PSN Games Won't Transfer to PS4

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PSN Games Won't Transfer to PS4

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Some PSN titles may run in the future, but not at launch.

If you've been following all the hoopla regarding the PlayStation 4, you'll know that it has a lot of exciting new games lined up. This is an incredibly good thing, since anyone wanting to play his or her existing PSN games on it is out of luck. While Sony has plans to make PSN games playable at a later time, neither the games nor their associated save files will transfer over to the new console.

To begin, PS3 titles - both hard discs and downloaded content - will not be compatible with the PS4 due to significant differences in the hardware's processing capabilities. Eventually, some PS3 titles will make the jump, but only ones that the PS4 can emulate without radically overstretching its processor. As far as PSN titles go, Sony will focus its energies on ensuring that the PS4-specific games and functionality work before providing ways to play older titles in the "longer term."

Given that the PSN library of PS1, PS2, and PS3 games is very extensive and many users have games-in-progress they'd like to transfer, this lack of functionality could be a significant handicap at the system's launch. Bear in mind that these games will eventually become available, but there's no hard timeframe as of yet.

Source: Engadget

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Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

I can see how this could be an issue for a lot of people. No one wants to deal with games they can't play since they bought them in the past. I can understand backwards compatability not being allowed, but there are those who are going to be upset not being able to play their Journey and Classic games right from the get go. Hopefully this won't sway too many to not buy it. I still would get it regardless, since hopefully in the future this will be corrected.

Another victory for the PC master race! Seriously, I don't think this will be that big of a deal as long as Sony gets it working within the first couple of months. Most people will still have there old consoles for a while, but long-term wise this can really hurt them if they don't get it working.

In which case there better be some amazing exclusives, or else I will just switch completely to PC gaming. What I have seen so far hasn't exactly convinced me that it's a better idea to get a PS4 than to simply upgrade my computer.

kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

I heard this a lot when the PS3 dropped backward compatibility, & it's a valid argument. A lot of people would agree, but a lot of other people are gonna have a problem with losing all the digitally distributed games & content they've amassed; if Sony is smart, they'll keep PS3/PSN support a priority until they can establish some kind of virtual console set-up. If not, I don't see a lot of people making the switch any time soon

Sony better have some amazing exclusives for this or I'm not gonna be getting the PS4 and I'll be sticking to the PS3 and PS2. I mean if I'd have to buy all the games I have again then I'd definitely be miffed since I'd have all that progress. I enjoy backwards compatibility because then I don't need to own as many consoles.

Even the Wii can Transfer it's eShop and Virtual Console Games to the WiiU! If Sony really wants to focus on a Console for the Consumer, why are they going to such lengths to make people not buy it on day one?

I seriously can't keep hogging all these old consoles, Sony!

I understand that with new hardware there comes new compatibility issues, especially when you're looking at 3 previous generations, but Microsoft made the same promise with the original Xbox games on the 360. There were some terrible emulations there, when they even got around to sorting them out in the first place.

This won't be a deal-breaker for me, but it would earn Sony some serious points if they could at least get PS3 games to play on the PS4.

kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

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kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

The lack of compatibility doesn't mean that I won't get a ps4 but it does mean that it will be a while. I have less space than I used to and I don't want to clutter up my flat so I am trying to keep the number of consoles I have down. I got the Wii U at launch pretty much because I could even it out by getting rid of my Wii.

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kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

Well, since the PS4 Can't play PS3 or PSN games, I'm inclined to say "nope." However, since I do not know if you can transfer your profiles from PS3 to the PS4 (Which I am inclined to also say "Nope."), I am not 100% sure...

What this basically means is don't buy anything off the PSN store anymore and wait a good year or two to buy a PS4 so you actually have games to play on the thing.

Okay, I know I'm not an IT expert by any stretch of the imagination, but surely if the PS4 is as incredibly powerful as Sony want us to believe, then why would it be "over stretching" the machine's processor to play older games? I mean, seriously, if the Wii-U can do it, why not the PS4?

