Update: Rumor: Poor Sales May Have Killed Dead Space

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I don't think Microtransactions did this BTW. Most people did not know about them till after the fact and even then knew that they did not harm the game in anyways(or so I'm told, as previously mentioned not a huge deadspace fan). Can I just hold on to the hope that as games like deadspace fall out of style the industry will start producing more games I would like too play.

Lovely Mixture:
I really like how the whole "it needs to sell five million" thing is coming back to bite them in the ass. The only question is if people will still defend EA after this.

major_chaos:

Yea I'm so proud of you guys **** about things that you have blown way out of proportion and killing franchise I love. gamer power. wooo. if gamers "voted with their wallets" on every game that caused a shitstorm with something insignificant the only thing left would be pretentious "indie" "gaums are ART guise" nonsense and all of my favorite companies would be gone.

I can't count how many strawmen are in this post.

Dead Space 3, Diablo 3, Mass effect 3, the new Tomb Raider, Black Ops 2, Dragon Age 2. All games that I have loved in spite of people screaming about how they are evil and how the companies that made them need to die, and how you need to vote with your wallet and end the madness and if you don't then you are "ruining the industry". I'm sick of the nonsense and this is looking like the first time where these people have actually meaningfully hurt the sales of something I wanted to see succeed. And its a scary though that the absurd moral outrage crowd is gaining any kind of influence

major_chaos:
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I love the fact that you completely set yourself up as the sole voice everyone should listen to. "A game failing because people didn't want it? B-but, Major Chaos wanted it, you are all just stupid sheep!
Here's a hint fella, there's no moral outrage here, just people voting with their wallets, the very foundation of the capitalism which the game market rests.

major_chaos:
[snip

the new tomb raider?....that pretty much was a storm in a teacup

also aparently EA are denying thease rumours

major_chaos:

purifico:
Gamers actually voting with their wallets? Has hell frozen over or something? I am very proud of your guys.

Yea I'm so proud of you guys **** about things that you have blown way out of proportion and killing franchise I love. gamer power. wooo. if gamers "voted with their wallets" on every game that caused a shitstorm with something insignificant the only thing left would be pretentious "indie" "gaums are ART guise" nonsense and all of my favorite companies would be gone.

*high five*

I have to agree! viceral didnt deerve ot get shut down

NortherWolf:

major_chaos:
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I love the fact that you completely set yourself up as the sole voice everyone should listen to.

Funny coming from you, I seem to remember you basicly high fiving another poster for doing just that, the only difference is that he was riding the Bioware hate train full speed and calling people who disagree "biodrones" and therefor his bias lined up with yours, whereas mine does not. Also yes it is "moral outrage" when people are refusing to buy and game and telling others to do the same based of absurd slippery slope ideas and bloated anger over peripheral elements of the game("If we let EA put microtransactions in Dead Space 3 then soon you will need to pay to reload! And if you buy it you are RUINING THE INDUSTRY" is the kind of thing I see tossed around).

major_chaos:

NortherWolf:

major_chaos:
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I love the fact that you completely set yourself up as the sole voice everyone should listen to.

Funny coming from you, I seem to remember you basicly high fiving another poster for doing just that, the only difference is that he was riding the Bioware hate train full speed and calling people who disagree "biodrones" and therefor his bias lined up with yours, whereas mine does not. Also yes it is "moral outrage" when people are refusing to buy and game and telling others to do the same based of absurd slippery slope ideas and bloated anger over peripheral elements of the game("If we let EA put microtransactions in Dead Space 3 then soon you will need to pay to reload! And if you buy it you are RUINING THE INDUSTRY" is the kind of thing I see tossed around).

*chuckles*Difference: I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and just find it mildly pleasant when someone does.
You first make a strawman post, then when responded too bawl about how mean customers are for not supporting your game of choice.
Yeah, well, I'm pissed about idiot gamers not supporting Bullfrog, Data East or SEGA but that's capitalism for you.

Hmmm, well I find it a little disturbing that at the same time we're seeing Dead Space 3 undergoing massive sales shortly after it's release (like just now on "Big Deal On The Internet") we have EA coming out to try and claim rumors about problems with the franchise are patently false, though I suppose that could simply be in regards to the definate cancellation of a Deadspace 4 that was already in the works.

