Connecticut Considers Violent Videogame Tax

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How about they just fire every jackass that likes to waste tax payers money by proposing ludicrous bills. That'd save some money for the educational and mental health systems.

Not even looking at the "games cause violence" argument, this is a populist proposal, unless the girl doesn't quite understand when taxes are ineffective.
Heard of booze cruises? People could just grab games from another state and dodge this morality tax.

Tanis:
DAMMIT REPUBLICANS!
What happened to being for SMALL government.
:/

Also:
Blonde hair, blue eyes, and fascist.
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I kid...I kid.
:D

How do republicans in a state in which they hold 31% of the state senate & 34% of the state house pass a video game tax?

& When did Glenn Beck begin advocating for taxing free speech?

Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

The Artificially Prolonged:
Do these people realise that sales of these games already bring in tax money that could be used to benefit mental health initatives? Perhaps if some of that money was used on that instead of wasted stupid scapegoat policies then we might actually get somewhere.

This is just a new kind of sin tax. Love the sin, hate the sinner, that is how government works in regards to things like this.

aelreth:

Tanis:
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How do republicans in a state in which they hold 31% of the state senate & 34% of the state house pass a video game tax?

& When did Glenn Beck begin advocating for taxing free speech?

Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

This probably won't pass, as it has not passed in other states. But Democrats will always be in favor of a new tax. I'm honestly surprised a Republican is leading the charge on this one.

*searches politician's name up*.

Yep, Republican. I wouldn't be that surprised if it were a Democrat who proposed that, but tampering with the first amendment for 'moral' purposes seems to be a thing among the Republican Party.

Fuck this, I'd go to New York to buy my games.

Andy Chalk:
Connecticut Considers Violent Videogame Tax

Connecticut State Representative Debralee Hovey has introduced a bill in the state legislature that would see an extra ten percent charged on all sales of videogames with an ESRB rating of M (Mature) or higher. Money raised by the tax would go to the state's Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services "to educate families on the warning signs of videogame addiction and antisocial behavior."

Wow that is ridiculous. That's nearly double their sales tax. What is this, Australia?

Baresark:

This probably won't pass, as it has not passed in other states. But Democrats will always be in favor of a new tax. I'm honestly surprised a Republican is leading the charge on this one.

Only a republican would be stupid enough to lead this charge. In a political context the democrats are performing masterfully, because she is the face of this farce.

aelreth:

Baresark:

This probably won't pass, as it has not passed in other states. But Democrats will always be in favor of a new tax. I'm honestly surprised a Republican is leading the charge on this one.

Only a republican would be stupid enough to lead this charge. In a political context the democrats are performing masterfully, because she is the face of this farce.

That's true, it's simply a matter of let the idiot republicans lead, then the idiot democrats will agree. Dem Dem's love a good tax stream.

Is the tax also going to the education of people in the flat earth theory? The geocentric view? Because both are equally true as the induction of violence by videogames.

You know what does induce violence? Much more so than what you allege videogames do... guns. Where is your gun tax Miss Think of the Children? Oh yes the gun-nuts are in the same crowd you are trying to score a few cheap points with.

You know what I would like to happen? Politicians not wasting money on stupid fucking proposals. Because that is good for the economy right? Waste money on proposing doomed to fail legislation just to get some PR.

canadamus_prime:
How about a stupid politician tax? You know where politicians would be taxed for every stupid proposal they make.

With that tax we would never have a deficit again and the economy would be strong for a long time!

OT: This will honestly not pass because it is a huge violation of the 1st Amendment. On the bright side of all of this Connecticut is making California and their attempts to deal with violent video games seem sane. Hooray~ ^.^

This makes me feel more violent than any video game ever has.

aelreth:
Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

California.

The republican governor even took it to the supreme court as he wasn't happy the law kept getting struck down in court. Unfortunately for him and other conservatives, the supreme court ruled against the videogames ban (Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association). The vote on that also was pretty much republicans in favour of the censorship, democrats opposed. Yee was an exception in his camp really.


Why even bother to try and argue about something like that? Everybody knows that the vast majority of censorship, curtailing of freedom, imposing religion and other questionable reactionary stuff is always found most among republicans and libertarians. That's why they call it reactionary: Extremely conservative.

Andy Chalk:
Money raised by the proposed tax will help fund "education concerning the danger of violent videogames."

But that's completely biased. This is what I'm worried about when it comes to research into this issue - they're already adamant that there is a problem there, so their results won't show anything else that they don't want to see. This is turning into a propaganda issue. It needs to end before things get even worse.

