The War Z Shambles Back to Life on Steam

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Kill it! Kill it with fire!

Everything Hammerpoint has done reeks of wanting to make a quick buck without putting in the effort, they are on the shit list as opposed to the "meh, not my sort of game" list.

That one person who said you can't put out messages for other to read, you're wrong you can do that, you just have to buy the timecapsules from the store>.> and the game itself is kinda boring atm since the zombies are little more than an hindrence atm it's the hacking that is the problem, ever since Sergey taunted the hackers that the game is 'unhackable' every hacker in the universe and those universes around came to prove him wrong:(

Stalydan:

Baldr:
Tell me one game that was completely bug-free finished on release? They never claimed that the game 100% done. They misrepresented information about what was in the game and what was coming to the game the first time they went on steam. The only things missing from in-game now is the skill system. The community options and different maps they said were coming also.

They rotoscoped art work for their artwork from The Walking Dead for their website and in-game menus, but they never posted screenshots that were not taken in their engine.

I have a feeling that you probably work for Hammerpoint the way you defend this game.

That or he's one of the many hackers who make this game their personal playground to torment other users who got conned into buying this mess of a game.
I suppose that there's also the incredibly small chance that he actually likes the game though. I'm betting on one of the other two though.

Baldr:

Mr.K.:
They might have fixed some parts of the description but there is still plenty that isn't true, mainly the fact this game is not finished, and on top of that the screenshots are stuff you will never see in this game, at least they removed those that were stolen from other games but a half lie is still a lie.

Combined with the fact they never acknowledged there was any fault on their end I would avoid these guys like the plague.

Tell me one game that was completely bug-free finished on release? They never claimed that the game 100% done. They misrepresented information about what was in the game and what was coming to the game the first time they went on steam. The only things missing from in-game now is the skill system. The community options and different maps they said were coming also.

They rotoscoped art work for their artwork from The Walking Dead for their website and in-game menus, but they never posted screenshots that were not taken in their engine.

Not finished does not mean bug free, software as law will never be bug free. Finished is talking about FEATURES that were not in the game that they said were. More to the point, saying something is in the game when it is not, even if you intend to put it in later is false advertising. You can tell the difference from other steam pages where they mention multiplayer(future patch) and such.

You sound exactly like this guy on the steam forum defending FORGE by saying look at the patch notes for reasons people should buy the game now. Wow, they promised things that should of been in game from day one, I guess I should buy the game so that some feature they promised in the uncertain future will be fun to use then. The original store page was a blatant lie as almost nothing on it was there from day one yet it represented itself in a way that said it was.

Your argument is about bugs, but the only equivalent would be if Skyrim (serving as an example of a game with bugs at launch) launched with a list of features (skill system to be specific) and there was no skill system, to be added with a future patch. Do you see the correlation? Why this has created such a big stick? No one else would get away with that and neither should hammerpoint.

Phishfood:
Do you work for these people or something? There is a huge difference between a feature having a bug on release and a feature not existing on release. This game is like me going to the Honda showroom, looking at the nice hybrid car they have, buying it then they deliver a car shell to my house. No engine, no wheels, no glass. This is not a bug. This is not a defect. This is absence.

As for "things that are coming also", no. They said they were in the game. They lied. How can we trust that they are ever going to add those features now?

Stalydan:
A bug is when there's a problem with the game like a mission can't be completed or a weapon can't be used. It's not when a game is missing features that it clearly advertised because they hadn't been added yet, that's called false advertising and is illegal. I have a feeling that you probably work for Hammerpoint the way you defend this game.

And how does it make it any better when you say they stole art from better games and series because they "didn't post screenshots not taken with their engine"?

snekadid:
Not finished does not mean bug free, software as law will never be bug free. Finished is talking about FEATURES that were not in the game that they said were. More to the point, saying something is in the game when it is not, even if you intend to put it in later is false advertising. You can tell the difference from other steam pages where they mention multiplayer(future patch) and such.

You sound exactly like this guy on the steam forum defending FORGE by saying look at the patch notes for reasons people should buy the game now. Wow, they promised things that should of been in game from day one, I guess I should buy the game so that some feature they promised in the uncertain future will be fun to use then. The original store page was a blatant lie as almost nothing on it was there from day one yet it represented itself in a way that said it was.

Your argument is about bugs, but the only equivalent would be if Skyrim (serving as an example of a game with bugs at launch) launched with a list of features (skill system to be specific) and there was no skill system, to be added with a future patch. Do you see the correlation? Why this has created such a big stick? No one else would get away with that and neither should hammerpoint.