It's probably just me, but the update added on here just struck me as being sort of like the Iraqi information minister telling us "All your bases belong to us", one one channel, where on another channel we're watching US Troops pretty much overrun everything unopposed with the Republican Guard and miltiary units setting land speed records in competitions as to who can surrender first. :)

Channel 1:

"Dead Space 3... 50% off, less than a month after a release with major criticisms"

Channel 2:

"Uh yeah, well on behalf of the guys here at EA we just wanted to say Dead Space 3 is doing great, and is an outstanding success, we haven't had any problems with this title, and anything you might have heard to that effect is just baseless rumors and speculation..."

Okay, okay, not fair. I do understand what they are probably trying to say (as I mention above) but despite that, the parallel still just kind of hit me for some reason.

Hmmm, you know this parallel with EA (or another major game developer) when they try and cover for a failing product could make for a pretty cool installment of "Critical Miss". :)

I was crushed that Dead Space 3 is probably the last game. Then I played it. Every installment has succeeded only in making me want to reply the first game more. On "Hard" Dead Space 3 isn't hard. It isn't even slightly challenging. It's barely tense. Add in the micro-transactions, initial $70 cost, DLC up the ying yang, and Origin... well, it's just the diarrhea icing on the shit cake. At least Dead Space 2 was still kind of Dead Space and wasn't trying to slide it's hand into my wallet as I played.

LordMonty:
Well there problem is EA don't realise that changing a games formular/type midway through a serise is gonig to turn reviewers on them and we now live in an era where people look more and more to media to tell them what is good. This results in less sales and ergo kills games.

Or it could have been the fact that Every. Single. Thing. that was revealed about the game was something that the audience didn't want? One of the first things that was announced was the co-op and that cut off a good chunk of the fanbase as already people were saying they had no interest in buying it.

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I'd say most gamers don't need a critic to tell them what a bad idea is. I don't think we've quite sunk that far yet.

OT: Not really much left to say after 4 pages of "And EA murders another studio." I understand EA's intent to try anything they can to make money for their shareholders. "They're a company, that's what they do." But when EVERYTHING you touch dies, I think it's time to sit down at a board meeting and have a serious discussion about your business plan, because clearly it's flawed. Like Monty said: the lesson is that people don't want you to take their favorite games and sodomize them to death. You want to acquire successful, popular franchises and studios. Fair enough. But here's what you do after that: leave them the fuck alone. Don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong, those games and studios were popular and on the rise WITHOUT your intervention, maybe if you let them go about their business they'll keep rising and make you even more money? The saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" definitely applies here...I mean seriously, it makes absolutely no sense to take something that people already enjoy for what it is, change it into something it was never meant to be, and expect those people to like it more than ever.

Oh, how hilarious it would be if EA actually went through with its idea that Dead Space 3 had to sell 5 million copies to keep the franchise "viable."

"Well, it only sold 3.5 million copies. What a waste of time. Throw it out and make another Battlefield game."

MPerce:
Oh, how hilarious it would be if EA actually went through with its idea that Dead Space 3 had to sell 5 million copies to keep the franchise "viable."

"Well, it only sold 3.5 million copies. What a waste of time. Throw it out and make another Battlefield game."

Id be surprised if it even sold that much

in terms of physical copies it sold sjy of 0.9 million http://www.vgchartz.com/game/50254/dead-space-3/

while we dont know about digital sales from Origin, Xbox Live demand and PSN I'm willing to bet it would have been 1 million at most as digital sales havnt taken over physical on consoles and i highly doubt the PC version would be more popular

(correct me if im wrong people)

major_chaos:
Dead Space 3, Diablo 3, Mass effect 3, the new Tomb Raider, Black Ops 2, Dragon Age 2. All games that I have loved in spite of people screaming about how they are evil and how the companies that made them need to die, and how you need to vote with your wallet and end the madness and if you don't then you are "ruining the industry". I'm sick of the nonsense and this is looking like the first time where these people have actually meaningfully hurt the sales of something I wanted to see succeed. And its a scary though that the absurd moral outrage crowd is gaining any kind of influence

Stop hating what i like?

This feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy, really. EA set an expectation of 5M units sold, so they made the devs make a game to appeal to a businessman's concept of the average gamer. This resulted in a low quality facsimile of a mass appeal game.

