ESRB Ratings "Awareness" May Be Maxed Out

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J Tyran:
A related question, why the resistance towards legally enforced age rating for games in the US?

becasue thats one of the stupidies idea ever. regulation based on age only works on homogenous species. humans are not.

Does ESRB public their rating criteria (not this game has violnce ect but what earns a game certain rating)? no. then they should stop talking about having full exposure.

People in the US seem to have no problem that pornography (i believe) is age restricted by law.

people in US are obessed with pornography to the extent of madness. They should not be allowed to make such restrictions in the first place for they are not mentally sound on the subject.

Parents: Stop being so bloody ignorant. I don't care if you're "aware" of it, if you don't seem to give a flying fuck.
Stores: Stop. Selling. To. Minors. For god's sake, what is so hard about that?

Tanis:
The difference is, if I might be so bold, Tyran...

The USA isn't, as a whole, using 1984 as a GUIDE.
Unlike the UK where you can be tossed in jail for FINDING A GUN and REPORTING IT.

The UK is turning more and more into the police state they once fought against during WW2.

Oh, hello Godwin's Law. Haven't seen you in a while.

Strazdas:
Does ESRB public their rating criteria (not this game has violnce ect but what earns a game certain rating)?

Uh, yes, yes they do: http://www.esrb.org/ratings/latestratings.jsp Gives a pretty detailed explanation.

Tanis:
Unlike the UK where you can be tossed in jail for FINDING A GUN and REPORTING IT

Rubbish, genuinely finding a gun and calling the police would not get you prosecuted at all. "Finding" a gun and carrying it around might get you arrested, I am sure you can see why. "oh sorry officer I was just on my way to the police station with this gun" owning a gun for years before deciding to hand it in might get you as far as court, finding your Granddads WW2 trophy during a house clear out wouldn't.

Tanis:
The UK is turning more and more into the police state they once fought against during WW2.

I will also add that British citizens are far better protected against abuse from the state than American citizens, there are occasional incidents in general and some very nasty ones in the conflict in Northern Ireland but did you see the British police blasting at cars full of innocent members of the public when Raoul Moat or Mark Duggan where on the rampage?

No you didn't.

Lucem712:

RicoADF:
Having ratings enforceable by law is not restricting freedom of speech, how the US can be so backwards and allow kids to buy mortal combat I will never know. Yes there are guidelines that the stores should follow, but there's no enforcement and thus they can sell to whoever they want. All media needs ratings to be enforced, remember its banning games that restrict freedom of speech, not enforcing ratings. People that argue the slippery slope are paranoid over nothing.

It doesn't matter much if said child can go get a parent to purchase it for them. A-lot of uneducated (on media/games) parents really don't care about buying their kid 'ShootyMcShooter 18: Double Guns". And at least they aren't able to access AO games as most retailers don't carry them.

Even if they put as stringent age verification on video games as cigarettes or liquor it doesn't matter if an ignorant parent or a parent who doesn't care goes and purchases it for them despite the clear rating and description on the box.

Unless you do a rating like NC-17 in the states where regardless of a parent authorizing said purchase, the retailer will not be allowed to sell it if they suspect it may be for someone under the age restriction.

Hell, I've been carded more often while purchasing games than buying movies or going to the theatre.

That's true and I wouldn't be suprised if some do it over here too, however it would be their responsability for purchasing it and any complaint about kids playing GTA puts the blame on the parents. We don't have the silly arguments of the US, neither does the UK, because its setup where its the parents responsability.

FEichinger:
Parents: Stop being so bloody ignorant. I don't care if you're "aware" of it, if you don't seem to give a flying fuck.
Stores: Stop. Selling. To. Minors. For god's sake, what is so hard about that?

usually the parents go and buy the games for their kids. and the store isnt obligated to ask every adult customer if they are buying the game for themselves or a minor.
also it would be kind of ridiculous to force your employees to ask that to every person who buys a video game.

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the next logical step would be to change the cd boxes into somme kind of bear trap.
He that will not hear must feel.

DVS BSTrD:
Everybody can have any gun they want, but games need to be regulated by law.

BLUF: US Gun Laws are actually complicated and not the "free-for-all, everybody has an M-16" situation people seem to think is the case.

This idea that America is a place where people hand out guns like candy and anybody can have any gun is one of the most preposterous suppositions out there about the US in the International mindset.

The US doesn't actually allow all people to have any and all types of firearms. As a matter of fact, I'd wager that most people in the US don't own, never will own, and probably never have or will hold a firearm. The 0.75 Guns per capita statistic that I see bandied about doesn't take into accounts the guys who own thirty or forty firearms.
Furthermore, military-grade firearms are actually banned, and have always been banned. The Glock Model 18, for example, is an illegal gun (It's a pistol capable of fully-automatic fire). The so-called "assault weapons" ban has only ever effected cosmetic features of weapons, with only two of said features actually having any sort of effectiveness of the weapon - "high capacity" magazines and threaded barrels. There are numerous iterations of firearms which are both legal and illegal under the "assault weapons" ban because the legal version has, say, a fixed, wooden stock instead of a folding, metal one.
Call me crazy, but i think the fixed stock might actually make it a slightly more dangerous weapon.
Hell, the M9 Beretta is illegal under the assault weapons ban. The standard-issue, nigh-ubiquitous sidearm used by the police, military, and quite a few civilian shooters, and the image everybody conjures when they think of a "pistol" is illegal (It accepts a 15-round magazine and may have a threaded barrel), whereas the M 1911 - which fires a .45 calibre round and has notably more stopping power - isn't.

I think the ESRB labels are about as blunt as possible about their target audience. The 15% of parents who can't figure them out are too stupid to be parents.

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