Adam Jensen:
Idiots. Stupid fuckin' retards without an ounce of reason and critical thinking skills. How the fuck do you justify that stupidity? I want to kick them out of the country. They're not contributing to society in any positive way.

Every time I see your posts it makes me smile. I can just imagine Jensen sitting at his work computer in his office at Sarif, angrily typing posts on the Escapist while shouting, "We didn't ask for this!"

Blablahb:

aelreth:
Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

California.

The republican governor even took it to the supreme court as he wasn't happy the law kept getting struck down in court. Unfortunately for him and other conservatives, the supreme court ruled against the videogames ban (Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association). The vote on that also was pretty much republicans in favour of the censorship, democrats opposed. Yee was an exception in his camp really.


Why even bother to try and argue about something like that? Everybody knows that the vast majority of censorship, curtailing of freedom, imposing religion and other questionable reactionary stuff is always found most among republicans and libertarians. That's why they call it reactionary: Extremely conservative.

What was the composition of the California Assembly? Also the California Senate?

Try again.

Just because a governor happens to be one party does not mean the assembly mirrors it. This isn't a parliamentary system.

This state was lost to conservatives after 1990.

Democrats failed to take a single county in the arch conservative states, Oklahoma & Utah.

Can you explain why these conservatives aren't taking away violent video games?

After all they are all a bunch of rural dwelling hayseeds. Filled with obviously reactionary, freedom curtailing people. They must also have massive amounts of censorship.

*Sing song voice*

It is illeeeeegal.

You'd think that someone in such a high government office would at least know what the Constitution and Bill of Rights sayyyyyy. So she must be doing it for publicity unless she's retardeeeeeeed.

Take your piiiiiick.

Andy Chalk:
Connecticut Considers Violent Videogame Tax

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Money raised by the proposed tax will help fund "education concerning the danger of violent videogames."

Connecticut State Representative Debralee Hovey has introduced a bill in the state legislature that would see an extra ten percent charged on all sales of videogames with an ESRB rating of M (Mature) or higher. Money raised by the tax would go to the state's Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services "to educate families on the warning signs of videogame addiction and antisocial behavior."

Hovey's district includes Newtown, the site of the horrific Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre that left 27 people, mostly young children, plus the shooter dead in December 2012. Reports that the shooter's favorite videogame was "Call of Duty" were widespread but hardly surprising, given that it's one of the most popular entertainment franchises on the planet, but the proposed bill would go beyond just violent videogames like first-person shooters to cover everything M-rated or higher, including games like Family Guy: Back to the Multiverse, The Testament of Sherlock Holmes, Wing Commander and a whole bunch of mobile phone stuff including something called Fart Machine.

Connecticut isn't the first state to consider a violent videogame tax; Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Wisconsin have all previously considered similar taxes, although none have been implemented.

Source: WFSB.com, Connecticut General Assembly

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I have a better idea. How about we use that said tax to educate our politicians into learning how to do their dam jobs...

Easton Dark:
*Sing song voice*

It is illeeeeegal.

You'd think that someone in such a high government office would at least know what the Constitution and Bill of Rights sayyyyyy. So she must be doing it for publicity unless she's retardeeeeeeed.

Take your piiiiiick.

Can't it be both?

aelreth:

Blablahb:

aelreth:
Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

California.

The republican governor even took it to the supreme court as he wasn't happy the law kept getting struck down in court. Unfortunately for him and other conservatives, the supreme court ruled against the videogames ban (Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association). The vote on that also was pretty much republicans in favour of the censorship, democrats opposed. Yee was an exception in his camp really.


Why even bother to try and argue about something like that? Everybody knows that the vast majority of censorship, curtailing of freedom, imposing religion and other questionable reactionary stuff is always found most among republicans and libertarians. That's why they call it reactionary: Extremely conservative.

What was the composition of the California Assembly? Also the California Senate?

Try again.

Just because a governor happens to be one party does not mean the assembly mirrors it. This isn't a parliamentary system.

This state was lost to conservatives after 1990.

Democrats failed to take a single county in the arch conservative states, Oklahoma & Utah.

Can you explain why these conservatives aren't taking away violent video games?

After all they are all a bunch of rural dwelling hayseeds. Filled with obviously reactionary, freedom curtailing people. They must also have massive amounts of censorship.

