U.S. Representative Wants to Treat Exposure to Violent Games

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Gearhead mk2:
...this is beyond a joke now. Guys, seriously, STOP BLAMING GAMES. We NEED to talk about the ACTUAL causes.

I do believe this is the same argument the NRA is making at the moment

Here's the thing: if I weren't Canadian, and it went to regular old, help-our-mentally-fragile-and-compromised mental health care, I'd be freaking on board. Pay an extra couple bucks to help out someone who needs it? That'd be great! But it's being treated like a smoking tax... except video games don't give you cancer, last I checked. Just... ugh. Circle jerking morons...

kajinking:

Gearhead mk2:
...this is beyond a joke now. Guys, seriously, STOP BLAMING GAMES. We NEED to talk about the ACTUAL causes.

I do believe this is the same argument the NRA is making at the moment

No, their argument is "Can we keep our murder machines and make rallies at places where people have been shot? Pwetty please?"

Baresark:
You are assuming I'm assuming, but I am not.

I'm not assuming anything. Don't got putting words in my mouth even as you accuse me of the same sort of negative action. It's poor form.

You have accused me of ignorance, false assumptions, and given vague examples of numerous instances that supposedly support your claim. That's a conspiracy theory, and one "sheeple" away from the perfect storm.

If you wish me to discuss this further, I would be happy. Just give me something tangible to discuss, rather than vague statements with no actual proof and continuous evasion. Not to mention attempting to finger-point at me instead of those.

Attention whore. Next!

From teen to Adult.... I have games that feature no blood, violence that would cause physical harm to one's SELF if attempted (i mean, i usually blurt this statement out that "Spines do not fold/twist/bend/contort like that" to art, but it applies here too), and Nothing huge exploding then somethings EGO or in a cartoon poof that is minor compared to say old Looney toons and they would fall under this catagory. Heck, the Okami series does, but it gains that rating from it's humor, suggestiveness, and very cartoony violence. Also isn't persona 4 rated mature? (please, don't bring Persona 3 into this; there are guns, but they aren't beings used to kill the monsters, the personas summoned by said gun are. If a person is naive enough to think that you can do that in real life, you need to either pay more attention to what your 7 year old is playing on a whole or should of gotten help already) You can't just generalize a game by it's rating with a law like this I think. I mean, the majority of the FF series would be hit by this law too.

Even then how would this moronic law applies to things like MMOs or Free to play, whose servers aren't in the aforementioned state? I guess you can force them to apply it, but what company wants to admit to their paying consumers that "we have to charge you cause of where you live."? These kinds of situations usually gets a very pissy response to HR. It's on par to say, trying to throw a law on... the classifications of hamsters. Overall, they're acceptable pets, but then there are the ones that are nippers, biters, gougers, and plain old pissy. So how do we sort out the ones that are ill tempered and are harming our children, or the ones that did it because the kid is trying to see is squishy its insides are.

While this may just be a attempt to appeal to the voters and parents, but it's a poor move.

Also... *Headdesk*

When I hear/see things like this happening in the USA I it gives me yet another reason to be glad I'm Canadian. I personally wouldn't mind paying an extra tax if the money was going towards reserch and treatment of an actual mental illness like bi-polar or simmalar disorders. But I won't throw my money away at some B.S excuse as 'vidio games r bad'. Games are no worse than t.v/movies. I find watching the News more damaging to my mental health. I hope the bill doesn't get passed.

As some others have said, I'm fine with a tax on video games (although a game rated Teen is pushing it) that goes to help those with mental health issues, but it's not going to people who need it! Where has there been any study that has shown a causal link between violence and violent video games (and I'm talking causal link, not just an increase in most subjects) that would warrant such measures? Where has there been any study, anything even attempted, that shows there's a mental health disorder that is clearly, or solely, or even remotely associated with the effects of video game exposure?

Personally, video games help me cope with my own mental health issues, not hinder them. I've also spoken with many others who feel the same way. It's a distraction for crying out loud! And to think that someone, someone elected mind you, thinks that there's a "video game disorder" out there? ...Really? Really?!

I'm trying to be calm about this, seeing as every day there's another anti-video game idea thrown out there, but this one hits me in two spots. If the bill, which will never pass, took the taxes and placed them towards treating mental health in general, I'd be all for it. Otherwise, stay away from my mental health!

