Your White House Petition is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

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Shinsei-J:

Sylveria:
A petition was made to get the owner of the Dallas Cowboys removed because of the poor performance of the team.

I know gamers are a self-loathing bunch, but we do not have the monopoly on stupid stuff like this.

And let us not forget that after the election, 13 states filed petitions to leave the Union. Again, gamers do not have monopoly on stupid.

Huh, you make a fair point and I'll give you that but my main point (which did not translate to text well) was that it just adds fuel to the fire of demonising games. I don't want stuff like this to scew someones opinion of our general populous when something bad inevitably gets blamed on games again.

If someone thinks the behavior of less people than most people have fingers and toes is representative enough of "the gamer" demographic to change their opinion of us to negative, they already had a negative opinion and they were looking for ANYTHING to justify it.

Personally, I think they should have framed the game as some sort of assault on the morals of America and that it was somehow harming our children. Might get some Fox new attention and earn the game some heat from parents groups and such.

And later we find out it was written by a Ninja Theory employee as a publicity stunt, or just for trolling.

In any case if he seriously wanted to call bad attention to the game, there are ways a person could phrase it to get the attention of all sorts of groups. In that case honesty is probably not the best way to go about it.

I don't like the game, not because of the redesign or the new story, but because he can't go five minutes without saying "fuck". I don't usually have a problem with such words, but they have a time and a place to be used, not as punctuation at the end of every sentence. I just won't be buying the game. If other people enjoy it, all the more power to them.

Gordon Freemonty:
I don't get the hate for DmC. Its getting 4/4.5 reviews.

I hate the gamer community sometimes.

(Except you lovely escapist folks, pls dont kill me pls pls)

It got a 9/10 from Jimothy Sterling even!

I fucking loved DmC, anybody who's actually played the game should realise it's the Dante we know and love in a new skin, the story is also a hell of a lot more coherent than it ever has been. My only gripe was the complete lack of manual lock-on, which I managed fine without until the very last few stages of the game and the difficulties above Nephilim, where prioritising targets and switching between them was a much bigger issue.

Edit: Really. I loved it. On par with DMC3. It's in my top ten games of all time now, if they make a sequel (they will if it sells, it sets up well for a re-interpretation of 3 in my opinion) and add a manual lock on and maybe a couple of extra weapons I'll lap it up.

Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that - it is not like yo HAVE to buy the damn game, I thought you were land of the fucking free!!! Then use your freedom and do not buy the damn thing!

For almost 2-3 centuries you been shedding blood left and right for your freedom, both in good and bad. And this is how you think is a proper way to respect that freedom? DEMAND your government to step in and babysit YOU!

Let's be honest it's not a petition to change anything, just that you get to get response directly from the white house which is neat by itself. Either way I think this shitty attitude towards this comes from people not taking their own politics seriously. I hate it when people use the excuse (incorrectly) that all politicians are corrupt douchebags as a reason to not carefully consider your own political beliefs and the logical extremes they cause. For example anyone that supports labeling West Boro Baptist Church a hate group when they CLEARLY aren't in the same category as the KKK is someone that hasn't fully explored the issue and is blindly further sacrificing free speech to the government because "speech I strongly disagree with is roughly the same thing right?". We need to start holding ourselves accountable for the people we elect and stop treating elections exactly like the god damn super bowl. Politics doesn't have the same stakes as football so blindly cheering for Democrats or republicans like you do for the Giants or Packers is just dumbass bullshit.

Sylveria:

Akexi:
Well at least the petition has been pulled now. Seriously though, it is sickening that people are actually doing this.

Yep, a dozen people supported a dumb petition. Be sickened. Shun all of humanity. Life is not worth living as long as these people roam free.

Meanwhile, there's at least 10x as many people in the world engaging in pedophilic activities as I write this, but an ill-conceived petition about an average hack-and-slash game is what sickens you.

Ok, attitude, not necessary. I'm just making a statement on what I feel on the subject, not here saying this is worse thing in existence as you're assuming.

Honestly the whole petition is bull and while I really dislike and hate the new game I'm not going to buy it but feel disappointed that I've been left in the dust for what's "new and hip".

Also come on people the new Dante has the foulest of mouths which is totally what we want the COD kids getting their hands on now don't we?.

