BioWare Says Farewell With Mass Effect 3: Citadel and Reckoning

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While I'm excited for this, I've been hurt so many times by BioWare that I'm afraid to love again. While they've done so many purely awesome things in the past, as of late, they've been fucking up a whole lot (Deception, Paragon Lost, Omega, the comics [very hit and miss there], and that which shall not be named).

Then again, THE DREAM TEAM SHALL REUNITE!!... if I can ever afford the $15... and if this isn't a waste of time like Omega.

Hmm, have they still not taken the fanfiction lifeline that is the Indoctination Theory? Seriously, it's the best thing that has come about from this whole debacle. I'd take it if I were you guys. Say it was your plan from the start. Surely your writers can't be that bad?

I was thinking of getting Omega for my FemShep playthrough but I might just wait to see what the other stuff is like. I've heard people weren't that thrilled by Omega either, differing opinions at least. I got over the ending pretty quickly, I was only depressed for 7 days! C'mon guys the entire game bar the last 5 minutes was awesome. Try not to forget that ya know?

Kermi:
Are people still whining about the fucking ending? Holy shit, you'd think Bioware made you watch while they fucked your mothers or something.

WELL THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE! THEY HAVE BETRAYED OUR TRUST AS FANS OF THE MASS EFFECT FRANCHISE

*ahem*

Sorry, sorry. Felt like roleplaying a bit there. :3

Mausthemighty:
Ok, Bioware.. I still had hope you would really fix the mess you made with the ending. I guess it was a fool's hope.
I will delete Mass Effect and Dragon Age from my computer and get on with my life. I don't care about you anymore. I wish you all the best.

It's a shame. Mass Effect could have been the Star Wars of our generation.

You care so little you made a post about it. And I'll point you to the EC. Which is more than I can say for Fallout 3 where they forced me to pay $15 for the real ending.

Just to be clear I am not bitching about the ending. I did hate it at first but the updated version fixed my major issues with it.

I have zero desire to play any DLC for Mass Effect 3 despite playing all DLC for Mass Effect 1 and 2. Unless the DLC happens after the ending of the game, then to me there is no point. We know now that the choices made in any of the DLC wont effect how it turns out. You will still pick ending 1 2 or 3 and that's that.

Adam Jensen:

Legion:
I am not suggesting it should be free, but such extreme gratitude for it seems a little excessive considering it isn't.

It seems like there is no middle ground when it comes to Bioware. You have extremists on both sides. People who absolutely despise Bioware and everything they do even when they do something good, and people who love Bioware so much they are willing to defend them to death.

As somebody who used to frequent the BSN I know exactly what you mean. It's one of the reasons I got so fed up with the place. If you say anything good about them the haters bitch at you and call you a Biodrone. Say anything bad and you are a whiny and entitled child who should be grateful for what you get.

It's not a place for people who have mixed opinions at all it seems.

I hope we get another chance to punch Khalisah BINT Sinan al-Jilani.

That sounds cool that Shepard can furnish his living quarters on the station. It is going to be cool having Wrex as a squad-mate again.

DRTJR:
From the depths of space needs to return Zaeed, one of the most BAMF individuals to have ever walked.

Unlikely to happen seeing as his voice actor died.

OT: I dunno how I feel about this. On the one hand my plan was to wait for all the DLC to come out so I can play through it all at once. Buttttt on the other I've basically lost all enthusiasm for the series after the ending and given the quality of the DLCs given the cost I don't think it'll be worth it. I'll probably have to wait for more details before I get excited.

And so it the show is finally over for Mass Effect 3. It ends not with a bang nor a whimper, but a shrug and a "Eeeeeeeeh, okay...?"

Ilikemilkshake:

I dunno how I feel about this. On the one hand my plan was to wait for all the DLC to come out so I can play through it all at once. Buttttt on the other I've basically lost all enthusiasm for the series after the ending and given the quality of the DLCs given the cost I don't think it'll be worth it. I'll probably have to wait for more details before I get excited.

I know exactly how you feel. That ending has completely sapped my appreciation for the whole trilogy. It's hard to imagine one single misstep like that could destroy a whole series... They can release DLC until the end of days, and it still wouldn't fix anything.

