All PS4 Games Will Be Available as Downloads

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All PS4 Games Will Be Available as Downloads

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Unfortunately for those of us with crappy internet, digital downloads of PS4 games will clock in at around 50 gigabytes.

Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida has been debunking rumours left and right in the wake of Sony's big PlayStation 4 reveal event, and this time he has told The Guardian that all PS4 games will be available as digital downloads. He said that users downloading PS4 games might want to take advantage of the PS4's ability to download games and updates in standby mode, as they will clock in at a massive 50 gigabytes. For contrast, new release PC games downloaded via Steam average anywhere from 5-15 gigabytes. Those of you who still prefer to buy physical, worry not, for the PS4 will still focus on discs for the next few years.

"We're shifting our platform more and more to the digital side - PS4 will be similar to PS Vita in that every game will be available as a digital download, and some will also be available as a disc," Yoshida said, in response to a question about how the PS4 will better support smaller development studios. "The Witness will be a digital release and because of the flexibility of the digital distribution scheme, we can have more small games that might be free or available for a couple of dollars, or different services like free-to-play or subscription models."

Yoshida claims that the focus on digital downloads and cloud computing is to make the gaming experience more instantaneous. He wants playing a game to be like watching a TV show. You should be able to turn it on and play straight away without having to sit around waiting for patches and downloads. "Waiting for downloads - That's ridiculous, that's crazy! We want to get out of this madness with PlayStation 4. The games are big, they're 50GB; download isn't instantaneous. So we're making purchase available from any device, so when you're at work, you can spend a couple of moments looking at PlayStation Store and choosing a game, and straight away it starts to download at home."

PS4 downloads will utilize a "progressive download" system, says Yoshida, which means you won't have to wait for the whole thing to download before you start playing. "Once you have the minimum amount of data downloaded you can begin the game, and while you play, the remaining data downloads."

Currently, a large number of PS3 games are available as digital downloads at a cheaper price than their physical retail versions. The success of PSN, Xbox Live Arcade and Steam have pushed digital distribution into the forefront this generation. Downloaded titles on the PS3's PSN, including full PS3 games and digital-only titles like Castle Crashers and Fat Princess, won't transfer to the PS4.

Source: The Guardian

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50 gigs per game does not make any justifiable sense whatsoever. Even some of the most graphically intensive and expansive MMO's today cap out at about 20 gigs. I mean, what does that mean for the monetary cost of physical copies if the data cost is so high?

50 gigs per game? The hells that all about?

Though I am happy to see physical disk copies still on the table, for now at least. Even all my PC games are still bought in disk form. I'm an impatient guy and still cant be arsed downloading big games when my internet speeds go up and down like Liverpools goal difference.

50 gigs?!

How the fantastical flying ferret fuck is that even possible?

Even with large HDD, going completely digital isn't even an option for the PS4 if the games are 50 gig, not to mention download caps.

I... I can't do 50 gigs! Hell, given my monthly cap, I feel like a huge jerk when I download anything larger than, like, 10. You can keep your digital copies, Sony. I'm sticking with discs for as long as I can. The thought that they might be phased out during this console generation makes me queasy.

50 Gigabytes? Unless they have 30 gigabytes of free porn on it I will continue going "WTF!?"

wooty:
50 gigs per game? The hells that all about?

Though I am happy to see physical disk copies still on the table, for now at least. Even all my PC games are still bought in disk form. I'm an impatient guy and still cant be arsed downloading big games when my internet speeds go up and down like Liverpools goal difference.

Bit don't you hate going out and interacting with people? :p

Daystar Clarion:
50 gigs?!

How the fantastical flying ferret fuck is that even possible?

Even with large HDD, going completely digital isn't even an option for the PS4 if the games are 50 gig, not to mention download caps.

To be fair, this kind of stupidity isn't new. Remember when Microsoft was trying to push their HD digital services AND DLC with only a 20 GB HDD as an option?

EDIT: not to downplay the DL cap, either. Comcast is still the most generous in offering a 250 GB monthly cap, which means on the best cap you'll burn a fifth of your monthly allotment with one game.

It's like they're trying to turn me into a PC advocate.

Anyway, what are they doing? Creating exact disc images of the game disc and shipping those to us? I do note that 50 GBs would be the right size for that.

50 gigs? Seems a little much. The way I see it, I can think of three possible explanations:

1. The increase in content and audiovisual quality is large enough that PS4 will average at about 50 gig.
Possible, but unlikely.

2. If I'm not mistaken, most games use various levels of compression to keep file sizes down, at the cost of having to expend some processing power uncompressing them. Perhaps PS4 games simply use less compression.
This one is just a wild guess, since I have no technical knowhow about such stuff.

