Higgs Boson Points to End of Whole Universe

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Higgs Boson Points to End of Whole Universe

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Billions of years from now, vaccuum instability could see a new universe wiping ours away.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), that big particle accelerator that straddles the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, has been on the recieving end of much admiration lately for finding more proof of the existence of the Higgs boson particle than anything before it. Naturally, having sort-of-maybe found this grand missing piece of physics, a few scientists have started theorizing about what the implications of its existence might really be. Their conclusion involves a situation where, billions of years from now, another universe bubbles up in the center of ours and erases it. All of it. Yes, the entire thing. Science!

Working from the theory of vaccuum instability, Dr Josef Lykken of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) says that knowing the mass of the Higgs allows for calculations that point to a cyclical universe of sorts, where all of space is replaced with new, different space once a critical point is reached.

"It turns out there's a calculation you can do in our Standard Model of particle physics, once you know the mass of the Higgs boson," explained Lykken, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). "If you use all the physics we know now, and you do this straightforward calculation - it's bad news," he continued.

"What happens is you get just a quantum fluctuation that makes a tiny bubble of the vacuum the Universe really wants to be in. And because it's a lower-energy state, this bubble will then expand, basically at the speed of light, and sweep everything before it," Lykken said.

As strange this might sound, it might actually be true. Dr Lykken thinks it is, at any rate. "I think that idea is getting more and more traction...it's much easier to explain a lot of things if what we see is a cycle. If I were to bet my own money on it, I'd bet the cyclic idea is right," he concluded.

However, it should be noted that nobody should worry about the possible implications of this theory because our planet and our sun will be long gone by the time any such event might occur. Besides which, we don't have to be all gloom and doom about it, do we? In its way, this kind of theory is a good thing; it gives us a beautiful, needle-sharp appreciation for the fleeting nature of time and the ultimate transience of all physical things. It should tell us to be the best that we can be in all things, because one day, some whippersnapper of an upstart baby universe is going to appear in ours, erase it from history, and basically start acting like it never existed.

Cheery stuff, physics.

Source: BBC News

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There's also the fact that, sometime in the next few billion years, we could finally unlock doors to other planes of existence (which even Stephen Hawking now says might be possible).

well, thats shit.

might as well stop searching for a second earth..

Hevva:
Higgs Boson Points to End of Whole Universe

YEAH, END OF THE WORLD PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!

Hevva:
Billions of years from now

Oh... never mind. PARTY'S OFF EVERYONE.

I feel like we need to make a call to Stephen Baxter.

I'm certain his mind could come up with some beautifully intricate process for saving our far-flung descendants..

The universe DOES have a center! THE RACE IS ON!

The theory of a cyclical universe is pretty fascinating, as long as it also doesn't involve a cycle where Reapers kill all sentient life every 50,000 years. :-P

Isn't it implied that this is all kind of random? or does our universes current energy state disallow it? Or can some higher energy or bigger universe just decide to plop into our universe at any given moment?

Either way neat stuff, i had spent a good time pondering similar mechanics for a cyclic universe, using gravity and the exapansion of the universe and quantum particles or parallel dimensions causing a "big bang" and clearing out the remnants of our scattered mostly dead universe.

then a few years ago string theory brought more unstable dimensions idea into it all, wobbling dimensions occasionally touching and blasting their respective dimensions completely to hell.

Mojo:

Hevva:
Higgs Boson Points to End of Whole Universe

YEAH, END OF THE WORLD PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!

Hevva:
Billions of years from now

Oh... never mind. PARTY'S OFF EVERYONE.

It's the end of the world,as we know it. nd I feel fine. XD

Well, it's better than the heat death of the universe, where cold blackness is all that would exist, with the odd atom per square mile or something.

Sylocat:
There's also the fact that, sometime in the next few billion years, we could finally unlock doors to other planes of existence (which even Stephen Hawking now says might be possible).

One thing I always thought that was cool, at least conceptually, is if you took the technology we have today back one million years, it would still work. Everything is possible right now, we just don't know how yet.