Also, as an aside, seeing as video games are protected under the First Amendment in the U.S., the most sacred right Americans (including myself) like to brag about, how can you tax it? You don't tax art exhibits, news media outlets, flyers, posters, or movies. States and some federal laws tax the sale of them but that's because they are a considered a sale. I suppose you could technically tax it under that heading except I'm sure that, if brought to court, it would probably lose. This isn't like taxing gas or cigarettes people (which, of course, doesn't help the environment/cancer respectively).

Slightly OT: You aren't going to find the people who perform the mass murders we want to prevent with laws like these. Nor can we force them to do anything, ie take medications, without a damn good reason. You might call them crazy, psychotic, or some other word but they are smart and have civil liberties on their side (something as strong as freedom or speech). They know exactly what to say to get out of a hospital stay, to get out of medications, to make you believe them. I have family members who work with this type of person everyday and they don't even "catch" the worse ones.

Raise the tax on all forms of violent and sexualized media. Don't just pick on videogames.

Why the fuck are these stupid people in power?

So is she essentially proposing to Tax videogames in order to pay for counselling and anger-management (for issues that -might- be connected with videogames)? Seriously? But why? I just can't see her reasoning behind this. Is there a specific study that has actually spurred her on to 'help' those afflicted by this malign and accursed medium of entertainment? Is she going to propose a similar tax for violent films and literature? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO MEEEEEEEE.

Seriously? Out of all the actual issues that the American government needs to work on, someone instead decides to jump on this stupid "Blame video games" band wagon in an effort to appear to be "doing something"?

Let me get this straight. We *finally* get someone who wants to make a move to do something about mental health, but that person wants to do so by taxing video games rated Teen and up because they cause mental problems?
*headmonitor*

You know, when the right wing charges the media with playing the "Name That Party" game, one might feel inclined to roll their eyes at the claim that the media would go out of their way to label Republicans when they do something stupid but purposefully decline to identify Democrats who do something stupid. Surely The Escapist is above that sort of childish political nonsense.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115623-Oklahoma-Ponders-Violent-Videogame-Tax

Just to test it, googled up "escapistmagazine state representative" looking for a democrat idiot. Quickly find one but lo and behold; in this article we get "Republican Diane Franklin" but there it is suddenly "State Representative William Fourkiller". Nowhere in the entire article does it ID him as the Democrat he is.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115979-Schwarzenegger-and-Yee-Unapologetic-for-Failed-Supreme-Court-Battle

Lets try another. "State Representative Leland Yee" Democrat? Certainly. ID'd in article? Of course not.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121196-U-S-Senator-Seeks-New-Study-of-Violent-Videogames

Lets try again, this time with "Senator". "U.S. Senator Jay Rockefeller". Rockefeller, sure sounds like a Republican but nope, Democrat. Not that the article would tell you one way or the other.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115384-SOPA-Postponed-Indefinitely

Ooh! Here's one ID'd! Oh wait, it's a Republican. Of course. "Republican Representative Lamar Smith" Hey kids, let's play Name That Party for sponsors of SOPA & PIPA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislators_who_support_or_oppose_SOPA/PIPA

SOPA - R15, D16
PIPA - R10, D21

Really Escapist? This sort of poison is to be expected of liberal news hacks the world over but to know it cannot be escaped even here at The Escapist? For shame, Escapist. For shame.

But hey, maybe the editor just doesn't know any better. While we're naming names: Andy Chalk, Greg Tito, Andy Chalk again, Andy Chalk a third time?! Well, well. That's interesting. Surely...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121494-U-S-Vice-President-Games-Are-Not-Being-Singled-Out

God damn it, Andy! Well maybe the vice president is too public a figure to charge under Name That Party. Maybe.

Noted that positive articles had a may or may not thing going when it came to calling out party affiliations, saw no preference one way or the other. The point is not more or less politics on The Escapist but that if you are going to name and label politicians, try, TRY to be a Journalist worthy of the name about it.

