Star Citizen Dev: Consoles Will Lose Advantage to PCs

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Star Citizen Dev: Consoles Will Lose Advantage to PCs

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Veteran developer Chris Roberts predicts next-gen consoles will lose their price and power advantage over PCs.

Chris Roberts, the mind behind the Wing Commander series of space sims, as well as the upcoming Star Citizen, predicts that Sony and Microsoft's new consoles will no longer enjoy the price and power advantage they have had over PCs in the past. Roberts cited the rapidly falling costs of PC components and the openness of the PC platform as he responded to claims that the impending next-gen consoles would curb the enthusiasm people currently have for Kickstarter projects like Star Citizen.

"I don't think the console manufacturers are going to have the same advantage, before they were willing to lose millions of dollars on the hardware and making it up on the backend and Sony can't afford to do that and I don't think Microsoft is going to support it that much either."

Roberts also talked about the PC's recent shift to the living room, spearheaded by initiatives such as Valve's Big Picture Mode. He says that people can now build a high-end PC for a reasonable price, that is more powerful than even the most optimistic hopes for Sony and Microsoft's new machines.

Despite his fiery criticisms, Roberts hasn't completely ruled out the possibility of bringing Star Citizen to consoles. He said he would consider it if they became much more open platforms, particularly in regards to the the update-cycle bureaucratic red tape that PSN and Xbox Live are known for.

These comments seem to mirror those of Valve boss Gabe Newell, who earlier this week trivialized Sony and Microsoft as rivals to its upcoming Steam Box. He claimed instead that Apple will be the linux-based platform's biggest threat.

Source: Now Gamer

Image: IMDB

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Wait, when did consoles EVER have the 'Power' advantage over PC? They had Price and thats about it..

Steam's Big Picture thing isn't spearheading anything, people have been connecting their laptop/PC's to televisions with HDMI cables for years and nothing has changed.

FelixG:
Wait, when did consoles EVER have the 'Power' advantage over PC? They had Price and thats about it..

I think it's more like a power:cost ratio that he's referring to. As you continue to spend more money to build a more powerful rig, the power curve tends to depreciate a bit after the ~$1500 mark.

He might be right, I think he has a point but the only thing that will tell is the next console generation itself. Do we even know what kind of hardware the next generation will boast? WiiU already waddled out the door at a walking pace so it's up to MS, Sony and anyone else wanting to enter the race to pick up the slack.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy my PC to its fullest until there's an exclusive I absolutely can't pass up.

FelixG:
Wait, when did consoles EVER have the 'Power' advantage over PC? They had Price and thats about it..

He's talking standardized power; by which he means that all console hardware is the same. It was worded quite unusually here. (Ninja'd by VanQQish, dammit!

OT- Welcome to Earth. The grass is green. The sky is blue. And PCs have more advantages over consoles. Thanks for repeating something that was known since the beginning of time, Mr. Roberts.

FelixG:
Wait, when did consoles EVER have the 'Power' advantage over PC? They had Price and thats about it..

I think he may have meant power per unit currency spent. In which case, they usually have had an advantage.

OT: Well if Micrsoft and Sony continue down the route of huge patches, continuous firmware updates, persuing power and nothing else interesting they will eventually fall behind PC's as consumers shift to the platform that's most convenient, making consoles into, as Jim STerling put it, "shit PC's" will inevitably lead to people questioning.

Nintendo are doing something different and offering a product with unique features, puttig themselves in a unique position as a content provider with a unique platform, Sony and Microsoft should really consider doing the same or cultivating new markets for themselves by weaning the more casual crowd into more complicated games or more traditionally challenging genres.

The PlayStation Network and Xbox Live may also want to look at the Miiverse as a social hub for gaming for the next systems, that thing is a real joy to interact with.

Edit: I say this as a user of a low-end gaming PC (i'm poor and unemployed), a PS3 and a Wii U as my mainstays. I think branching out beyond power will become increasingly important as time goes on, and history has told us that as far as consoles go, the most powerful rarely wins. Gameboy, DS, PS1, PS2, all were dominant in their generations and all were weaker than the competition.

FelixG:
Wait, when did consoles EVER have the 'Power' advantage over PC? They had Price and thats about it..

My thoughts exactly :/

I guess he possibly meant power relative to their cost? Which is now negligible given the affordability of modern PC hardware.

Well duh. This guy is retarded. Consoles take a year or two in development and thus are out of date when they are released. Now PC's, and we are talking about those that you built and can update whenever, will always be more powerful if you have the money to spend in upgrading.

