U.S. Senator Says Videogames Are Worse Than Guns

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He's right you know.

This dude was trying to kill me, and I threw a copy of Modern Warfare at him and it bounced right off his head. Not to be dissuaded I tried a copy of Mass Effect. No dice. I even chucked the Dawn of War anthology at him, and that's a big box. He did at least say "ouch", I think I hit him in the nose with the corner. Finally I gave up and pulled out my trusty 12 bore and shot him. Went down straight away. I know it's only anecdotal evidence but from this I'm certain video games are worse than guns at killing people.

andy_h007:

Volan:

TecnoMonkey:
I think getting shot in the face affects people more than playing video games.

As horrible as it is, I had a good laugh at this. I can imagine someone saying this with a deadpan expression.

So, while the amount of people playing games is somewhere in the high millions, can we expect a good million cases of mass killings, Mister Republican? Meanwhile, how about you actually answer the question you were given, rather than changing the subject to something, I can assure you, is completely unrelated. But then, we disagree on a lot of things, don't we?

Agreed, but politicians get elected because they can side step the real issues and shift the public's focus to something much less important. :)

Sometimes I despise being an American. I love the idea of America but lately the rulers of this country have been turning it into a royal f.cking mess. We could be so much better.

^ point
ANd when was the last time anyone talked about the War(S) over seas? OR the economy? Nah they saw a shooting an one moron said something about games. Now they are all on that shit like fat kids on cake. They see it gets press and start screaming about how the constitution is "Limiting" them.......... LIMITING? That is your FUCKING job! TO PROTECT AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION! YOU DRAFT LEGISLATURE TO HELP GUIDE THE USA IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION!! IF IT IS LIMITING YOU THEN YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB WRONG!!

I seriously think no one over 50 should be allowed in office. Too many of these idiots go senile.

I kind of miss the days when they blamed everything on rock music.

Needless to say, would you really expect anything less from a prominent member of the NRA? He could get shot in gut by a gun he helped sell to a paranoid schizophrenic and he would blame it on illegal immigrants or something.

bigfatcarp93:

revjay:
In related news, a man walked into a crowded mall and really annoyed the shit out of like ten people when he started whipping video game discs at them. One man was heard to say, 'Dude hit me in the side of the head, I dropped my frappucino!" Lawyers were on hand to comfort the abused crowd and reports say the litigation will total in the billions of dollars when all is said and done.

Oh wow... am I fucked up for laughing at that?

A lot of good coffee was ruined that day so yeah it's pretty bad you found pleasure in that. :P

Videogames: Now worse than guns, cocaine, communism, and Hitler!

Andy Chalk:
U.S. Senator Says Videogames Are Worse Than Guns

U.S. Senator Lamar Alexander claims that videogames pose a greater threat to American society than guns.

If you ever wondered why so many high-level discussions about gun violence in the U.S. seem to end up talking about videogames, here's a brief snippet of insight courtesy of MSNBC. When asked by The Daily Rundown host Chuck Todd about support for a bill requiring universal background checks on gun buyers, Senator Alexander made a remarkable and completely unrelated statement about the dangers of games.

"I think videogames [sic] is a bigger problem than guns, because videogames affect people," he said. "But the First Amendment limits what we can do about videogames and the Second Amendment to the Constitution limits what we can do about guns."

There's really not much more to say; the man's words speak for themselves. He clearly has an agenda that he's determined to push, but the implication that guns don't affect people, or that an entertainment medium is somehow more dangerous than unfettered access to semi-automatic rifles, is beyond outrageous. It's not necessarily surprising, however; as Polygon points out, Credo Action lists Alexander as one of the National Rifle Association's "A team" of senators that offers "unqualified support" to the NRA.

Source: Daily Kos

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He's got a point. There are studies showing that media violence desensitizes you to real violence, and while I don't think that means it makes people more violent themselves, at least they have studies supporting the assertion that violent media is bad.

On the other hand, the vast majority of studies done into guns and gun control show that higher rates of gun ownership are, if anything, safer for a populace, and that gun control laws don't effect crime rates. Science says, violent media is more dangerous than gun ownership. Just saying.

Volan:

TecnoMonkey:
I think getting shot in the face affects people more than playing video games.

As horrible as it is, I had a good laugh at this. I can imagine someone saying this with a deadpan expression.

