Hammeroj:

Beautiful End:
Also, PC gamers, don't. Just don't. Let's not bring that whole "Oooh! Crappy, baby consoles are still trying to catch up with us! Boo hoo!" argument up. No, let's not turn this into a war. To each their own.

Don't get offended when the hardware you own gets called out as being shit, and there won't be much of a war there. Detach yourself emotionally, mister PS follower.

Um, okay? I just said "To each their own" so I don't know why you're calling me a PS fan boy just because I said I'd probably get a PS4 as opposed to "OMG U GUYS AND UR PC and SEXBOX SUCKZZ!!1!"

I'm not getting offended. I'm not saying consoles are better. I'm not saying PS is the way to go. I'm just saying people need to avoid THIS. Turning this topic into "Surely you're butthurt and jelly!"

Please don't put words in my mouth and refrain from starting exactly what I just advised people to not do. Not the time nor the place.
Also, like I said, I'm not doing this. I'm not letting myself get dragged into a petty argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. So godspeed or whatever.

Hammeroj:
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Mk, cool story, bro. Continuing on...

CrazyCapnMorgan:
Here's a rumor for ya: The PS4 and XBox 720 will have 50% less backwards compatability. And 50% less common sense.

That's actually a pretty good point. Backwards compatibility would be a selling point for me (I still have my fat PS3 and the original Wii) but if the prices for the next PS/MS consoles are too much, I'd probably stick with my current consoles for a while, even if the next gen of consoles plays my current games.

But...on the other hand, I can also see companies foreseeing this and eliminating backwards compatibility altogether.

OR! Releasing the first model with BC, then releasing a better, faster, cheaper, sexier model with no BC.
Either way, we lose.

I'll be buying the PS4 no matter what, as history shows Sony has the best firstparty/exclusive games. Both the PS2 and PS3 blew the Microsoft counterparts out of the water in regards to this. Third party games will be available for both platforms anyway, and the differences will be minimal. Plus, Sony has given us amazing value with the Playstation Plus service, and if they are planning to somehow integrate the cloud gaming platform they recently bought, Playstation is definetely the place to be. Cashing out for a Durango/720 only to play Halo/Gears is really not worth it IMO. It's early still though, things might change yet.

Wow, almost half as powerful as my mid-range computer. Very impressive.
I'm pretty disappointed, honestly. I am a PC gamer primarily, but I also have consoles and have nothing against them. But to have future consoles that are weaker than my computer was before I upgraded it months ago sucks.

Do the math! 64 bits is more than 32 bits!

Rumour: Sheng Long is a playable character in Street Fighter 2.
Rumour: The Panasonic M2 is the most powerful console ever.
Rumour: PC gaming is dead.

File under R for rumour.

I heard some report that the PS4 is using an AMD A8 + HD7670 equiv while XBox720 is using a PowerPC tri-core (cell architecture) + HD6670 equiv.
Both are considered very low-end cards (worth <$100) which is a little disappointing, I don't know how it would be even vaguely possible to make something like Crysis 3 run at decent settings @ 1080p/60 fps. Yes, even with direct-to-hardware console coding.
Mind you, I expect nothing less than 60 fps in EVERY game on next-gen consoles because dipping down to 25-30fps is just stupid.

Master race checking in.
My PC has more flops.

Sorry consoles.

And still, the 7970 GHz edition is half a year old and does 4 teraflops. I know where my money is going.

We just had two generations in a row where the most powerful hardware has not been the most successful. Besides the part all this is all based on rumors, how good a machine is does not determine how good it is as a console; which games it has does...

The Xbox360 was claimed to be capable of 1 teraflop while the PS3 is supposedly capable of 2. While raw power isn't everything, making the new generation less powerful than the one it's supposed to replace would be quite an odd choice.

