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Blablahb:

Kopikatsu:
You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?

I didn't say that. I did say however that the parent's treatment of the kids caused this to happen.

And if you call the police on your own daughter after something like that, I'd say that evidently, something in those parents' heads isn't wired correctly. It's sure a crisis event in terms of raising kids, but such things do not happen by themselves. It requires years of lousy parenting to lose enough respect for something like that to happen.

Now they're using the police to compensate for their own failure, and if you ask me, the Rocklin police messed up bigtime by actually letting themselves be used for that.

You do realize that one of those girls, the one who provided the drugs and most likely the idea in the first place, wasn't their daughter? Even if the idea was originally from their own daughter it's still absolutely insane that the other girl brought the drugs with her and aided the daughter.

This isn't a domestic dispute. This is a case of a visitor drugging her hosts so she can have unrestricted access to their property. That's a criminal offence. Because of that they were right in involving the police, for the sake of their own daughter. It needs to be unequivocally clear that things like this aren't just misdeeds deserving of a scolding, they're criminal offences deserving of jail time.

If the police get involved now in a minor way to impress on these girls just how serious shit like this is then it may in the future be to the great benefit of all parties if these girls get enough of a scare to never pull something like this again.

Kopikatsu:
Probably because the girls stuck it to the man by fighting against authoritative restrictions.

There are a lot of people on the faaaaaaaaar left on the Escapist. Comes with the territory, I guess, but there is definitely such a thing as too much freedom.

Heh... weird...

As someone one the far left I generally see "sticking it to the man" and too much freedom as things of the far right.

Far left in my view entails strict rules and regulations to ensure fair and decent treatment of all as well as providing safety nets and opportunities to those in need or otherwise disadvantaged.

Far right in my view entails dropping as many rules as possible to let supply and demand take care of everything in blind faith that this will somehow result in a situation benefiting everyone.

Sticking it to the man generally seems to come with populism, which here in the Netherlands at least, is very right-wing. Although there definitely are some left-wing ideas mixed in.

Keoul:

Baldry:

Well in this case it requires my kid to want to drug people and the only reason i'd see my child do it would be for shits and giggles.
Tantrum maybe not, getting violent and what not maybe, if there's a threat of death then sure call the police but they shouldn't of let it get this far in the first place.

Yeah but if we use the example above they would've drugged you to skip curfew, maybe it's just to use the internet now but they might decide to drug you later to go to a party next time is all I'm saying.
I can agree with this part though.

Then I would discipline them myself I'd also I might not start trusting the drinks they make for me. Also if they ever did it for these reasons I would feel like I'd been doing a shitty job as a parent.

Hagi:
-snip-

Technically, freedom isn't anything to do with leftism or right...ism (is that a word?). It helps if you imagine political views as a compass. Of course you have left and right wing views, but you also have 'up and down'. If one were to take up as authoritarian and down as more freedom based, then it makes more sense. I.E., someone who is freedom-based and left wing will probably be an anarchist, while someone freedom based and right wing is probably a libertarian.

Kopikatsu:

A Smooth Criminal:

They're kids, not adults.

There's a large difference, you might not realize it, but generally a parent doesn't punish their child by sending them to prison.

And children don't generally willingly partake in actions that can cause the death or permanent/severe injury of the adult figure. What's your point?

They're not children, they're 15 and 16. That's old enough to understand the concepts of morality and consequences. They (or at the very least the 16 year old) are sick and need to be dealt with by the state. They're proven themselves to be too much of a problem for the parents to handle if they're willing to drug them against their will.

I'm having difficulty understanding why people can't see the severity (and implications) of what they've done.

[Emphasis added]

I disagree vehemently. I see nothing here to indicate that the kids thought of this as anything more than a basically harmless prank just to get what they want. Childish? Sure. "Sick"? Absolutely not.

That isn't to say that they aren't bad kids. I have no idea. But this act alone not only isn't that big of a deal, but also isn't necessarily indicative of ill intent or a cause for alarm.

If anything, what they're most stupid for is accepting prescription drugs from others and not doing full fact checking on proper dosage, mixing worries, etc, assuming they didn't. Police involvement is way over the top.

lunavixen:
treating them like a small child? i would've loved to have a 10pm curfew at their age, mine was between 8:30 and 9:30pm, the parents likely just wanted the kids to get enough sleep.