3. Yoshida miscommunicated or his comments were misinterpreted and 50 gigs is simply the upper limit of PS4 game size.
This seems quite reasonable and likely.

It's most likely just a bad translation unless of course he spoke the words in English originally. Either way it's more likely that he meant "up to" 50gb somewhere in the future or that it can support 50gb downloads. Anyone got the original quote? Even the largest MMO I can recall from memory was TERA at just shy of 28gb but that was an MMO with some very nice graphics and really high res textures.

The 50gb is most likely the average upper limit of Disc based games that are available for download online. Cheaper PSN games like The Witness won't take up that much space, however, Uncharted 4 might fill up the 50Gb to it's fullest. Hell, I remember reading that Uncharted 3 clocked in around 30 - 35 Gbs.

People getting their panties in a bunch when reading the number 50; chill out and buy the disc version of the game then.

Now this is what i'm talking about. Although it does kind of contradict what they said yesterday.

But yeah, having the option to download every game is a huge step forward for consoles, where previously only select titles were available for download.

50 gig is all the cutscenes in the new Metal Gear game. lol. Now its all well and good, as i predicted this would happen so as to lead us gently to the PS5.....a full digital download only console. Only problem is they have yet to tell the prices. Now i would expect a new game to be around £40 on disc, but the digital version should be atleast £20. But some how i think they will still charge full price.

50 Gigs, really? Yeah my internet can't handle that. That would take like 40 hours to download for me.

Steven Bogos:

Currently, a large number of PS3 games are available as digital downloads at a cheaper price than their physical retail versions.

Really? Are they in the USA? At the moment I'm sitting here comparing Amazon UK prices and PS store prices. Every game is more expensive digitally. Never made sense to me why I'd buy it digitally when a physical copy is cheaper.

Unless data shows otherwise, I am going wit the idea that this my be a mistranslation and the 50GB is and upper limit or something to that effect.

Good move.

Last Friday a mate and I got quite in to Sonic AllStar Racing Transformed which we were playing on
my PC - downloaded via Steam.
We got to his the next day and he wanted to download it too as he really liked it. He only has an Xbox and it turned out it wasn't available as a download which really sucked. It's not a large game either so one would presume but no way to get that game when we wanted which is a downer.
Not every game has to, or indeed will be 50 gigs large.
Just one more way to get at games, right?

Even ignoring the 50GB thing, the UK PSN currently charges £59.99 ($90.65) for Dead Space 3 to download.

It costs £38 ($57.41) from Amazon, and £40 ($60.43) from GAME who are the UK's top two retailers for games.

So who is going to really care anyway? It'd be cheaper for me to buy a game and pay express next day delivery guaranteed.

Legion:
Even ignoring the 50GB thing, the UK PSN currently charges £59.99 ($90.65) for Dead Space 3 to download.

It costs £38 ($57.41) from Amazon, and £40 ($60.43) from GAME who are the UK's top two retailers for games.

So who is going to really care anyway? It'd be cheaper for me to buy a game and pay express next day delivery guaranteed.

It's almost as if they realized that publishers still need hard copy sales to justify their existence.

I guess PS4 games will soon need to be high definition 50' room sized to enjoy, you know, how the CEO's live in their warped reality ultra-rich lifestyles.

They still have discs so I'm gonna stick with that for as long as possible. I hate having downloaded copies as well, physical copies are a lot better to have.

"PS4 downloads will utilize a "progressive download" system, says Yoshida, which means you won't have to wait for the whole thing to download before you start playing. "Once you have the minimum amount of data downloaded you can begin the game, and while you play, the remaining data downloads.""

That... is actually a fantastic idea. I wish Steam did that. Or at least let me start playing without having to install all the updates first.

Also, I'm not too surprised at the 50GB games thing, that's about how big MGS 4 was: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/02/kojima-mgs4-too-big-for-50-gb-blu-ray-disc/

So looks like this guy:

SonOfVoorhees:
50 gig is all the cutscenes in the new Metal Gear game. lol.

... was right!

God of War 3 was also about 35GB and I believe Uncharted 3 was as well. The PC version of Max Payne 3 clocked out at a similar size more or less entirely because of it's uncompressed sound and large textures. It wasn't an especially long or content-heavy game.

Honestly, 50GB is almost what I was expecting.

They'd better include a 1 TB hard drive as a standard then. I have no issue with the games being all digital, but 50 gigs? Are we sure that we didn't get a mistranslation? 50 is wayyyy too much for a game now.

Zachary Amaranth:

wooty:
50 gigs per game? The hells that all about?