Also remember the Deadspace ad for moms and then the Dante's inferno fiasco?.

And now the new Dante "fuck you" parts?.

Still the industry is taking a few steps back in terms of being grown up just as long as we can actually see that happening.

Obama may cry...

But yeah, retarded suggestions from people who know nothing about anything are going to sprout when it's open petition night. Nothing that can be done about that.

As for the game, some criticisms seem overblown. Dante was a smartass before, and now he's a smartass anno 2013. It probably suck if you played the series for the plot or the difficulty though.

If there was a ten hour loop of Dante and Succubus shouting 'Fuck you!' at one another I would love to spam this R.J.'s email with it.

Ok. Stupid petition. Fine.

Why pull it ahead of time though? I mean, did the Whitehouse do it? If so, doesn't that raise some concerns about what petitions they actually allow people to vote for? Was there some danger of it getting the 100,000 signatures? If not.. why not let it just sit there and attest to the stupidity of the author and those who signed?

Then again, maybe the author pulled it after getting a well deserved lambasting for being a moron.

@Sylveria I will say that I apologize if it sounds like I'm condemning those who had any complaints about the game. What I mean to say is people have every right to be upset about how the new DMC has turned out, there are legitimate complaints to be had. As much as I enjoy the game play I can understand why it wouldn't be a good idea to recommend it to everyone. The thing is though if you really don't like something, don't buy it, return it for a refund, or maybe write a letter to the developer or publisher.

I know letter writing may sound redundant to most people but you'd be surprised how much it can make an impact at times. The bottom line being there's a right way and a wrong way to show that you disapprove of a game and doing childish things like asking the government to pull it off shelves is the WRONG way of going about it. If you have a complaint that's fine, just make sure your complaint is in the right direction to those who are responsible NOT the friggen government!

Are... you... fucking... kidding me?
And this is why people elected Obama, because they think he'll just give them whatever they want if they whine about it enough and loud enough.
Side note: I'm venting and won't rise to any baiting posts so don't waste your time.

SkarKrow:

Gordon Freemonty:
I don't get the hate for DmC. Its getting 4/4.5 reviews.

I hate the gamer community sometimes.

(Except you lovely escapist folks, pls dont kill me pls pls)

It got a 9/10 from Jimothy Sterling even!

I fucking loved DmC, anybody who's actually played the game should realise it's the Dante we know and love in a new skin, the story is also a hell of a lot more coherent than it ever has been. My only gripe was the complete lack of manual lock-on, which I managed fine without until the very last few stages of the game and the difficulties above Nephilim, where prioritising targets and switching between them was a much bigger issue.

Edit: Really. I loved it. On par with DMC3. It's in my top ten games of all time now, if they make a sequel (they will if it sells, it sets up well for a re-interpretation of 3 in my opinion) and add a manual lock on and maybe a couple of extra weapons I'll lap it up.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, I don't own the game. I played the Demo of it. I did however watch the games cutscenes to get an idea of the story. Gameplay wise, the game is ok, though the need to kill enimies with specific weapons seems to be redundan.

Story wise, "coherent" doesn't equal good. Dante was always a bit of a punk, this new Dante however is a Douche. The old Dante was a demon hunter, ate pizza, road motor cycles, rocked out on demonic weapons, impromptu stage theatrical, shrugging of sword impalement, gigantic demon flurting, nut job.New Dante, crude, willing to follow orders and be duped from a plot twist most people saw the first minute they saw Virgel. This new Dante is just an ass, and not in the fun way too. He spouts fuck and shit more often then a sailor with turrets, he seems to have no goals for himself beyond what his brother convinces him to do.

The plot too takes itself way too seriously. The previous installments, while maybe not as "choheren" were still entertaining. Simplistic even. This pushes it's politcal agenda so hard down our throats. And it's really ham fisted too " Conservatives and corperations are evil, the only way to be free is to rebel" because that message hadn't been attemted in media before, and people often mistake anarchy for liberation, with no regards to the casualties on either side. Yes, the demons are bad, an the media is brain washing you. The sky is blue, and this game's story is trying too hard, with poor writing. I can point out the obvious too.

will still not deny the gameplay is still fun. But I personally wouldn't buy it. People think it's only gameplay that makes it worth buying. It's a good part, but I like an interesting story to go with it. I even think the writing for the Metal Gear Solid games is more tolerable then this garbage, and those games are primarily cutscenes. If I bought this game, and had to trudge through this story, I would have been insulted and felt my money wasted.