People don't need 10-11 hours of sleep a day. Most parents who still treat their kids like that tend to be rather authoritarian and conservative. For instance in the retarded Christian fishing village I'm from you often heard of such things.

All it caused was kids doing the strangest things. The bible belt kids were getting drunk, drunk driving, making fireworks bombs, brawling in pubs, fucking total strangers, etc etc. Two villages further where I preferred to hang out, it was a commuter town of mostly modern families. No curfews outside of the actual sensible ones, and definately no such crazyness from kids. The kids in my home town were a bit of a running joke for their behaviour there.

And a curfew of 8:30 is insane.

Xukog:
I'm more shocked that Iv'e seen a couple posts that thinks the parents are in the wrong for calling the cops on idiots who think drugging people is a justifiable response to a curfew...and a fairly lax one for someone still in school.

Okay then, explain to us how throwing rebelling 15 and 16 year olds in prison like they were real thugs, is going to fix anything?

Froggy Slayer:
while someone freedom based and right wing is probably a libertarian.

Libertarians are mostly anti-freedom. Yeah, they're mostly pro-freedom when it comes to themselves, but anti-freedom for others.

Example: libertarians support (de facto) contraceptives and abortion bans in order to impose Christian morals back on all women again. Often it's wrapped in some free market babble to conceal what it would actually do. Gary Johnson is a good example of that.

Hagi:
This isn't a domestic dispute. This is a case of a visitor drugging her hosts so she can have unrestricted access to their property. That's a criminal offence. Because of that they were right in involving the police, for the sake of their own daughter. It needs to be unequivocally clear that things like this aren't just misdeeds deserving of a scolding, they're criminal offences deserving of jail time.

Yeah, I mean, teens rebelling... They really need to be locked up, all of them, otherwise society as we know it will be destroyed.

It's overblown to involve the police, and worse yet it's a way of not having to confront their failing parenting skills. Because like I said before: Kids don't do something like that by themselves.

Blablahb:
[People don't need 10-11 hours of sleep a day. Most parents who still treat their kids like that tend to be rather authoritarian and conservative. For instance in the retarded Christian fishing village I'm from you often heard of such things.

All it caused was kids doing the strangest things. The bible belt kids were getting drunk, drunk driving, making fireworks bombs, brawling in pubs, fucking total strangers, etc etc. Two villages further where I preferred to hang out, it was a commuter town of mostly modern families. No curfews outside of the actual sensible ones, and definately no such crazyness from kids. The kids in my home town were a bit of a running joke for their behaviour there.

And a curfew of 8:30 is insane.

my high school started at 8:25 in the morning and 8am for years 11 and 12 which meant i had to catch a bus at 7:50am in junior school years and 7am in year 11 and 12. so a 9pmish curfew was reasonable by the time you consider how long it takes to get to sleep and how early i had to get up for school. My parents gave me quite a lot of freedoms, i was never grounded. I turned out fine, i've got a bachelors degree and am training to get into the police force.

As for the second paragraph, i'm glad i don't live where you do, the reason my curfew was so early was for school, in the holidays i could stay up until 11pm

Blablahb:

Hagi:
This isn't a domestic dispute. This is a case of a visitor drugging her hosts so she can have unrestricted access to their property. That's a criminal offence. Because of that they were right in involving the police, for the sake of their own daughter. It needs to be unequivocally clear that things like this aren't just misdeeds deserving of a scolding, they're criminal offences deserving of jail time.

Yeah, I mean, teens rebelling... They really need to be locked up, all of them, otherwise society as we know it will be destroyed.

It's overblown to involve the police, and worse yet it's a way of not having to confront their failing parenting skills. Because like I said before: Kids don't do something like that by themselves.

Because the only measures the police ever takes are locking people up and then only for months at a time along with criminal records and everything else.

It's not like there are options to just have the teens spend a single night in jail to give them a sense of the severity of the situation or assign them community service or anything, all without giving them a criminal record.

And clearly teens with good parents never ever submit to peer pressure or otherwise do stupid things without thinking about the consequences. If a teen ever does anything criminal it's clearly because his/her parents are total failures.

This was a serious thing they did. There need to be serious consequences. The police is there to help, that's their job. Involving them to impress on these teens just how dangerous it was what they did was the right move to make. It doesn't make them parents, it makes them good parents for teaching their kids that their actions carry consequences. Most likely these kids will be taken to the station where it'll be explained just how dangerous what they did was and then they'll be given a punishment that's in their own long-term interest, something that will not ruin their lives in any way but will also serve as a serious deterrent for repeating things like this.

