No Star Wars For Guillermo Del Toro

No Star Wars For Guillermo Del Toro

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Del Toro still has hopes for his Mountains of Madness adaptation.

If you were hoping Guillermo Del Toro - the man behind Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy - was going to direct the next Star Wars movies, you're about to be disappointed. Though the Mexican director admits he was approached, he turned the chance down.

"It was very flattering," said Del Toro. "It was just a phone call, it didn't go past that, it was very nice to be asked, but believe it or not, I'm busy enough." Plus, Del Toro is on record as only really liking monsters - "I like the weird ones, frankly," he said in a Playlist interview - and while Star Wars has its share of monsters, few of them tend to be protagonists.

As for monsters, Del Toro still holds out some hope for his Mountains of Madness adaptation, which has stalled up till now. "Once more into the dark abyss," Del Toro says. "We're gonna do a big presentation of the project again at the start of the year and see if any [studio's] interested."

So we should be hearing more about that any day now, but it probably isn't a good idea to get your hopes up. When it dropped dead last time, it was the R rating that killed it, and - so far at least - Del Toro hasn't given any indication he's willing to budge, either on rating or the $150 million budget.

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Pity and he had such a promising career.

I still don't see how At The Mountains Of Madness translates into a Hollywood movie. The story is completely about building suspense with almost no conflict involved. That doesn't scream box office hit to me.

If it was up to me, I'd try to score Peter Jackson to direct a Disney Star Wars movie.

Eh, it's not really his material anyway. He's deeper in the dark and mysterious fantasy, not the flashy archetypal stories in Star Wars.

Still looking forward to Pacific Rim, though.

I can't see him doing a Star Wars film. If Pan's Labyrinth, the only movie of his I've seen, is any indication as to his style, then Star Wars would not be the fit for him, or the audience.

And Pan's Labyrinth was just a bit weird.

I, too, am waiting for the "Mountain of Madness" Film. I really hope someone somewhere picks it up with the budget and the rating. I wanna see Eldritch Horror on the Big Screen, Darn it!

Better get busy with Hellboy 3 at some point... _

Wonder if this would work.

Instead of pitching the idea to studios how about putting this big presentation on the internet and see if you can get several million people to buy into the idea and then stick it up on kickstarter with a 200 million goal and as long a term as kickstarter allows. Rewards could be for every 10 dollars get a ticket to see the movie. I mean if games can get millions of dollars out of kickstarter with nothing more than pie in the sky developer dreams surely a name big enough to be approached to direct a Star Wars movie with a pitch developed over a year or so would rake it in.

Guillermo del Toro is Mexican, not Spanish.

And thank goodness he's not doing Star Wars. There are more interesting projects out there for him. He doesn't need to shackle himself to a franchise that has so many established practices already.

Could have been interesting, whenever you see Del Toro's name as the director, you KNOW shit is going to go down.

kyogen:
Guillermo del Toro is Mexican, not Spanish.

Adjusted! My bad.

Aww man... first Bird man now Spanish guy. All my favorites are turning this down

I think this is in order

I'm a huge fan of the man, and I consider this good news. He's a pretty creative visionary at a pretty decent place in his career. The last thing he needs is to deal with the largest multimedia conglomerate on the planet breathing down his neck while the largest, most vocal and extremely entitled fanbase in the world yells in his face.

So basically what I'm taking away from the "At the mountains of madness" thing is: Fuck the MPAA right in their prudish and antiquated rating system.

I still don't see why it needs an R-rating to be honest. Lovecraft was all about suspense and dread, not visceral gore, violence, nudity, or swearing. I mean obviously with it being an adaptation I'm not expecting the movie version to follow the novella word-for-word, but I also don't see how you can't do a faithful adaptation of Lovecraft without an R-rating.

Mr.Tea:
So basically what I'm taking away from the "At the mountains of madness" thing is: Fuck the MPAA right in their prudish and antiquated rating system.