But what consoles have over PCs are that you know the games you buy will play at the highest your console can show 100% of the time. With PC's, most games are aimed at the middle PC crowd and those games that are aimed at the high end pcs are not that much different at all. I played Crysis 2 on 360 and it sucked, better graphics will not make that game suck less. An thats the problem, many PC people see graphics as the only measuring stick when its in fact the least of your issues.

Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

DVS BSTrD:
Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

Only if you've got the cash, connections, and technical know how.

Console sale have already been staggering lately. Same with console game sales unless you're game is Call of Duty. No one wants to pay $60 for console games anymore.

Same could be said in the smartphone vs. handheld comparison. Phone games are getting bigger and better. They're cheaper than the $40-$50 bucks a game costs on handhelds. And the features that the handhelds are gaining are just better on phones without costing $160-$250 for the hardware.

GunsmithKitten:

DVS BSTrD:
Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

Only if you've got the cash, connections, and technical know how.

Just like any sauce!

Not everyone knows how to make their own, or follow a recipe and not fuck it up. Plus, they require about as much knowledge! (Hyperbole, but still)

SonOfVoorhees:
An thats the problem, many PC people see graphics as the only measuring stick when its in fact the least of your issues.

True, graphics are not the only measuring stick. Thing is, PCs beat console in every single category of measuring stick except in two, where it could be argued in either platform's favor: convenience and game availablilty. If you love JRPGs, platformers or fighting games, PC really is a poor choice. Both platforms have their exclusives, and both have certain titles that work out better on one platform or the other. Consoles have the advantage of unified and automatic firmware updates, but that isn't directly related to gaming itself(except of course when a game won't work until you upgrade drivers).

But more direct issues? Mid-level PCs win every time. Better processing for AI. More RAM to minimize loading(since RAM is dirt cheap right now). More compatible peripherals to customize your gaming experience. Better sound processing. No lockdown of digital purchase methods. Upgradability. Mods, mods, mods. The list goes on. The only reason, really, to own a console instead of, or in addition to a gaming PC is the obvious: there are games you want to play on it that you can't get elsewhere(and granted, this is a very powerful reason). I own a PS3 for that very reason, though I have far less games this generation than I did for the previous two.

I can put my xbox controller into my PC. Hey i got a console! and its playing music, posting to facebook, burning a movie, and more, all at the same time!

GunsmithKitten:

DVS BSTrD:
Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

Only if you've got the cash, connections, and technical know how.

Meh.
Minimal requirements one need to "build" decent gaming rig is

*some cash (at least as much as average console + TV costs)
+
*minimal tech skills+Youtube+other Internet resources
or
*buy a bear to a friend who is good with comps
=
gaming rig that is much better than any current console

blackrave:

*some cash (at least as much as average console + TV costs)
+

250$US

If you show how I can get a ground-up rig that'll run Sleeping Dogs (I pick it since it's a fairly graphic hoggy game) at 50FPS or better WITH the HD patch on max settings and no issues, I'll publically burn every console I own.

building a pc has always just been "stick things into things" and "hope there aren't any hidden conflicts"

the rest is just planning

GunsmithKitten:

blackrave:

*some cash (at least as much as average console + TV costs)
+

250$US

If you show how I can get a ground-up rig that'll run Sleeping Dogs (I pick it since it's a fairly graphic hoggy game) at 50FPS or better WITH the HD patch on max settings and no issues, I'll publically burn every console I own.

250USD???
For a new X360 and a new TV???
Maybe that's US prices (although I really doubt that- could you give me some links for US e-stores?)
quick glance at local stores gave me ~800USD (4GB X360+cheapest TV)
Maybe you could bargain for 700USD if you search for cheapest offers, but that's about it
and for 700-800USD I can build you really good PC (good enough for Witcher2 to run on high or even ultra-I'm not familiar with Sleeping Dogs)

weirdguy:
building a pc has always just been "stick things into things" and "hope there aren't any hidden conflicts"

the rest is just planning

Don't give our professional secrets away, dammit!

Honestly regardless of what he says consoles will still be consoles and PC's will still be what they are as both parties will still have their consumer base and the world will keep on spinning since not everyone will automatically hop from consoles to PC's any time soon.

I've almost finished building my own rig and it has taken me time and even then there is a risk of it not outputting to "my" expectations whereas my Xbox 360 still continues to play games straight off the bat without any problems and I can still enjoy both without having to alienate the other.