So, while the amount of people playing games is somewhere in the high millions, can we expect a good million cases of mass killings, Mister Republican? Meanwhile, how about you actually answer the question you were given, rather than changing the subject to something, I can assure you, is completely unrelated. But then, we disagree on a lot of things, don't we?

There are just as many gun owners in the US as gamers. If you want to apply that logic to games you also have to apply to gun owners. In fact, there are probably more gun owners than people who play M rated games.

CriticalMiss:
Which part of the US Constitution protects Freedom of Stupidity? There must be one because I'm not sure how someone this dumb could rise to the position of a Senator. Oh, he's a Republican.

Well, nothing in the Constitution. On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence mentions an inalienable right to "pursuit of happiness", and as we all know, ignorance is bliss. Thus, transitively, the Declaration of Independence states that we have a right to pursue ignorance.

Spartan231490:
On the other hand, the vast majority of studies done into guns and gun control show that higher rates of gun ownership are, if anything, safer for a populace, and that gun control laws don't effect crime rates. Science says, violent media is more dangerous than gun ownership. Just saying.

Might I ask for a source on that? I can only speak from personal knowledge (which may be a bit spotty, I admit), but a lot of other nations that have heightened gun control haven't had the sort of killing sprees that have happened recently in the U.S.A. My home, Australia, hasn't had any (again, my memory might be a little patchy) since the Port Arthur tragedy that brought gun control into public light (incidentally, for those looking for more info on the Port Arthur massacre, link to Wikipedia here. It's not the best, but it's late and there's more you can find through the references on Wikipedia, I'm sure).

EDIT: Forgot about the attacks in Oslo. Not sure whether to count them or not, since the first was a car bomb and the second was performed with a pistol, which is legal (if requiring licensing) in most countries. I'll go with yes on this one, simply due to the high casualties caused by Breivik.

OT: Y'know, all this talk of gun control in the U.S. is kinda wearing a little thin. I'd like to hear from some people who:
A) Live in the States, and
B) Own a firearm

What sort of regulatory action does the government/police require of you to ensure safe ownership of said weapon? Do you have to keep it locked up, do you have to keep it secret, what? I assume you just can't have a 9mm sitting on a kitchen table somewhere with a bullet in the chamber, right?

...right? I mean, all this talk about no gun control is just... incomprehensible is probably the best word. I cannot concieve that there is absolutely no regulation on this sort of thing. So I want to hear from actual gun owners - what do you have to do to not break any laws regarding keeping X firearm in your house? What's the actual, feet on the ground truth for those of us who don't live in the States?

It's a distraction tactic, these guys get paid by the gun industry (not that much honestly) to go "hey look over there!" he knows video games aren't the problem. He knows that, but if he goes out and says it well he won't get more money from the gun industry #1 and #2 he risks a guy who is even more right of him running against him in the next election and running his comments in some misleading and generally dishonest TV ad.

"Senator X wants to steal all your guns and give your kids porn, watch now as he admits it!" etc.

Ranorak:
He's right though, those edges of the discs, they can kill a man!
Not to mention the lethal side effects of the plastic wrapper.

At least be creative. Lock you in a room and melt the plastic case. The toxic fumes will do you in.

Ok, American Escapists, I have a question for you that I've been wondering about since George W Bush got in office: Why do you keep on letting people that would lose an IQ test to a candy bracelet and a shovel get into your goverment?

the doom cannon:

I love being a republican on this website. I get to see all the funny generalizations that Obama-nazis make about republicans. ( see what I did there? Generalizations are great!). I registered republican because 1) I like guns. Lots of guns. Big guns. 2) because I can vote in primaries and have a miniscule chance of keeping a blubbering idiot out of the elections (not all of us are homophobic, xenophobic, believe the world was created 6000 years ago, or stupid).

1 and 2 seem largely at odds with one another.

Lovely Mixture:
Videogames: Now worse than guns, cocaine, communism, and Hitler!

As it should be, honestly.

Gearhead mk2:
Ok, American Escapists, I have a question for you that I've been wondering about since George W Bush got in office: Why do you keep on letting people that would lose an IQ test to a candy bracelet and a shovel get into your goverment?

Well, for one thing, we hate politics. For another, we hate intellectuals.

I'm not sure what else to tell you, but those should be enough.

