Microsoft Studios Exec Cautions Valve on Launching Hardware

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gigastar:

Foolproof:

Andy Shandy:
While Harrison's points may very well be valid, I think if anyone can enter the hardware business, then it is Valve.

I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

They're pushing a digital sales only model. Exactly who the hell is gonna carry these machines? No game store in America would want one, as they can't sell software for it.

Alot of theese PC manufacturers support direct delivery.

I suppose PC speciality stores would stock them too. I mean, no reason not to.

And then theres always Amazon, whom will jump at every opportunity to draw buisness from retail stores.

Ooh, PC specialty stores and online ordering. Truly that is a completely untapped market for Valve.

DrOswald:

Foolproof:

Andy Shandy:
While Harrison's points may very well be valid, I think if anyone can enter the hardware business, then it is Valve.

I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

They're pushing a digital sales only model. Exactly who the hell is gonna carry these machines? No game store in America would want one, as they can't sell software for it.

Walmart, Best Buy, Costco, and anyone else who deals in electronics but whose business model does not revolve around software sales. More importantly online retailers like Amazon would be more than happy to distribute this hardware. In fact, the only people who would not want to sell this are dedicated game stores, and you don't need the blessing of Gamestop to succeed in the video game business.

Walmart and Costco still don't deal in computers unless they're grossly overpriced, so that they can actually make up for the loss in shelf space a computer would take up. (they don't get the sales in volume, so they simply do it via convenience). So either this thing will be overpriced, or Walmart won't wanna touch it.

Oh and, try to look up how much of the market in terms of console sales Gamestop actually represent.

Ronack:
I.E. Microsoft is scared shitless.

this.

the whole thing smacks of fear on Microsoft's end

Be sure to think over hard before you launch a DOUBLE competitor to our products.

Yeah M$, I don't think Valve is lying awake at night thinking about how they are going to beat out your 7 year old toaster oven. Just be honest and admit you are afraid it might be a big hit and Windows will finally be a thing of the past.

Foolproof:
try to look up how much of the market in terms of console sales Gamestop actually represent.

Whatever their chunk of the market actually is the fact remains that its dwindling, fast.

Yeah, this is less of Microsoft being scared of competition for Xbox and more of Microsoft being scared shitless of Linux coming to the mainstream more and more. Without Windows sales, Microsoft dies. Hard.

J Tyran:

Foolproof:
try to look up how much of the market in terms of console sales Gamestop actually represent.

Whatever their chunk of the market actually is the fact remains that its dwindling, fast.

For games, yes, for consoles, no. THe fact remains that people are not buying their consoles online, they buy them from brick and mortar stores. And to have a console work, you need to sell those stores on it. Newsflash - Valve are overlooking that. Microsoft are warning them that they are overlooking that. And peoples reaction is "VALVE GOOD! VALVE PERFECT! MICROSOFT ATTACK VALVE, WE ATTACK MICROSOFT!".

Four words. Games. For. Windows. Live. Once you sort out that syphilitic tumour upon the face of PC gaming, then you can hand out advice, Microsoft.

Til then, maybe take a few tips from Valve. From what I've heard they're planning an open hardware platform, made by a variety of manufacturers, in a variety of forms to suit the function of the user. Then their gonna tie the whole thing together with Steam and robert is your mothers brother. So to speak.

Captcha: Knock on wood

Not required captcha, but it can't hurt I guess.

Foolproof:

J Tyran:

Foolproof:
try to look up how much of the market in terms of console sales Gamestop actually represent.

Whatever their chunk of the market actually is the fact remains that its dwindling, fast.

For games, yes, for consoles, no. THe fact remains that people are not buying their consoles online, they buy them from brick and mortar stores.

I am not trying to call you out on this, I am genuinely interested in finding out more but can you provide sources. Sources for more than one Country in particular. Because I had to really wonder why people would choose to buy consoles from game specialist retailers at all, never mind the online Vs brick and mortar debate. The deals they offer are generally the worst, the prices are consistently higher and they dress up crappy bundle deals by including rubbish and cheap 3rd party accessories with the games noone really wants. Other retailers, whether its online or brick and mortar have far better deals far more frequently. It is pretty bad when I can walk into a supermarket, buy some eggs and some bread and grab an Xbox or a PS3 for less money than in Gamestation or Game.