Why people bring up sides in politics anymore is beyond me... Both have shown in congress and most States to be the same dam corrupt aholes that has either a democrat sticker or a republican sticker. In this case of video games both sides have show hate and vile towards it for one bs reason or another.

aelreth:
What was the composition of the California Assembly? Also the California Senate?

See previous post, read again:
"The vote on that also was pretty much republicans in favour of the censorship, democrats opposed. Yee was an exception in his camp really."

aelreth:
Democrats failed to take a single county in the arch conservative states, Oklahoma & Utah.
Can you explain why these conservatives aren't taking away violent video games?

Because the supreme court shot it down.

Also there's some republicans who realise that lobbying openly for censorship is not a move that draws votes. They already have the Christian zealots on board, censorship or not. Endorsing censorship in the form of a game ban would alienate many.

I can't take this anymore. Politicians of 'Merica, there ARE NO FREAKING DANGERS TO FREAKING VIOLENT GAMES! It's an entertainment thing, no more dangerous than one of your numerous 'quality' TV series. That are rated 13. You say guns don't kill people as an excuse to sell guns en masse, well get this: Games don't kill people either. And you can't use them to kill people. Guns on the other hand...

I swear! Are these politicians just plain thick or something? What the hell is up with having a right to carry any gun? That's retardedly stupid. Make people get a license to buy a gun, after you made sure they're sane. You know, like the rest of the world. And stop crapping yourself over games.

ITT: Gamers call for the immediate removal of an entire government office because of a proposed 10% tax increase.

IOT: Gamers generally don't give a damn about anything else governments do beyond snarking about it.

Great.

"Warning signs of videogame addiction?" Who would educate people on these "signs"? Hell, who would come up with the literature enumerating and describing them? What vaguely qualified person in the field of psychoanalysis or addiction treatment would risk their reputation on something so frivolous and chimerical?

Really, Connecticut? You're going to impose a tax on video games that's higher than people typically pay on a liter of alcohol?

So... they want "to educate families on the warning signs of videogame addiction and antisocial behavior" by taxing video games that aren't actually made for, or marketed to either families or children?

Somebody help me here, I just can't join these dots up by myself...

Blablahb:

aelreth:
What was the composition of the California Assembly? Also the California Senate?

See previous post, read again:
"The vote on that also was pretty much republicans in favour of the censorship, democrats opposed. Yee was an exception in his camp really."

"AB1179 was passed by the California Senate yesterday by a vote of 22-9. The bill then went back to the Assembly, where it was approved 65-7. Now the bill goes to the desk of California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who must sign or veto the bill by October 9. " Source Gamespot

Composition in 05 in CA Senate 25 D 15 R
Assembly 48 D 32 R

How In the heck did those republicans manage to pass this thing when they were in the MINORITY.

My statement was simply "Find me a republican controlled state that is banning or taxing video games"

First, this wasn't a ban or a tax.

How the heck do you call this republican control?

Blablahb:

Also there's some republicans who realise that lobbying openly for censorship is not a move that draws votes. They already have the Christian zealots on board, censorship or not. Endorsing censorship in the form of a game ban would alienate many.

You are aware that the population of Utah and Oklahoma is dominated by "christian zealots" right? It would logically be in the best interests of the "Christian zealots" that run those states to simply do what "Christian zealots" do (which in your world is Ban violent video games and pass taxes on them). This would rally the "Christian zealot" vote in those states. Who would they be alienating? The "Christian zealots" have no opposition. After all those "Christian Zealots" can't control themselves, why, they are "conservative".

I simply want to know why they are not doing so?

Also, most Americans know that Utah is filled with Mormons (a brand of christian zealot), Mormons are NOT allowed to drink alcohol or caffeine, since they are christian zealots, shouldn't they be making the entire state dry?

Didn't the Escapist post an article about the same exact plan a month or two back, only it was happening in Connecticut or some shit?

No. No you may not appease your frightened constituent base by arbitrary violating an entertainment medium. You may not ride on panic to stifle freedom of speech. I don't care how unintentional stupid and well-meaning you are, I don't care if you know how stupid this is plan to ride it for fame or don't think it will pass in a million years, I don't care what your political game is lady, you are poking a sharp stick in the eye of of favorite media for your own goals. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore! This tax puts video games (at least some of them) on the same level as cigarettes and I will not have the two put anywhere near the same plane. You're out of order lady!

I was upset witht his, but then I thought about how New york is doing a fat tax and how thats accepted as good, so i guess I cant really disagree with this much.

aelreth:

How do republicans in a state in which they hold 31% of the state senate & 34% of the state house pass a video game tax?