Another thing I wanted to add, the only thing I could really understand, the universe itself has a cycle. It makes sense though, everything in nature has a cycle of some sort. It all just runs its course, round and round.

Welp, we've got a few billion years. Time to start working on that Universe StabilizerTM.

"All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again"

Says the time prophet looking into the future-past.

Quick panic buy stuff! we only have several billion years to stock up......although maybe this has happened several times before?

rhizhim:
well, thats shit.

might as well stop searching for a second earth..

Well given *BILLIONS* of years, and provided the development of technology continues to accelerate, is it tends to do, and provided humanity isn't extinct-ified by some outside source...

So if our technology exponentially develops for even a single billion years, I'd estimate us at the "ascended to a higher plane of existence" level. Our technology is already developing super-fast, and a billion years is a FRIKKEN long time. Long enough, I'd say, to colonize new planets as our sun smolders to a cinder, discover some way to hop to alternate universes, or hop to the new universe, or reverse this physical effect, or whatever.

Man, this sort of space/universe stuff really makes me feel completely shit, almost to the point of a panic attack. Yay science. I'm gonna go masturbate.

Innegativeion:

rhizhim:
well, thats shit.

might as well stop searching for a second earth..

Well given *BILLIONS* of years, and provided the development of technology continues to accelerate, is it tends to do, and provided humanity isn't extinct-ified by some outside source...

So if our technology exponentially develops for even a single billion years, I'd estimate us at the "ascended to a higher plane of existence" level. Our technology is already developing super-fast, and a billion years is a FRIKKEN long time. Long enough, I'd say, to colonize new planets as our sun smolders to a cinder, discover some way to hop to alternate universes, or hop to the new universe, or reverse this physical effect, or whatever.

and all that while avoiding a dimensional destruction moving at the speed of light.
nope, i dont think we might find a way in time.

we're fucked.

Meh let the future generations worries about that since we all be dead by then unless some of us become immortals or chose to be reincarnated.

Someone call Shepard and tell her that there is no point in saving the universe

cerebus23:
Isn't it implied that this is all kind of random? or does our universes current energy state disallow it? Or can some higher energy or bigger universe just decide to plop into our universe at any given moment?

Really, at that scale, scientists have no bloody idea. All that proven science is is anything that can be reproduced under certain circumstances. When dealing with something that is infinitessimally small and infinitessimally gigantic at the same time, we really have no data, and actually have evidence to support that the laws of physics sorta break down at that point. Science has reasonable proof that at the creation of our universe there were as many as 14 different dimensions that broke down and stabilized into the 4 we have now (length, width, height, time). If that is possible, literally anything is.

It also helps make debates between learned people of faith and atheist scholars a beautiful sight. "LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!" "They don't work on that scale! 14 dimensions!" "Now who looks silly like they're desperately trying to make something up!" "RAWR!" It's really glorious,and gets better with each new discovery on this scale.

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Yes it is Captcha, yes it is.

As a side note, this interestingly give extra credence to the Hindu faith, the one that is all about how everything cycles, including the universe.

What's with all the doom and gloom? This is actually one of the better end of the universe scenarios, it allows for new universe to move into. Big Freeze, heat death, Big Rip, and Big Crunch don't.

Also, does that mean at the edge of our universe are the remains of an old universe?

Hey, if there really is an expiration date for the universe, and assuming the cycles in which the universe is redone are somewhat constant, doesn't that make the "computer simulation" theory way more awesome? (with iterations and such)

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Let me dream, Captcha, will you?!

The hindus were right! "Brahmā lives one hundred of such "years" and then dies. These "hundred years" total 311 trillion 40 billion (311,040,000,000,000) earth years. By these calculations the life of Brahmā seems fantastic and interminable, but from the viewpoint of eternity it is as brief as a lightning flash. In the Causal Ocean there are innumerable Brahmās rising and disappearing like bubbles in the Atlantic." being human sucks.

Ukomba:
What's with all the doom and gloom? This is actually one of the better end of the universe scenarios, it allows for new universe to move into. Big Freeze, heat death, Big Rip, and Big Crunch don't.