I mean, I've tried. I've really tried to get into it again. And when I do, i find that the combat is still really good, the action is still good, and the story is still good.... until I think about what awaits at the end of the journey, and all enthusiasm just drains away into nothing.

I've seen a lot of bad endings in games over the years, but never has one caused me to feel like this about a whole franchise before.

Kermi:
Are people still whining about the fucking ending? Holy shit, you'd think Bioware made you watch while they fucked your mothers or something.

Did you HAVE to word to word it like that?

And still people insist on whining about the ending.
Gearbox releases Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines; no lasting heat.
People thought that the last ten minutes of Mass Effect Three was subpar; the bitching will never stop.

Radoh:
And still people insist on whining about the ending.
Gearbox releases Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines; nearly no lasting heat.
People thought that the last ten minutes of Mass Effect Three was subpar; the bitching will never stop.

It was fucking horrible, not subpar.
Gearbox has to release a third awful game. BioWare got a free ride on Dragon Age II and The Old Republic.

RT:

Radoh:
And still people insist on whining about the ending.
Gearbox releases Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines; nearly no lasting heat.
People thought that the last ten minutes of Mass Effect Three was subpar; the bitching will never stop.

It was fucking horrible, not subpar.
Gearbox has to release a third awful game. BioWare got a free ride on Dragon Age II and The Old Republic.

Yeah, a free pass for Dragon Age II and The Old Republic, right.
It's not like mentioning DAII sparks an instant flame war anywhere on the internet, and The Old Republic is still moderately well received.
Try again though, I'm really interested in having this discussion again, it's been all of two days since I saw the last METhree vicious slap fight thread.

Radoh:

RT:

Radoh:
And still people insist on whining about the ending.
Gearbox releases Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines; nearly no lasting heat.
People thought that the last ten minutes of Mass Effect Three was subpar; the bitching will never stop.

It was fucking horrible, not subpar.
Gearbox has to release a third awful game. BioWare got a free ride on Dragon Age II and The Old Republic.

Yeah, a free pass for Dragon Age II and The Old Republic, right.
It's not like mentioning DAII sparks an instant flame war anywhere on the internet, and The Old Republic is still moderately well received.
Try again though, I'm really interested in having this discussion again, it's been all of two days since I saw the last METhree vicious slap fight thread.

Then again, DNF is rubbed in Gearbox' face to this day and Colonial Marines is too fresh to judge it's effect on the overall reputation. Besides, Gearbox also released Borderlands and Borderlands 2, which are pretty popular and well-received, while BioWare's releases after Mass Effect 2 (which itself was fairly alarming, but was still damn good) were nothing but a cavalcade of failure.

RT:

Radoh:

Yeah, a free pass for Dragon Age II and The Old Republic, right.
It's not like mentioning DAII sparks an instant flame war anywhere on the internet, and The Old Republic is still moderately well received.
Try again though, I'm really interested in having this discussion again, it's been all of two days since I saw the last METhree vicious slap fight thread.

Then again, DNF is rubbed in Gearbox' face to this day and Colonial Marines is too fresh to judge it's effect on the overall reputation. Besides, Gearbox also released Borderlands and Borderlands 2, which are pretty popular and well-received, while BioWare's releases after Mass Effect 2 (which itself was fairly alarming, but was still damn good) were nothing but a cavalcade of failure.

Okay, clearly you missed the sarcasm in my previous statement. I'm not actually interested in having this discussion again, or being involved in another vicious slap fight thread.

Radoh:

RT:

Radoh:

Yeah, a free pass for Dragon Age II and The Old Republic, right.
It's not like mentioning DAII sparks an instant flame war anywhere on the internet, and The Old Republic is still moderately well received.
Try again though, I'm really interested in having this discussion again, it's been all of two days since I saw the last METhree vicious slap fight thread.

Then again, DNF is rubbed in Gearbox' face to this day and Colonial Marines is too fresh to judge it's effect on the overall reputation. Besides, Gearbox also released Borderlands and Borderlands 2, which are pretty popular and well-received, while BioWare's releases after Mass Effect 2 (which itself was fairly alarming, but was still damn good) were nothing but a cavalcade of failure.