EA's been chasing the mythical Call of Duty megahit for a long time now (Medal of Honor: Brown Reboot, Medal of Honor: Won'tyoubuyitthistime?, Mass Effect 2&3's gameplay, Army of Two, Army of Two: Two Harder, Battlefield 3), and it keeps failing because CoD fans are just that - Call of Duty fans. Call of Duty already exists. If they want their CoD fix, they'll play CoD. Hell, even Wikipedia says EA is disliked (the Consumerist poll) because of "EA's history for closing high-quality developers in favor of mass-produced derivative games designed for mass appeal, but which usually end up alienating the fanbase without achieving any mainstream appeal.[100]"

MercurySteam:
A great series was given unrealistic goals, even changed dramatically all just to make more profit. And now that the game hasn't met those goals the developer is being made to pay for it - they're firing parts of the dev team less than a month after the damn game came out. This is not going to end well and it actually may be the first time in history that EA has directly pissed me off.

You guys don't want me as your enemy.

It's KoA Reckoning all over again.

major_chaos:

Dead Space 3, Diablo 3, Mass effect 3, the new Tomb Raider, Black Ops 2, Dragon Age 2. All games that I have loved in spite of people screaming about how they are evil and how the companies that made them need to die, and how you need to vote with your wallet and end the madness and if you don't then you are "ruining the industry".

Really generalizing and projecting here my friend. Sure there are people like that, but the overlap isn't as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

Ok you enjoy those games, fine. Do I think you're "ruining the industry" ? No I don't. But you're making it sound as if people are not allowed to vote with their wallet.

major_chaos:

I'm sick of the nonsense and this is looking like the first time where these people have actually meaningfully hurt the sales of something I wanted to see succeed. And its a scary though that the absurd moral outrage crowd is gaining any kind of influence

Why? Cause you don't like it? How do you even know the "moral outrage crowd" is responsible for this? EA said DS3 needed to sell five million copies, and the first two only sold about four million put together.

How do you know people didn't just.....Choose not to buy the game because they didn't like the direction it was going in?

ksn0va:

MercurySteam:
A great series was given unrealistic goals, even changed dramatically all just to make more profit. And now that the game hasn't met those goals the developer is being made to pay for it - they're firing parts of the dev team less than a month after the damn game came out. This is not going to end well and it actually may be the first time in history that EA has directly pissed me off.

You guys don't want me as your enemy.

It's KoA Reckoning all over again.

This isn't really true, 38 only partnered with EA to publish the game and they really went down the toilet when they took a risk and unfortunately released a lacklustre game which effectively bankrupt the company. So not EAs fault (that time anyway).

It may be slow and painful, and we may see some great IPs and studios die along the way, but I've realised what it all means: Eventually, as EA continues to fail to realise what makes games successful and what constitutes a good game, all its franchises will end up like Dead Space, and at long last EA will die from an inability to support original content.

This is a joke of course, but I can dream.

MeChaNiZ3D:
It may be slow and painful, and we may see some great IPs and studios die along the way, but I've realised what it all means: Eventually, as EA continues to fail to realise what makes games successful and what constitutes a good game, all its franchises will end up like Dead Space, and at long last EA will die from an inability to support original content.

This is a joke of course, but I can dream.

If only... EA went the way of THQ

major_chaos:

purifico:
Gamers actually voting with their wallets? Has hell frozen over or something? I am very proud of your guys.

Yea I'm so proud of you guys **** about things that you have blown way out of proportion and killing franchise I love. gamer power. wooo. if gamers "voted with their wallets" on every game that caused a shitstorm with something insignificant the only thing left would be pretentious "indie" "gaums are ART guise" nonsense and all of my favorite companies would be gone.

QQ moar please.

The customer did not kill the franchise that you love. The publisher did.

purifico:

major_chaos:

purifico:
Gamers actually voting with their wallets? Has hell frozen over or something? I am very proud of your guys.

Yea I'm so proud of you guys **** about things that you have blown way out of proportion and killing franchise I love. gamer power. wooo. if gamers "voted with their wallets" on every game that caused a shitstorm with something insignificant the only thing left would be pretentious "indie" "gaums are ART guise" nonsense and all of my favorite companies would be gone.

QQ moar please.

The customer did not kill the franchise that you love. The publisher did.

...Because the customer didn't buy it. I'm not saying that they customer was wrong in not buying it. I'm not a Dead Space fan, and I am baffled as to why they decided to change everything for the 3rd installment in a series, but don't say that the customer doesn't hold at least partial responsibility. EA was the one that pulled the trigger (possibly), but the customers (or lack thereof) gave them the ammo.