The police's job isn't just to deal with serious criminals who need to be locked away for a long time. Their job includes dealing with teenagers and young adults whose actions have gotten out of hand in an appropriate way. Whether that's teens drugging their parents, a house-party playing music way too loud or groups of kids making a nuisance of themselves in a public space it's the police's job to deal with them in an appropriate manner.

I could probably make some really bad joke about kids coming before the roofies these days. But I won't.
Still, not being allowed on the internet after ten is a bit stupid, unless they are meant to be in bed by then. I swear people make rules just for the sake of rules sometimes. That's not to say they should have drugged their parents though.

A lot of people seem to be overlooking a small part of this, if this girl (leaving the visiting friend out of it for the moment) is willing to drug her parents, two people she likely loves and the foremost authority in her life at the moment, over something as small as an Internet curfew, then what would she be willing to do to schoolmates, or just random people she meets, who REALLY piss her off. Better to scare the consequences into her now rather than after something even more serious later.

Or we could look at it another way, lets for arguements sake say this was a one off, spur of the moment thing the girl would never do again, the outcome could have been far worse than a hangover, what if there was an emergency during the night, for example, a fire. I am definitly no expert on sleeping pills, or whatever was given to the parents, and likely neither are the girls, im sure there are some that are light enough that you would wake up if something big happened, but these might not have been.

The people that are looking at this as a simple bit of fun, or a bit of teenage rebellion need to have a serious think beyond the single incident, there are so many outcomes worse than the one that happened.

Hell, I wouldnt call the cops, but if my teen thought that 10 pm was a bad curfew, they wouldnt have access to the internet except to do school work until they were 18. And I have to just shake my head at all the fools in this thread who condone criminal activity like drugging people to get what you want. Raising a lot of lil rapists and the like those ones will be.

DVS BSTrD:
Girls using roofies, how progressive!
The parents should be glad the kids fixed them a health drink: those were very pro-teen shakes.

I just have to say, that pun was A-grade

OT: yeah, I'm shocked that thy thought for even a second that they would get away with this.

"Hey honey, do you feel horribly hungover after drinking absolutely nothing last night?"

"Yes honey, doesn't this seem incredibly legit?"

captcha: "mars rover"

EHKOS:
...Snippity snips...

It wouldn't be a terrible idea. Parents use a different method, by threatening usually, but I don't think people would throw too much of a fit if childrens "Sleeping Shots" were introduced. Parents also use Ritilan to keep their kids in line.

Greets!

Huh, there does seem to be truth in your comment, I have heard of drugs being used to control the behaviour of children. It seems that my moral standpoint is different from yours however. I personally do not feel that drugs should be overly used in the control of behaviour of anyone, and the risks in recklessly administering drugs to control behaviour can lead to unforeseen concequences.

Tie that together with the lesson to a child that using drugs is okay to get your way is, in my mind, frightening. But, who am I to argue the moral standpoints when people are prepared to use drugs to control others?

Nay, I'm sure the arguement doesn't matter, like the lives of the parents and the children themselves.

But then, if I didn't have my moral standards and was a child who commited something similar to the subject of this discussion, I would think it is entirely ok and just to drug people for what I want. Meh, this can too quickly turn into a strawman arguement, what matters really is what the law thinks.

Note the quote in the article here on the escapist: "If they were adults, they could be facing prison time,"

That is what matters, what was done was illegal, the law will not care about the parents once those kids come of legal age to be taken in. Then those kids will learn about the concequences of their actions, if they have learned that drugging people for their wants is ok. Assuming, of course, that if they try to drug someone again in the future doesn't result in a murder charge.

And, before anyone here makes the foolish statement that perscription sleeping medication cannot kill you, you might need to think that through a little and ask a doctor on what that stuff actually does to your body.

But hey, judging by your comment, EKHOS, you'd be perfectly fine with children drugging you to get what they want, and I support your standpoint, you magnificent bastard. I hope that you don't get killed before you have the chance to regret the concequences of your standpoint.

Peace out.

Kopikatsu:

There are a lot of people on the faaaaaaaaar left on the Escapist. Comes with the territory, I guess, but there is definitely such a thing as too much freedom.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to call bullshit on this. Leave your political agendas out of this. Just being left-leaning doesn't suddenly make you lose all common sense.