Okay, clearly you missed the sarcasm in my previous statement. I'm not actually interested in having this discussion again, or being involved in another vicious slap fight thread.

I didn't miss it, I just didn't bother to pay attention - if you can't stand the heat, stay outta the kitchen.

Hur dur, I won't play it cus the ending sucked!

Yeah, but the other 95% of the game was awesome, and they're selling more of that. I called Omega for being a time waster and it's why I didn't buy it. This on the other hand, sounds fun.

RT:

Radoh:

Okay, clearly you missed the sarcasm in my previous statement. I'm not actually interested in having this discussion again, or being involved in another vicious slap fight thread.

I didn't miss it, I just didn't bother to pay attention - if you can't stand the heat, stay outta the kitchen.

Seriously? This has got to be a joke.
Seriously.
Fine then, if you want to do this so badly.
DNF is never brought up, it's swept under the rug for the most part with any threads dedicated to it not being set aflame with Gearbox hate. As for Colonial Marines being too fresh to judge it on reputation? Top sellers list on Steam from Preorders and then tanking due to outright lying on Gearbox's part with Pitchford going and trying to stir shit up with people who reviewed it poorly, and the forums are not alight with hate.
Still too soon to judge my ass, if this was a Bioware production the forums would be burning for three weeks, minimum.

jthm:
Hur dur, I won't play it cus the ending sucked!

Yeah, but the other 95% of the game was awesome, and they're selling more of that. I called Omega for being a time waster and it's why I didn't buy it. This on the other hand, sounds fun.

Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Sounds lovely. It's kind of predictable since everybody was asking for something like this, but still lovely.

Also, I'm given to understand that Robin Sachs (Zaeed's VA who recently passed away) recorded lines for this before he died. Let's hope it was a nice send-off.

I'll end up getting it, cause I'm apparently a moron. But it better be better than Omega, cause that SUCKED.

The MP dlc looks fun. I can't wait to wreck shit with a giant hammer.

RT:

jthm:
Hur dur, I won't play it cus the ending sucked!

Yeah, but the other 95% of the game was awesome, and they're selling more of that. I called Omega for being a time waster and it's why I didn't buy it. This on the other hand, sounds fun.

Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Saying they were building up to the endings is like saying your life is building up to your death. While it's true that Death is at the end of it, is that all that mattered in the end? None of what you did or memorable experiences counts for anything, it's just the endings?

RT:

jthm:
Hur dur, I won't play it cus the ending sucked!

Yeah, but the other 95% of the game was awesome, and they're selling more of that. I called Omega for being a time waster and it's why I didn't buy it. This on the other hand, sounds fun.

Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Okay here's a fun little exercise for you.
What game doesn't lead up to the ending?
You know what, let's make that easier for you, what game, book, movie, or show doesn't lead up to the ending?
Any story will progress until it reaches the end, and everything that comes before that is not rendered meaningless by coming to the conclusion.

Radoh:

RT:

Radoh:

Okay, clearly you missed the sarcasm in my previous statement. I'm not actually interested in having this discussion again, or being involved in another vicious slap fight thread.

I didn't miss it, I just didn't bother to pay attention - if you can't stand the heat, stay outta the kitchen.

Seriously? This has got to be a joke.
Seriously.
Fine then, if you want to do this so badly.
DNF is never brought up, it's swept under the rug for the most part with any threads dedicated to it not being set aflame with Gearbox hate. As for Colonial Marines being too fresh to judge it on reputation? Top sellers list on Steam from Preorders and then tanking due to outright lying on Gearbox's part with Pitchford going and trying to stir shit up with people who reviewed it poorly, and the forums are not alight with hate.
Still too soon to judge my ass, if this was a Bioware production the forums would be burning for three weeks, minimum.

