NASA Signs on For ESA Dark Energy Hunt

NASA Signs on For ESA Dark Energy Hunt

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ESA's Euclid telescope will occupy a fixed orbit opposite earth from the sun - Lagrange point L2.

NASA has announced that it will be formalizing its partnership with the European Space Agency (ESA) on the Euclid mission, launching a space telescope designed to investigate dark matter and dark energy. Euclid telescope will launch in 2020 and be active for six years, mapping the locations of the more than 2 billion galaxies that populate the universe. In studying where galaxies are, including how they're shaped, the scientists hope to understand what effect dark matter and dark energy have had on the universe. Alvaro Giménez, ESA's Director of Science and Robotic Exploration, said "ESA's Euclid mission is designed to probe one of the most fundamental questions in modern cosmology, and we welcome NASA's contribution to this important endeavor, the most recent in a long history of cooperation in a space science between our two agencies."

Dark matter makes up about 85% of the universe, but very little is understood about it. The rest of the universe is matter, what people, stars, and planets are made of. Dark matter is called dark because it does not interact with light, and while it was first postulated in 1932, it has never been directly detected. The only known way it interacts with regular matter is through gravity, acting as a binder that attaches galaxies to each other. Dark energy, meanwhile, seems to be pushing the universe apart, and dominates the mass to energy ratio of the universe. Less is known about dark energy than dark matter. A NASA official called dark matter and energy "one of the greatest science mysteries of our time."

NASA's primary contribution will be state-of-the-art infrared detectors, one of the two scientific instruments planned for the Euclid. NASA has also contributed the time and efforts of 54 scientists to the Euclid Consortium, an international body of over 1,000 scientists who will analyze the data and manage the operations of the satellites.

Source: NASA
Image: ESA

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the USA and Europe teaming up....for Science?
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Remember when NASA could do stuff on it's own?

Edit: Yeah on second thought, GO TEAMWORK!

DVS BSTrD:
Remember when NASA could do stuff on it's own?

What, like land a 1 tonne robotic lab on mars?

I kid, I kid, but seriously, isn't scientific co-operation a good thing? Are you really wishing to go back to the days when scientific advancement was used as a dick measuring contest with the Russians?

DVS BSTrD:
Remember when NASA could do stuff on it's own?

remember when you played a game and the game became supertitschocolateexplosionawesomesauce when a certain sidekick/2nd player showed up?

thats what's happening right now, so there is no need to be all nostalgic, sad and whinny....
plus they got a lot of help from "the other" people

Well... getting to the L2 point will not exactly be easy... Trying to station something at the point where the gravity from the earth and the sun precicely cancel each other out is EXTREMELY difficult and maintaining that position will require frequent corrections... I hope the ion engine on the telescope has enough propellant to last for it's mission... (Ion engines need SOMETHING to ionize in order to function!)

Bobic:
What, like land a 1 tonne robotic lab on mars

rhizhim:
remember when you played a game and the game became supertitschocolateexplosionawesomesauce when a certain sidekick/2nd player showed up?

thats what's happening right now, so there is no need to be all nostalgic, sad and whinny....
plus they got a lot of help from "the other" people

Well I can understand a german not being big on Nostalgia...
It's just kinda frustrating considering how damn low space exploration is on the list of priorities overhere. Not that I think working together is bad, but NASA should be able to build it's very own telescope damnit.

DVS BSTrD:
Well I can understand a german not being big on Nostalgia...

It's just kinda frustrating considering how damn low space exploration is on the list of priorities overhere. Not that I think working together is bad, but NASA should be able to build it's very own telescope damnit.

first of all,
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ouch.

second, the usa never gave a fuck about space.
they just did it to piss on the commies (it was a huge pissing contest)
and they only would care if it gave them a huge advantage against the new "axis of evil and so on" in a combat situation.

yes, it is sad that the US goverment does this to a company that gave them 50% of all the new materials and tech they currently use to destroy other people.

50% because they brought a lot of tech from other countries.(for example the A.I. systems in those fancy guiding missiles were developed in "co-operation" with Joseph Weizenbaum. there is a nice documetry about him and artificial intelligence named plug & pray)

and they mostly live of out H-1B "Genius" visas since they also dont really bother to invest money in the education system....

but you should see this as an oportunity.

a co-operation might be a fresh wind that might help NASA, of course with a little help from their potential friends ESA, to get back on its feet and get new investors or find a way to further maintain itself or at least research more effective.

and a thousand minds are bigger than just a few hundreds.

so just rejoice and stop being so damn negative and overly patriotic.

rhizhim:

DVS BSTrD:
Well I can understand a german not being big on Nostalgia...

It's just kinda frustrating considering how damn low space exploration is on the list of priorities overhere. Not that I think working together is bad, but NASA should be able to build it's very own telescope damnit.

first of all,
image
ouch.

second, the usa never gave a fuck about space.
they just did it to piss on the commies (it was a huge pissing contest)
and they only would care if it gave them a huge advantage against the new "axis of evil and so on" in a combat situation.

yes, it is sad that the US goverment does this to a company that gave them 50% of all the new materials and tech they currently use to destroy other people.