You can get idiots in office because it's one of the inherent drawbacks of a democracy. Why it keeps on happening I can only ascribe to laziness, apathy, and general lack of awareness on the part of the American people. It's hard to worry about the bigger social and ethical questions of life when you have to work two jobs just to make the ends meet. Introspection is the luxury of the leisure class. The only time this permeates down to the working classes is when tragedy strikes and it becomes a glut of media exposure. At that point popular opinion is a reflection of the media they draw their information from. For good or for ill, this is largely forgotten by election time and people will fall back into predictable patterns when they vote. They will vote how they have always voted, how their parents have voted, the opposite of what their parents voted, whatever satisfies their religious, economic, or social ideas, along "party" lines regardless of the issue, or out of sheer spite. That is assuming they vote at all.

Kroxile:

Jadak:

Kroxile:
Everytime I see a story like this I think: Thank god that in 30 years crap like this will cease to be spewed from the mouths of our leaders.

Huh? So stupidity is set to be eradicated by 2043? How's that again?

Not stupidity neccessarily, but all the old right wing nutjobs will be long dead by then and more of today's youth/people will be in their positions instead.

While it may indeed get better, it might not. I think you'll be surprised by how many of today's youth turn out just as nutty. Don't forget, the last generation wasn't the first to do stupid shit, and they're likely not going to be the last

Gearhead mk2:
Ok, American Escapists, I have a question for you that I've been wondering about since George W Bush got in office: Why do you keep on letting people that would lose an IQ test to a candy bracelet and a shovel get into your goverment?

Part of the problem is a lack of non-crazy candidates to vote for. The only way I know to prevent crazy people from getting into office is to vote for non-crazy people and I do so when I can, but there are still crazy people getting into government. I don't know how to stop it.
=(

Unless it has been posted already this is my response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&list=FLsTRfvLPwKMQ28IBvKdlIWA

Crap! NRA and republicans are getting a bad rap for sticking up for guns. Diversionary tactics!! Diversionary tactics!!

Pacman taught me to pop pills, listen to repetitive electronic music and run away from ghosts. So this man has my vote, if I were allowed to vote in the USA.

Whenever I see this nonsense I can only think of The Young Turks and how Cenk destroys these idiots on a daily basis.

You want to see some hypocrisy from these pro-gun nutjobs taken apart?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHlkhUfPIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu6iq9-XFjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrgjaYQeiA

Fuck Republicans. Fuck the NRA. Fuck ignorant old bastards who don't understand a damn thing about the world around them.

Edit: Cenk actually covered this story specifically ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFPWzLSHt0g

tmande2nd:
Ugh.

I literally want to scream.

What he says: "I hate games"
What he means: "I hate what is topical so as to deflect people from looking at mah guns!"

A game never killed someone.
Any time a person COMPLAINS about the 1st amendment limiting what they can do its scary. They are probably going to do something like the Hays Code for games if they can.

Please let my own Country NOT DO THAT. God I may claim Canadian leaders are nuts but NOT that nuts.

"We must avoid do anything practical!"
I wonder if the Founding Fathers weep when they see what their nation has become.

Completely off topic question,but how are Canadian politicians crazy?

More on topic,maybe the good senator here needs to think less about his property and more about how WOEFULLY he misrepresents his constituents. This is coming from someone who lives in Toronto.

the doom cannon:

I love being a republican on this website. I get to see all the funny generalizations that Obama-nazis make about republicans. ( see what I did there? Generalizations are great!). I registered republican because 1) I like guns. Lots of guns. Big guns. 2) because I can vote in primaries and have a miniscule chance of keeping a blubbering idiot out of the elections (not all of us are homophobic, xenophobic, believe the world was created 6000 years ago, or stupid).

Good to know I am not alone. I am also registered republican for your Reason #2, however, my reason #1 is diffrent, namely:

1) I want to get a carrer in politics (namely, as a stratagist), and it is hard to get ahead in Kansas without being Republican.

Of course, while I am registered republican and will normally vote there, I am moderate who moves all over the place in my views. Should be interesting to see how I am accepted.

Andy Shandy:
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I may be ever so slightly biased here, but this may be one of the stupidest things I've heard. The single dumbest thing I've ever heard. Alongside,'Cancelling Megaman Legends 3 and Universe is a GREAT idea!"(Yes,I AM a little bitter,what of it?)

DVS BSTrD:
Okay let's try an experiment: Who would you be more likely to hand over your money to?
Someone pointing a videogame at you, or someone pointing a gun at you?

