those games that might actually come close to it's original promises 4-5 years into it's lifecycle if it survives that long, and honestly I have my doubts that it will.

At this point I wouldn't be cheering them on for their whole LGBT annoucement, or get upset by it if your on the opposite side of things. It's an act of utter desperation, rather than any kind of political statement, or genuine support for the position. ToR does not currently deserve the attention.

To be honest I think the Star Wars community should consider pressuring Sony to re-release Star Wars Galaxies. Much earlier in SoE's MMO career they re-did the entire graphics/models system for Everquest (giving you a choice to use old or new ones). That's a major undertaking, but if they could patch up SWG, update the graphics, and combine features people liked from both sides of the NGE (like some emulators are trying to do) I think they could create the game
people actually expected ToR to be.

While I'm all for graphic sex and violence in games, I believe you need a good game first, and really "Star Wars: Hallway runner" is not it. One of the things that got me to leave was the process of doing quests where I might have to backtrack to earlier worlds... run through a spaceport, hangard bay, my ship, dock with an orbital station, run through that, enter the starport, run through that, arrive at destination, run to NPC, talk to NPC, and then go through the entire process in reverse to actually progress my quest 1 step... all this just running through empty rooms/hallways with nothing going on for 45 minutes. I don't care if you offer me a fully interactive harem of my favorite porn stars, that plain out sucks....

hazabaza1:
Just add some more voice acting and let dudes fuck.
Doesn't sound that hard to me.

I thought it being hard was the point.

But in case nobody has realised what this actually is - marketing and advertisement. It's a F2P game that people left because it was unpolished, buggy, system demanding and the content could be completed too easily by "serious" raiders.

Xan Krieger:
OT: Wasn't there an incident that ended up declaring there are no gays in Star Wars? What's the point of making same-sex relationships possible when there are 0 gay characters to have said relationships?

The controversy was over a quip from one of the dev team on how the idea of being gay doesn't exist in the SW universe because everyone pretty much fucks anything with a pulse.

OT: Too little too late? I mean the game was okay despite being a decent single player experience wrapped in a half-baked MMO, but is this their best saving throw after their draconian F2P scheme has sealed the game's ultimate fate?

I applaud that they're putting in same sex relationships, but they really need to work on the relationships with companions and how companions work in general. Some genders and classes only have 1 romance option, and for some alignments that means that the player has to go against what they want their characters to be in order to pursue that romance option.

That, and companions in general don't really do much, and you can't affect them much if at all. They may get positive or negative affection based on what you do and say, but they only say anything during the main questline and even then they rarely do say anything. If companions actually praised and condemned your actions and even made suggestions of their own, it would make going through sidequests again in each character feel much more worthwhile. You also have NO effect whatsoever on companion's attitudes or behavior, with the exception of maybe Jaesa. If I talk with my apprentice about the galaxy, their training, and so on, I'd expect to at least have a small effect on their behavior and attitudes toward me and my actions and maybe even effect what it is they approve and disprove of.

from a programming standpoint it is easier to include same sex relationships in a game than to exclude them
so try and keep in mind every game which has a marriage/sex option that excludes same sex pairings is actually intentionally anti-gay

dharmaBum0:
I don't understand how this took "a lot more time" to program. What weird data structure dependencies/algorithms did they implement that made changing a trivial binary check break the program?

Large projects like this, obviously, can have lots of weird code issues. But something like this shouldn't be that big of a problem.

what about the animation and voice work that would go into that? :)
I assume when you take your partner youd want them to say or do something instead of a message pop up. "Steve is with steve" followed by nothing.lol

lechat:
from a programming standpoint it is easier to include same sex relationships in a game than to exclude them
so try and keep in mind every game which has a marriage/sex option that excludes same sex pairings is actually intentionally anti-gay

From the position of a programmer id have to disagree? Thats technically speaking "More work,More code" So how would it be easier?

edit:"At any rate, I don't see how the inclusion of same-sex marriage in a video game furthers the cause of actual same-sex marriage. The fact that it's still news-worthy for them to include it shows just how unequal society still is. I'll celebrate the day when developers include it without waiting for a pat on the back from their fans."

agreed sir agreed.

lechat:
from a programming standpoint it is easier to include same sex relationships in a game than to exclude them
so try and keep in mind every game which has a marriage/sex option that excludes same sex pairings is actually intentionally anti-gay

That was my first thought as well. Why is this praise worthy? It's like when Ubisoft removes some invasive piece of DRM....it shouldn't have been there in the first place, so removing it doesn't earn them anything in my eyes. This just screams "publicity stunt" from a dying game.

At any rate, I don't see how the inclusion of same-sex marriage in a video game furthers the cause of actual same-sex marriage. The fact that it's still news-worthy for them to include it shows just how unequal society still is. I'll celebrate the day when developers include it without waiting for a pat on the back from their fans.

Same Sex Marriage in SWTOR III! Count me-wait this is for TOR?

Pass.

This doesn't affect anything. I can't see it bringing new people into the game, or for that matter, retaining those still playing. I quit after 2 months, wanted to quit after 1, but stuck with it in the hopes that things would be fixed.

I have never played a blander MMO. The entire thing felt so devoid of love and passion in game design, it's a good portrayal of modern EA as a whole.

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