That and I'll be damn happy when I get myself a Wii U knowing all the fun I will have regardless of what anyone claims it being inferior and such because saying it's inferior to me makes no great difference and in essence is a massive waste of time to do so.

That and I'm unemployed so making the rig has taken around a year if not more to construct it with little knowledge and not much help.

GunsmithKitten:

DVS BSTrD:
Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

Only if you've got the cash, connections, and technical know how.

Not really:

It doesn't cost much more than a console, and sometime even less. Take the price of a reasonably priced gamer PC (which means not Alienware) and subtract the amount you'd normally for a regular PC (because you'd get a PC for non-gaming needs anyway), and you'll see that it doesn't cost that much more (less if you can find a good deal) than getting a console.

As for connections, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Technical know how? Just get one of the more recent models of the Dell Studio XPS series (or any similar brand) and you're set. The only computer skills you need are the ones that you probably have.

OT: I like how this guy gets all the console fanboys angry every time he opens his mouth. I might have to get this game based only on that.

hey, whatever helps ya sleep at night, buddy.

blackrave:

Maybe you could bargain for 700USD if you search for cheapest offers, but that's about it
and for 700-800USD I can build you really good PC (good enough for Witcher2 to run on high or even ultra-I'm not familiar with Sleeping Dogs)

Then PC gaming remains too rich for my blood, brudda. Consoles are still cheaper for me.

Doom972:

It doesn't cost much more than a console, and sometime even less.

I've never paid more than 250 for a console. Like I already told someone, find me a pre-built that exceeds the console and I'll go with it..

As for connections, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Finding these one-day sales, lucking out at auctions for parts, knowing comp specialists who'll build your stuff for free, ect....

Technical know how? Just get one of the more recent models of the Dell Studio XPS series (or any similar brand) and you're set. The only computer skills you need are the ones that you probably have.

Sorry, but I don't know brand names, and I probably couldn't even identify what a motherboard looks like.

I only stayed in the scene in the 90's because I lived with someone who ate/slept/drank PC's for a living.

OT: I like how this guy gets all the console fanboys angry every time he opens his mouth. I might have to get this game based only on that.

Because, even though I love the man for gifting the world with Wing Commander, and I'll liekly fall in love with him again once I get in with this Star Citizen project, he talks just like the stereotypical self titled "master race", and looks down on people who play on different mediums and don't feel like taking college courses in IT just to be able to play their video games.

ben-:
I can put my xbox controller into my PC. Hey i got a console! and its playing music, posting to facebook, burning a movie, and more, all at the same time!

And most of that you can do on a 360... so the problem I have been having is that the ability of the console to compete with a pc was the fact that the OS wasn't a drain like that Windows garbage. All of the console energies were directed at running the game. This gen, the big two seem to have decided they wanted to pretend to be PCs (and shitty ones at that).

It's not only the allure of the PC that is costing consoles, but rather the console makers lack of realizing that console owners wanted a dedicated video game playing machine, and not a multimedia crapbox.

GunsmithKitten:

Doom972:

It doesn't cost much more than a console, and sometime even less.

I've never paid more than 250 for a console. Like I already told someone, find me a pre-built that exceeds the console and I'll go with it..

As for connections, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Finding these one-day sales, lucking out at auctions for parts, knowing comp specialists who'll build your stuff for free, ect....

Technical know how? Just get one of the more recent models of the Dell Studio XPS series (or any similar brand) and you're set. The only computer skills you need are the ones that you probably have.

Sorry, but I don't know brand names, and I probably couldn't even identify what a motherboard looks like.

I only stayed in the scene in the 90's because I lived with someone who ate/slept/drank PC's for a living.

OT: I like how this guy gets all the console fanboys angry every time he opens his mouth. I might have to get this game based only on that.

Because, even though I love the man for gifting the world with Wing Commander, and I'll liekly fall in love with him again once I get in with this Star Citizen project, he talks just like the stereotypical self titled "master race", and looks down on people who play on different mediums and don't feel like taking college courses in IT just to be able to play their video games.

I wasn't talking about buying individual parts, but on buying a gaming PC from brands like Dell, Toshiba, etc. No need to pick a motherboard and such.

About the connections part - I don't have any such connections and neither do my PC-gaming friends. I'm sure that you can find a gaming PC for a reasonable price without such "connections".

You make it sound much more complicated than it actually is and I wonder how come some people get that impression about PC gaming.