So unless you can prove with certainty that this is a "far left" thing exclusively, I believe an apology to all left-leaning escapists is in order.

Vegosiux:

Kopikatsu:

There are a lot of people on the faaaaaaaaar left on the Escapist. Comes with the territory, I guess, but there is definitely such a thing as too much freedom.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to call bullshit on this. Leave your political agendas out of this. Just being left-leaning doesn't suddenly make you lose all common sense.

So unless you can prove with certainty that this is a "far left" thing exclusively, I believe an apology to all left-leaning escapists is in order.

There is a difference between being left-leaning and being without common sense.

OT: Just... What the hell were they thinking?
How could you DRUG someone because of a curfew?
This is ridiculous.

Bolwing:

There is a difference between being left-leaning and being without common sense.

Yeh, that's what I've said. And I hate it when people make it all political like the post I quoted, it's just poor communication...

mysecondlife:

EHKOS:

mysecondlife:
Reminds me of my ex-gf whose mother set the internet to turn off at 2AM. Makes me wonder what she did to get around it.

Incoming scary thought.

Boot into the BIOS and change the system clock? That's what I did :p

Funny story I just remembered. Every once in a while, she would try to guess the password to get into the system and disable the timer. Apparently she knew that the password is a name of a random city. She eventually guessed the correct password (ho chi minh city) and disabled the timer.

So now, what's your story?

Well, I got grounded, something about school work, but I'm the rebellous kind of guy so nothing could really stop me. So Vista has this time-lock thing which was locked with an Admin password. Well, that's salted and MD5 hashed so that was a no go, only learned that about a week after running Rainbow Tables and a brute force cracker. So I thought about changing settings in the sub-system, something bigger than the OS. My mom didn't have the know-how to lock the BIOS so I changed the system time from there. Strangely Windows didn't do the auto-correct clock thing it does when connected to the internet so I was free. I made it a point to stay on 'til my mother got home from work just to show her I outsmarted her. She was more impressed than angry, though she made me show her how to lock the BIOS. Now I learn about computer stuff for sport, it's like my version of a Rubix cube :)

Blablahb:

Kopikatsu:
You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?

I didn't say that. I did say however that the parent's treatment of the kids caused this to happen.

And if you call the police on your own daughter after something like that, I'd say that evidently, something in those parents' heads isn't wired correctly. It's sure a crisis event in terms of raising kids, but such things do not happen by themselves. It requires years of lousy parenting to lose enough respect for something like that to happen.

Now they're using the police to compensate for their own failure, and if you ask me, the Rocklin police messed up bigtime by actually letting themselves be used for that.

And rather inevitably the White Knighting has reached the zenith of ridiculousness.

OK first of all, what were they doing on the internet? Stupid Facebook updates, online shopping, watching "adult" films? That information is vital to the hilarity/depressing-ness of this story. Second of all: C'mon girls, really? you only had to deal with that for 3 more years.

Baldry:
Considering the fact the parent called the police instead of being a responsible parent and discipling the children good on the kids. The parent sounds kinda shitty from the way they've acted.

Really? Not in my book. They wanted proof before they punished their children, and the police had the testing kit they needed for that proof. The parents just did not want to punish unfairly. Also, the teens should have spent time in jail.

It just sounds like a pretty stupid way for them to get their own back. I mean, if you want to prove you're mature enough to have your curfew extended/removed then giving your parents what is effectively a date-rape drug is probably the worst way. Yes, they are 16 and can (supposedly) understand their actions but with that level of critical thinking their curfew was probably justified, hah.

It does sound strict for 16 year olds so there's most likely a good reason behind it. Perhaps they were falling behind with their studies or exams by going on Facebook or Twitter too much, or staying up too late and not doing well in school the next day. If your kids kept doing that and it was becoming a real problem then I can understand doing something extreme to make them think about the consequences of their actions which they were probably ignoring.

Surely the best way to get around it and make your parents respect your independence more would be to argue it out and make compromises; I do better at my studies and it turn you let me go on the internet later. Demolishing trust instead of building it up for one night of freedom is just petty and childish, and practically shows why the curfew was needed in the first place.

Kopikatsu:

Brutal Peanut:
Well, I guess it's about time to call and make an appointment to have my tubes tied.

