Deus Ex Will Be a "Cyberpunk Movie"

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Deus Ex Will Be a "Cyberpunk Movie"

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The writer and director of the upcoming Deus Ex film say they're going to dodge the curse of videogame movies by not making a videogame movie.

We (or at least, I) first learned that a film based on Deus Ex: Human Revolution is in the works back in November of 2012. But the excitement of seeing a franchise I love getting the silver screen treatment was tempered by the knowledge that videogame movies, almost without exception, are steaming crapola. There are semi-exceptions here and there - the first Mortal Kombat film was a lot of fun, for instance - but by and large, if you're making a videogame movie, you're in trouble from the get-go.

The simple solution, then, according to Deus Ex writer-director Scott Derrickson and his partner C. Robert Cargill, is to not make a videogame movie. "We just keep telling each other, 'We're not making a videogame movie, we're making a cyberpunk movie'," Cargill told Crave Online. "And Scott and I are such big cyberpunk fans from way back in the day that that just really charges us up. Because that's what's so great about Deus Ex to begin with, is it really gets cyberpunk."

But they also acknowledged that the cyberpunk genre is a difficult beast in its own right, not only because of infamous failures like Johnny Mnemonic but also because of films like Blade Runner and The Matrix, which Derrickson described as "iconic and insurmountable" even though they aren't really cyberpunk films. They're looking at more "grounded" films like District 9, Looper and Inception as "molds" for Deus Ex, because of their more realistic approach to the genre.

"Cargill said, 'Oh no, videogames movies always suck.' And I said, 'So did comic book movies, until they didn't. You know?'" Derrickson said, "I'm a big believer and I think Cargill is now, as well, that videogames... Videogames and cyberpunk, I'm hoping that there will be a new wave of both, because there's amazing source material for great films there."

Source: Crave Online

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While I have high hopes, I also have low expectations. I love the Deus Ex verse, but the only good film really related to gaming is Wreck-it Ralph.[1] Plus... well, Blade Runner is not actually very good IMO, so if that's being held up as the greatest cyberpunk movie ever, I'm kinda worried about the genre.

[1] though that was a DAMN good movie

While their approach is certainly comforting I still have serious reservations about this whole thing. I guess time will tell.

I really hope that they won't fuck it up, but I believe that they will. I don't think that 3 hours is enough time to explore the ideas in any Deus Ex game AND have action scenes properly. I really wish we could get a Deus Ex miniseries based on the original Deus Ex instead.

Maybe it'll at least have a better ending.

Can't make a good videogame movie ey? Then don't! Think up some NEW IDEAS!!

No mention of Ghost in the Shell? Fine, it's your movie, let Looper be your "mold"... whatever the hell that means.

I never a... wait what?, they're aiming for a videogame movie to not suck?... I'm intrigued, but only time will tell if they ever stick to their word and manage to pull this off.

Then why are you calling it Deus Ex.

If you just wanted to make a cyberpunk movie inspired by Deus Ex, do that. I never got why a videogame movie was such a big deal, I hated them because I almost never got anything extra out of them and when I did get something extra all I could think about was "Would have been nice to play a game centered around this".

Turning a Book into a movie makes sense, bringing a world that previously only existed in someone's imagination to life is something that takes skill and creativity. A videogame is already a visual medium. The world is already fleshed out in ways a movie can never even come close to.

If it's a good movie then all the better but the question will always remain. Why call it Deus Ex? Calling your movie Titan the Cybrainian would have literally no impact on anything in it when you are making a cyberpunk movie that apparently only has the title Deus Ex because allot of gamers know what it means and might see your movie.

That's a good attitude, here's hopping it doesn't turn out Dreddfull.

Major_Tom:
No mention of Ghost in the Shell? Fine, it's your movie, let Looper be your "mold"... whatever the hell that means.

Talk about a Major oversight!

Major_Tom:
No mention of Ghost in the Shell? Fine, it's your movie, let Looper be your "mold"... whatever the hell that means.

That, and RoboCop. Anything goes for me if it's not like Looper, really... That movie was just, how do I put it, arse.

That's exactly what every other major video game movie did and that's exactly why they all suck. They didn't stick to the source material. They all tried to make something original, ignoring what fans expect. Look at Resident Evil, Hitman and Max Payne for example. They are all just shitty movies with the name of the game slapped on them. And these guys want to do the same? We shouldn't be excited for this news at all, because it's exactly what's wrong with movies that are based on video games.

So no. Your aim shouldn't be to make a good cyberpunk movie. Your aim should be to make a good Deus Ex movie. Making a good cyberpunk movie doesn't mean it's a good Deus Ex movie. However, making a good Deus Ex movie by definition means that it's also a good cyberpunk movie.

Perhaps they'll use all the footage from their trailer which they didn't put in the game... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc&feature=player_embedded

You know happens when you ignore the games and make your movie based on a setting or overall feel of a game? You get the Super Mario brothers, and we all know how much gamers like that.

I'm not worried though, I've hard so many video game projects that got started and never went anywhere that I doubt this one will go anywhere either.