J Tyran:

Foolproof:

J Tyran:

Whatever their chunk of the market actually is the fact remains that its dwindling, fast.

For games, yes, for consoles, no. THe fact remains that people are not buying their consoles online, they buy them from brick and mortar stores.

I am not trying to call you out on this, I am genuinely interested in finding out more but can you provide sources. Sources for more than one Country in particular. Because I had to really wonder why people would choose to buy consoles from game specialist retailers at all, never mind the online Vs brick and mortar debate. The deals they offer are generally the worst, the prices are consistently higher and they dress up crappy bundle deals by including rubbish and cheap 3rd party accessories with the games noone really wants. Other retailers, whether its online or brick and mortar have far better deals far more frequently. It is pretty bad when I can walk into a supermarket, buy some eggs and some bread and grab an Xbox or a PS3 for less money than in Gamestation or Game.

Unfortunately, I read the article I got this from a year ago, and didn't bookmark it - I'm afraid I cannot find it presently.

As for the why, thought, one major reason is trade in deals, store credit and the like. Gamers are more likely to buy a new console if they can trade in their old one to get it signifigantly cheaper. Another is advertising of the deals themselves. A third reason is a much more friendly and focused attitude - there is a lot of personalised help in finding the right console for you in specialised games stores, that simply is not there online (unless you like immediately getting swamped with people talking about the PC master race), or in Walmart.

Isalan:
Four words. Games. For. Windows. Live. Once you sort out that syphilitic tumour upon the face of PC gaming, then you can hand out advice, Microsoft.

Do you know what an Ad Hominem is?

Foolproof:

J Tyran:

Foolproof:
For games, yes, for consoles, no. THe fact remains that people are not buying their consoles online, they buy them from brick and mortar stores.

I am not trying to call you out on this, I am genuinely interested in finding out more but can you provide sources. Sources for more than one Country in particular. Because I had to really wonder why people would choose to buy consoles from game specialist retailers at all, never mind the online Vs brick and mortar debate. The deals they offer are generally the worst, the prices are consistently higher and they dress up crappy bundle deals by including rubbish and cheap 3rd party accessories with the games noone really wants. Other retailers, whether its online or brick and mortar have far better deals far more frequently. It is pretty bad when I can walk into a supermarket, buy some eggs and some bread and grab an Xbox or a PS3 for less money than in Gamestation or Game.

Unfortunately, I read the article I got this from a year ago, and didn't bookmark it - I'm afraid I cannot find it presently.

As for the why, thought, one major reason is trade in deals, store credit and the like. Gamers are more likely to buy a new console if they can trade in their old one to get it signifigantly cheaper. Another is advertising of the deals themselves. A third reason is a much more friendly and focused attitude - there is a lot of personalised help in finding the right console for you in specialised games stores, that simply is not there online (unless you like immediately getting swamped with people talking about the PC master race), or in Walmart.

I believe you, your point matches consumer behavior. Most consumers are useless and need their hands holding. Instead of taking their time and checking out the available deals they prefer to go into a store and let someone talk them into buying the products that are over priced.

Here is a quick example. Same console a basic low end PS3, the cheapest one yet check out the price difference:-

For Game the online price is usually the same as the online price. The 35 price difference is pretty significant, that's enough to buy a game or something. Why anyone would buy from Game when other retailers are cheaper? I answered it earlier, consumers are useless.

Foolproof:

Azo Galvat:
If anyone can break into the console market and make it work, it's Valve.

Please tell me which retailer will distribute and sell a digital only hardware.

First, you're making the massive assumption that the Steam Box will be digital-download only. Which, based on what Newell said in the Verge interview, is way off base.

Second, Gamestop, Bestbuy, GAME, and several other retailers already sell Steam Wallet cards at cost. So, even if the Steam Box was digital only, it's not a stretch to foresee these same retailers selling Valve hardware. (besides, you'll still likely be able to use disc media on the Steam Box given it's not a closed system)

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Ridiculous, over-reactions from BOTH sides of this argument aside, what exactly was the point of Harrison making this "precautionary speech" in the public space? It certainly wasn't out of "concern" for Valve's well-being. And, it certainly wasn't to offer a helping hand.