And where does this leave certain next-gen titles like (if the rumours are to be believed about it being next-gen) Dragon Age 3, where you really need to import old PS3 save files to get the most out of the game?

kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Totally agree with you on that point. You know how many PS1 games I had the urge to play after getting a PS2? 0. Likewise for the jump from 2 to 3. My PS3 is not going to instantly disappear if I get a PS4, so I'll still be able to break it out if needed (just like my PS2 that's sitting in my closet, unused for 5+ years).

Mr.Mattress:

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kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

Well, since the PS4 Can't play PS3 or PSN games, I'm inclined to say "nope." However, since I do not know if you can transfer your profiles from PS3 to the PS4 (Which I am inclined to also say "Nope."), I am not 100% sure...

PS4 can play PSN games, but you have to re-buy them like you had to with the Wii U and the Wii to have the new functionality and stuff. You just can't carry over the PSN games from your PS3 to your PS4.

I just want to be able to keep my "level" and list of trophies that I have obtained over the years. It would be annoying if it all just "disappeared".

This is a little disappointing, I really want to buy the Persona's off the PSN, but they're the sort of title I'd want to keep around. The promise of it in the future might be good though

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Mr.Mattress:

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Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

Well, since the PS4 Can't play PS3 or PSN games, I'm inclined to say "nope." However, since I do not know if you can transfer your profiles from PS3 to the PS4 (Which I am inclined to also say "Nope."), I am not 100% sure...

PS4 can play PSN games, but you have to re-buy them like you had to with the Wii U and the Wii to have the new functionality and stuff. You just can't carry over the PSN games from your PS3 to your PS4.

I just want to be able to keep my "level" and list of trophies that I have obtained over the years. It would be annoying if it all just "disappeared".

Are you sure about that? From the article it sounded like most PSN titles wouldn't play on the PS4.

The thing is, the PS3 has a super weird design, so any game that runs on it now will have to be altered considerably to play on something else, so I can't imagine PSN titles will run off the bat.

Kmadden2004:
Okay, I know I'm not an IT expert by any stretch of the imagination, but surely if the PS4 is as incredibly powerful as Sony want us to believe, then why would it be "over stretching" the machine's processor to play older games? I mean, seriously, if the Wii-U can do it, why not the PS4?

And where does this leave certain next-gen titles like (if the rumours are to be believed about it being next-gen) Dragon Age 3, where you really need to import old PS3 save files to get the most out of the game?

you'd think that a PC could play old PC games without issue, concidering the requirements from the past are significaly less then they are today. but try to load up an old game without proper emulation will either result in the game not functioning, or a crash. Just because the hardware is more powerful doesn't mean it'll run everything smoothly. Sometimes a machine can be too powerful and overclock settings into an unplayable state. The story is that some titles from the PSN won't be playable "right away" meaning that they are focusing on making sure the launch games arn't buggy and laggy, while saving their "longer lasting" classic titles for another day, when they've ironed out internal emulation.

I blame the PS3 cell processor. Its done nothing but make thing difficult for those making game for the PS3. I'm fine with not being able to play PS3, PS2, or PS1 games but I wonder about digital only PSN games Joe Danger and the like. I'd be bummed if I can't play those.

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PS4 can play PSN games, but you have to re-buy them like you had to with the Wii U and the Wii to have the new functionality and stuff. You just can't carry over the PSN games from your PS3 to your PS4.

I just want to be able to keep my "level" and list of trophies that I have obtained over the years. It would be annoying if it all just "disappeared".

Actually, for the Wii, you can just transfer the stuff to an SD Card, and then transfer that to the WiiU, so you can Transfer games from the Wii to the WiiU, unlike this console. You can also Re-buy on the WiiU, but you don't have to if you can simply transfer it.

Also, the Article says that they plan on releasing the PSN games "At a Later Time", meaning just like the WiiU with it's eShop, the PSN won't be out right at launch. This, coupled with the fact that it can't transfer data, and we don't know if it can transfer Profiles, probably means that your list of trophies and levels will just "Disappear", and that you'd have to start all over.