I perfer old Dante, not because I'm nostaltic, not because I'm a weeaboo, he represented when the game didn't take itself seriously, when it was about a man, kicking demon ass, and didn't need an agenda outside of "demon asses need kicking, and I've got the only boot"

I'm not certain this is a problem with gamers as much as it is a problem with "We the People" petition system. It would seem there is no moderator or reviewer. The fact that "We should totally build a deathstar" got so many online signatures that it required a response is a perfect example of how the people who made the online petition system had virtually no understanding of the scope and size of the internet.

As an American, I am more disgusted by the fact that this trend of writing letters to the President like he's fucking Santa Claus is becoming more and more common. I can't believe how retarded we've become in such a short amount of time that we've begun to treat the presidency as an elected monarchy.

I'm pretty sure that petition had no more than a few dozen signatures (even after getting posted around enough places to garner the attention of gaming media) and whoever wrote it had their tongue firmly entrenched in their cheek.

This just isn't fucking news.

Refreshing to see this was pulled from the website! Honestly, trends like this and the Mass Effect 3 one is making me want to distance myself from the gaming community at large.

Argh, I need a GIF of that bit in family guy where Stewie's sitting next to that girl and saying "Are you serious"... Is she serious?"

what an idiot.

if you want something to go away just ignore it. that's what I'm doing :D no need to get the incompetent government in on it when they can't even agree on a way to fix the budget.

dragongit:
SNIP

The abortion thing didn't really bother me too much, what bothered me more was that Virgil used a gun to do it, that's very un-Virgil, DMC3 Virgil would have just run her through and cut the soldiers to ribbons. Or how the demon faeatus is murdered by a single 5.56 round but not by the previous boss fight where you spend a good few minutes stabbing the hell out of it, I found it all relatively inoffensive, and I kind of saw Virgil's dickery coming. It's hardly, as I saw somebody here describe it, a "360 noscope abortion". I can see how the scene could be upsetting and even offensive. Personally it didn't bother me, had the baby been carried by a human woman and not the crazy demon bitch, and I hadn't had to fight the demon baby, then I may have been put off by it.

I'd rather Virgil had been handled in a more badass way, but he's been well setup as a villain for a follow up.

I kind of like how it's more serious than it used to be, and I enjoyed the story, I'm not saying there are parts I disliked, but mostly I enjoyed it. And the demo is not a great representative of the writing or story as a whole, especially not the boss battle included, I would advise you to play the game through before judging it.

As for using specific weapon types for specific enemies, it works fairly well and the enemy waves play well to it, requiring you to switch about and manage different kinds of enemy on the fly with quick reflexes and thinking, though it would be easier if it had manual lock-on.

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your concerns, but I do advise playing it through before writing it off. It's more mature and the story is more well developed and well thought out than previous entries. But it is a reboot, had they taken such liberties without it being a reboot, then I'd have had a lot more problems. If I judge it with other entries in the series in mind it loses out, but it's a good reboot in a series that, as I recall, was criticized horribly for it's 4th entry, mostly by the people who now hate it for actually evolving.

I'm gonna go in the record and say: I prefer new Dante, he's cool and funny and... What? I prefer the new game to the original which I thought was just okay... Anybody? Really, no one can agree? I'm not welcome here anymore am I? I'll see myself out...

SkarKrow:

dragongit:
SNIP

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your concerns, but I do advise playing it through before writing it off. It's more mature and the story is more well developed and well thought out than previous entries. But it is a reboot, had they taken such liberties without it being a reboot, then I'd have had a lot more problems. If I judge it with other entries in the series in mind it loses out, but it's a good reboot in a series that, as I recall, was criticized horribly for it's 4th entry, mostly by the people who now hate it for actually evolving.

It didn't evolve. No where close. This is the worst combat in the series by a scary margin. It would be superb by the standards of Heavenly Sword, but for a DMC game, the combat is horrific. This doesn't even count the forced weapon switching which is bad at the best of times and downright forced at the worst.