Most likely, it was a PR statement used to drum up arguments and controversy (apparent in this thread). Of which was likely used to veil a slight "threat" on MS's part.

Something akin to, "Don't make a console or things will get rough for you. *wink* *wink*"

Regardless, I'm anxious to see this "Steam Box". The idea of a unified hardware environment for gaming and an open software environment sounds rather exciting to me. Especially if they go the "modular computer" route as seen in the Xi3 machines.

ROFL at everyone going: "ooooo Microsoft is scared." Yes the gigantic multi-billion dollar company is scared of the much smaller company that only has it's fingers in on part of media at the moment. I hope they can compete because competition is always a good thing for the customers but I kind of see this crashing and burning with only huge Valve fans picking it up. Never know though. They could surprise me.

Saulkar:

Timothy Chang:
However, he hesitated to use Steam as a benchmark of success. "Xbox Live as a foundation, the reach we have and the experience we deliver is a great place to build on."

I am not quite sure I understand this statement. It seems to innitially imply that he wants to use an example of success but at the same time seems to endorse XBox Live as a place to build on... for... the... Steam Box?! Or he is implying that its foundation was what allowed them (Microsoft and its second console) to succeed in the current market?

I am completely lost, someone is going to have to break it down for this dumbass (me).

You're fine. If this hasn't been addressed, he means "OMGs, Steam ain't no big thang. We totes better!"

I too had that sentence catch my eye, for reasons that began with confusion and ended with fits of laughter.

Foolproof:

Isalan:
Four words. Games. For. Windows. Live. Once you sort out that syphilitic tumour upon the face of PC gaming, then you can hand out advice, Microsoft.

Do you know what an Ad Hominem is?

...I'm sure Isalan does.

As you implied, just because Microsoft has shown several instances of dismal ideas and actions does not mean that their advice will be bead.

However, as Isalan implied, their several instances of dismal failure means that their advice should be taken with a grain (or heap) of salt.

Well as long as they don't have overpriced DLC and don't want me to pay $100 for online services filled with crappy advertisements then I'm in.

He considers X-Box Live to be a bigger success than Steam? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *Deep breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I feel dizzy now.

the.chad:
Still don't understand the gaming hate for Windows 8.

Doesn't stop anyone from installing their own programs ie. Steam and every other game in the world.

Been using it for the past few months and have only browsed the app store to see what was in it. Definitely not killing my Windows 8 or gaming experience...

Steam is still my one stop shop for games and good bargains :)

Best of luck to Valve though, the more the merrier!

It's not that, that most people don't like it for. Well, the App styled interface is supposed to be balls annoying and my own mom who's been using computers longer than I have despises it with a passion for that reason alone. What people don't like about it stems from it heralding a direction from Microsoft in which they turn into Apple with their walled environment that pretty much removes one of the better things about Windows. Just about anything will fucking run on the thing and run well at that.

Well if there's one thing I know, it's that Valve is often rushing into things without much planning or preparation. I had barely beat HL2:E2 before HL3 was being shoved down my throat.

J Tyran:

Foolproof:

J Tyran:

I am not trying to call you out on this, I am genuinely interested in finding out more but can you provide sources. Sources for more than one Country in particular. Because I had to really wonder why people would choose to buy consoles from game specialist retailers at all, never mind the online Vs brick and mortar debate. The deals they offer are generally the worst, the prices are consistently higher and they dress up crappy bundle deals by including rubbish and cheap 3rd party accessories with the games noone really wants. Other retailers, whether its online or brick and mortar have far better deals far more frequently. It is pretty bad when I can walk into a supermarket, buy some eggs and some bread and grab an Xbox or a PS3 for less money than in Gamestation or Game.

Unfortunately, I read the article I got this from a year ago, and didn't bookmark it - I'm afraid I cannot find it presently.

As for the why, thought, one major reason is trade in deals, store credit and the like. Gamers are more likely to buy a new console if they can trade in their old one to get it signifigantly cheaper. Another is advertising of the deals themselves. A third reason is a much more friendly and focused attitude - there is a lot of personalised help in finding the right console for you in specialised games stores, that simply is not there online (unless you like immediately getting swamped with people talking about the PC master race), or in Walmart.