For some reason, it kind of bothers me that people think this is no big deal. What if one of the parents had over-dosed and died because of something they had used and used too much of? The idea that there could be a copy-cat of these two girls accidentally killing his/her parent or guardian because he/she wanted more internet time, which they probably had many hours of already, gives me the chills.

Ten o'clock in the evening is not an unreasonable curfew for electronic entertainment that they've probably been glued to most of the day already. Wanting your kid to play a board game with a friend or read a book for a while, or just get adequate sleep for the next day - is not bad parenting. As far as I am concerned what those girls did was dangerous, I don't think jail-time is particularly necessary; but this isn't amusing or okay either.

Probably because the girls stuck it to the man by fighting against authoritative restrictions.

There are a lot of people on the faaaaaaaaar left on the Escapist. Comes with the territory, I guess, but there is definitely such a thing as too much freedom.

Ya, you 2 are the more sane ones here. So I will talk to you.

I read the article, the only reason the parents did not OD was because they only drank a quarter of the milkshake, because "they tasted funny".

Now that there is scary, and I am annoyed at the Escapist for leaving that part out.

Gilhelmi:

Baldry:
Considering the fact the parent called the police instead of being a responsible parent and discipling the children good on the kids. The parent sounds kinda shitty from the way they've acted.

Really? Not in my book. They wanted proof before they punished their children, and the police had the testing kit they needed for that proof. The parents just did not want to punish unfairly. Also, the teens should have spent time in jail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Testing-Kits-Methadone-Cannabis/dp/B0026RQ6Z8/ref=pd_sim_d_3
There you go, a drug testing kit. It'll check for benzodiazepine, a key ingredient in things that make you go night night. It's not that hard. Overreacting's just gonna cause the kid to resent their parent and authority and cause them to act out again. Also since the police didn't punish them the kids are gonna feel like they can do more serious things and get away with it.

It could have been a lot worse for the teens. Back when I did work with a Juvenile hall, there was a girl in there who had put a sleeping pill in her mom's drink so that she could stay the night at a slumber party one of her friends was having. However, it turned out the mom was allergic to the medication and had to be hospitalized. The girl was charged with attempted murder and her mom chose to press charges.

These are kids who are obviously idiots. Idiots drugging people has to be brought to the police. The kind of drugs that make you fall asleep can easily become the kind of drugs you never wake up from again. This isn't a "aw shucks" sort of thing. It's a "We just wanted to go on the internet. We didn't know that much could put them in the hospital."

Baldry:

Gilhelmi:

Baldry:
Considering the fact the parent called the police instead of being a responsible parent and discipling the children good on the kids. The parent sounds kinda shitty from the way they've acted.

Really? Not in my book. They wanted proof before they punished their children, and the police had the testing kit they needed for that proof. The parents just did not want to punish unfairly. Also, the teens should have spent time in jail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Testing-Kits-Methadone-Cannabis/dp/B0026RQ6Z8/ref=pd_sim_d_3
There you go, a drug testing kit. It'll check for benzodiazepine, a key ingredient in things that make you go night night. It's not that hard. Overreacting's just gonna cause the kid to resent their parent and authority and cause them to act out again. Also since the police didn't punish them the kids are gonna feel like they can do more serious things and get away with it.

And how long to delivery? Long enough for it to be out of their systems, maybe, depends on which one they go with and all else. Or, it is easier to go to the local PD and get a kit there.

That is like complaining about a rape victim going to police to get a rape kit done instead of ordering one on Amazon.

Also, read the linked article. The girls were arrested, but because they were minors, no details were released. Which is not overreacting, the parent could have died from OD. Another thing missed by the Escapist, was that the parents only drank a quarter of the milkshake. Had they finished them, then this head-line would be "Teens Murder Parents for Net Access". And yes, even if it was an accident, they were breaking the law. Any death caused by a criminal (note criminal, not misdemeanor) act, directly or indirectly, is considered murder. Though they might have gotten Manslaughter.

Gilhelmi:

Baldry:

Gilhelmi:

Really? Not in my book. They wanted proof before they punished their children, and the police had the testing kit they needed for that proof. The parents just did not want to punish unfairly. Also, the teens should have spent time in jail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Testing-Kits-Methadone-Cannabis/dp/B0026RQ6Z8/ref=pd_sim_d_3
There you go, a drug testing kit. It'll check for benzodiazepine, a key ingredient in things that make you go night night. It's not that hard. Overreacting's just gonna cause the kid to resent their parent and authority and cause them to act out again. Also since the police didn't punish them the kids are gonna feel like they can do more serious things and get away with it.