First off let me make this clear, I do not work for Hammerpoint(Just look at my profile), nor do I even like the studio... some of their developers are a-holes, and their producer Sergey Titov is the least professional person working in the industry. He called a group of players in the forums "a bunch of faggots". He lied on several occasions about losing the Trademark "The WarZ" to Universal Pictures (for World WarZ). I have express my dislike several times on these forums over the past couple months.

I'm not denying any of stuff they have done wrongly, nor defending them against those travesties they did commit, but there are a bunch of lies out there.

I like the game. I think it brings out better elements of the survival aspect of DayZ without the clunkiness of the Arma engine. I've been playing since they opened up the game to the public, they have added many of the features they said they were going to add.

The part about bugs is not exactly what I meant. People complain about games not being really in a finished state when released, I was just pointing out that Hammerpoint never really said the game was in a finished state when they released it the first time on Steam, unlike so many other companies that do say that when they release a game, but the game seems to be unfinished. That was the only point I was making there.

doggie015:
I am willing to bet $50 that the game is removed from steam again within a week. Does anyone want to take on that bet?

I will take that bet! I don't think it will be removed from Steam again.

It deserves to, but it won't. Oh Hammerpoint...

Kirov Reporting:

Pipotchi:
I like how one of the new 'features' listed is "Unique sound effects" Lol That's like when DVDs first came out an listed "interactive menus" as a special feature

That got a wry smirk from me - spot on. 'Okay guys, we've got all these awesome features. You can play it on a PC, and use a KEYBOARD AND MOUSE! This just got REAL. Damn, you're lucky.'

Laughable.

also, dont forget the one thing that the game has that others dont....

REAL ANIMATED GRAPHICS!

I mean, you could play your text based adventures, but now you can SEE yourself being killed by hackers with long range flashlights!

I feel sorry for anyone that plays this scam.

....wait, sp00n is doing a short LP with SSoHPKC..... you may proceed..... for now...

Baldr:

First off let me make this clear, I do not work for Hammerpoint(Just look at my profile), nor do I even like the studio... some of their developers are a-holes, and their producer Sergey Titov is the least professional person working in the industry. He called a group of players in the forums "a bunch of faggots". He lied on several occasions about losing the Trademark "The WarZ" to Universal Pictures (for World WarZ). I have express my dislike several times on these forums over the past couple months.
I'm not denying any of stuff they have done wrongly, nor defending them against those travesties they did commit, but there are a bunch of lies out there.
I like the game. I think it brings out better elements of the survival aspect of DayZ without the clunkiness of the Arma engine. I've been playing since they opened up the game to the public, they have added many of the features they said they were going to add.
The part about bugs is not exactly what I meant. People complain about games not being really in a finished state when released, I was just pointing out that Hammerpoint never really said the game was in a finished state when they released it the first time on Steam, unlike so many other companies that do say that when they release a game, but the game seems to be unfinished. That was the only point I was making there.

"Alright, congratulations on the house you just purchased. Here it is."
"Why is there no plumbing or electricity?"
"Oh, well I never specifically said the house was finished. Just that it was for sale."

It's false advertising. When a game is sold in a store (even online), it is presumed to be finished. If it is not finished, then it will say that it is in beta or alpha. Patching bugs or adding some new features down the line is alright. Even significant changes are ok. But when the majority of the games "features" are not yet in the game, it is false advertising.

As for your comment about Skyrim... Yeah, players were pissed with the number of bugs in Skyrim when it came out. It still has a stupid number of bugs. But the difference is that alongside the bugs, there was a fully playable game there. A game that delivered on what they had advertised. All of their fixes were to correct bugs. The game's content was entirely available from day one.

Also, the screenshots don't come from the game. Quite literally, those screenshots that they use to advertise the game are not from War Z (the game cannot render the number of zombies pictured). If that's not a bait-and-switch, I'm not sure what is.

Coupled with the fact that they got kicked off of Steam for false advertising before, they delete negative comments on their forum, their former banner was stolen artwork from The Walking Dead, and the only change to the game since their remove was correcting the description... I see absolutely no reason to excuse them from their behavior.