Games will be made for the lower spec machine and it screws the other over it'll be a mess as always consoles suck bring on afordable gaming pc's for all valve :P

felixader:
What will matter for me is the rate of failing and overheating consoles of either company.
I know current consoles are much more complex then the old ones.
Still there is no justification why NES and SNES still run and many a gamer had their third current gen console.

Incoming anecdote, I was an early adopter of the 360 and picked mine up within days of launch. I gave my brother in law my XBox, the 360 console cooked itself with six months. The old Xbox is still working.

I just wanna know what happened to Crimson Dragon. Is coming out for the 360, or has Microsoft held it back for their next console. I NEED ANSWERS MICRO!

Nalgas D. Lemur:

grigjd3:

Nalgas D. Lemur:

For more accuracy, we should really be comparing things with bogoMIPS, the one true measure of computational power.

I don't know if you were joking or not

I sure hope I was, considering part of the origin of the name is "bogus". Heh. As a developer, I'm familiar with how little things like that actually tell you, and how misleading synthetic benchmarks can be too.

Sorry. I teach classes on occasion and sometimes I just drop into didactic mode.

Well, let's hope this rumour is unfounded, or at least the truth isn't quite as far fetched as this. Of all people, surely Sony should have learnt that more powerful doesn't win you the generation war. Focus on the companies using the platform to make the next generation of titles. Numbers relating to computational power impress minutely compared to a well made release title.

By the way, unless Sony is wanting to double the price of the PS4, there will be no backwards compatibility with PS3. Maybe PS2 and most likely PS1, as the additional hardware chips for those will be so inexpensive, nowadays.

And we'll most likely see a similar situation in Microsoft's camp.

The move to x86 architecture on both sides (according to the latest "intel") is interesting, too, I wonder if this was done to give developers a break when looking at ports. Using one assembly language for 3 major pieces of hardware would be a boon.

GunsmithKitten:

LordMonty:
Games will be made for the lower spec machine and it screws the other over it'll be a mess as always consoles suck bring on afordable gaming pc's for all valve :P

FINALLY a PC gamer that advocates this. This brings a smile to my face, and yes, if Valve really does bring a better, user friendly gaming PC for the same or lesser cost, I'll welcome it with open arms.

Isn't that what the Steambox is? Or whatever it is called?

GunsmithKitten:

Ishal:

GunsmithKitten:

FINALLY a PC gamer that advocates this. This brings a smile to my face, and yes, if Valve really does bring a better, user friendly gaming PC for the same or lesser cost, I'll welcome it with open arms.

Isn't that what the Steambox is? Or whatever it is called?

I know next to nothing, right now, about the Steambox, but I like the buzz about it. If it truly is a self contained gaming PC and not just some accessory for people who already have a high powered PC, I'm going to be all over it.

That's the thing; I want out of the console scene. I really do. But between the high start up costs and this baffling "master race" mentality, it's making what should have been an easy jump a hesitant one.

Oh yeah I'd be all over it as well. Why do you want out of the console scene?

As for the PC master race, its mostly just a smug sarcastic term (did it really originate from yahtzee?) to further segregate themselves from everyone else. Hell, I think its kinda funny.. I love calling my friends who aren't PC gamers "peasants" or "surfs", we all share a laugh. I do however feel sorry for the bunch that actually believe they are superior for building a gaming PC.. its not hard by any means.. and CERTAINLY not as hard as they make it out to be.

I won't say how you can easily build a PC since you said you didn't want to hear that. I'll just say that if you budget it and take the time it pays off. Build it..and it will keep for years with you only having to upgrade things as you need/want.

Or... just buy the steambox if it is what we hope it is lol

PhiMed:

Frankly I'm starting to believe Yahtzee's view on the futility of console wars. A single unified architecture, with competition in the form of UI, value-added extras, platform-unique exclusives, etc is what's best for the consumer, not multiple devices that split the community and allow no crossing over.

We already have that. It's called a PC.