I can only assume that there will be similar taxes on movies rated PG and up, and that listening to music with a parental advisory warning will count as a risk factor. Right? Otherwise, this bill would come across as ludicrously hypocritical.

soren7550:
Let me get this straight. We *finally* get someone who wants to make a move to do something about mental health, but that person wants to do so by taxing video games rated Teen and up because they cause mental problems?
*headmonitor*

it's a strategy that involves acting like the rest of the reasonable and truthful people but slipping the lie under the door

i forgot what it's named

either way since it gives an avenue to people who want to be on the moral high ground (NRA, parents and politicians who "don't blame violent video games" but do things like endorse and create violent video game bans, boycotts, exchanges and burnings) between what they think and what sounds like reason, it is politically more popular than the outright first position, but still allows them to get everything they wanted (in this case, the vilification of violent video games as being equated to drugs and liquor by applying similar measures and using them as a social stigma by association, and taking money from them to fund something that actually won't happen but is being used as a moral justification for convenience)

as i've said before, we need a stronger interest group that isn't influenced by money in order to start arguing for equal rights for our form of media, and as long as we aren't actually represented in politics by people with power, we will be subject to being the strawman that can be bartered for goods and favors

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Gearhead mk2:

Nicolaus99:
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There's a reason all the stupid quotes come from Republicans.

Republicans are freaking stupid.

And reading comprehension, like the point, totally missed. Thanks for being part of the problem. Enjoy your PIPA.

Well if this by some work of a random deity actually passes, digital sales will go up and retail sales will go down, simple as that. Why pay even higher prices when you could have the same thing without paying taxes on it?

Nicolaus99:

Gearhead mk2:

Nicolaus99:
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There's a reason all the stupid quotes come from Republicans.

Republicans are freaking stupid.

And reading comprehension, like the point, totally missed. Thanks for being part of the problem. Enjoy your PIPA.

I missed your point? I thought the point you were trying to make is that there seems to be an anti-republican bias on the Escapist's news articles. I was pointing out that yeah, there may be a bias, but even if there is, frankly the party doesn't seem to be trying to hard to dispell it. I know every party has extremists, but the stuff I've seen some of them come out with... I'm not looking to get in a big debate or anything. I'm just giving my 50p.

Thought when I first saw the article title: Bet it's the republicans.
Thought when that suspicion was confirmed: I fucking knew it!

...
Now I just want to walk up to this person & go "Hey, I heard about this Tax on violent video games", then let her respond with something like "Yes, I think its very important to protect the children. I assume, I have your support"
And then... "No, its stupid and you are stupid for thinking it up. So much so in fact, I took a flight from England to come here to tell you just how stupid it is because I wanted to meet the person idiotic enough to think this up for myself, as I didn't think that there could be a human in the world this dumb. Good day, madam" and then I catch a flight back to england, safe in the knowledge there is one less person unaware of their idiocy thanks to me
That just makes me feel warm inside just thinking about it

damn, if i could only print out a diploma in psychology ...

Republicans:
We want big government out of our lives, unless it's in your bedroom.

Zachary Amaranth:

Baresark:
You are assuming I'm assuming, but I am not.

I'm not assuming anything. Don't got putting words in my mouth even as you accuse me of the same sort of negative action. It's poor form.

You have accused me of ignorance, false assumptions, and given vague examples of numerous instances that supposedly support your claim. That's a conspiracy theory, and one "sheeple" away from the perfect storm.

If you wish me to discuss this further, I would be happy. Just give me something tangible to discuss, rather than vague statements with no actual proof and continuous evasion. Not to mention attempting to finger-point at me instead of those.

OK, you want examples:

Education: The government funnels money into school systems that need it. The money is never spent on tangible things that benefit the students directly. A program needs new text books, they get some but not enough to accommodate all their students or they departments are left squabbling over who gets it. I'll use my local state as an example, that is New Jersey. Newark School system spends in the neighborhood of $44k per student but even though that number has almost doubled since 2000, they still don't have new textbooks, more teachers, clean schools, etc. That is one example of how money spent for the improvement of schools for the benefits of students sees no actual improvement for students despite ever increasing cost of schooling.

Road systems: I'll use the State of PA as an example on this one because I would imagine that every single person who knows anything about politics and money are familiar with the debacle that is the Garden State Parkway and it's construction and ever increasing cost. So, the people in the State of Pennsylvania pay ever increasing road taxes. The issue isn't them paying the taxes, but the coffers almost completely emptied by the cities of Philadelphia and Pittsburg. so when the roads need to be repaired in a place like State College, it goes undone because they won't properly allocate funds to the rest of the road systems.