They have the game setup at my local GameStop for people to try. I waited (on Normal) for the time it took for the closest enemy to strike me, without me doing anything. It took EIGHT FUCKING SECONDS. NO JOKE. In that time, you would be dead on Normal in any of the others. Three of those were spent telegraphing the attack. I understand wanting to dumb it down for the masses, but that is purely insulting. Also:

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If you can't tell me what is wrong with that image, I think we're done.

SkarKrow:

dragongit:
SNIP

The abortion thing didn't really bother me too much, what bothered me more was that Virgil used a gun to do it, that's very un-Virgil, DMC3 Virgil would have just run her through and cut the soldiers to ribbons. Or how the demon faeatus is murdered by a single 5.56 round but not by the previous boss fight where you spend a good few minutes stabbing the hell out of it, I found it all relatively inoffensive, and I kind of saw Virgil's dickery coming. It's hardly, as I saw somebody here describe it, a "360 noscope abortion". I can see how the scene could be upsetting and even offensive. Personally it didn't bother me, had the baby been carried by a human woman and not the crazy demon bitch, and I hadn't had to fight the demon baby, then I may have been put off by it.

I'd rather Virgil had been handled in a more badass way, but he's been well setup as a villain for a follow up.

I kind of like how it's more serious than it used to be, and I enjoyed the story, I'm not saying there are parts I disliked, but mostly I enjoyed it. And the demo is not a great representative of the writing or story as a whole, especially not the boss battle included, I would advise you to play the game through before judging it.

As for using specific weapon types for specific enemies, it works fairly well and the enemy waves play well to it, requiring you to switch about and manage different kinds of enemy on the fly with quick reflexes and thinking, though it would be easier if it had manual lock-on.

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your concerns, but I do advise playing it through before writing it off. It's more mature and the story is more well developed and well thought out than previous entries. But it is a reboot, had they taken such liberties without it being a reboot, then I'd have had a lot more problems. If I judge it with other entries in the series in mind it loses out, but it's a good reboot in a series that, as I recall, was criticized horribly for it's 4th entry, mostly by the people who now hate it for actually evolving.

Meh, if it comes down to proving myself wrong, and saving 60 bucks, I'll keep the cash for a game I'm more interested about. I've tried the demo, watched the full story online, and this is my relative conclusion. I've even made a pass not to buy Dishonored,when I would really like to. Just due to the fact my income sucks. Maybe if DMC drops down to 20 bucks or less in the next few years, I could pick it up. Until then I'll let it slide.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

SkarKrow:

dragongit:
SNIP

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your concerns, but I do advise playing it through before writing it off. It's more mature and the story is more well developed and well thought out than previous entries. But it is a reboot, had they taken such liberties without it being a reboot, then I'd have had a lot more problems. If I judge it with other entries in the series in mind it loses out, but it's a good reboot in a series that, as I recall, was criticized horribly for it's 4th entry, mostly by the people who now hate it for actually evolving.

It didn't evolve. No where close. This is the worst combat in the series by a scary margin. It would be superb by the standards of Heavenly Sword, but for a DMC game, the combat is horrific. This doesn't even count the forced weapon switching which is bad at the best of times and downright forced at the worst.

They have the game setup at my local GameStop for people to try. I waited (on Normal) for the time it took for the closest enemy to strike me, without me doing anything. It took EIGHT FUCKING SECONDS. NO JOKE. In that time, you would be dead on Normal in any of the others. Three of those were spent telegraphing the attack. I understand wanting to dumb it down for the masses, but that is purely insulting. Also:

image

If you can't tell me what is wrong with that image, I think we're done.

I may not know how the dmc games work but to go from a f to triple sss in a single kill isn't how it supose to work right?

Jeez, talk about a waste of time. I don't get the need for a reboot, so I'm not gonna buy it. They'll make a petition for anything, as the "Build a Death star petition demonstrates. At least the rejection for that one was funny.
What's the status of the Judge Dredd petition?