I agree. This end-of-the-universe scenario is vastly more "cheery" than any of the other proposed theories.

Also, does that mean at the edge of our universe are the remains of an old universe?

Theoretically? I'd think so. Especially given there's been a new theory circulating around lately called "The Big Bounce"; a variation of the Big Bang theory.

Essentially, it considers the possibility that this universe burst into being from the collapse of another, older universe.

Vigormortis:

Ukomba:
What's with all the doom and gloom? This is actually one of the better end of the universe scenarios, it allows for new universe to move into. Big Freeze, heat death, Big Rip, and Big Crunch don't.

I agree. This end-of-the-universe scenario is vastly more "cheery" than any of the other proposed theories.

Also, does that mean at the edge of our universe are the remains of an old universe?

Theoretically? I'd think so. Especially given there's been a new theory circulating around lately called "The Big Bounce"; a variation of the Big Bang theory.

Essentially, it considers the possibility that this universe burst into being from the collapse of another, older universe.

But if that is true won't there at the edge of that old universe be the remnants of another even older one?

Roelof Wesselius:

But if that is true won't there at the edge of that old universe be the remnants of another even older one?

I imagine it would depend on how this "cyclical expansion" operates. But in theory, there could be.

I've not read up on the current state of these new theories; including the latest iteration of the Big Bounce theory; but it would stand to reason that there could be an innumerable number of universes stacked on top of each other, expanding outward to some unknown (or unknowable) fate. In fact, for all we know, this "stacking effect" could be a catalyst for the creation of other, newer universes.

Or, perhaps the expansion of a new universe simply "annihilates" the space-time of the older universe. Or maybe it assimilates the old universe, repurposing the old universes energy/mass.

Again, I can't say. And, for all intents and purposes, neither can modern physics. But at least we're still looking for answers. (and finding more and more each day)

rhizhim:
we're fucked.

Then do not go gentle into that good night, but rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I still like the Universe in a black hole theory. One day we will create an artificial black hole that contains everything for human life to exist, just like another version of us did 15.3 billion years ago (while it's only been 15 seconds for them). If you think massively enough, could we just be like quantum mechanics to higher being. I'm a particle and a wave.

Hammeroj:
Man, this sort of space/universe stuff really makes me feel completely shit, almost to the point of a panic attack. Yay science. I'm gonna go masturbate.

Well if it makes you feel any better, your own death is, relatively speaking, mere seconds away.

DVS BSTrD:
The universe DOES have a center! THE RACE IS ON!

Yeah, but like, it's in my pants, don't know if I want you in there... :P Some pretty ladies racin for it is always nice though...

Nut yeah, billions of years to us is a retardedly long time, I'll be long dead and forgotten by then so it's all good.

DaxStrife:
The theory of a cyclical universe is pretty fascinating, as long as it also doesn't involve a cycle where Reapers kill all sentient life every 50,000 years. :-P

No worries. For every Reaper cycle, there's always a Shepard. Except not as good as the first one.

mateushac:
Hey, if there really is an expiration date for the universe, and assuming the cycles in which the universe is redone are somewhat constant, doesn't that make the "computer simulation" theory way more awesome? (with iterations and such)

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Let me dream, Captcha, will you?!

Its not the end of the universe, its just the next update and the programmers are starting to implement it (on a ridiculous timescale)! talk about vaporware.

OT: I personally like this end of the universe scenario more than most, because at least something functional is left.

Hammeroj:
Man, this sort of space/universe stuff really makes me feel completely shit, almost to the point of a panic attack. Yay science. I'm gonna go masturbate.

What?! I think it's amazing. How can you not love stuff like this?

Time to start selling end-of-the-universe shelters. I'm sure there's at least a few nabobs out there who'll buy 'em.

"But what about that whole vacuum-instability thing?"
"Don't worry! It's vacuum-sealed!"
"Deal!"

This is certainly a good thing, I mean vacuum instability would give a cyclical and eternal universe. A much better option than the alternative... Which you know would be the radioactive decay of the last atoms in the universe some 5 billion billion billion billion billion years from now. A future with possibilities is what's best, even if we aren't around for any of it.

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