War on Drugs: The Federal government spends billions of dollars per year (it's estimated that since January 1st of this year they have spent $2.324 Billion at the time of this typing) on trying to prohibit the influx of drugs into the US. They not only hire law enforcement that is just for that, but the bulk of the US prison population is from that fruitless war. Yet, there has been no noticeable fall in availability of illegal drugs, and the bulk of their work catches marijuana users and dealers and not so much for the actual bad drugs, such as heroine and cocaine.

There, three examples off the top of my head. I still think it's silly that you would call bad and inefficient spending a conspiracy theory.

Wait... can I get disability for playing violent video games then?

Gearhead mk2:

Nicolaus99:
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There's a reason all the stupid quotes come from Republicans.

Republicans are freaking stupid.

Both sides tend to say really stupid things. That is why party loyalty is a broken concept. People just assume "their" party is always looking out for their interests, which is not the case usually. They are doing whatever gets them the most votes and very loosely follow some sort of party ideas. Listening to individuals is far more valuable that listening to Republicans or Democrats or any of them really.

CardinalPiggles:
They should be treating exposure to real life violence I think. From everything I've heard and seen in game I've never had any serious violent thoughts about other human beings (unless I have a good reason).

Yeah, where's the treatment centers for PTSD and stuff? Also, nice avatar :)

OT: I really hate it when they pretend to care like this. I also hate paying taxes on something that's already $60.

Wait, Missouri?

As in, the Missouri I live in?

Now, I wouldn't put something like this past our Governor. He did gut our states bike race program to pay for our mental health services after a mentally ill guy tried to stab him.

Right I'm guessing this in response to all the school shootings so according to them these shooters all played violent games. Here's the thing all these shooters had access to firearms, how many school shooters don't have access to firearms...wait. so wouldn't it be better to add a tax to owning firearms to pay for mental health care. Some mandatory gun safety classes as well maybe.

Still it's all rather stupid and the best way for them to raise funds for mental health, stop trying to lobby stupid bills and spending taxpayers money on it when you could use said money instead for you know, mental health programs.

Jamous:
So is she essentially proposing to Tax videogames in order to pay for counselling and anger-management (for issues that -might- be connected with videogames)? Seriously? But why? I just can't see her reasoning behind this. Is there a specific study that has actually spurred her on to 'help' those afflicted by this malign and accursed medium of entertainment? Is she going to propose a similar tax for violent films and literature? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO MEEEEEEEE.

- she's a republican, which are addicted to money like its a type of drug
- the frenzy other republicans blaming videogames give her an excuse to tax them, to get money not achieve anything
- she wants more money
- ????
- PROFIT!!

At least I can plead video-game-induced insanity for my crimes now.

Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. This is a serious thing that has serious issues and other serious-

OT:Seriously? Look I just finished playing Manhunt, a very, very violent game and I haven't killed anyone or gone insane. Seriously stop blaming us... In fact, I blame you. Yeah, you. You did this! This is your fault! You blew it up! You actually did it! Damn you! Damn you to hell!

OT,FR: This whole thing is getting ridiculous now...

Mr.K.:
Got to love the American mindset, first conjure up a fictional crisis for political gain then quickly find ways to make a profit on it...
It is quite the laugh, also very sad.

It's not actually a Fictional Crisis. It's a fictional solution to a real problem.

Gearhead mk2:

Nicolaus99:
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There's a reason all the stupid quotes come from Republicans.

Republicans are freaking stupid.

Don't be quick to point at republicans on this one. A prior Democrat VP candidate was the lead opposition to Video Games up until this year.

Republican are just on the Defensive because the NRA is a big part of the Republican base. Biden and Lieberman have been vocal voices against Video Games in the past. It's just currently they want something done more on the Gun Legislation side of things.

They say crazy stuff too
"During this past legislative session, my fellow House Democrats joined me in sponsoring legislation entitled "Rated P for Parents" that would have given parents more control over the video games their children purchase" 2005 Kansas Legislator

If it wasn't for the SCOTUS shooting down the Democrats last round of purging video games they'd probably be gung hoe about banning them all outright.

Can we all accept that there are some idiots in congress who want to score political points who will never get this stuff to really happen? I mean seriously, can we accept that?

I want to threat this U.S. representative for exposure of being stupid.

Or, you know, we could start treating real mental problems, you know, like those that causes people to shoot others.

Don't be quick to point at republicans on this one. A prior Democrat VP candidate was the lead opposition to Video Games up until this year.

there are no democrats in America anymore. In america we have extreme right (republicans) and not that much extreme right (what we call democrats). They are all republicans in disguise.

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