I believe you, your point matches consumer behavior. Most consumers are useless and need their hands holding. Instead of taking their time and checking out the available deals they prefer to go into a store and let someone talk them into buying the products that are over priced.

Here is a quick example. Same console a basic low end PS3, the cheapest one yet check out the price difference:-

For Game the online price is usually the same as the online price. The 35 price difference is pretty significant, that's enough to buy a game or something. Why anyone would buy from Game when other retailers are cheaper? I answered it earlier, consumers are useless.

Well, first off, with shipping, you'll notice its $173. So only $12 cheaper.

Second, valuing convenience and timeliness is not exactly a bad thing - some people would prefer to pay slightly extra to get the console that day, and not to wait for shipping and postage, and the like.

Zen Toombs:

Foolproof:

Isalan:
Four words. Games. For. Windows. Live. Once you sort out that syphilitic tumour upon the face of PC gaming, then you can hand out advice, Microsoft.

Do you know what an Ad Hominem is?

...I'm sure Isalan does.

As you implied, just because Microsoft has shown several instances of dismal ideas and actions does not mean that their advice will be bead.

However, as Isalan implied, their several instances of dismal failure means that their advice should be taken with a grain (or heap) of salt.

Since the failure is in a completely unrelated area to the advice being given (that is, about making a console successful), no it should not.

Its roughly the equivalent of saying "You're a world famous and critically acclaimed director, but your music career was severely panned, so who the hell are you to give advice on directing to someone who had a successful music career?"

Vigormortis:

Foolproof:

Azo Galvat:
If anyone can break into the console market and make it work, it's Valve.

Please tell me which retailer will distribute and sell a digital only hardware.

First, you're making the massive assumption that the Steam Box will be digital-download only. Which, based on what Newell said in the Verge interview, is way off base.

Second, Gamestop, Bestbuy, GAME, and several other retailers already sell Steam Wallet cards at cost. So, even if the Steam Box was digital only, it's not a stretch to foresee these same retailers selling Valve hardware. (besides, you'll still likely be able to use disc media on the Steam Box given it's not a closed system)

A Valve steam wallet card is the size of a card. A console is the size of a console.

THis has been todays episode of "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it". Tomorrow? We'll be talking to wrestling fans who still think its real.

Foolproof:

J Tyran:

Foolproof:
Unfortunately, I read the article I got this from a year ago, and didn't bookmark it - I'm afraid I cannot find it presently.

As for the why, thought, one major reason is trade in deals, store credit and the like. Gamers are more likely to buy a new console if they can trade in their old one to get it signifigantly cheaper. Another is advertising of the deals themselves. A third reason is a much more friendly and focused attitude - there is a lot of personalised help in finding the right console for you in specialised games stores, that simply is not there online (unless you like immediately getting swamped with people talking about the PC master race), or in Walmart.

I believe you, your point matches consumer behavior. Most consumers are useless and need their hands holding. Instead of taking their time and checking out the available deals they prefer to go into a store and let someone talk them into buying the products that are over priced.

Here is a quick example. Same console a basic low end PS3, the cheapest one yet check out the price difference:-

For Game the online price is usually the same as the online price. The 35 price difference is pretty significant, that's enough to buy a game or something. Why anyone would buy from Game when other retailers are cheaper? I answered it earlier, consumers are useless.

Well, first off, with shipping, you'll notice its $173. So only $12 cheaper.

Second, valuing convenience and timeliness is not exactly a bad thing - some people would prefer to pay slightly extra to get the console that day, and not to wait for shipping and postage, and the like.

The Amazon price is fluctuating, its bouncing between 140 and 170 as the deals and offers change, both have a free shipping option too.

Foolproof:
Its roughly the equivalent of saying "You're a world famous and critically acclaimed director, but your music career was severely panned, so who the hell are you to give advice on directing to someone who had a successful music career?"

Microsoft got the first XBox totally right, it wasn't a massive commercial success because it was up against the monster that is the PS2. Coming second place to the PS2 is nothing to ashamed of, the PS2 and its price point and game line up where beyond impressive.