A game. Duh.

That depends. Was I planning on purchasing the game at the time? =P

And to think I thought the DmC peitition was stupid....

AbsoluteVirtue18:
I kind of miss the days when they blamed everything on rock music

Being a metalhead musician and a gaming nerd must mean I'm the worst kind of person.

Because no one feels empowered on a situation when hey have magnum on their hands. Yeah guns give no psychological edge over anything. They are just on as equal ground during a fight than someone with fists and harsh language.
To quote DOTA2 Sniper here:
"HA!.. You brought a knife to a gun fight! Loser!"

Seriously is there some kind of a test of stupid and blind agenda before you are allowed to get in to politics in USA?

If I wasn't so busy playing Borderlands 2 right now I would shoot him in the face.

I'm 100% sure that video games have saved more people than they've killed. Because they've never killed anyone!
(Except maybe somebody who played World of Warcraft for like 347 hours in a row and died of dehydration)

How do we end up electing people who are so FUCKING stupid? How!?!?! HOW!?!?!?!?!
Really how did he make it out of high school with absolutely no powers of deductive reasoning or common sense?

Forget guns, forget video games, forget abortion and gay marriage. We as a nation need to invest more money in education so no one that stupid ever gets elected Senator again.

It's just sad. Not Hilarious. Yes it sounds hilarious, and by rights would be hilarious if it was on Saturday Night Live. But it's not! That really happened in the real world. Where people aren't supposed to be comically exaggerated stereotypes of themselves.

That's literally impossible for a stand up comedian to make fun of, because the dumbest possible combination and intention of words was used by the very person they'd be making fun of! Don't you see how tragic that is? When there's not a way to make something that extreme funnier that's tragic. We as a people should be ashamed that that man didn't choke on the marbles when he was 6. Natural selection has failed. That guy is Really an actual Senator, someone who is too dumb to be rightfully alive is a Senator. We've lost.

It's...It's depressing.

Don't have kids. If you voted for this guy don't have kids, Because you're obviously mentally compromised and shouldn't have your influence or gene pool influencing the next generation.
If you thought this was funny don't have kids, Because you're unfit to prepare the next generation to tell the difference between the tragedy of reality and entertainment value of comedy.
If you realize how tragic this really is don't have kids, because the first two groups aren't going to listen to me and they're going to have kids anyway.

See, this is the problem I have with western politics of today: every politican appears to be more or less a glorified lobbyist (spelling?), who doesn't really care about coming with long time solutions to complicated problems. Instead they try to shift the blame to everything but their own thing.

D-Soul:
A form of entertainment is worst than an object designed on harming and/or killing something according to a U.S. Senator?

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And WHY do we elect these kinds of people to office?

This....is the dumbest thing I've heard in very long time. I mean, it is rather humbling that a guy of his age, in a time like this, be SO out of touch with reality that he downright refuses to admit that maybe he was wrong, and that we should do a little more through background check before we give teenagers assault rifles. The guy taht made SOPA wants to insult the Gaming culture,huh? Wow.He's either really gutsy,or really stupid. My vote is the latter.

Gearhead mk2:
Ok, American Escapists, I have a question for you that I've been wondering about since George W Bush got in office: Why do you keep on letting people that would lose an IQ test to a candy bracelet and a shovel get into your goverment?

I don't know. I apologize for them, however. I'm trying to get them out as soon as I can.

Are...are video games still being blamed? As in, in a serious, non reaction in response to a tragedy way?

...And they wonder why those of a younger generation are waiting for all of the old, prejudiced, corrupt politicians to die out and progress can be made. Hell, this isn't even a Democrat/Republican thing, I don't fucking care about either, but the more bullshit like this happens, the more I'm hoping the next guy like this just happens to have some kind of accident so we might be able to have someone...rational and reasonable in office, at some point in the next century.

Didn't I see this topic before (Re: politician wants to ban video games to shift blame from guns)?

I swear this is the second topic like this in about a month.

Kroxile:

Jadak:

Kroxile:
Everytime I see a story like this I think: Thank god that in 30 years crap like this will cease to be spewed from the mouths of our leaders.

Huh? So stupidity is set to be eradicated by 2043? How's that again?

Not stupidity neccessarily, but all the old right wing nutjobs will be long dead by then and more of today's youth/people will be in their positions instead.