It's actually not the MPAA. An R rating is fine with them, the death sentence rating is NC-17 (which can still get released, but very few theaters will actually run a movie with that rating.) The problem is that an R-rating cuts out all the kids between the ages of 13 and 16 whose parents drop them off at the mall to go watch a movie. Under the age of 17, most (really all reputable) theaters won't let anyone in without a 21 year old to vouch for them. That translates into a lot of money missed out on for the studios from young teenagers hanging out at the mall. So basically, don't blame the MPAA on this one. Blame Paramount et al.

Edit: Forgot to post something relevant to the actual topic.

I'm kind of sad to see him refusing to direct it, because he's one of the few directors that really knows how to make a fantasy world look real. Just little background details that show life is happening outside of what our heroes are doing. His movies have it, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy had it, The Dark Crystal had it, and[1] the original Star Wars trilogy had it. I'd hate to see another prequel trilogy, with lifeless videogame worlds. I want another original trilogy, with living theme park worlds.

[1] for their time, they've since been outdone in this respect, and the prequels weren't especially good at it

Karloff:

kyogen:
Guillermo del Toro is Mexican, not Spanish.

Adjusted! My bad.

Thanks for that. Good save. Nice news blurb, btw.

Eh, Star Wars isn't his thing so I'm not terribly surprised. Plus, if these movies turn out to be as bad as the prequels, who wants their name tied to that?

tehroc:
I still don't see how At The Mountains Of Madness translates into a Hollywood movie. The story is completely about building suspense with almost no conflict involved. That doesn't scream box office hit to me...

I don't know about that. I would argue that of all the Lovecraft stories, At Mountains of Madness seems the most likely candidate for a big budget film. Thematically and structurally it's got a lot of the same elements as movies like King Kong, The Lost world, Journey to the Center of the Earth and for better or worse more modern films like Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Prometheus.

Regardless of personal preference for any or all of those films they all have the same structural formula as AtMoM.

A group of explorers travels into the great unknown on little more than rumor, find a world they weren't expecting, get attacked by the weird and bizarre local wildlife, stumble across an even bigger discovery and in the end it all goes horribly wrong as a great beast goes on a rampage and almost kills everyone.

LoathsomePete:
I still don't see why it needs an R-rating to be honest. Lovecraft was all about suspense and dread, not visceral gore, violence, nudity, or swearing. I mean obviously with it being an adaptation I'm not expecting the movie version to follow the novella word-for-word, but I also don't see how you can't do a faithful adaptation of Lovecraft without an R-rating.

You're not wrong, a lot of adaptations of Lovecrafts work have failed miserably because they focus too much on the monsters and violence and not enough on the fear and dread. But in this case I can see the case being made for an R rating due to its two primary set pieces.

#1. The attack on the advance camp: When the advance party loses radio contact and the second team goes to investigate they find that the entire camp has been killed. More to the point they have been butchered like livestock and at least two of them have been dissected and experimented on. I rarely promote the idea of heavy gore but in this case it's important to show that the people weren't just killed but that the manner of their death showed an intelligence and curiosity but lacked compassion.

#2. As they explore the city they discover a lot of lost history regarding the Elder Things creating life as slave races to construct their empire and fight wars against the other species that had arrived on earth (The Star Spawn and Mi-Go I think) If I'm remembering the story correctly it's heavily insinuated that Humans were among the species created by the Elder Things to fight their wars. This means at least one flashback of a bunch of humans betting slaughtered en masse by horrible space monsters. While this isn't going to necessitate the same level of graphic violence that the first example it's still unavoidable

Give it to someone new with a fresh take on everything, it's more or less how Star Wars originally was made, it was George Lucas's first big thing.

I'd actually love to see Del Toro do a take on Star Wars. He does dark fantasy better than most, and KOTOR 2 showed that there is a huge amount of mileage to be had in exploring the dark, Lovecraftian-esque areas of the Star Wars universe.

Get Del Toro to drink some of the water fountain at Obsidian, and he could come up with an amazingly dark take on the Star Wars mythos.

Not gunna happen though. At this point, even a Thrawn adaption is looking like too much to hope for...