You just brought it up, didn't you? So do many people, who are talking about the Colonial Marines fiasco. Plus, DNF has an excuse in that it wasn't mostly developed Gearbox - they just patched it up until it was (allegedly) playable and released it.
I was talking about the overall reputation of Gearbox. Things weren't looking that ugly for BW at first too, but well, you know the situation.
Again - BioWare had three bad games. The last one was a very big one, that inspired a fucking charity, just so they patched the suck out of it. Which they outright refused to do just because that's how they roll. The hate was building up since the very beginning, the ending was just a big red button that blew everything up. The on-disc one-day DLC that you could access by changing some parameters in your files, cheap-ass collector's editions, stupid changes, et cetera. The endings broke the camel's back.
Gearbox had one game they didn't really make and one despicable abomination not big enough to warrant ME3 levels of hate. No, they do deserve the hate, mind you, creating a fucking cartoon and calling it "gameplay footage" to sell your shit is the stuff of legends, so is outsourcing the game you were contracted to make to some numbnuts, but it doesn't mean BioWare deserves less. It's like "Yeah, he murdered dozens of people, but at least he's not Hitler".

RT:

Radoh:

Seriously? This has got to be a joke.
Seriously.
Fine then, if you want to do this so badly.
DNF is never brought up, it's swept under the rug for the most part with any threads dedicated to it not being set aflame with Gearbox hate. As for Colonial Marines being too fresh to judge it on reputation? Top sellers list on Steam from Preorders and then tanking due to outright lying on Gearbox's part with Pitchford going and trying to stir shit up with people who reviewed it poorly, and the forums are not alight with hate.
Still too soon to judge my ass, if this was a Bioware production the forums would be burning for three weeks, minimum.

You just brought it up, didn't you? So do many people, who are talking about the Colonial Marines fiasco. Plus, DNF has an excuse in that it wasn't mostly developed Gearbox - they just patched it up until it was (allegedly) playable and released it.
I was talking about the overall reputation of Gearbox. Things weren't looking that ugly for BW at first too, but well, you know the situation.
Again - BioWare had three bad games. The last one was a very big one, that inspired a fucking charity, just so they patched the suck out of it. Which they outright refused to do just because that's how they roll. The hate was building up since the very beginning, the ending was just a big red button that blew everything up. The on-disc one-day DLC that you could access by changing some parameters in your files, cheap-ass collector's editions, stupid changes, et cetera. The endings broke the camel's back.
Gearbox had one game they didn't really make and one despicable abomination not big enough to warrant ME3 levels of hate. No, they do deserve the hate, mind you, creating a fucking cartoon and calling it "gameplay footage" to sell your shit is the stuff of legends, so is outsourcing the game you were contracted to make to some numbnuts, but it doesn't mean BioWare deserves less. It's like "Yeah, he murdered dozens of people, but at least he's not Hitler".

And there we have it, Godwin's Law has been enacted everyone, we're done here, go home.

jthm:

RT:

jthm:
Hur dur, I won't play it cus the ending sucked!

Yeah, but the other 95% of the game was awesome, and they're selling more of that. I called Omega for being a time waster and it's why I didn't buy it. This on the other hand, sounds fun.

Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Saying they were building up to the endings is like saying your life is building up to your death. While it's true that Death is at the end of it, is that all that mattered in the end? None of what you did or memorable experiences counts for anything, it's just the endings?

Tali's suicide and ME3's horrible main theme were memorable, but aside from that - yeah, only the endings.

Okay here's a fun little exercise for you.
What game doesn't lead up to the ending?
You know what, let's make that easier for you, what game, book, movie, or show doesn't lead up to the ending?
Any story will progress until it reaches the end, and everything that comes before that is not rendered meaningless by coming to the conclusion.

Tetris.
Ever seen Pulp Fiction?

RT:

jthm:

RT:
Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Saying they were building up to the endings is like saying your life is building up to your death. While it's true that Death is at the end of it, is that all that mattered in the end? None of what you did or memorable experiences counts for anything, it's just the endings?

Tali's suicide and ME3's horrible main theme were memorable, but aside from that - yeah, only the endings.

Okay here's a fun little exercise for you.
What game doesn't lead up to the ending?
You know what, let's make that easier for you, what game, book, movie, or show doesn't lead up to the ending?
Any story will progress until it reaches the end, and everything that comes before that is not rendered meaningless by coming to the conclusion.

Tetris.
Ever seen Pulp Fiction?

Do please regale us with the tale of Tetris' story, I'm dying to hear it.
Wait, never mind, you don't get sarcasm.
As for Pulp Fiction, I must have missed the part where it continued on after the end of the movie.

