DayZ Creator: "I Am Angry About The War Z"

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DayZ Creator: "I Am Angry About The War Z"

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Dean Hall sounds off on what the debacle has done to his reputation.

In an Ask Me Anything thread on Reddit this week, DayZ creator Dean "Rocket" Hall fleshed out his feelings on The War Z, the remarkably similar zombie survival MMO that was announced shortly after DayZ became a gaming phenomenon. And while it now appears clear that War Z is a hurried attempt at cashing in on the craze, Hall notes that the similarities between the two games - and even the suspiciously parallel titles - have damaged his own reputation.

"I am angry about the War Z. I'm very angry. I'm quite hurt personally because anyone can see how similar the words are, and while the average gamer knows the difference individual people don't," Hall explains. "I've had family members/close friends mistake the difference and confront me about what they believed was unethical behavior they thought I was making."

War Z developer Hammerpoint Interactive has done just about everything in its power to fumble the release of the game, managing to have the title pulled from Steam shortly after its debut. At the time the game was put up for sale on Valve's digital marketplace, it was utterly unfinished, yet advertised all of its missing features as being present. This, of course, lead to a harsh reception from just about everyone willing to take a stance on the matter. The company later apologized, but the damage was already done.

As far as the similarities between the two games, Hammerpoint has remained consistent in its claims that it's all merely a coincidence. Early on, the company insisted that The War Z had been in development since 2011. However, some forum diving on the part of naysayers has unearthed possible evidence that not only was the game heavily influenced by DayZ, but that War Z may have only had a 6-month development window before being pushed out to the masses.

Regardless of which side you're on, the drama between the two franchises is clearly still simmering. Hopefully the eventual release of the standalone DayZ product will be the final chapter in this weird saga of the undead.

Source: Reddit

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The War Z was a hysterical pregnancy and I do believe this is the first confirmed case of game developer sympathetic pregnancy.

The War Z - A game so shitty it's making other games look bad.

MikeWehner:

Regardless of which side you're on, the drama between the two franchises is clearly still simmering. Hopefully the eventual release of the standalone DayZ product will be the final chapter in this weird saga of the undead.

Implying anyone is on the side of The War Z at all. It's a horribly programmed, unfinished, rushed-out misreable pile of code and lawsuits waiting to happpen made by the guys who made Big Rigs who hold such contempt for their playerbase that they're banning random people and treatening to blacklist anyone that even whispers in defiance. It's the videogame version of that-cult-made-by-L-Ron-Hubbard-that-shall-not-be-named. Apart from the omnipresent trolls and idiots, I can't see a single person defending this game. My heart goes out to Dean, and I hope his reputation isn't too blackened by this.

I feel like he's being a little dramatic. He needs to see this as an opportunity to show the world that he's the real deal and expose the wannabes for the pretenders they are. Be a man, stand up tall, and get shit done.

Sylveria:
DayZ - A game so shitty it's making other games look bad.

I think you mean War Z since the article is about how the DayZ creator is angry that his reputation has been tarnished by War Z.

If you did indeed mean Day Z, well... I don't know what to say about that.

OT: I haven't played either game and have no plans to play them either, but I know how it feels to be blamed for something you didn't do and understand why he'd be angry.

Anyone claiming that the War Z has been in development for longer than 6 months should have their head checked.

The games completely unfinished state clearly displays that there is no way in hell the game clearly has NOT been in development for TWO years.

I've said it before and I will say it again

My gut tells me that, at first, he was vaguely annoyed with The War Z ripping him off so hard... then someone he knew mistook their game for his, & that's when he got indignant

He may be right to some degree about bad clones hurting his professional reputation, but I'll bet this is more personal than anything

The gaming community is an All-Stand-Together sort of lot over this kind of controversy. I can see DayZ getting the majority of support now that Hammerpoint Interactive's scam has been blown wide open.

I've seen games ape gameplay mechanics, clone entire games and even try to create franchise knock-offs using suspiciously similar characters, it's just seems to be kind of what happens in this industry. But this one... this just seems all the more dastardly and underhanded for some reason.

Proverbial Jon:
The gaming community is an All-Stand-Together sort of lot over this kind of controversy. I can see DayZ getting the majority of support now that Hammerpoint Interactive's scam has been blown wide open.