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I'd actually love to see Del Toro do a take on Star Wars. He does dark fantasy better than most, and KOTOR 2 showed that there is a huge amount of mileage to be had in exploring the dark, Lovecraftian-esque areas of the Star Wars universe.

But not if you want a big summer blockbuster that all the kids can go see. The original trilogy are all rated U and two out of three of the prequels are PG. The majority of the films Del Toro has directed are rated at least 15 (with only the Hellboy films at 12A). Much as I'm a fan of dark fantasy, releasing a Star Wars film with a rating that excludes kids seems a bit mean (and not very in the spirit of Disney).

Guillermo Del Toro. I have heard enough.

I think you are becoming one of my favorite directors of all time and I hereby will devote support to you, and your films.
Get me a Hellboy III, and get me a Mountains of Madness adaptation. I am going to buy all your films ten times. I will do it.

I love you big time, do you have a donation page?

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DVS BSTrD:
Pity and he had such a promising career.

"Had" implies his career was/is over. Mountains comes out, he'll be one of the most sought-after directors of all time.

Besides, would YOU want to direct a Star Wars movie, knowing how hated the series has become in the last ~11 years?

The Great JT:

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DVS BSTrD:
Pity and he had such a promising career.

"Had" implies his career was/is over. Mountains comes out, he'll be one of the most sought-after directors of all time.

Besides, would YOU want to direct a Star Wars movie, knowing how hated the series has become in the last ~11 years?

Actually, I'm always imagining how I would direct the movies I watch, and I'd sure as fuck jump at the chance to redeem one of my favorite movie franchises. The only reason I'd be hesitant is because it's supposed to be I sequel to the original trillogy, and the original cast is old as dirt. :P

The Great JT:

Besides, would YOU want to direct a Star Wars movie, knowing how hated the series has become in the last ~11 years?

That's been my viewpoint on this as well.

This project has potential career killer written all over it. Folks are going to go into this movie with every bit of bile and hatred built up from the prequels combined with an inherent distrust of Disney just looking for a reason to hate it.

I won't say that's fair or right, nor will I say the movie is a guaranteed failure, after all it's not a dissimilar situation to what happened when Batman Begins hit theatres.

But it's an uphill battle and I for one wouldn't want to hitch my horse to that wagon just yet.

This doesn't really matter to me unless ATMoM drops. I desperately want me some more Lovecraftian del Toro. It's just too good. Looking very much forward to Pacific Rim in the mean time. :D

Plus, Del Toro is on record as only really liking monsters - "I like the weird ones, frankly," he said in a Playlist interview

Yes, that much was obvious in Hellboy 2. The protagonists were a bunch of misanthropes who'd cry when someone or something that wasn't a regular human stubbed it's toe, while whiping their asses with the corpses of their recently murdered human teammates or civilians. Anti-heroes are fine, but the only vaguely save-the-people scene we got was where hellboy saves a baby, presumably because the baby was to young to be able to say intolerant things to our 'heroes'. So we end up with a baby in an antique-looking carriage in peril, a scene frist used in 'Battleship Potemkin' in 1925, homaged to in 'The Untouchables' and which has no place being played straight in the 21st century if you want me to take the movie seriously.

So yeah, not terribly sad that he won't be doing Star Wars, as it holds about the same interest in me as Hellboy 1 did: Didn't set my world on fire, but entertaining enough.

risenbone:
Wonder if this would work.

Instead of pitching the idea to studios how about putting this big presentation on the internet and see if you can get several million people to buy into the idea and then stick it up on kickstarter with a 200 million goal and as long a term as kickstarter allows. Rewards could be for every 10 dollars get a ticket to see the movie. I mean if games can get millions of dollars out of kickstarter with nothing more than pie in the sky developer dreams surely a name big enough to be approached to direct a Star Wars movie with a pitch developed over a year or so would rake it in.

Problem is that not nearly enough people have heard of del Toro, and even less would want to pitch money into this project. You really need a studio or some other party with large amounts of cash for this to work. That being said, I really, REALLY hope he'll get to make that movie on his own terms some day.

 

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