PlayStation 4 Abandons Backwards Compatibility

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PlayStation 4 Abandons Backwards Compatibility

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Don't go trading in that PS3 any time soon, because they won't work on the PS4.

While Sony remained quiet regarding the PS4's ability to play older PS3, PS2, or PS1 games during its official event last night, the company has now made things perfectly clear: The PlayStation 4 will not have backwards compatibility built into the system. Speaking with journalists during a roundtable session, President of Sony Worldwide Studios, Shuhei Yoshida laid the out the facts.

"No backwards compatibility. You can quote me on that," Yoshida stated, noting that in the future the console could conceivably accomplish the task through either cloud services or software emulation, but that such talk is completely hypothetical at this point.

The PlayStation 4 - unlike the PS2 and PS3 before it - will not support native backwards compatibility out of the gate. Of course, the PS3 later dropped the feature, so there was really no reason to think the PS4 would be any different. This means that if you want to keep your collection of physical PS3 game discs in your software library, you'll need to hang onto the system itself as well.

Source: Polygon

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That's pretty damn lame. Oh well, hopefully somewhere down the line they'll make a super tiny version of the PS3 and sell it for super cheap like they did with the PS2.

The PS3 still has PS1 compatibility right? Does the PS4? I mean, it's just a matter of emulation with the PS1, right?

Not even PS1 backwards compatibility? Huh.

Besides that, color me completely unsurprised.

Well I can see why it'd take the wind out of the sails for some people but I'm yet to trade a system in (case in point: I have a Wii, Wii U and GameCube all hooked up at the flick of a switch, why you ask? Because sometimes emulation isn't perfect and I'm a gigantic loser. :3)

Like I said in another thread, Sony just does not want my support. Heres hoping the PS4 fails at first so they can fix all of these problems people are having with it. Till them, no sale from me.

Can't say I'm surprised and I would be surprised if backwards compatibility would be on the PS4.

Good thing I don't plan on getting rid of my PS3.

Fappy:
That's pretty damn lame. Oh well, hopefully somewhere down the line they'll make a super tiny version of the PS3 and sell it for super cheap like they did with the PS2.

They might, and that would be a good gesture on Sony's part. At this point, all we can do is wait until E3 for the rest of the details concerning this thing.

Well, it's not like we couldn't see that coming.

Not the worst thing, I guess, but somehow I wish buying a new console wouldn't feel so much like a forced relocation.

Yeah, no.
They have no excuse not to have a ps2 software emulator with all the processing power that thing has.
But then again, why have that out of the box on day 1 and give me an actual reason to consider getting that thing to finally replace my ps2.

So much for "Everything Everywhere"

For crying out loud, did Sony learn nothing from the Vita? This is the reason the Vita is constantly being out sold by the PSP.

And I await the announcement that you can buy PS2 and 3 Classics on the PSN store. Why make it backwards compatible when you can sell it to them again?

PS4, not even bothering to advance the gaming media. QUALITY.

Fuck that. I'm sure you'll be able to buy new digital copies on the PSN store though. Assholes.

I don't think I've heard anything good about the PS4 so far. And as someone who really likes their PS3 that really bums me out.

Yeah, I'm pretty much done with this console generation. The PS4 was really the only thing I was interested in, since I refuse to buy Microsoft's next console. If I do get one, it won't be until many years down the road and after a price drop.

The lack of backwards compatibility on its own is pretty bad, but not being allowed to keep your games you bought on PSN? Yeah both those things combined are a major deal breaker for me.

But at least we have useless social media features shoved in where we don't need them.

Well F#@% you to sony. If the company wants to make money, wouldn't backwards compatable make it more competitive? And the whole PSN purchases not transfering over? The hell sony? I have no reason to upgrade to an 'entertainment wise' inferior product.

If Sony releases it without backwards compatibility people will bitch about that.

If Sony had released the PS4 with backwards compatibility it would have raised the price and people would bitch about that.

You just can't win with those kinds of people. I'm aware we still don't know how much the PS4 will cost but building PS3 hardware into it would not be free.

They pretty much did mention it in the conference, but they also mentioned that they hopefully aim to have a streaming service that will stream PS1/2/3/N games onto various devices including, presumably, the PS4

PS4 also won't give you access to your PSN games.

VanQQisH:

You just can't win with those kinds of people. I'm aware we still don't know how much the PS4 will cost but building PS3 hardware into it would not be free.

No reason they couldn't do what the Wii-U does with the Wii which is OS and Software emulation rather than hardware emulation like the 60gig PS3s did. The PS4 has the power to easily play PS1, PS2, and PSN games through emulation and probably PS3 games if they wanted to. Instead they're opting to try and push their cloud-gaming service which, for anyone who's tried previous attempts at cloud gaming, is not good.