I've seen games ape gameplay mechanics, clone entire games and even try to create franchise knock-offs using suspiciously similar characters, it's just seems to be kind of what happens in this industry. But this one... this just seems all the more dastardly and underhanded for some reason.

It's because of the way Hammerpoint went about all this. They have been outright lying about things, and then blame the gamers for "not understand." Like... what? Did the CUSTOMERS write the game description on Steam, stating features that don't even exist yet? No, Hammerpoint did, that's not the community's fault. They're taking a very "us against you" stance on this game, which is not something that most developers would even dream of doing. We're the ones writing your paychecks, Hammerpoint, if you lie to us, it doesn't sit well.

I feel sorry for him, but at the same time, I can't believe his own family didn't even know what his work was called. I mean, it's possible, but that shows how much his family was paying att

CyberAkuma:
Anyone claiming that the War Z has been in development for longer than 6 months should have their head checked.

The games completely unfinished state clearly displays that there is no way in hell the game clearly has NOT been in development for TWO years.

I've said it before and I will say it again

When you say "I will say it again", are you saying this video is you, or are you "saying" as in posting the video?

I don't know if I can add much to the topic. I could see why he's mad, especially since people are accusing him of the War Z's horrible things.

Why do I feel like Hammerpoint tried to use a play from the Zenga handbook.

1. Take a game people like and clone it poorly.
2. ---
3. Profit.

Sylveria:
The War Z - A game so shitty it's making other games look bad.

Yeah, but then let's be honest; all shitty games make other, better games look bad. Someone who's only ever played Final Fantasy games up from #10 will never play another JRPG in their life.

MikeWehner:
Dean Hall sounds off on what the debacle has done to his reputation.

Wow, this HAS done a number on his reputation. As an uninformed gamer, I actually thought that "The War Z" WAS "Day Z" released as a standalone game, and thought poorly of "Day Z" for it.

Oops.

I have a feeling that if Hammerpoint had chosen a name that wasn't so close to what they were ripping off. This guy might be happier. At least then the failed monstrosity couldn't be mistaken for the mod.

Gearhead mk2:
Implying anyone is on the side of The War Z at all.

You have entirely too much faith in people. I have seen plenty of fanboys on both the Steam forums and Youtube comments saying that War Z is a great game and anyone who does't like it either "sucks and should go be to call of dooty" or is a Day Z fanboy.

major_chaos:

Gearhead mk2:
Implying anyone is on the side of The War Z at all.

You have entirely too much faith in people. I have seen plenty of fanboys on both the Steam forums and Youtube comments saying that War Z is a great game and anyone who does't like it either "sucks and should go be to call of dooty" or is a Day Z fanboy.

Oh trust me, I know the gaming community is full of idiots. I saw one guy that said we should turn Sonic into a spunkgargleweewee series. But this... this goes beyond simple stupidity. I just cannot see anyone defending this unironically.

MikeWehner:
The company later apologized, but the damage was already done.

For what it's worth... The apology came after DayZ days of backpedaling, attempts at tricky wording, blaming customers for being confused, and even some flat out lying. By the time Titov apologized, I just couldn't believe he was actually sorry for the company's actions, but rather sorry that screwing over paying customers hadn't worked out in his favor.

P.S. Thanks

i can understand its hard but delaying your game wont do anything good.

he needs to keep on working on his game, fast and show the world that his project is not the same piece of shit that war z is.

or else i fear that the warz z reputation will be cemented into your game.

Covarr:

MikeWehner:
The company later apologized, but the damage was already done.

For what it's worth... The apology came after DayZ days of backpedaling, attempts at tricky wording, blaming customers for being confused, and even some flat out lying. By the time Titov apologized, I just couldn't believe he was actually sorry for the company's actions, but rather sorry that screwing over paying customers hadn't worked out in his favor.

P.S. Thanks

they are always sorry thatwhen they were caught...

Not really bothered about either game anymore since both games suck

rhizhim:
i can understand its hard but delaying your game wont do anything good.

he needs to keep on working on his game, fast and show the world that his project is not the same piece of shit that war z is.

Because rushing development has never backfired.

The world doesn't believe his project is shit, they just know War Z was.

The best time to release a game is when it's good and ready.

Abomination:

rhizhim:
i can understand its hard but delaying your game wont do anything good.

he needs to keep on working on his game, fast and show the world that his project is not the same piece of shit that war z is.

Because rushing development has never backfired.

The world doesn't believe his project is shit, they just know War Z was.