Prosis:

Baldr:

First off let me make this clear, I do not work for Hammerpoint(Just look at my profile), nor do I even like the studio... some of their developers are a-holes, and their producer Sergey Titov is the least professional person working in the industry. He called a group of players in the forums "a bunch of faggots". He lied on several occasions about losing the Trademark "The WarZ" to Universal Pictures (for World WarZ). I have express my dislike several times on these forums over the past couple months.
I'm not denying any of stuff they have done wrongly, nor defending them against those travesties they did commit, but there are a bunch of lies out there.
I like the game. I think it brings out better elements of the survival aspect of DayZ without the clunkiness of the Arma engine. I've been playing since they opened up the game to the public, they have added many of the features they said they were going to add.
The part about bugs is not exactly what I meant. People complain about games not being really in a finished state when released, I was just pointing out that Hammerpoint never really said the game was in a finished state when they released it the first time on Steam, unlike so many other companies that do say that when they release a game, but the game seems to be unfinished. That was the only point I was making there.

"Alright, congratulations on the house you just purchased. Here it is."
"Why is there no plumbing or electricity?"
"Oh, well I never specifically said the house was finished. Just that it was for sale."

It's false advertising. When a game is sold in a store (even online), it is presumed to be finished. If it is not finished, then it will say that it is in beta or alpha. Patching bugs or adding some new features down the line is alright. Even significant changes are ok. But when the majority of the games "features" are not yet in the game, it is false advertising.

As for your comment about Skyrim... Yeah, players were pissed with the number of bugs in Skyrim when it came out. It still has a stupid number of bugs. But the difference is that alongside the bugs, there was a fully playable game there. A game that delivered on what they had advertised. All of their fixes were to correct bugs. The game's content was entirely available from day one.

Also, the screenshots don't come from the game. Quite literally, those screenshots that they use to advertise the game are not from War Z (the game cannot render the number of zombies pictured). If that's not a bait-and-switch, I'm not sure what is.

Coupled with the fact that they got kicked off of Steam for false advertising before, they delete negative comments on their forum, their former banner was stolen artwork from The Walking Dead, and the only change to the game since their remove was correcting the description... I see absolutely no reason to excuse them from their behavior.

1. I not talking about False advertising, I agree with you on that point, but your not acknowledging my point.

2. I've had over 50+ zombies chase me in the game at one time, there a whole mob near Sleepy Crest that usually has 30+ zombies, not to mention those in that were in the actual town. With other players in the game, it can definitely handle a lot of zombie. I can go get screen shots to back up this if needed. This is the lies I'm talking about.

3. The artwork with the Walking Dead was rotoscoped off of pictures, it not like they went and copied the whole photo. I've said this before.

Baldr:

The part about bugs is not exactly what I meant. People complain about games not being really in a finished state when released, I was just pointing out that Hammerpoint never really said the game was in a finished state when they released it the first time on Steam, unlike so many other companies that do say that when they release a game, but the game seems to be unfinished. That was the only point I was making there.

Baldr:

1. I not talking about False advertising, I agree with you on that point, but your not acknowledging my point.
2. I've had over 50+ zombies chase me in the game at one time, there a whole mob near Sleepy Crest that usually has 30+ zombies, not to mention those in that were in the actual town. With other players in the game, it can definitely handle a lot of zombie. I can go get screen shots to back up this if needed. This is the lies I'm talking about.
3. The artwork with the Walking Dead was rotoscoped off of pictures, it not like they went and copied the whole photo. I've said this before.

1. Your point was that they never actually said the game was complete, unlike other companies, right? My point was that putting the game on sale on Steam implies that the game is complete (or at least is mostly complete), and failure to state that it was not complete was false advertising. Sure, they may have not specifically claimed that the game was complete, which makes them better than some of the absolute worst games that claim completion, but its still intentionally misleading. It implies completion, when it is not complete, which is really no different than claiming completion.

2. I'd like to see this, actually. That photo shows at least 35 zombies, and the various videos I've seen on youtube have never shown more than a dozen. If large hordes are present, then I'm guessing they're uncommon/rare, so I understand if it takes you a day or so to get a few screenshots.

3. Pretty sure rotoscoping is still copyright violation. At the very least, its lazy and unprofessional to use for a video game. Hard to believe that a lot of effort was put into the game when something as simple as the banner was traced and recycled.

RedDeadFred:
That or he's one of the many hackers who make this game their personal playground to torment other users who got conned into buying this mess of a game.
I suppose that there's also the incredibly small chance that he actually likes the game though. I'm betting on one of the other two though.

Baldr:
I like the game. I think it brings out better elements of the survival aspect of DayZ without the clunkiness of the Arma engine. I've been playing since they opened up the game to the public, they have added many of the features they said they were going to add.

@RedDeadFred, huh. Looks like that incredibly small chance was right.

@Baldr, when a game gets put up on Steam, you'd assume it'd be finished right. Or if it wasn't, the developers would advertise it as "currently in beta" or list which features are currently in the game and what they intend to add at a later date. The game's original description was clearly misleading.

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