Sony, actually use that extra RAM for good exclusives before you start bragging about it.

So it's either 'more' or 'faster'. Well that sucks :(
There are few things more unstable than a dodgey Durango.

Oh my god the imaginary ps4 has more flops than the nonexistant xbox 720 that means it must be better because if history told us anything then it is that consoles with higher specs always do better than weaker ones.

By that measurement, my PC is 200% faster than the Xbox.
More RAM memory doesn't make any machine more "powerful".

Ridiculous

Consoles are almost as good as my 2008 rig. Only a few more generations of low quality PC ports.

I'm hoping the rumors that the ps4 will be cheaper than the ps3 are true. I heard one saying it would be around $400. Logically, Sony will be like "remember when we launched the ps3 at $600 and no one bought it? Lets not do that."

I have said this time and again: I will start caring about the next generation after the consoles have been officially announced. All these rumours and speculations are backed by nothing more than 'industry insiders,' which, less face it, aren't particularly dependable sources.

Do I doubt the next-gen is on its way? Not at all.
Is it necessary to engage in wild speculation before we have any concrete facts? It is not.
Let's give Sony and Microsoft time to prep their systems for reveal before we start commenting on specs. Until the veil has been lifted, changes can always be made. Hell, they can be made even after the reveal, so setting anything in store by what some secret source whispers now is just kind of silly.

All this quipple won't really matter for me.

What will matter for me is the rate of failing and overheating consoles of either company.
I know current consoles are much more complex then the old ones.
Still there is no justification why NES and SNES still run and many a gamer had their third current gen console.

You know what isn't a rumor? Sony is patenting a means of eliminating second hand games. So i'm not buying anything from Sony no matter how much "better" it is.

Are we allowed to urge boycotts on this site? If so I am. If not, I kind of suggest that maybe, possibly, not buying a Sony product again could be um... a good idea... Oh and buy anything from CDProjekt, they're completely anti-DRM and they rock. Just sayin.

It the current trend stays the same on the "next gen" it only matters which machine is the slowest,
since games will be developed for that system and then ported to the rest.

Here's to hoping they start doing it the other way around.

Well... Since all Bethesda games are unplayable on PS3, because their engine can't split assets on the PS3's 256+256 Ram/Vram architecture as opposed to the 360's 512 Ram..imagine what will happen when they ACTUALLY have half the memory to work with. /popcorn

TizzytheTormentor:
I wish we had some real info than all these constant rumors...

We will have to see, a new console generation is on the horizon, but we have yet to see what it will do.

Real info would be nice. To me this sounds like the PS3 has blast processing though.

Either way I'ma go buy me a Wii U for now. Maybe if Microsoft release hardware that isn't designed and engineered by idiots with no understanding of cooling and has some exclusives I'll consider their product briefly before being put off by the paid-online and adverts.

Sony will have a RAM deficiency from the rumours so Bethesda games that bleed memory will be shit on Sony hardware as ever. But raw speed can be a beneficial thing...

SkarKrow:
To me this sounds like the PS3 has blast processing though.

I like you.

Carnagath:

SkarKrow:
To me this sounds like the PS3 has blast processing though.

I like you.

Thanks. I was wondering if anybody would get the joke, only the geeks that know what the whole "blast processing" thing meant I guess.

=D

Ah we're going to enter this stage of the console cycle now. It's all a lie people until the console actually gets released =D

I really hope they're similar power to be honest. The games are going to be cross platform anyway and if one is substantially more powerful it'll just be more expensive. If the PS4 has free online and the 360 doesn't, then barring some major problem, I'll go for the PS4. If the PS4 has backwards compatibility, I'll stick with it then too because of all the PS3 games.

If they both charge for online and Sony doesn't have backwards compat. and MS does, I'm not sure which direction I'll go. Most of my faovurite exclusives were Sony ones, but that doesn't really mean much in these days. My sisters are Little Big Planet geniuses though, so that might be a reason to stick with Sony

Nimzabaat:
You know what isn't a rumor? Sony is patenting a means of eliminating second hand games. So i'm not buying anything from Sony no matter how much "better" it is.

Are we allowed to urge boycotts on this site? If so I am. If not, I kind of suggest that maybe, possibly, not buying a Sony product again could be um... a good idea... Oh and buy anything from CDProjekt, they're completely anti-DRM and they rock. Just sayin.

You know Valve already sells this DRM to Pc companies right? You can't resell Empire: Total War for example because Valve lock it to one Steam account only. It's been happening for years.

And they only patented it, they also patented a type of demo that degrades over time years ago which hasn't been used either

I really don't care to be a part of the console wars, but as someone who has spent a great deal of time using supercomputers, I feel a need to point out that flops are an almost universally useless benchmark.

All I got from this was Teraflops.

Can't wait until we see the physical parts of these though, then we know it'll be coming soon.

SonOfMethuselah:
I have said this time and again: I will start caring about the next generation after the consoles have been officially announced. All these rumours and speculations are backed by nothing more than 'industry insiders,' which, less face it, aren't particularly dependable sources.