This guy totally isn't saying this in an attempt to draw attentionto his PC-exclusive game that is meant for real gamers only...

Really though, as much as I like PC gaming consoles will always have one big thing in their favour: Plug and Play. None of that online DRM Steam bullshit.

But does it even matter what people choose to game with? It's their choice, there doesn't need to be a winner. And if consoles are holding gaming back how come PC exclusive stuff isn't really that good?

FFP2:
And if consoles are holding gaming back how come PC exclusive stuff isn't really that good?

Because Opinions?
I don't see most console exclusives as all that great. The later Halos, Uncharted, Red Dead - all look meh to me.
Meanwhilst, show me SC2, Civ IV, Shogun II, Star Citizen, FTL, ST:O, Tribes: Ascend, Planetside 2 - ect. and I'll get excited. PC exclusives are good, they just need to be your sort of game.

Joccaren:

Because Opinions?
I don't see most console exclusives as all that great. The later Halos, Uncharted, Red Dead - all look meh to me.
Meanwhilst, show me SC2, Civ IV, Shogun II, Star Citizen, FTL, ST:O, Tribes: Ascend, Planetside 2 - ect. and I'll get excited. PC exclusives are good, they just need to be your sort of game.

I meant graphics wise, obviously people's tastes will differ:)

Doom972:

You make it sound much more complicated than it actually is and I wonder how come some people get that impression about PC gaming.

Probably from listening in on people arguing about which video card can squeeze out another 1 or 2 FPS or which coolant system is better, or the merits of using two monitors, things of that nature. Things that are understandably alien to most.

FoolKiller:

It's not only the allure of the PC that is costing consoles, but rather the console makers lack of realizing that console owners wanted a dedicated video game playing machine, and not a multimedia crapbox.

Which leads me to also believe that the console market is honestly it's own worst enemy; and with the PC scene and especially the smartphone/portable medium out there, they don't need anymore enemies than they already have for the market...

GunsmithKitten:

DVS BSTrD:
Consols are made of weak sauce, PCs are made of open sauce.

Only if you've got the cash, connections, and technical know how.

When you said connections, for some reason my mind went to two people in dimly lit smoke filled rooms trading a videocard for an envelope full of cash after making sure the other wasnt a cop.

blackrave:

250USD???
For a new X360 and a new TV???
Maybe that's US prices (although I really doubt that- could you give me some links for US e-stores?)
quick glance at local stores gave me ~800USD (4GB X360+cheapest TV)
Maybe you could bargain for 700USD if you search for cheapest offers, but that's about it
and for 700-800USD I can build you really good PC (good enough for Witcher2 to run on high or even ultra-I'm not familiar with Sleeping Dogs)

I dont know what they cost now that the slim is released but you used to be able to get a 360 arcade new for $150. As for the tv that all depends on what you are going for. You can easily get a 32" hd tv for around $250.

I actually got my girlfriend a blueray player (ps3) and a new tv for christmas and it cost me under $350. I did get the ps3 used though so that made it a bit cheaper.

While PCs are becoming more cost efficient and will probably match consoles in the next few years I dont think that really matters. I have yet to meet a single person who actually bought a console over a pc because of the price. The convenience factor just blows away any every single advantage a pc could have.

FFP2:
This guy totally isn't saying this in an attempt to draw attentionto his PC-exclusive game that is meant for real gamers only...

Really though, as much as I like PC gaming consoles will always have one big thing in their favour: Plug and Play. None of that online DRM Steam bullshit.

But does it even matter what people choose to game with? It's their choice, there doesn't need to be a winner. And if consoles are holding gaming back how come PC exclusive stuff isn't really that good?

Or in the WiiU's case, plug, wait 4 hours for update, then play! :P

FFP2:
I meant graphics wise, obviously people's tastes will differ:)

Well if we're going graphics wise PC exclusives aren't where you're going to find the great graphics, as generally they're not AAA games with massive budgets to pay for great graphics. Games like Shogun 2 still manage to do alright though.
For PC vs Console graphics you've got to go something like the Original Crysis, and look at how different they appear, Battlefield 3 on Console vs PC Ultra, Witcher 2 Console vs PC Ultra, and other more mainstream games renowned for their graphics. That's when the graphics side of thing starts to come forward.
Of course, not every game goes to such lengths, but the ones that do you can see a very clear cut difference between the 2 versions of it.

I don't think anybody buys Consoles for their power, or even their power:cost ratio. I personally bought my Xbox because it find it fun.

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