Well......shit. Although my PS3 is backwards compatible I'm worried that it may be on its way out soon. Honest question though.......why not? I mean it's not like the backwards compatibility would be hard for them to implement right?

PS1 mips cpu

PS2 mips cpu (backwards compatibility with PS1 super easy)

PS3 Power cpu (backwards compatibility only possible with PS2 with PS2 cpu included result increased cost = complaints of it's too expensive so it's dropped and sales increase).

PS4 X86 cpu (same as with PS3-PS2 only possible with additional hardware and increase in cost so they don't bother as people complaining on the internet does not effect sales cost does :)

Annnnnnnnd...(face hits computer desk) *Sigh*

Well, guess I won't be buying one at launch then. Throw in the fact that the PSN isn't transferring over right away, and that's two of the three things I was hoping for down the drain.

(Looks to Microsoft) Your move. Do this right, and I'll buy yours first.

Sylveria:
PS4 also won't give you access to your PSN games.

VanQQisH:

You just can't win with those kinds of people. I'm aware we still don't know how much the PS4 will cost but building PS3 hardware into it would not be free.

No reason they couldn't do what the Wii-U does with the Wii which is OS and Software emulation rather than hardware emulation like the 60gig PS3s did. The PS4 has the power to easily play PS1, PS2, and PSN games through emulation and probably PS3 games if they wanted to. Instead they're opting to try and push their cloud-gaming service which, for anyone who's tried previous attempts at cloud gaming, is not good.

WiiU and the Wii have cpu's based on the same architecture (POWER look it up) so backwards compatibility is easy PS4 uses X86, the PS3 POWER and PS2/ MIPS plus all 3 use different GPU's that makes full software emulation impossible.

The 60GB PS3 still needed the PS2 GPU it only replaced the PS2 CPU with emulation.

The PS4 CPU 8 jaguar cores are slower in some metrics than the CELL processor in fact only the 6 core intel CPU's have any chance of surpassing a CELL in all metrics and they start at over $400 on their own.

I don't think anybody should be surprised by this. The only way the Playstation 4 could be a decent improvement on the the Playstation 3 whilst keeping within the price bracket of a launch console is to move to a well established PC architecture, and when changing architecture, you need to recompile everything from scratch, i.e. games need to be republished at the publisher's expense.

It's keep your soon-to-be-worthless in resale PS3 in a cupboard somewhere, or pay beyond-console prices for an upgraded Cell processor.

Edit: also, the cell processor is not more powerful than anything like a desktop core i5 upwards. A Processor which cost $200 5 years ago is not better than a recent processor of the same price range. IF that were true, PC gaming *would* be dead.

People remember the PS3 fat, how it was backwards compatable, bulky, and 600 dollars? Would you perfer if Sony released the PS4 and tacked on a mini PS3 inside of it, at the cost of another 600 dollars? They cut it out because compatability issues because the PS3's architecture was unusual with it's processing cells. Developers didn't know what to do with it. So as they progressed to this new generation, I assume PS3 games wern't simply working outright on the new rig. BluRay discs in and of themselves will hopefully still work, but the way games are read may be different.

People dont' seem to bitch how current PS3s can't do backwards compatability. People will just find any reason to bitch for the sake of bitching. I get it, you want to have all in one like they promised. Perhaps they will devise a system using cloud gaming where we can "rent" games. Subscribe to a service like netflix or in this case, the PSN+ and with a specific fee, can play a library of games so long as the subscription persists. For the sake of owning games we still have our old consoles. I get some people want to trade them in for the sake of a new console, but sony decided that improving the core system and the games that it will be designed to play would be the focus, instead of making sure the library of games would be open during it's transitional period. Agreed that it will make first day perchases more limited, though it could potentially save us a lot of money from them trying to "fix" the backwards compatability issue.

I'm going to be keeping my PS3 for the time being, I still own my old PS1 and 2, and when I want to play those games I lug them out and play on them. If I recall the Xbox360 had horrendus backwards compatability, and people arn't bitching about it anymore. This will be the same. If you want to wait for a price drop, go right ahead, don't count this system completely out until it's been released, maybe it's launch lineup will be good enough to warrent a buy.

Pretty much what I figured was going to happen, it allows them to re-sell things people already own. If they take the PS-3 out of circulation it's an even bigger coup for them, if people ever want to play older games.