NameIsRobertPaulson:

SkarKrow:

dragongit:
SNIP

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your concerns, but I do advise playing it through before writing it off. It's more mature and the story is more well developed and well thought out than previous entries. But it is a reboot, had they taken such liberties without it being a reboot, then I'd have had a lot more problems. If I judge it with other entries in the series in mind it loses out, but it's a good reboot in a series that, as I recall, was criticized horribly for it's 4th entry, mostly by the people who now hate it for actually evolving.

It didn't evolve. No where close. This is the worst combat in the series by a scary margin. It would be superb by the standards of Heavenly Sword, but for a DMC game, the combat is horrific. This doesn't even count the forced weapon switching which is bad at the best of times and downright forced at the worst.

They have the game setup at my local GameStop for people to try. I waited (on Normal) for the time it took for the closest enemy to strike me, without me doing anything. It took EIGHT FUCKING SECONDS. NO JOKE. In that time, you would be dead on Normal in any of the others. Three of those were spent telegraphing the attack. I understand wanting to dumb it down for the masses, but that is purely insulting. Also:

image

If you can't tell me what is wrong with that image, I think we're done.

Caps and swearing is not a classy way to get your point across good sir. Did I say the game was adaquetly challenging? No. It's pathetically easy until Son of Sparda and even then it comes nowhere near the relentless difficulty of a european copy of DMC3 on the same difficulty.

I played the entirety of the new game on the highest setting it would allow on my first run and I had no trouble, that said, playing DMC3 through the first time on normal I died ONCE. The series has never been crushingly hard unless you made it so, the higher difficulties in the new game do offer a good challenge, but as ever you need to unlock them.

As for the weapon switching, I quite like how enemies have different weakness that you need to abuse to defeat themm, it's hardly a chore to switch your weapons: you hold a trigger your hand is already on anyway.

I will concede that gaining a triple S style rating on anything below dante must die is a pitifully easy task for any series veteran.

However you are right, we have nothing further to discuss, I enjoyed the game thoroughly, if you did not, or have chosen to play the game for 5 minutes in your local gamestop and hate it as a result, then that's up to you.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
SNIP

As for the worst combat in the series, you must be willfully ignoring the mash-fest that is DMC2.

dragongit:
SNIP

Fair enough, if your income sucks you should definately be choosey with your game purchases. In that case wait til the price drops or rent it sometime. I'm currently rolling in money and free time, so I've got the time to clear out a back list of games.

It's not for everyone, but I enjoyed the game as it was, I do prefer DMC3, but the new one is an excellent game in it's own right.

At any rate, I'm through with this thread, discussing this series has always been a fruitless endeavor.

This is one of those things where you can't quite tell if the writer is trolling or being serious.

Gordon Freemonty:
I don't get the hate for DmC. Its getting 4/4.5 reviews.

I hate the gamer community sometimes.

(Except you lovely escapist folks, pls dont kill me pls pls)

My dislike for the game (only played the demo I will freely admit) I chalk up to the 'warrior within' effect. the new Dante doesn't feel right to me compared to the cheesy, silly and charming dante. The boss fight where a demon spewed f-bombs and misogynistic slurs about dante's mother... just felt wrong to me.it was like being charmed by the cheerful, endearing Prince of The Sands Of Time, then finding the snarling, angry, sweary Warrior Within Prince, with the lovely Farah being replaced with one-dimensional angry fetish gear wearers, and the eastern music and architecture being replaced by generic METAAAAAAL!!!! and grey stone castles.

Admittedly, my reaction wasn't as strong as with Warrior Within, but the aforementioned boss fight was just the wrong tone for me, and I lost interest in the game. I don't have any hate for it though, and the ones who are going mental over this do make me want to head-desk.

Blunderboy:
Really America? This is what you do with your hard won freedom?

You do know that not all Americans are the same right? Every country has their idiots.

Really? I didnt think It could get any worse than the whole ME3 fiasco... really? you're just going to waste your time the presidents time on a single game that you dont like? This is a "First World Problems" situation if I ever saw one. I mean its just so stupid that pple wuld ven do stuf leik..... calm thoughts.... im heading over to youtube.... need cat videos.... hmmmm.... cats....

How is this news..?

Anyone can make a petition online. "Hay gyz, imma gonna mak a petittion to ban kunsoul gamerz. Seyah in da noos."

Blunderboy:
Really America? This is what you do with your hard won freedom?

No, Only a couple idiots.

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