You know what? I'd much rather have a good film in general, than have a shit one that follows the plot of the games. If they set in the same universe, that's good enough for me.

In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with video game movies so far is that they've been more focused on marketing the game, and being damn sure not to piss off fans, than making a good movie. And I understand, the fans of a product want to see what they love translated "correctly" on the big screen, but I find that that often comes at the cost of making the film a unique entity that's actually engaging. They don't actually explore the game and think about what will make it work on the big screen, they just want to throw that shit up there as fast as they can. Even if it's good, it's just fanservice, and fanservice isn't good enough.
/rambling

Seems vage gibber, but hope its good.

I wrote about three paragraphs that I have now deleted, because I don't know what the fuck has really been said in this interview. What does "not making a videogame movie" but "a cyberpunk movie" entail exactly? Are they going to just make a Cyberpunk movie with some themes from Deus Ex and slap that name on there? Are they talking about it in terms of not sticking strictly to the game's universe? It's just too vague.

With that said, eh, I want the trailer.

Ugg, this makes me frustrated. Deus Ex was never about cyberpunk, Deus Ex was about power. You know why DX3 had a crappy story? It forgot what Deus Ex was about. Deus Ex 1 would work just as well in a fantasy, historical, or even Star Wars-esque science fiction.

Dear Scott Derrickson and C. Robert Cargill, please play Deus Ex 1 and 2. Study them, learn their themes, memorize their quotes and examine their characters. Then and only then will you know what Deus Ex is about, and Deus Ex is not about cyberpunk.

Adam Jensen:
That's exactly what every other major video game movie did and that's exactly why they all suck. They didn't stick to the source material. They all tried to make something original, ignoring what fans expect. Look at Resident Evil, Hitman and Max Payne for example. They are all just shitty movies with the name of the game slapped on them. And these guys want to do the same? We shouldn't be excited for this news at all, because it's exactly what's wrong with movies that are based on video games.

So no. Your aim shouldn't be to make a good cyberpunk movie. Your aim should be to make a good Deus Ex movie. Making a good cyberpunk movie doesn't mean it's a good Deus Ex movie. However, making a good Deus Ex movie by definition means that it's also a good cyberpunk movie.

The reason those movies are terrible isn't because they strayed from the source material. Those movies are all bad because they're technically incompetent. Additionally, a movie isn't bad because it strays from the source material. Come on, that's just basic movie logic.

Andy Chalk:
"Cargill said, 'Oh no, videogames movies always suck.' And I said, 'So did comic book movies, until they didn't. You know?'" Derrickson said,

this this this this this this this!!!

I've been sayin' this for years. I hope they truly understand the mechanics of that statement.

Though this does kind of destroy my dream of a Deus Ex movie being the first (only?) well-done "choose your own adventure" film.
Hey, a guy can dream... (of electric sheep, narf).

/sigh, because game movies are always rubbish. Its a crying shame though,

Deus Ex would make a great movie, if they do concentrate on making a scifi/cyberpunk movie rather than a game tie in it might work. Still have others have said "high hopes with low expectations". The tie in books where OK though, not award winning material but pleasant enough to relax with for an afternoon.

It's amazing how seemingly simple dodging the problem of "videogame" movies was.

Andy Chalk:
But they also acknowledged that the cyberpunk genre is a difficult beast in its own right, not only because of infamous failures like Johnny Mnemonic but also because of films like Blade Runner and The Matrix, which Derrickson described as "iconic and insurmountable" even though they aren't really cyberpunk films. They're looking at more "grounded" films like District 9, Looper and Inception as "molds" for Deus Ex, because of their more realistic approach to the genre.

I know I'm posting again, but I don't give a fuck.

You are doing it wrong. Christ, these guys couldn't have missed the point harder if they were aiming in the other goddamn direction. MAKE A DEUS EX FILM, NOT LOOPER, DISTRICT 9, OR INCEPTION!!!

Those fucktards should be sent back to a high school video production class.

Adam Jensen:
That's exactly what every other major video game movie did and that's exactly why they all suck. They didn't stick to the source material. They all tried to make something original, ignoring what fans expect. Look at Resident Evil, Hitman and Max Payne for example. They are all just shitty movies with the name of the game slapped on them. And these guys want to do the same? We shouldn't be excited for this news at all, because it's exactly what's wrong with movies that are based on video games.

So no. Your aim shouldn't be to make a good cyberpunk movie. Your aim should be to make a good Deus Ex movie. Making a good cyberpunk movie doesn't mean it's a good Deus Ex movie. However, making a good Deus Ex movie by definition means that it's also a good cyberpunk movie.

Calm down, from what I see what they mean is that they wont do "Deus Ex: The game you just played told in a movie format" and instead are doing a movie that follows the theme and world of Deus Ex.

Deus Ex is great for that since every game has a different character meaning that they can create another one and tell his story in that world. I certainly prefer that to having a movie about what we all already saw with JC Denton and Adam Jensen (and the 2nd guy... although I bet a lot fewer players saw his story to the end).