That said my old Backwards compadible PS-3 is still kicking, I've got a PS-2 in reserve/storage, and when the price drops I'll probably now have to put another PS-3 into storage. [sighs]

This kind of greed is what's killing the industry to me. Why make a system backwards compadible, when you can wait a few years and charge people another pile of money to re-buy games they already purchused....

No mentioning of GaiKai then? The thing that they mentioned last night would be a possibility for streaming all the old games?

I'm getting pretty tired of consoles pulling shit like this.
Screw it, I think I'll just stick to PC this generation.

loa:
Yeah, no.
They have no excuse not to have a ps2 software emulator with all the processing power that thing has.
But then again, why have that out of the box on day 1 and give me an actual reason to consider getting that thing to finally replace my ps2.

It's not just a matter of processing power, it's a matter of hardware. The Playstation 4 is using very different tech from the PS3, and while that does mean the PS4 will be more powerful than the PS3, it also means that making games meant for the PS2 and PS3 work on the system is a major drain on time and money. If anything, avoiding backwards compatibility may be the difference between whether or not the system is affordable, though obviously we can't know for sure since Sony hasn't announced a price yet.

I think people are getting a little bit too angry about this. I understand how important backwards compatibility is to people, but it's not like the PS4 is gonna come out, and all previous Sony consoles will instantly stop working. No one's stopping you from playing PS3 games on your PS3.

Ghonzor:
I'm getting pretty tired of consoles pulling shit like this.
Screw it, I think I'll just stick to PC this generation.

If your computer can currently be described as mid-range, you're good to go.

jericu:
It's not just a matter of processing power, it's a matter of hardware.

If my 5 year old computer can run a bloody ps2 emulator, the ps4 should very well be able to do the same.
There is no excuse.

Ehh I don't get rid of my old consoles anyway, so no backwards compatibilty isn't too much of a problem for me. Sure it's more convenient to be able to use the newer console instead of reconnecting the old one, but that's really not too much trouble.

You know the gaming community makes such a big deal over backwards compatibility but they seem to forget that the PS2 was really the only console that offered it. (not counting the Wii, but then I prefer to pretend that there were no new Nintendo consoles after the GameCube)

ps1, ps2, ps3 were all cell based, ps4 is going to be pc based for the first time.

being pc based it is entirely possible some of the emulators might be able to be run on it, think pcsx runs on windows and linux already.

running cell based ps3 games on a pc based system would take heavy emulation, maybe pcs could do it in a few years using quad+ cores and the like and given enough time and effort to recreate the cell processor functions and memory functions of the ps3, hence why the ps4 just might not be powerful enough, or just take too much effort on sonys part given the specs of the thing, to effectively emulate all the complexities of the ps3 in the background while running a game.

could be they just want to resell your old games in ps4 hd format later on for 20 bucks or w/e.

try running the heavier games like mgs snake eater and etc in pcsx2 on pc in high res and it takes a pretty beefy super pc to not chug emulating the ps2 heavy graphics games.

Why is everyone so livid about this? Software emulation is glitchy garbage and hardware emulation adds a lot to production costs. Back in 2006 Sony made sure their new media box played every frisbee with a Sony logo on it and that made them charge $600 for it, which hit them with market share loss and insultingly hilarious internet memes for the first fews years. The Vita has too much crap that adds to the cost that in reality is just a gimmick that will be used once or twice just to check it out. Maybe Sony is slowly starting to learn
from that.

I know some are on a budget and want to trade in something for another thing that serves the original's purpose and does more. If I wanted a PS4 day one and it had backwards compatibility I might trade in my underused PS3 because I'm tight on cash right now and have little room in my cabinet for more stuff, especially 2 dumbass convex-topped boxes.(Please Sony don't design crap like that again; you're shiny logo is jammed right under a shelf anyway.)

But, think about this: PS4 was BC and people traded in their PS3s for it, now what little you can get in trade-in value is going to drop a lot as surplus used PS3s pile up in the game store's stockrooms if they would still accept them after getting a certain amount. Right now PS3 trade in prices should not plummet because a new system is on the horizon. My opinion is the loss of value in that economic snafu is not worth getting a new system with few games and possibly losing playability with some games because of oversighted hardware issues or glitches because Sony isn't gonna test the entire PS3 library.

Plus, Nintendo's first console with BC out of the box was the Wii and now they dropped gamecube support from the Wii U because that would have added at least to development costs. They realized that they needed to cut some fat, otherwise the price would have been higher than what they thought would sell the Wii U.

Well seems like I'm not going to bother with any of the next generation consoles. I can understand their not including backwards compatibility (though I disagree with that) what gets me is how the actual games have become more of an afterthought compared to social networking.

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