50% because they brought a lot of tech from other countries.(for example the A.I. systems in those fancy guiding missiles were developed in "co-operation" with Joseph Weizenbaum. there is a nice documetry about him and artificial intelligence named plug & pray)

and they mostly live of out H-1B "Genius" visas since they also dont really bother to invest money in the education system....

but you should see this as an oportunity.

a co-operation might be a fresh wind that might help NASA, of course with a little help from their potential friends ESA, to get back on its feet and get new investors or find a way to further maintain itself or at least research more effective.

and a thousand minds are bigger than just a few hundreds.

so just rejoice and stop being so damn negative and overly patriotic.

Well we both know where the space race really originated from.
Thanks for Von braun by the way

And it's precisely the lack of patriotism that's the problem. If we had some REAL pride we'd be taking space exploration (and education) seriously. But these days all patriotism means is using "freedom" as an excuse not to give a shit about other people. I WANT to fell patriotic (actual patriotism) about this, but I doubt anybody is going to remember NASA exists until Iran or N. Korea puts a satellite in orbit or China puts a man on the moon.

doggie015:
Well... getting to the L2 point will not exactly be easy... Trying to station something at the point where the gravity from the earth and the sun precicely cancel each other out is EXTREMELY difficult and maintaining that position will require frequent corrections... I hope the ion engine on the telescope has enough propellant to last for it's mission... (Ion engines need SOMETHING to ionize in order to function!)

but dont they have hydrogen to ionize?

the universe is pretty damn packed with hydrogen

the elemental matter of the Universe is still about three quarters hydrogen, which is primarily in the form of clouds of gas and stars.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/971113i.html

DVS BSTrD:
Remember when NASA could do stuff on it's own?

Yes because NASA developed their rockets with no help from outside - What's that? American rockets (including the Saturn V) were designed by Wernher von Braun from Germany.

Ok so at the start they relied on the V2 designer to get off the ground, but they did the moon program by themselves right? - Well no, a lot of countries from the west helped, especially with radio telescopes to allow NASA to keep in contact and track their spacecraft, notible example being the parkers telescope in Australia playing a pivitol role in the success in saving Apollo 13. Not to mention how it was needed for relaying the video of Apollo 11 apon its landing on the moon. Even today NASA relies on other nations in this way.

not to mention the ISS and how often astronaughts flew with NASA from other nations, or NASA using Russian rockets to supply the ISS.

Sorry but I couldn't resist, I'll show myself out.....

DVS BSTrD:

Well we both know where the space race really originated from.
Thanks for Von braun by the way

And it's precisely the lack of patriotism that's the problem. If we had some REAL pride we'd be taking space exploration (and education) seriously. But these days all patriotism means is using "freedom" as an excuse not to give a shit about other people. I WANT to fell patriotic (actual patriotism) about this, but I doubt anybody is going to remember NASA exists until Iran or N. Korea puts a satellite in orbit or China puts a man on the moon.

i have some mildly bad news for you:

North Korea satellite 'tumbling in space'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20769324

Iran: Small Satellite Launched Into Orbit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/iran-small-satellite-launched_n_1253270.html

China announces plans for 2013 Moon landing
http://www.gizmag.com/change-3/23527/

and yeah, the education system are a mess in the us. but the education system around the world is getting stale also (except maybe those damn sexy norwegians and swedish people! damn you sexy norwegian and swedish people!)

but patriotism meant "not giving a shit about others, other than your country" from the first time it opened its eyes to the world. yes, it had the "we want to be better than those guys" so they had to work for it..
but still, its time that we get a bit "patriotic" on our homeworld and humankind rather than a country.

and this seems like a little step to it...

so go earth federation thingydingdongwhateveryou'dcallit...! :D

feelings are strong, addicting and manipulative.. dont do naturally produced drugs in your body

yeah...
it is kind of depressing...

Dark Energon was a stupid idea for the Transformers game, and "Dark energy" going to be just as stupid and idea for this new NASA game...

Wait... what?

Edit:

In all seriousness though... Concepts like Dark Energy and Dark matter makes me want to punch some people. "We have no proof that these things exist other than the fact that the formulas we use to explain things don't match up with the answers we find. THERE MUST BE SOME INVISIBLE FORCE! There's no way our formulas could POSSIBLY be wrong..."

Formalizing their partnership? Isn't that still illegal in most of the US?

DVS BSTrD:
Remember when NASA could do stuff on it's own?

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Pepperidge Farm remembers.

rhizhim:

remember when you played a game and the game became supertitschocolateexplosionawesomesauce when a certain sidekick/2nd player showed up?

Nope. because no such game exists.

So ESA has caught up with NASA and NASA is afraid its going to leave them in the real so they finally accept to work together. yeah.... maybe its good, maybe its not, but i trust ESA way more than NASA.

I'd just like to make a minor correction - dark matter does not make up 85% of the universe, it makes up 85% of the matter. The universe also contains dark energy, about three times as much dark energy as dark matter.

Strazdas:

rhizhim:

remember when you played a game and the game became supertitschocolateexplosionawesomesauce when a certain sidekick/2nd player showed up?

Nope. because no such game exists.

yes, it does. either you are a crankypants or you are too young to have played such supertitschocolateexplosionawesomesauce games. (for example River City Ransom, TMNT: The Arcade Game and so on)

but i am sure you might have come across one

It looks like its held together with duct tape.

 

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