So if I buy a game on PSN right now, and in about 3 years when my ps3 stops working, I would have to repurchase a DIGITAL copy? Fuck off lol

dragongit:

Kmadden2004:
Okay, I know I'm not an IT expert by any stretch of the imagination, but surely if the PS4 is as incredibly powerful as Sony want us to believe, then why would it be "over stretching" the machine's processor to play older games? I mean, seriously, if the Wii-U can do it, why not the PS4?

And where does this leave certain next-gen titles like (if the rumours are to be believed about it being next-gen) Dragon Age 3, where you really need to import old PS3 save files to get the most out of the game?

you'd think that a PC could play old PC games without issue, concidering the requirements from the past are significaly less then they are today. but try to load up an old game without proper emulation will either result in the game not functioning, or a crash. Just because the hardware is more powerful doesn't mean it'll run everything smoothly. Sometimes a machine can be too powerful and overclock settings into an unplayable state. The story is that some titles from the PSN won't be playable "right away" meaning that they are focusing on making sure the launch games arn't buggy and laggy, while saving their "longer lasting" classic titles for another day, when they've ironed out internal emulation.

Forgive me if I'm getting this wrong, but I've always been led to believe that the problems with running older PC games on new machines are usually an issue with the operating system just not supporting the software, as opposed to "over stretching" processor.

Kmadden2004:

dragongit:

Kmadden2004:
Okay, I know I'm not an IT expert by any stretch of the imagination, but surely if the PS4 is as incredibly powerful as Sony want us to believe, then why would it be "over stretching" the machine's processor to play older games? I mean, seriously, if the Wii-U can do it, why not the PS4?

And where does this leave certain next-gen titles like (if the rumours are to be believed about it being next-gen) Dragon Age 3, where you really need to import old PS3 save files to get the most out of the game?

you'd think that a PC could play old PC games without issue, concidering the requirements from the past are significaly less then they are today. but try to load up an old game without proper emulation will either result in the game not functioning, or a crash. Just because the hardware is more powerful doesn't mean it'll run everything smoothly. Sometimes a machine can be too powerful and overclock settings into an unplayable state. The story is that some titles from the PSN won't be playable "right away" meaning that they are focusing on making sure the launch games arn't buggy and laggy, while saving their "longer lasting" classic titles for another day, when they've ironed out internal emulation.

Forgive me if I'm getting this wrong, but I've always been led to believe that the problems with running older PC games on new machines are usually an issue with the operating system just not supporting the software, as opposed to "over stretching" processor.

Why not both? the PS3 uses cell processing, which many developers hated and couldn't develop for poperly until years later, the PS4 is going back to a more traditional processing architecture. Perhaps the transition doesn't bode well for some games that ran exclusivly on the PS3. Once they have finalized the PS4 and it's functions, they can figure out how to optomize and bring back older games. Imagine if they just tried to tack on emulation without neither figuring out the best way to deal with it's previous processing, could result in laggy games or glitchy games. I'd rather them figure it out and release later down the line then the alternative, unplayable games.

I was starting to get hyped for this console, but now this happens...
The choice of buying a PS4 early or not is getting harder.

Let's clear out all the old games, then get people to buy them again on the new system. What's really sad are all the posters who have no problem with this. I guess the pc will archive all the old console games, so no worries. Keep on shooting Sony, you'll hit your foot one of these days.

I have seen the future of the PS4 and that future is: "slow market penetration"

Since it's shaping up to have some seemingly good looking launch titles, I'm ok with this. Especially since they will be available eventually.

Backwards compatibility isn't so much of an issue these days, especially since the generation gap between system X and system X+1 is getting larger with each release.
When the Gamecube came out, the tech was so much more advanced than the N64, that it wouldn't make sense to make N64 games playable on the Gamecube. When the Wii was released, the technology gap wasn't as large as the gap between the N64 and the Gamecube, so allowing Gamecube games to be played on the Wii was not a big deal at all. Just a little hardware tweaking and adjusting, and you can play all your old Gamecube games on your Wii. I'm not positive, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could even play Gamecube games on the Wii U.

Sony on the other hand, shits the bed on this every single time. A lot of PS1 games couldn't play on the PS2 because of "hardware", same with a lot of PS2 games on the PS3. I remember a friend trying to play Kingdom Hearts 1 on his PS3 and the saves getting corrupted every second day, it was hilarious and sad at the same time.