However Microsoft got everything almost perfect in the Xbox, the machine was reliable and it had its own impressive line up of PC ports and its own exclusive titles. It was also more powerful than the other consoles and games looked great. In online gaming terms Xbox Live smashed the online on the PS2. They didn't make a misstep at all, they where just to late to the party and Sony had clutched the market with the PS2.

The release of the XBox 360 is when M$ shit the bed.

Micrsofts service has never seemed that bad for me. From the looks of the internet I'm just a lucky 1 off case or something. Steambox is...meh. While new things are always fun, I won't be buying it. I'd rather have the next xbox. Steam has never been a big deal for me since all my friends who use it talk about how much money they go through.

The one thing that Valve have with Steam over anyone else is cross platform compatibility. Buy a game once and install it both on Mac and PC, I'm sure that they will carry this trend on so you can have the same game on your Steambox aswell (providing theres a compatible version). Just think of how many games are available on Steam now, if just a small percent were made compatible with whatever flavour of linux Valve use we could see one of the biggest console launches for years.

I also wonder how much the console will be a sealed unit where you buy the Steambox 2 in a few years or wether they will allow some upgrading of the hardware. Not really sure how something like that would work.

I still don't understand the Steam Box.

It's going to be Linux based, right? Aren't the majority of PC/Steam games incompatible with Linux? Don't the majority of PC games require Windows in order to make use of things like DirectX? I could be wrong here, but I always thought that was the case.

Is Valve going to require developers to spend money and time porting over all their games to Linux in order for the Steambox to be able to play them? Surely that's going to be a massive headache, especially for older games where the developers may not even be around any more. It took Lucasarts eight friggin' years just to bring KOTOR 2 to Steam. Are they going to want to waste time and money making it compatible with Linux, given its eight years old and they never liked the game anyway? Last I checked, Steam only had 15 or so games compatible with Linux. That's not even a fraction of a fraction of their library.

I also don't understand why Gabe Newell is so anti-Windows 8 and its more fenced in approach, when everything about Steam and seemingly the Steam Box is going to be fenced in. It'll basically be a PC which either requires Steam downloaded or retail-bought Steam games to play. How is that not fenced in? It's essentially a walled in, reduced-function PC.

So on topic: I think Phil Harrison is just giving some honest advice. Console are super expensive. Micorosoft sunk $5 billion into the original Xbox alone, and much as I loved it, it hardly set the world on fire. That's a huge amount of money, enough I'm sure to sink a smaller company like Valve. There are a lot of Steam users out there, but I seriously doubt that there's a huge market of Steam users who also want a console, but are unhappy with what the Big Three have on offer. People that unhappy with consoles tend to stick with building their own PCs anyway. Microsoft knew who they were targeting with the original Xbox: western gamers who wanted console games with the graphical polish and online multiplayer of PC games. Even then, the brand didn't take off until the 360. Sony were able to come into the console market at a time when Sega was on hiatus, and Nintendo were the only other company with any major stake in the console market. The PS1 and N64 was a two horse race, so it was easy for Sony to pull ahead. And Nintendo have been making consoles since forever, and aren't likely to stop anytime soon.

Where does Valve fit here? There isn't an easy opening into the console race, it's already pretty crowded. The Big Three not only all have current gen consoles out, they've started bringing out their next gen consoles too. The Ouya has managed to get a lot of attention on the side by offering an Android console. The Gamestick and Shield are now trying to muscle in on that same territory. What is Valve's schtick? What is it they've got that will allow them to elbow their way into the hardware race, and not get trampled by everyone else? That's essentially what I think Harrison is trying to say, and it makes me facepalm that so many people are so quick to jump on the anti-Microsoft bandwagon because he dared slate precious Valve.

Yes, Valve are a great games company. No, they are not infallible. They can make mistakes the same as anyone else. When Steam first launched, it was a legitimate steaming pile of crap. It had the benefit of several years worth of overhauling and updating to become the service it is. That's not the case with consoles. A crap launch can destroy you. Microsoft and Sony were able to get over their rather lacklustre launches because they had enough money to just keep throwing at their consoles. The same can't be said for Sega, Atari or the many other companies that have dabbled in gaming hardware, only to get their whiskers singed as a result.