The best time to release a game is when it's good and ready.

my post focuses on his statement that they wont work at all on day z until the shitstorm with war z has settled.

you know:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121227-The-War-Z-Controversy-Depresses-DayZ-Creator

we already had a conversation about it, remember?

I'd be mad to if someone made a game based off one of my favorite franchises and copycatted it but also have a very similar name to it.

Imagine if someone made a game very similar to Minecraft when it first came out but called it Mycraft, only for the copycat to be a terrible and poorly done game. Everyone would of mixed it up with Minecraft and inflicted it's reputation big time. Not saying that would of happened or could of changed everything, but it's a possibility. I'm quite upset that the developers of War Z would even lie to consumers. Why are so many developers falling into corruption these days and treating gamers like they're just sheep with money?

Sam17:
Not really bothered about either game anymore since both games suck

Oh... yes, because that is SO relevant to a case of plagiarism and advertisement fraud.

Poor guy's an upcoming game designer worried about his reputation in a tough industry. I don't care how good DayZ is or isn't (never played it), I'd be frikken upset too!

Has Day Z been released?
If no, while it may suck to have to change it now - the best option is to change the title and thus dissassociate with the negativity that War Z caused.

MikeWehner:

Proverbial Jon:
The gaming community is an All-Stand-Together sort of lot over this kind of controversy. I can see DayZ getting the majority of support now that Hammerpoint Interactive's scam has been blown wide open.

I've seen games ape gameplay mechanics, clone entire games and even try to create franchise knock-offs using suspiciously similar characters, it's just seems to be kind of what happens in this industry. But this one... this just seems all the more dastardly and underhanded for some reason.

It's because of the way Hammerpoint went about all this. They have been outright lying about things, and then blame the gamers for "not understand." Like... what? Did the CUSTOMERS write the game description on Steam, stating features that don't even exist yet? No, Hammerpoint did, that's not the community's fault. They're taking a very "us against you" stance on this game, which is not something that most developers would even dream of doing. We're the ones writing your paychecks, Hammerpoint, if you lie to us, it doesn't sit well.

Has Dean Hall said whether or not he is going to sue those guys?

I mean, with the evidence in the link, he might have a fair chance at winning a libel suit. Because his reputation was hurt by this extraordinary piece of crap.

rhizhim:
my post focuses on his statement that they wont work at all on day z until the shitstorm with war z has settled.

you know:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121227-The-War-Z-Controversy-Depresses-DayZ-Creator

we already had a conversation about it, remember?

Considering how small the development team is and how personally the issue is affecting the lead developer - waiting for it to die down is a great move.

Forcing production of what should be art or an engrossing experience is not the way to generate a quality product.

I want to see this succeed because it's a game type that doesn't exist in any respectable form presently and I have seen enough development problems and stressful work environments ruin what would otherwise be great games.

I usually tell developers to suck it up in these scenarios but this really sucks for him. His reputation is stained for something he didn't even do and many, many people will confuse the two titles. It may well hurt HIS game when he launches.
This other guy came in, tried to cash in on all the work the Day Z developer did and stained his reputation and hurt his game's chances at the same time. The War Z dev should be run out of town.

Looks like The War Z is to gaming market what Asylum studios is to the movie market. short quick cashins with similar title so people would get confused while caring 0 for their reputation or audience. remember transmorfers? yeah, these guys are responsible.

Zen Toombs:

MikeWehner:
Dean Hall sounds off on what the debacle has done to his reputation.

Wow, this HAS done a number on his reputation. As an uninformed gamer, I actually thought that "The War Z" WAS "Day Z" released as a standalone game, and thought poorly of "Day Z" for it.

Oops.

Same here, except I actually do consider myself an informed gamer for the most part (I say for the most part because I simply couldn't care less about zombie related media at this point and conciously avoid even news of it when I can).

I heard they were making a standalone Day Z and then, lo and behold, War Z comes out. I figured it was a little quick after the "standalone Day Z" announcement but given that I knew Day Z was a mod built on an already existing game, I figured the turnaround could/would be quick as well. It was only after release and news started coming out about just how bad War Z was that it was made clear by reading the associated articles that it actually wasn't the Day Z game.