That's fantasy. It's exactly what the hippies of the 1960s thought, before they grew up and got more greedy and corrupt. There's an old saying about how power corrupts. If anything, society has been on a rightward trajectory, with a resurgence of fundamentalist religion and right wing politics like nothing we saw in the 90s. There are new right-wing (and left-wing, for that matter) nutjobs being born every day. There's no shortage of supply.

When you're young, you have lots of energy, you're generally healthy. You spend a lot of time in school thinking about ideas. Money isn't a big issue, you can survive on very little. As you get older, you have more bills to pay. You might have a boring job that takes most of your energy away. You develop medical conditions, and pay more bills. Maybe have a family to support. You find that your idealism takes a battering from the practical realities of life. That's how it is for most people - just living a modest life and paying the bills is enough. But for the people who are wealthy and connected enough to get into positions of power, the game's completely different. For them, "just getting by" is having millions in the bank and having the power to make or break people.

You don't get into positions of power, whether political or corporate, without sacrificing some ideals. And people will always crave power and money. How many of us would turn down billions of dollars and a CEO position at a tech company, even if it meant us tolerating child labor abuses or environmental destruction in return for profit? How many of our ideals could survive when it comes to the actual practical issues of running a country with a vast military and huge economy? The military-industrial complex does not change course easily, and even if you are the President, you have to make compromises to feed the machine.

Basically, every generation of youth says "things will be better when we young people are running things." The problem is that every generation of young people turns into old people just like the last one. Not that there's anything wrong with being old... lots of good things come with age and experience, like knowing that we've seen all of this happen before.

EDIT:

Sorry to make this even longer, but just to illustrate something - the old guys blaming video games here didn't grow up with video games, and don't understand the nuances of them. It's an alien thing to them. Just like previously:

Those who blamed electronic music for social ills didn't grow up with electronic music.
Those who blamed Dungeons & Dragons for Satan Worship didn't grow up with Dungeons and Dragons.
Those who blamed Heavy Metal for Satan worship didn't grow up with Heavy Metal music.
Those who blamed TV for moral decay didn't grow up with TV.
Those who blamed Rock'n'Roll for loose morals didn't grow up with Rock'n'Roll music.
Those who blamed Jazz music for social ills didn't grow up with Jazz music.

So now, we have people who grew up with video gaming. It is inevitable that something will come along that will make the video gamers uncomfortable and frightened about what the youth are doing "these days." Perhaps they will be turning themselves into cyborgs? Having their brains removed and put into jars directly connected to "cyberspace"?

The thing is, we don;t really know what the youth of tomorrow are going to be doing. It's probably going to be something we can't even imagine - just like the youth of yesteryear could never have imagined what video games are today. What is rebellious and youthful today is mainstream and conservative tomorrow, and there are always young people looking to shock and outrage their elders.

Well then, don't vote for this guy next election guys and gals from that state.

Aardvaarkman:

Kroxile:

Jadak:

Huh? So stupidity is set to be eradicated by 2043? How's that again?

Not stupidity neccessarily, but all the old right wing nutjobs will be long dead by then and more of today's youth/people will be in their positions instead.

That's fantasy. It's exactly what the hippies of the 1960s thought, before they grew up and got more greedy and corrupt. There's an old saying about how power corrupts. If anything, society has been on a rightward trajectory, with a resurgence of fundamentalist religion and right wing politics like nothing we saw in the 90s. There are new right-wing (and left-wing, for that matter) nutjobs being born every day. There's no shortage of supply.

You don't get into positions of power, whether political or corporate, without sacrificing some ideals. And people will always crave power and money. How many of us would turn down billions of dollars and a CEO position at a tech company, even if it meant us tolerating child labor abuses or environmental destruction in return for profit? How many of our ideals could survive when it comes to the actual practical issues of running a country with a vast military and huge economy? The military-industrial complex does not change course easily, and even if you are the President, you have to make compromises to feed the machine.

Basically, every generation of youth says "things will be better when we young people are running things." The problem is that every generation of young people turns into old people just like the last one. Not that there's anything wrong with being old... lots of good things come with age and experience, like knowing that we've seen all of this happen before.

Overall levels of violence and proportion of military spending to GDP has been constantly falling since the JFK days. Things are getting better, people just need to make it look like they are doing something so they can keep their jobs.

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