Consoles are able to do as well as they are because games and tools can be heavily optimized toward the specific hardware. You'd see a pretty massive performance decrease if games had to run on "Next gen consoles" instead of having an Xbox and a PS3 version.

It's something sounds simple in theory, but doesn't pan out when you actually start delving into the technology.

hypothetically if this was true, I'd be inclined to believe that Sony still hasn't learned anything from the PS3

And none of that extra power will be worth a DAMN if it exists.

Why? Because most games are multiplatform. Meaning the devs will in no way make the Ps4 version better than the nextbox version because that would require more work. They will cater to the lowest (reasonable) common denominator.

FACT.

Beyond having enough RAM to run the game on max with nicer textures, the amount of RAM has no effect whatsoever.
The FREQUENCY at which the RAM operates combined with the frequency of the processor = amount of data you can theoretically push at once.
If that combined number is high enough it gives enough headroom for a good graphics card to do it's job properly.
You DO have a good one, don't you?? You owe it to yourself as a seasoned PC gamer. Seriously.
Basically, it doesn't matter as long as you have a reasonable amount of RAM, but it does help if you tend to have lots of resource-intensive programs open at once(like, when would you do that on a console anyway?) or you're running a goddamn server.
Lack of RAM in a PC means the HDD gets abused by the page file, signalled by a massive performance hit(ever waited 5 mins for something to load on a netbook? I've had so many people bring them to me for fixing only to find they have failing hard drives! In under a year, mind you! The things have 1GB of RAM in them & come shipped with Windows 7 - which uses over that amount just to run. Just WHY? The mind boggles :-0
You may have noticed that on RAM-crippled current-gen consoles, the games have to be designed to have more frequent loading areas. This saddens me.

Long live the PC gaming master race!

That is all.

Blablahb:
Despite that they apparently are going to incorporate draconic DRM measures that will have you entering a highly illegal construction where you just rent the game, and any number of circumstances can destroy it?

Because if your console fails, has parts replaced and you play it, then the anti-used games DRM kicks in and reduces your entire games collection to a useless pile of plastic. I mean, that's like buying a house while a loonie with a disturbing grin and a box of matches is posted permanently outside it.

To me it seems the factor of which developer has the worst anti-customer policies should play a large part in the decision what one wants to buy.

All they really did was patent a system. I highly doubt they'll actually go through with it. If they do i'm betting they'll do it when Microsoft does. When that day comes we'll all be getting WiiU's.

Actually i'm sort of hoping Sony and Microsoft go through with it. I can only afford one console and i want to catch up with the Monster Hunter series.

All I have to say to this is meh.

I'm going to go play some Freelancer now.

J Tyran:

felixader:
What will matter for me is the rate of failing and overheating consoles of either company.
I know current consoles are much more complex then the old ones.
Still there is no justification why NES and SNES still run and many a gamer had their third current gen console.

Incoming anecdote, I was an early adopter of the 360 and picked mine up within days of launch. I gave my brother in law my XBox, the 360 console cooked itself with six months. The old Xbox is still working.

Not surprising. The old Xbox was bulletproof. I'm not even joking. How Microsoft managed to make a nuclear bunker of a console with the old Xbox, then make the 360 out of spit and tissue paper is beyond me. And yes, my old Xbox is still working as well. I still use it to this day to play some Ninja Gaiden.

Wont games be programmed to the lowest common denominator anyway?

I'll care about the new consoles when they're
A - Out
B - Have a few good games that I actually want to play

I won't be an early adopter.

As a former Xbox gamer all I can say is............good. My PC was getting hungry, I must feed it something.

All jokes aside, I just hope they're affordable for people. I mean the point of a console to me was to be a system that most people could afford to buy that allowed them to play most games that came to the market with reasonable capabilities. Not everyone can afford to drop 1.5k on a gaming rig. As for the dick swinging between the two, the sun shines, grass grows, Xbox and Sony fans argue over which is better.