At this point, I'd say that Hall has every right to be upset. Sure, amongst the already in the know fans of the gamem Day Z will be getting the intended support, but amongst those not in that group it's likely that once the Day Z game does come out it will be the one seen as the clone/rip off. Either that, or maybe it will be seen as some sort of sequel. And that's not even considering the fact that the bad taste War Z has left in everyone's mouth will automatically transfer to Day Z at this point given the (mistaken) association.

Caramel Frappe:
I'd be mad to if someone made a game based off one of my favorite franchises and copycatted it but also have a very similar name to it.

Imagine if someone made a game very similar to Minecraft when it first came out but called it Mycraft, only for the copycat to be a terrible and poorly done game. Everyone would of mixed it up with Minecraft and inflicted it's reputation big time. Not saying that would of happened or could of changed everything, but it's a possibility. I'm quite upset that the developers of War Z would even lie to consumers. Why are so many developers falling into corruption these days and treating gamers like they're just sheep with money?

minecraft had the luck to get their product halfway out in the market (and declare it alpha, then beta and then gold)
we have a shitton of minecraft clones:

Guncraft
Minetest-c55
Mythruna
Castlestory
Cubelands
CastleMiner
Wurm Online
Terasology
Ace of Spades
Cube World
Terraria
Blockscape
Blockland
8BitMMO
Manic Digger
Roblox
Detonate
StoneQuest
Lords of Uberdark
Galaxy55
Gnomescroll
Kogama
Minicraft
Brick Force
Kleaveland
3079
Block Story (PC, Mac, Android, iOS)
FortressCraft (Xbox 360)
Total Miner (Xbox 360)
CastleMiner Z (Xbox 360)
Murder Miners (Xbox 360)
Miner4Ever (Xbox 360)
Fortress Wars (Xbox 360)
EDEN (iOS)
Block Earth (iOS)
Deepworld (iOS, Mac)
DroidCraft (Android)
Survivalcraft (Android)
Comcraft (Java/Symbian)

thats why i dont support his idea to just twiddle his thumbs until the war z debacle settled down.

Innegativeion:

Sam17:
Not really bothered about either game anymore since both games suck

Oh... yes, because that is SO relevant to a case of plagiarism and advertisement fraud.

Poor guy's an upcoming game designer worried about his reputation in a tough industry. I don't care how good DayZ is or isn't (never played it), I'd be frikken upset too!

he is not that "new"

After leaving the air force, Hall was employed as a producer at Sidhe Interactive in Wellington, New Zealand and worked on Speed Racer: The Videogame.

He later created DayZ, a zombie survival horror mod for the ArmA 2 tactical shooter game by Bohemia Interactive.

Hall briefly left the industry to return to the army before returning for a contract at Bohemia Interactive on ArmA 3. After the success of the mod, Hall started work at Bohemia as an employee in the position of Project Lead of the standalone version of DayZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Hall_(game_designer)

rhizhim:
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I'm not sure if I would call Terraria a Minecraft clone as the two games had two completely different styles. Terraria was much more invested into exploration and having epic boss fights whereas Minecraft was much more oriented around building cool shit. Not to mention that Terraria was in 2D.

OT: It's a shame that DayZ is getting as much bad rep as it is because of WarZ, and hopefully they'll finish development sooner rather than later.

I really hope this doesn't get the Day Z creator too down, I'm really enjoying Day Z and hoping he'll get the stand alone release ready soon!

lax4life:

rhizhim:
-snip-

I'm not sure if I would call Terraria a Minecraft clone as the two games had two completely different styles. Terraria was much more invested into exploration and having epic boss fights whereas Minecraft was much more oriented around building cool shit. Not to mention that Terraria was in 2D.

OT: It's a shame that DayZ is getting as much bad rep as it is because of WarZ, and hopefully they'll finish development sooner rather than later.

it is a minecraft clone. the only difference is that it focused in the end on exploration and combat.

you still need to gather resources, fight monsters at night and craft shit (buildings and items) in it like in minecraft.

rhizhim:

it is a minecraft clone. the only difference is that it focused in the end on exploration and combat.

you still need to gather resources, fight monsters at night and craft shit (buildings and items) in it like in minecraft.

Lots of games are blatent Minecraft clones, Terraria and Wurm Online aren't them.

Wurm was in development before Minecraft, the fact that Minecraft's creator founded the team behind Wurm but left to create Minecraft is a big indication of this. If you consider Terraria a clone you may as well go the full hog and call Minecraft an InfiniMiner or Wurm Online clone.

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