I'm gonna wait for this to go on sale, I'm eventually going to replay the whole trilogy since I missed a few parts but I'm pretty much done with the mp

RT:

jthm:

RT:
Yeah, that's what I probably should quote in the "Opinions you don't understand" thread. Those other 95% were building up to the ending. As were two previous games.

Saying they were building up to the endings is like saying your life is building up to your death. While it's true that Death is at the end of it, is that all that mattered in the end? None of what you did or memorable experiences counts for anything, it's just the endings?

Tali's suicide and ME3's horrible main theme were memorable, but aside from that - yeah, only the endings.

Okay here's a fun little exercise for you.
What game doesn't lead up to the ending?
You know what, let's make that easier for you, what game, book, movie, or show doesn't lead up to the ending?
Any story will progress until it reaches the end, and everything that comes before that is not rendered meaningless by coming to the conclusion.

Tetris.
Ever seen Pulp Fiction?

Implying that video games follow the same rules of narrative and purpose that books, movies and shows do.

I read a book, watch a movie or go see a show to be conveyed a story. I play a game to have fun. Number one and chief goal of that game is to enjoy the actions I'm putting into it, because it isn't a passive medium. Story is secondary. This is why fighting games are fun. The stories are crap, but we still play them because they're fun.

Spend time with the characters you love and make it that much more painful when you have to sit through the ending again.

Shepard's story is over and has been for the last year.

i just hope i get to play with jack again, i miss my psychotic biotic Tsundere waifu... that would definitely motivate me to finish my game

Kermi:
Are people still whining about the fucking ending? Holy shit, you'd think Bioware made you watch while they fucked your mothers or something.

You know what I love about comments like this? If we were all singing the ending's praises, saying how great it was and how much we enjoyed it, and thanked Bioware a million times for this great end to a great trilogy, no one would be saying things like "Are people still celebrating over this fucking ending? Holy Shit, you'd think Bioware just ended world hunger or something."

So, it's fine if people are complimenting a game, but if they are expressing their dissatisfaction with a game that's not good,? Let them talk about the ending, good or bad. Don't like it? Don't read the comment, or just ignore it.

OT: I personally will just wait until people post videos of this DLC on yahoo. It's what I did with the last two. I'll get to skip the combat and such, while seeing the content of the DLC. And save myself $15.

jthm:

RT:

jthm:

Saying they were building up to the endings is like saying your life is building up to your death. While it's true that Death is at the end of it, is that all that mattered in the end? None of what you did or memorable experiences counts for anything, it's just the endings?

Tali's suicide and ME3's horrible main theme were memorable, but aside from that - yeah, only the endings.

Okay here's a fun little exercise for you.
What game doesn't lead up to the ending?
You know what, let's make that easier for you, what game, book, movie, or show doesn't lead up to the ending?
Any story will progress until it reaches the end, and everything that comes before that is not rendered meaningless by coming to the conclusion.

Tetris.
Ever seen Pulp Fiction?

Implying that video games follow the same rules of narrative and purpose that books, movies and shows do.

I read a book, watch a movie or go see a show to be conveyed a story. I play a game to have fun. Number one and chief goal of that game is to enjoy the actions I'm putting into it, because it isn't a passive medium. Story is secondary. This is why fighting games are fun. The stories are crap, but we still play them because they're fun.

But then you go to games that are heavily story-driven and rely on story to be fun and oh crap, suddenly the rules apply again. Mass Effect has - had - nothing but the story and characters (and even those weren't terribly original), the shooting was unremarkable and roleplaying mechanics were laughable. The story and the way player could influence it, and the way the consequences carried over - this is what matters. Mattered.

Radoh:

Do please regale us with the tale of Tetris' story, I'm dying to hear it.
Wait, never mind, you don't get sarcasm.
As for Pulp Fiction, I must have missed the part where it continued on after the end of the movie.

We were talking about story or games building up to the ending?
Wait, never mind, I'm talking to a MLP fan.
As for Pulp Fiction, you might have missed the point of what I was saying (as you usually do). Pulp Fiction's storytelling is non-linear. The ending doesn't really matter, nothing was building up to it.

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