Though I am happy to see physical disk copies still on the table, for now at least. Even all my PC games are still bought in disk form. I'm an impatient guy and still cant be arsed downloading big games when my internet speeds go up and down like Liverpools goal difference.

Bit don't you hate going out and interacting with people? :p

Daystar Clarion:
50 gigs?!

How the fantastical flying ferret fuck is that even possible?

Even with large HDD, going completely digital isn't even an option for the PS4 if the games are 50 gig, not to mention download caps.

To be fair, this kind of stupidity isn't new. Remember when Microsoft was trying to push their HD digital services AND DLC with only a 20 GB HDD as an option?

EDIT: not to downplay the DL cap, either. Comcast is still the most generous in offering a 250 GB monthly cap, which means on the best cap you'll burn a fifth of your monthly allotment with one game.

It's like they're trying to turn me into a PC advocate.

Anyway, what are they doing? Creating exact disc images of the game disc and shipping those to us? I do note that 50 GBs would be the right size for that.

Wait a sec, you only get 250GB? I have 500GB and have yet to cap it afaik, looks like PS4 might meet that challenge.... maybe..... if I ever download a game from PSN.

RicoADF:

Wait a sec, you only get 250GB? I have 500GB and have yet to cap it afaik, looks like PS4 might meet that challenge.... maybe..... if I ever download a game from PSN.

Yup, 250 GB and we're the highest cap in the US.

I've only topped my bandwidth cap once, but if this is the future, I'd be topping it routinely.

Plenty of steam games cap in at around 25 gig or more. I think my largest game is Max Payne at 30+ gig. Not really seeing why a theoretical average of 50 gig for next gen titles has everyone in here dropping their jaws.

You'll download what? Like one or two of these a month?

Zachary Amaranth:

RicoADF:

Wait a sec, you only get 250GB? I have 500GB and have yet to cap it afaik, looks like PS4 might meet that challenge.... maybe..... if I ever download a game from PSN.

Yup, 250 GB and we're the highest cap in the US.

I've only topped my bandwidth cap once, but if this is the future, I'd be topping it routinely.

Where did all the people saying that Australia's net is so bad in comparison (claiming they have unlimited internet) come from? The more I hear about the states the more I see your behind us. Eg: when I visited in 2011 the trains were worse than our old trains which will be fully phased out by the end of the year, not having NBN level internet etc. I'm seriously confused where the claims come from.

ScrabbitRabbit:
"PS4 downloads will utilize a "progressive download" system, says Yoshida, which means you won't have to wait for the whole thing to download before you start playing. "Once you have the minimum amount of data downloaded you can begin the game, and while you play, the remaining data downloads.""

That... is actually a fantastic idea. I wish Steam did that. Or at least let me start playing without having to install all the updates first.

Think this is out of steams hands unfortunately , though i suppose they could start "encouraging" developers to deliver their software in this way. blizzard do it already with their stuff and have done for quite a while now

Let's ignore what he said, and read what he meant. Blu-Ray discs top out at 50GB, and downloading MGS4 would come with an unbearable wait... but the vast majority of games likely won't actually reach that. I strongly doubt devs are going to be forced to pad their games to 50GB.

P.S. Thanks

Unfortunate, I plan on staying in Alaska for the next few years. The cartel that operates local internet internet connectivity show no willingness to expand. I have to get promoted to continue my lifestyle.

I pay a dollar for every gigabyte I go over my limit.

Uhm yeah. 80 gig cap on Rogers Canada. I think theres some super-expensive plan that does 120.
God only knows about Australia, or more rural areas in NA trying to run this stuff.

I'm assuming its only the FF/MG/maybe Elder Scrolls thats going to be doing that though, with most games clocking in at more conventional amounts.

RicoADF:

Where did all the people saying that Australia's net is so bad in comparison (claiming they have unlimited internet) come from? The more I hear about the states the more I see your behind us. Eg: when I visited in 2011 the trains were worse than our old trains which will be fully phased out by the end of the year, not having NBN level internet etc. I'm seriously confused where the claims come from.

To be fair, it used to be that we had no bandwidth caps and you guys were paying pretty steep by the gig by and large. Things have changed, but you know how stereotypes go.

Plus, nationalism. People believe we're the best nation on the planet because they've been told so and have no comparison.

To be fair, we used to have GREAT internet, comparably. Like a lot of things, though, not so much anymore.

50 gigs per game? your kidding right?
<opens up a networking simulator more complex than any modern game>
here i got this 4 MB game that does more than your 30 GB ones does nowdays. do you need 50 GB to chun in more graphics and less gameplay?

the largest game i played ever took 16 gigs, and it wasnt spectacular by far, just poorly optimized.