Do I doubt the next-gen is on its way? Not at all.
Is it necessary to engage in wild speculation before we have any concrete facts? It is not.
Let's give Sony and Microsoft time to prep their systems for reveal before we start commenting on specs. Until the veil has been lifted, changes can always be made. Hell, they can be made even after the reveal, so setting anything in store by what some secret source whispers now is just kind of silly.

Yeah but its fun too

What does it matter if developers will just go for the console that's easier to make games for? 720 will get first dibs Sony ports will look inferior despite the superior hardware and PC gamers will flaunt their superiority even though developers obviously don't care as much for them...

*playstation fan here*
I don't give a squirrels testicle about that. It does not matter how much potential this console !may! have if said potential will be wasted because of Sony's ideas (possible hellish drm for ps4, already existing idiotic desscion about making Vita work only with special sd cards, PS move, list goes on), lack of new interesting exclusives (the last one that actually was new IP and was interesting was Infamous) and, well, price of the console and games for it (it is problem with both PS and Xbox, but still).

Seriously, if Steambox is a real thing and it will have a library of multiplatform games, which are console only (you know, fighting games with full support, JRPG's, some hack'n'slash games, etc.) and it will have a reasonable price, then Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo can screw themselves.

P.S. By game library I meant both new and already existing IP's (Street Fighter, Blazblue, Persona, FF, etc.)

3GB of RAM is horrible, and modern video cards can already get up to 3 teraflops. If this is true it looks like another generation of PC being the master race, but with games stifled by low end consoles. So much for "next gen."

We all know the only console stat that matters is the number of dedicated forum fanboys they can dig up. And at this point it's all either one has!

So... These next gen consoles are still in stone ages compared to my laptop... Talk about comparing it to my gaming rig, from 2010 (Current work computer) or to my current gaming rig from last pre-holiday sales to make space for new "better" stuff for holidays.

This wont give me any hopes about the future of gaming. If the "main" platform is still years behind the current gen hardware.

Proverbial Jon:
Durango? Why does that make me think that the Xbox 720 will be a huge brick-like slab and they gave it this terrible name to promote it's one prominent feature. I mean it's not like they've been lithe little consoles before...

Terraflop? That's... that's a thing?

Microsoft likes to use place names for their code names, I'm sure there's not much to it than that.

Flop is a measure of the number of calculations per second.
To give you a comparison, the current GTX 680 can do over 3 teraflops, and Epic Games have said that MS and Sony should target at least 2 teraflops just to take advantage of only the next version of the Unreal Engine, which is used to make most high end games.

I've already seen the next generation of gaming, and it's called the Oculus Rift.

Consoles are going to play catch-up by releasing their own VR glasses mid-generation, just as they did with the Kinect and the Move.

Wouldn't mind if Sony had been using more RAM..

But they'll both be getting mostly the same games anyway.

It's not going to matter how much power the ps4 has if it gets the same crap support we've seen with the psp, ps3, & the vita.
The ps3 was a really well built machine but it was sandbagged by broken ports and firmware that didn't ever add much (and sometimes even took away from the) features.

BrotherRool:
Ah we're going to enter this stage of the console cycle now. It's all a lie people until the console actually gets released =D

I really hope they're similar power to be honest. The games are going to be cross platform anyway and if one is substantially more powerful it'll just be more expensive. If the PS4 has free online and the 360 doesn't, then barring some major problem, I'll go for the PS4. If the PS4 has backwards compatibility, I'll stick with it then too because of all the PS3 games.

to be completely honest, if there's a significant power difference between systems developers will make the games run on the weaker system because who wants their game to run at 4 fps?
they'll do the usual band-aid approaches of limiting environment details and lowering polygons and ai count
whatever you buy, your games will run decently but they may not be the ultimate platform

skyrim is the perfect example of this, it can only run in it's full fat hd format on a pc because even on low defaults
the consoles both struggle with it, and the porting process to opengl made the downscaleing come off really poorly for the ps3 this time around making some textures muddy or overexposed compared to the xbox
and yet, they're still quite playable... apart from the backwards dragons

the only real exception is where microsoft or sony have exclusives that by their nature aren't comparable anyway
because they aren't the same software
even in the same genre, forza versus Gt for example don't use the same models or general gameplay

and anyway, rumours of performance are one thing however games releases and enjoyment are quite another
only time will tell personally i predict a complete replay of last gen

sony will have a data crunching monster and Microsoft will have a better integrated system and get more from less
really seems to be how the companys think overall

grigjd3:
I really don't care to be a part of the console wars, but as someone who has spent a great deal of time using supercomputers, I feel a need to point out that flops are an almost universally useless benchmark.

For more accuracy, we should really be comparing things with bogoMIPS, the one true measure of computational power.

Rumor: PS4 50% More Powerful Than Xbox 720

If history repeats itself, it'll be twice as expensive and none of the developers will know how to utilize the PS4's firepower for years after its release.