And how long to delivery? Long enough for it to be out of their systems, maybe, depends on which one they go with and all else. Or, it is easier to go to the local PD and get a kit there.

That is like complaining about a rape victim going to police to get a rape kit done instead of ordering one on Amazon.

Also, read the linked article. The girls were arrested, but because they were minors, no details were released. Which is not overreacting, the parent could have died from OD. Another thing missed by the Escapist, was that the parents only drank a quarter of the milkshake. Had they finished them, then this head-line would be "Teens Murder Parents for Net Access". And yes, even if it was an accident, they were breaking the law. Any death caused by a criminal (note criminal, not misdemeanor) act, directly or indirectly, is considered murder. Though they might have gotten Manslaughter.

You can probably go to your local chemist and get one, I apologise for not searching for every single place you can get a drug test.

No. Rape's a bit more serious then a couple of kids knocking out their guardian so they can go on the internet.

Kids break the law. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm saying it's up to the parent to enforce those laws. It's up to the parent to teach the kids that going around drugging people isn't the proper way to do things. All the parent has done by going to the police is re-enforced the fact that they're a shit parent who can't handle the responsibility given to them. If they were a half-way decent parent they would trust their kid not to go on dodgy sites and to have talked to them in the first place. All this parent's doing is shifting the responsibility, they let the internet security take responsibility for what the kid does on the internet and they're letting the police take responsibility for the discipling of the kids.

The parents obviously provoked them. A 10 P.M. curfew!? Draconian.

All I can say is "lol". I mean really? They wanted to be on the internet THAT bad?

Baldry:

Gilhelmi:

Baldry:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Testing-Kits-Methadone-Cannabis/dp/B0026RQ6Z8/ref=pd_sim_d_3
There you go, a drug testing kit. It'll check for benzodiazepine, a key ingredient in things that make you go night night. It's not that hard. Overreacting's just gonna cause the kid to resent their parent and authority and cause them to act out again. Also since the police didn't punish them the kids are gonna feel like they can do more serious things and get away with it.

And how long to delivery? Long enough for it to be out of their systems, maybe, depends on which one they go with and all else. Or, it is easier to go to the local PD and get a kit there.

That is like complaining about a rape victim going to police to get a rape kit done instead of ordering one on Amazon.

Also, read the linked article. The girls were arrested, but because they were minors, no details were released. Which is not overreacting, the parent could have died from OD. Another thing missed by the Escapist, was that the parents only drank a quarter of the milkshake. Had they finished them, then this head-line would be "Teens Murder Parents for Net Access". And yes, even if it was an accident, they were breaking the law. Any death caused by a criminal (note criminal, not misdemeanor) act, directly or indirectly, is considered murder. Though they might have gotten Manslaughter.

You can probably go to your local chemist and get one, I apologise for not searching for every single place you can get a drug test.

No. Rape's a bit more serious then a couple of kids knocking out their guardian so they can go on the internet.

Kids break the law. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm saying it's up to the parent to enforce those laws. It's up to the parent to teach the kids that going around drugging people isn't the proper way to do things. All the parent has done by going to the police is re-enforced the fact that they're a shit parent who can't handle the responsibility given to them. If they were a half-way decent parent they would trust their kid not to go on dodgy sites and to have talked to them in the first place. All this parent's doing is shifting the responsibility, they let the internet security take responsibility for what the kid does on the internet and they're letting the police take responsibility for the discipling of the kids.

Last word I have is this. We only see one small snapshot into this family. We do not know really what preceded this incident. What if, I hate the what ifs but, this was not a first time issue. I do not mean with this particular crime, but other things. Every time the parents do the discipline, the teens go "NO, freedom" and rebel, even when the rules are reasonable (like no texting and driving, be home by 9, ect).

If this was a teen boy, drugging a woman, would you only want him charged with rape? I would say no, drugging is incredibly dangerous. For me that is what this comes down to.

EDIT: In the US, a drug testing kit at the Pharmacy costs $20 (US). Police charge only at cost, no profit.

Lunar Templar:

from what I'm understanding of the story the blames lay with the parents s well as the teens. First of all, 10 PM cut off, at 15 is to restrictive, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn of other violations of this ill suited rule. kids grow up, and treat a 15 year old like a 12 year old is going to cause problems in short order.