EA's Target: 5 Million

Black Ops 2 Launch Day: 11 Million

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2): 12 million

They knew what they were getting themselves into.
I swear, there has to be some way for the Developers to get out of there, I mean, just SOMETHING, unfair conditions, noting how they are all fired following a Game's Failure, ANYTHING!

FalloutJack:

punipunipyo:
EA...

Your problem... Oregon.
Your solution... Steam

Put that game on steam, you'll have my/my brother's money, and probably a million others...

Hey, leave the state of Oregon out of this! They didn't do anything!

<_<

>_>

...right?

Lightknight:
Sim-Ads

So, brain-flash... Why is EA advertising to a site that hates its guts? Have they never been here before? I KNOW they don't have pattern recognition, but COME ON!

OOPS... damn spell check... I mean *Origin... I just pulled a Capcom... didn't I?

Noooo! You don't say! Taking a game and completely changing it from a horror game and turning it into a co-op game killed it? And EA deny it? Nooo! Balderdash!

thebobmaster:

purifico:

major_chaos:

Yea I'm so proud of you guys **** about things that you have blown way out of proportion and killing franchise I love. gamer power. wooo. if gamers "voted with their wallets" on every game that caused a shitstorm with something insignificant the only thing left would be pretentious "indie" "gaums are ART guise" nonsense and all of my favorite companies would be gone.

QQ moar please.

The customer did not kill the franchise that you love. The publisher did.

...Because the customer didn't buy it. I'm not saying that they customer was wrong in not buying it. I'm not a Dead Space fan, and I am baffled as to why they decided to change everything for the 3rd installment in a series, but don't say that the customer doesn't hold at least partial responsibility. EA was the one that pulled the trigger (possibly), but the customers (or lack thereof) gave them the ammo.

Il agree its partial, although very very (very very very very very) minimal.
It was their job to put out something that consumers would want to buy and they didnt. Its not our fault we didnt want it nor is it our responsibility to perchase any product we see. People had been voicing concerns for a while and they steam rolled ahead ignoring the complaints and then released something we didnt want to buy.

we cant really be held responsible for that

Hypothesis: Announcement that Dead Space may die drives spurned fans to buy Dead Space 3.

Of course, I don't really see that happening, but it was certainly one of the first thoughts I had upon reading this. It could be EA trying to be clever in their own self-assumed, hand-wringing, giggling softly sort of way that most people who consider themselves Thanatos (but actually aren't) sort of way.

Either way, my cousin was a big fan of Dead Space, and I'll have to ask him if he's surprised by this later. I'm not, but then again I'm wasn't surprised that Miyamoto's requested changes to Paper Mario 3DS caused it to suck. I wonder if Nintendo was surprised.

Desert Punk:
If only... EA went the way of THQ

If they keep doing what they're doing, I'd be suprised if they don't.

FalloutJack:

Lightknight:
Sim-Ads

So, brain-flash... Why is EA advertising to a site that hates its guts? Have they never been here before? I KNOW they don't have pattern recognition, but COME ON!

Hah, well, the ads are gone today...

This site is a game site and of course people read here that buy games. This site is a good investment for marketing. That being said, the sheer volumn of money they threw at marketing is part of the problem. They completely overdo it and they overdo it in every aspect of their product line. Nothing will ever come in at a reasonable budget the way they do it.

The fact that they're doing business poorly and yet are so large is staggering. They need to pick a reasonable budget and stick with it. If someone does that, what comes out is what they can afford, for better or worse. Not some insanely priced game that they can never hope to make a return on. So there's the side where they're doing bad business and the side where they don't get thier audience.

Again, they alienated their core horror fans by specifically turning it into action/adventure and they have already alienated non-horror fans by the series being horror. They took a really successful niche game and plopped it into an area that robbed it of any niche advantage. Dumb EA, dumb. I don't think I needed my business degree to tell me that, but hopefully they'll hire someone soon that has one of their own to help them along.

spartandude:

thebobmaster:

purifico:

QQ moar please.

The customer did not kill the franchise that you love. The publisher did.

...Because the customer didn't buy it. I'm not saying that they customer was wrong in not buying it. I'm not a Dead Space fan, and I am baffled as to why they decided to change everything for the 3rd installment in a series, but don't say that the customer doesn't hold at least partial responsibility. EA was the one that pulled the trigger (possibly), but the customers (or lack thereof) gave them the ammo.