Foolproof:
A Valve steam wallet card is the size of a card. A console is the size of a console.

THis has been todays episode of "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it". Tomorrow? We'll be talking to wrestling fans who still think its real.

Wow, way to go being dismissive AND not addressing the point. If this is the usual format for "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it", then it may very well be the greatest comedy ever. If the most hypocritical.

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So we're going to argue store-front space now? Seriously?

I guess you've never heard of a warehouse before? Perhaps the "back room" of a shop, even?

Or were you under the impression that the only stock a store keeps is on the shelves up front?

Something you need to understand: If a company can sell a product and turn a significant enough profit from it's sale, they really don't care from where or from who the product beckons. If it's making them money, they'll peddle it.

Unless it involves human rights violations. Then they'll just sell it discreetly.

Well, first Ive heard of a confirmation of the steambox. Words cannot properly express just how much of a catastrophic failure I hope this ends up being.

However I think this is only going to serve to hurt things like the OUYA out of the gate. Eventually it might overtake one of the big 3, but that will easily take most of a generational cycle if not more. I would be relatively OK with valve booting Sony into abandoning hardware for all the atrocities they have committed this generation, but valve has its own problems on that ledger.

Sadly... illogical and rampant fanboyism will at least initially inflate this things viability. Heres hoping that "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" comes to pass here, for the good of all gamers.

What he's saying is true regardless of the reason for Harrison making the statement. I hope Valve have this console fully thought out, and all their bases covered. I would hate to see them take a big loss over this.

Look. Valve will inevitably take over Earth in about 2 years. They'll probably conquer the first extraterrestrial race in a decade. By next century, they'll own this universe, and a few parallel ones to boot.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Vigormortis:

Foolproof:
A Valve steam wallet card is the size of a card. A console is the size of a console.

THis has been todays episode of "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it". Tomorrow? We'll be talking to wrestling fans who still think its real.

Wow, way to go being dismissive AND not addressing the point. If this is the usual format for "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it", then it may very well be the greatest comedy ever. If the most hypocritical.

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So we're going to argue store-front space now? Seriously?

I guess you've never heard of a warehouse before? Perhaps the "back room" of a shop, even?

Or were you under the impression that the only stock a store keeps is on the shelves up front?

Something you need to understand: If a company can sell a product and turn a significant enough profit from it's sale, they really don't care from where or from who the product beckons. If it's making them money, they'll peddle it.

Unless it involves human rights violations. Then they'll just sell it discreetly.

Yes, and the Steam Box won't. Thats the point you don't seem to understand.

You may have noticed that Gamestop doesn't sell you its wares out of a warehouse, it sells them from the front of its shop, where space is a valuable commodity. Something thats the size of a console has to turn a certain profit margin, or its just not worth selling it.

Now, in some cases, stores like Gamestop will sell consoles for less, understanding that they can make the difference by selling games for the console, relying on customer loyalty and incentive programs. The Steam box doesn't have that advantage, it has to make as much profit per its size as they could get on anything else.

So unless its overpriced, Gamestop won't stock the thing.

We can talk about Micro being scared and hating competition and additional jeering-comment-without-reading-article all we want. Maybe you're right and he's just playing nice as to not get bad press, but his assertions are the furthest from wrong that you can get.

Hope Steam's up to it; shit's about to get real.

As long as valve don't use a broken gimmick to sell their hardware such as the Kinect or the PS Move then they should be fine

A lot of people are throwing the "must be scared" idea out there, but sounds wise enough to me. THQ being the example which springs to mind.

However, from theories I've heard, the SteamBox might not be a single piece of hardware but some form of... liscensed specifications? I'm not sure that's the best way to put it. But my point is, Valve would have a significantly reduced risk if this is their plan compared to releasing a standalone console.

I really think Microsoft needs to step back and remember that they're not exactly kings of product making considering their awful decisions leading to an ultimately flawed and defective machine that cooks its own guts and it's several attempts to remedy it not exactly always proving successful.

If Nvidia is doing the building and Valve is doing the software...ing, then there's a lot of potential. I don't have any interest in their product but ...it could be interesting.

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