I think it would be great if developers would just allow you to create an account with them, and save all your files and games to that account. Whenever you purchase a game, a digital copy comes with it and is instantly saved to that account. You can then use this account for any system they create, you just use the digital copy from that account. One downside to this, is that if you lose access to your account somehow, you're fucked. Another downside would be sharing, it would have to be set up so you can't just transfer your account to other systems and then share all your games to that console. But thats just thinking about how many feathers an unhatched chick will have.

Overall, I'm not surprised that PS4 will be stupid with the PSN.

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kiri2tsubasa:
Not really going to be a problem since I will be buying a PS4 for PS4 games. Backwards comparability is a complete irrelevancy to me.

Same here. I don't know why people complain a lot about these things. My Question is, "Will my Trophies/Account carry over?"

We'll you're 100% in the minority. You're trying to protect your virtual achievements and your account (I can understand the account bit). Most people don't care about trophies. What they do care about is their own financial investments in games that they've bought. I buy a game for the PS3, I still want to play it for years and years.
Who wants to keep their PS3 when buying a PS4? That's stupid. The PS4 will clearly be able to run PS3 games (gameplay wise), they've announced the streaming service where you'll be able to stream PS3 games. A lot of people bought a lot of games on the PSN, and they shouldn't lose them. I can understand not being able to play PS3 games (as in to run off of disks). The consoles are too different and I accept that. But digital downloads are different.

Thaaaat suuuucks aaaass!

I know this can be seen as a small issue, but all these small issues, like backwards compatability, keep compounding on one another till it becomes a giant swarm of annoyance.

You'd better bring the bacon but good, Sony, if you want me to look past this.

Well that settles it. If I ever do get a PS4, it'll be waaaay down the line after a price drop. Nothing shown at that announcement last night really wowed me anyway.

The lack of backwards compatibility I can somewhat understand(but if they expect people to repurchase games they already own they can go straight to hell)but not getting to keep all our PSN games is complete bullshit. Instead we get Facebook integration, a service I'll never use.

Woo hoo.

fwiffo:
Let's clear out all the old games, then get people to buy them again on the new system. What's really sad are all the posters who have no problem with this. I guess the pc will archive all the old console games, so no worries. Keep on shooting Sony, you'll hit your foot one of these days.

Hell yeah. Hopefully we get some good PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii emulators for PC so we can finally replay (or play) all those games.
I think this is the generation where I leave the consoles. I've been trying to hang on to my 360 and my Wii but I just can't gather much enthusiasm for the PS4 or Wii U. Sure the games look good, but the companies are throwing away their player base by not transferring digital purchases/inviting people to buy them again (I'm looking at you Wii U virtual console) while digital downloads are a huge part of this past generation.
I guess Sony is telling people that they'll have PSN transfers eventually. That's ok.
I think the last straw will be if Microsoft doesn't allow for transferring from the 360 to whatever the hell they're making. I've had a 360 for 5-6 years and I've probably bought hundreds of dollars worth of Downloadable materials.

The only reason I bought a PS3 was for the older games I enjoyed way back when. I don't wish to re-purchase them. And I'm still waiting on Secret Of Mana and Secret Of Evermore. So, for the time being...

If PS4 supported all my PSN games (many came from PS+) then I could deactivate one PS3 to free up a slot. Sony better increase the amount of consoles I can activate under my account if I am going to have to keep my PS3 hooked up.

dragongit:

you'd think that a PC could play old PC games without issue, concidering the requirements from the past are significaly less then they are today. but try to load up an old game without proper emulation will either result in the game not functioning, or a crash. Just because the hardware is more powerful doesn't mean it'll run everything smoothly. Sometimes a machine can be too powerful and overclock settings into an unplayable state. The story is that some titles from the PSN won't be playable "right away" meaning that they are focusing on making sure the launch games arn't buggy and laggy, while saving their "longer lasting" classic titles for another day, when they've ironed out internal emulation.

The PC does pretty well for keeping games running though for the long history of the x86 architecture. Even so, it can take a lot of effort to bring old games up to speed, hence why I enjoy Gog so much.

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