OK this isn't addressed just to you, but kinda everyone who is saying this: can you explain what is so wrong with 10PM cut off for internet? I wasn't allowed up past 9PM until I was 17, at 15 I was rejoicing that the "only 2 hours of computer a day" rule was being loosened, and I certainly never felt the need to drug anyone.

OT: Stupid entitled brats who think they "deserve" to have whatever they want and are willing to go to any length to get it make me ill, little shits should spend a night in juvie just so they understand that's not how it works.

Gilhelmi:

Baldry:

Gilhelmi:

And how long to delivery? Long enough for it to be out of their systems, maybe, depends on which one they go with and all else. Or, it is easier to go to the local PD and get a kit there.

That is like complaining about a rape victim going to police to get a rape kit done instead of ordering one on Amazon.

Also, read the linked article. The girls were arrested, but because they were minors, no details were released. Which is not overreacting, the parent could have died from OD. Another thing missed by the Escapist, was that the parents only drank a quarter of the milkshake. Had they finished them, then this head-line would be "Teens Murder Parents for Net Access". And yes, even if it was an accident, they were breaking the law. Any death caused by a criminal (note criminal, not misdemeanor) act, directly or indirectly, is considered murder. Though they might have gotten Manslaughter.

You can probably go to your local chemist and get one, I apologise for not searching for every single place you can get a drug test.

No. Rape's a bit more serious then a couple of kids knocking out their guardian so they can go on the internet.

Kids break the law. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm saying it's up to the parent to enforce those laws. It's up to the parent to teach the kids that going around drugging people isn't the proper way to do things. All the parent has done by going to the police is re-enforced the fact that they're a shit parent who can't handle the responsibility given to them. If they were a half-way decent parent they would trust their kid not to go on dodgy sites and to have talked to them in the first place. All this parent's doing is shifting the responsibility, they let the internet security take responsibility for what the kid does on the internet and they're letting the police take responsibility for the discipling of the kids.

Last word I have is this. We only see one small snapshot into this family. We do not know really what preceded this incident. What if, I hate the what ifs but, this was not a first time issue. I do not mean with this particular crime, but other things. Every time the parents do the discipline, the teens go "NO, freedom" and rebel, even when the rules are reasonable (like no texting and driving, be home by 9, ect).

If this was a teen boy, drugging a woman, would you only want him charged with rape? I would say no, drugging is incredibly dangerous. For me that is what this comes down to.

EDIT: In the US, a drug testing kit at the Pharmacy costs $20 (US). Police charge only at cost, no profit.

It's a combination of discipline and teaching the kid right from wrong and how to be a well adjusted human being. The fact that the kid thinks it's acceptable to drug their parent speaks volumes.

No one was raped...I don't see...How this changes anything? Just because the child's now a male shouldn't change a damn thing.

I didn't know there was a price on being a good parent...

major_chaos:

Lunar Templar:

from what I'm understanding of the story the blames lay with the parents s well as the teens. First of all, 10 PM cut off, at 15 is to restrictive, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn of other violations of this ill suited rule. kids grow up, and treat a 15 year old like a 12 year old is going to cause problems in short order.

OK this isn't addressed just to you, but kinda everyone who is saying this: can you explain what is so wrong with 10PM cut off for internet? I wasn't allowed up past 9PM until I was 17, at 15 I was rejoicing that the "only 2 hours of computer a day" rule was being loosened, and I certainly never felt the need to drug anyone.

A 10PM cut off on anything is stupid and shows a massive, although apparently warranted, lack of trust.

Granted, this is coming from some one who never had any 'cut off' time of any kind past like, 10 (I think). I could have gotten into WAY more trouble then I did, and as a result, me and my parents never had any real problems.

That said though, they both are big on the 'giving you enough rope to hang your self with', so if they did get a call from the cops about me they'd have let my ass sit in juvie just to prove a point.

When I wanted access to the internet, I just pressed the button on the router that keyed in the code for me.

Their arrest and whatever consequences they're facing will be a good lesson that they can't get away with shit like this. It's stupid and exploitative at best, dangerous at worst, and they can't have the idea that this is a viable solution to when a person is being a problem.

And to address curfew arguments, my sister and I never had bedtimes. Home by midnight, sure, but stay up as late as you want. We both learned quickly that school on no sleep is agony.

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