Games that follow the plot of a movie sucks.
Movies that follow the plot of a game, also sucks.

...but games that're based only in the universe of a movie doesn't always suck.
perhaps it's the same for the other way around here as well?

So... did NO ONE see The Avengers this summer? To make a good Deus-Ex movie... STICK TO THE CORE OF WHAT MAKES IT DEUS EX! This is what was wrong with Tomb Raider; this is what was wrong with Resident Evil; this is what was wrong with Mario Bros; this is what was wrong with... hell, EVERY video game movie. Stick. To. The. Basics.

Seriously, I remember when Resident Evil came out and I said "This is nothing like Resident Evil's story!" "Well yeah, because we already know how it happens, so they wanna tell a new story." NO!! By all means, I can understand having to shuffle things around (The Avengers stuck very little to the original canon), but stick to the core of what makes it popular. If you're going to change things, give it a different title. A Deus-Ex movie should BE a Deus-Ex movie, not just some brand name slapped onto a movie that happens have a similar setting.

The writer is instigating a serious fallacy. The issue with video game movies, mostly, is their utter failure to stick to the games storyline. By writing a Deus Ex movie and not acknowledging it's video game roots and established canon, they are making the exact same mistake every other video game movie has made. Movie writers play fast and loose with the defining elements of a video game franchise with the excuse that they are writing to appeal to a wider audience. All they are really saying is, "we can do it better", then they simply don't. They write a movie that is both insulting to the games fans AND doesn't appeal to a wider audience. If they want to write a decent movie for a Deus Ex game, they need to either follow the exact story of a Deus Ex game OR they need to create a character within that universe and acknowledge the happenings of the game canon by not force including characters that shouldn't logically be available for usage in the storyline.

Really, I come from the side of, if it's not broken, don't fix it. Movie writers try to fix it, and they always fail. I won't hold my breath about this movie.

Edit: If you want to write a cyber punk movie, you should probably pick a larger known Cyberpunk work rather than messing up the game.

Ahhh... If only this could be as good as Watchmen.

1337mokro:
Then why are you calling it Deus Ex.

If you just wanted to make a cyberpunk movie inspired by Deus Ex, do that.

They don't just want to make a cyber punk movie. They are keenly aware of how easy it is to fuck up a video game to movie adaptation, so they're focusing on the things that make the game good, rather than making something that tries to resemble things from the game. As the game is very cyberpunk, that's the natural thing to think about.

Turning a Book into a movie makes sense, bringing a world that previously only existed in someone's imagination to life is something that takes skill and creativity. A videogame is already a visual medium. The world is already fleshed out in ways a movie can never even come close to.

Whilst both mediums are visual and have their own advantages, the sad fact is that a movies still trump games in terms of story telling, often with only a fraction of the resources, time and effort.

Videogames are often fairly empty and skimpy worlds, in which the illusion of realism or depth can easily broken by what some call the "ludo-narrative dissonance" but what I call the "player goofing around". Games are always being held back by technical limitations which limit how you can tell the story, and whilst we've come to accept that this is how it is with games, we're currently missing out on the stories they can't provide. In Deus Ex:HR, the riots are supposed to be a big plot point...but you don't even see the rioting because the engine can't hack it. Jensen is supposed to be shocked and moved by events in the story, but the limitations of the facial animations fail to bring across the subtle emotional cues. He can only flap his mouth, furrow his brow and gesticulate, whilst the voice actor has to pick up the slack.

Adam Jensen:
That's exactly what every other major video game movie did and that's exactly why they all suck. They didn't stick to the source material. They all tried to make something original, ignoring what fans expect. Look at Resident Evil, Hitman and Max Payne for example. They are all just shitty movies with the name of the game slapped on them. And these guys want to do the same? We shouldn't be excited for this news at all, because it's exactly what's wrong with movies that are based on video games.

Last I checked, those movies were all bad because they were poorly-constructed movies, not because they were bad at representing their source material. Also, Max Payne had a movie?

*checks IMDB*

Huh, Max Payne had a movie. I entirely forgot about that.

We'll see what they cook up, but of course failure is the overwhelming precedent.

And I am extremely impressed that a certain 5-word phrase has yet to be uttered.

Isn't Deus Ex a cyber-punk game anyway...?

Did everybody just blaze on past the point of the quotes?

The point they're making is that they don't want to be restricted into telling the game's plot in a movie form. They're approaching the film from a angle that allows them to make a plot that can fit within a film that takes elements from Dues Ex to construct a film that is essentially Deus Ex. Nowhere have they said that they are going to abandon the roots of the game; they're merely trying to make a film that cribs from Deus Ex without just filming the plot of the game and hoping for the best.

Deus Ex is Cyberpunk. In other news Liberace is really, really, really gay. Bald men have shiny heads. Dogs hump anything with a leg.

Oh wait, I got one more: squirrels go gonzo for nuts.

Excuse me, but Johnny Pnuemonic was freaking awesome. Mr. Chalk, I challenge you to a duel.

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