Il agree its partial, although very very (very very very very very) minimal.
It was their job to put out something that consumers would want to buy and they didnt. Its not our fault we didnt want it nor is it our responsibility to perchase any product we see. People had been voicing concerns for a while and they steam rolled ahead ignoring the complaints and then released something we didnt want to buy.

we cant really be held responsible for that

I agree. The tone of your post that I replied to seemed to indicate that you felt the customer had no bearing on what happened, which wasn't the case. I apologize if I misinterpreted it. I agree that we don't have a moral obligation to buy unwanted games just because others want us to. I just thought you were totally dismissing the fact that the game didn't sell, saying that wasn't the reason it may have been cancelled, because the customer isn't responsible.

Again, not saying that everyone should have bought it just because they liked the franchise name, as that is the kind of thinking that leads to Capcom Sequel Stagnation. I just feel that as far as responsibility for the franchise going down, the fact remains that the customer is somewhat responsible, since the series would have continued if it had sold more. EA is responsible for ending the franchise, and for making the game undesirable to own (well, possibly. Not sure how much control a publisher has in the development of a game). Basically, the game design built the explosive barrel, the lack of buyers created the flame that EA decided to use to light the fuse, if you get my analogy.

man, i seriously wonder who the hell runs sales predictions at EA.

I probably said this before, but ill say it again; i predict major financial problems for EA this year.

MercurySteam:
You guys don't want me as your enemy.

I bet they are so... *Yawns* Scared.

lithium.jelly:
Or maybe, and bear with me here 'cause this is just a crazy idea off the top of my head, just maybe... The way EA turned it into Call of Duty With Space Zombies might have had something to do with it not selling so well. Maybe the people who liked Dead Space the way it was didn't want yet another crappy shooter, and maybe the people who like games like Call of Duty are already satisfied with, say, Call of Duty?

Strange how companies, esp EA, can't get that simple fact through their thick skull.
I don't get how the industry can be so bloody stupid.

Tomaius:

MercurySteam:
You guys don't want me as your enemy.

I bet they are so... *Yawns* Scared.

Don't bet on it man, my future self (from the future I might add) says in 2023 there's a film called "Vengeance: The Rise of MercurySteam"

lithium.jelly:
Maybe the people who liked Dead Space the way it was didn't want yet another crappy shooter, and maybe the people who like games like Call of Duty are already satisfied with, say, Call of Duty?

I agree with the first part, but you have to admit that the people who like Call of Duty seem to have an insatiable appetite for moar Call of Duty.

RicoADF:

lithium.jelly:
Or maybe, and bear with me here 'cause this is just a crazy idea off the top of my head, just maybe... The way EA turned it into Call of Duty With Space Zombies might have had something to do with it not selling so well. Maybe the people who liked Dead Space the way it was didn't want yet another crappy shooter, and maybe the people who like games like Call of Duty are already satisfied with, say, Call of Duty?

Strange how companies, esp EA, can't get that simple fact through their thick skull.
I don't get how the industry can be so bloody stupid.

Because it's not a "fact" and they're not stupid. Look at Mass Effect. EA bought it and turned it into Gears of War Lite and voila! Mass Effect 2 was born, and sold way more copies than Mass Effect 1. Sometimes changing a franchise to appeal to the good old "broader audience" does pay off. Financially, I mean.

punipunipyo:
EA...

Your problem... Oregon.

You keep OREGON® chainsaw parts out of this!

Akisa:
Oh geez take out any originality, add co-op to a horror game and add micro transaction to a full price game, how would it ever fail?

Come now, it's the "same DNA" as always!

..>Why is my conscience stabbing me?

RicoADF:

Strange how companies, esp EA, can't get that simple fact through their thick skull.
I don't get how the industry can be so bloody stupid.

Actually, if you think about it, CODifying games works far more often than it doesn't. It's easy to take away the lesson, then, that this is the direction to take. Especially when you consider the statement you're agreeing with is only speculation.

Lovely Mixture:

Tomaius:

MercurySteam:
You guys don't want me as your enemy.

I bet they are so... *Yawns* Scared.

Don't bet on it man, my future self (from the future I might add) says in 2023 there's a film called "Vengeance: The Rise of MercurySteam"

I'm liking the sound of that. Will there be punching? I'm guessing there will be some punching....

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