RicoADF:

Where did all the people saying that Australia's net is so bad in comparison (claiming they have unlimited internet) come from? The more I hear about the states the more I see your behind us. Eg: when I visited in 2011 the trains were worse than our old trains which will be fully phased out by the end of the year, not having NBN level internet etc. I'm seriously confused where the claims come from.

You know, there is this magic wonderland called Europe. or you could call it Asia. Or how about South america. You know, pretty much everywhere btu North America and Africa.
we may have worse buses, but that is not important. having cap on your internet is. we phased out such caps like 5 years ago and those ISP that still do that have them at quite ridiculosu heights (a cheap plan from my old ISP gives 1000 GB limit), a cheapest possible plan from my current ISP gives me 50/50mbps and i dont really need more speed, if i paid double that i could get 300/300mbps though.

Just to poke my nose into this topic. UK here and my internet has an unlimited data cap (Fair use applies but still, it's pretty large) with what I guess is good download speed.

While a 50gb game would certainly be a pain to download, just because of the time it takes (an 8gb game takes me just over an hour)

I call b.s.

No PC game ever made was 50 gb, even with patches/expansions etc. PC games are typically more graphically demanding than their console cousins and that still applies today.

The PS4 is still a computer at heart, with nothing more than an ATI 7850+, so something is completely off kilter, or that game is very poorly designed.

People need to STOP whining about ps4 download sizes. Here is why

1) PS3 and PS4 games, when delivered on disc are BLURAY discs that hold 25-50GB of content. So what when you DL a 45GB game, you are DL the FULL game.. unless you'd like sony to compress textures more, remove code, and features. So if you don't like the size. GO BUY IT ON DISK!!

2) YOU DONT HAVE TO DL THE WHOLE 50GB! After 2-4GB a game will stop DLing and you can RUN it. It will continue to DL in the background while you play it OR in standby mode... The game with DL the executable and enough data to get you going. ALL PS4 GAMES ARE THIS WAY. IT IS MANDATED BY SONY. NO PS4 GAME DEVELOPER MAY DEVIATE FROM THIS

3) Those of you with data caps with your ISP... I'd stick to Blueray discs then as many ISPs have a 300-500GB a month cap. I have TWC Business class cable modem with a 112Mbpsx20Mbps here in Charlotte, NC, USA. I pay 3X more than residential, but I get: no caps, no throttling, and priority bandwidth using while in the TWC network over residential data, including locally in my neighborhood.. so I NEVER slow down at peak times.

4) What if you have a SLOW connection? (DSL .. or basically anything under 20Mbit, I consider slow these days).. you wait for the minimal 2-6GB to DL.. then play...then let it DL in the background

5) sony wont go all digial for 3-5 yrs.. by then a new playstation will be out

6) now that the PS and Xbox are PCs, they can EASILY be upgraded MUCH more often.. so we could see the PS 4.1 in 1-2 yrs and devs just adjust the games for the console revision... just like windows and mac users can adjust game performance to fit their machine... in this case the devs do it for you...

That's about it folks... 75% of PS4 and Xbone game will be on disk..but 5 yrs from now.. it'll be flipped... 25% on disc... 75% DL only... so if you want to keep up with things.. Keep your internet at 20Mbps or faster... and I know that's not easy

but with the way the ps4 AND xbone does things, you can start playing the game after the first 2-6 (closer to 4-6) GB have been DLed... and 4-6GB doesn't take THAT long even on an 8Mbps connection

I've seen a 69GB ps4 game already...with digital DL, they can EXCEED the space on a blueray disk

The problem for me is the small 500GB HDD in the ps4

I replaced it with a 2TB drive... and you can install an external drive as internal to get the Ps4 up to 4-6GB of space.. actually. I have a friend who bought a SATA raid box... he put 5 4TB drives in it.. plugged it into windows.. formatted it RAID 5.. and hotwired it into his PS4.. he now has a 16GB RAID 5 array on his ps4.. if one fails.. the box puts a redlight on the failed drive and it's hot swappable... personally i think that's OVERKILL For the Ps4

2TB-4TB PLENTY

Jason Triggs:
I call b.s.

No PC game ever made was 50 gb, even with patches/expansions etc. PC games are typically more graphically demanding than their console cousins and that still applies today.

The PS4 is still a computer at heart, with nothing more than an ATI 7850+, so something is completely off kilter, or that game is very poorly designed.

What you are saying is 10000% INCORRECT.. I Can go name at LEAST 2-3 STEAM games 30,40, or even 50GB in size.

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