& When did Glenn Beck begin advocating for taxing free speech?

Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

Well, the article listed 3 that are Republican controlled that have had it proposed much like Connecticut is doing here. Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Party doesn't matter when you're taking a PR moral stand.

Using death of children to make profit. Nice!

Clearly unconstitutional, but there's nothing stopping the state from passing this. Legislatures enact unconstitutional laws all the time. They're only invalidated when they're used against someone and that someone brings it in front of the courts.

That said, yeah, it's prolly hot air. This is the sorta bill that politicians introduce while fully expecting it to die. It's just "I took a stand!" nonsense for the reelection campaign.

Frostbite3789:

aelreth:

How do republicans in a state in which they hold 31% of the state senate & 34% of the state house pass a video game tax?

& When did Glenn Beck begin advocating for taxing free speech?

Find me the Republican controlled state that is banning or taxing violent video games.

Well, the article listed 3 that are Republican controlled that have had it proposed much like Connecticut is doing here. Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Party doesn't matter when you're taking a PR moral stand.

Complete grandstanding, I agree. However, I think that this state, has the highest degree of passing.

Wisconsin is too slim, OK had their chance last year just to watch it be murdered in subcommittee, PA has the pubs in the majority and that majority is very temporal.

No majority wants to be the group seen taking the lead on this.

education concerning the danger of violent videogames.

im not a native english speaker, so correct me if im wrong, but that is not a logical sentence. Shouldnt a state representative know english? (then again we elected a guy that barely speaks lithuanian with horrible russian accent so i guess....)

First of, ESRB ratings are FAR from perfect and that are really something we dont even need, and your going tax based on voluntary ratings? crazy.

"to educate families on the warning signs of videogame addiction and antisocial behavior."

well at least its beter than "signs of videogames turning them into mass shooters" but how does antisocial behaviour necesary a problem of the state is beyond me. ill be as antisocial as i want, becuase i think societal norms as we have now are completely riduiculous.

DioWallachia:

You. Your campaing. My vote and the vote of all gamers everywhere.

When do you start your political campaing?

I doubt he wants to commit suicide. because campaignign in US without beinding over to one of the two republican parties is a suicide. especially if you have more than 100 supporters.

zdog jr:
If this was passed most people would likely just go to digital distributors and online retailers, hurting not only the physical retailer in the state but a portion of their own sales tax revenue.

Or does Amazon have a state tax on items now?

actually, looking at it this wa, i agree with the conencticut. we need to push retailers out the sooner the better.

shiajun:

In any case, it doesn't matter how you tax it or put more warning stickers on the box. If dad caves in to kid and buys him the media that was not designed for that age range then all the legislation in the world won't mean a thing. This applies to anything that has an age rating. However, politicians will always shy away from exposing how their electorate is part of the problem. Never blame the individual, noooooo, it's always the business and industry, or the government.

what if dad is smart enough to know whats fit for his child better than some rando dudes reviewing the game?

itchcrotch:
They did the same thing wit the Global Warming tax here in Australia. How exactly do they think charging extra tax is going to fix anything?

actually enviromental taxes are not mean to make revenue for goverment, but to highten incentive to create less bad gases. and it works. everywhere where such tax was enacted, the amount of enviromental damaging substances were lowered considerably. this is because its easy to do that, its just that without the tax there is no incentive. what, you expect businessmen to be responsible on thier own? with the western business model of "throw money on it and light a big fire"?

canadamus_prime:
How about a stupid politician tax? You know where politicians would be taxed for every stupid proposal they make.

Then they would all be to busy filing for bancrupcy and would not do anything useful anyway.

lacktheknack:

IOT: Gamers generally don't give a damn about anything else governments do beyond snarking about it.
Great.

i Guess thats why our religion and politics board is dead right? or why such things like "pirate party" even exist? we care about everythign government does, its jut that this, being a gaming website, report on things they do in relation to games.

Kmadden2004:
So... they want "to educate families on the warning signs of videogame addiction and antisocial behavior" by taxing video games that aren't actually made for, or marketed to either families or children?

Somebody help me here, I just can't join these dots up by myself...

ok, ill help.
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emeraldrafael:
I was upset witht his, but then I thought about how New york is doing a fat tax and how thats accepted as good, so i guess I cant really disagree with this much.

except that fat actually has legit medical concerns.

You know what? I would support this if it went towards educating people about gun safety and improving systems to correctly identify people that could go on mass-murder sprees. As it stands, NOPE.

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