SimCity Offline-Mode Patch Won't Be Arriving "Any Time Soon"

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kailus13:

Desert Punk:

If you want a really good laugh

http://www.ea.com/executives

Not a single one of their own executives are even playing that shitty game they released :3

Peter Ricitello appears to be playing it now. I also noticed that his sim looks more human than he does.

He is playing SimCity Social
http://www.ea.com/simcity-social

That is a completely different game than Sim City :P

Desert Punk:
Well, when that offline patch gets around to getting made, then they can have my money, not a moment sooner though.

This.

I'll take what I can get, and I'm glad they're "looking into it".

As soon as they look into it, make it, tweak it and RELEASE it, though, I'll buy the game at full price. As is, I'd buy it for a couple bucks.

Desert Punk:
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If you want a really good laugh

http://www.ea.com/executives

Not a single one of their own executives are even playing that shitty game they released :3

This is grasping at straws. The game was released less than a week ago, and I doubt they've updated the EA Website to compensate. Most companies have to go through Doc Control to even rev a website.

well Maxis kinda has to take the blame otherwise EA would probably have a few words for them lol...

gotta have em offline modes tho :/

DVS BSTrD:
It's funny that they just can't say no.

And they wonder why so many don't trust them or their parent company.

"Hey, this is on Maxis. EA does not force design upon us."

I don't buy that for a second.

Every major design decision in SimCity follows the EA roadmap (more emphasis on DLC and multiplayer, with Origin-centric distribution), but hey, that could just be coincidence, right? Those are more "guidelines" than hard rules for development.

What isn't coincidence is the fact that SimCity runs on EA's SERVERS which is handled entirely through the Origin SERVICE.
Maxis is completely dependent on EA here; so don't try to tell me it's only Maxis' fault when the SERVICE side collapses.

Besides, even if we assume Maxis had full development autonomy (which is patently absurd, considering EA owns and backs them) EA is the publisher. Surely it's part of their job to pay attention to what their competition is doing (both good and bad, success and flop) and if they paid any attention at all in the last year, they might have noticed this little game called Diablo 3.

Customers aren't always right, but I think they might be onto something when another game running a similar model experiences catastrophic backlash, and subsequent extreme user falloff.

Whatever. Next time a major game gets released with a similar always-online DRM scheme, millions of people will buy it anyway, so nothing ever changes.

evilneko:

Diablo 3 isn't always online because DRM. It's because Diablo 3 is an MMO.

No it's not. While it's true it doesn't have a proper single player component you can play by yourself in a private game, so you get lag in 'single player'.

I don't play D3 because it's always online DRM ruins the play experience. So I wont be buying SimCity because it's always on DRM seems to be doing the same.

Desert Punk:
If you want a really good laugh

http://www.ea.com/executives

Not a single one of their own executives are even playing that shitty game they released :3

Well nobody can play the game right now because EA botched the launch by not realizing how many people would buy the game, breaking their servers preventing everyone from playing it because the game wants to constantly be online.

Also the game isn't shitty, I hear praise about the game itself, just that the game can't be played because of shitty business practices. If the game were bad, I don't think this Simcity server issue situation would be as big as it is.
People WANT to play the game, what they did play of it is good, but they can't because EA decided to act like idiots and not bother to even put in a way to simply play offline.
That's where all the refunds and such come in, simply put, if the game were shitty, nobody would care about the servers and ask for a refund anyway but it isn't shitty, so a lot of people care that they can't play it due to a fault on EA's part.

Alphakirby:

Desert Punk:
If you want a really good laugh

http://www.ea.com/executives

Not a single one of their own executives are even playing that shitty game they released :3

Well nobody can play the game right now because EA botched the launch by not realizing how many people would buy the game, breaking their servers preventing everyone from playing it because the game wants to constantly be online.

Also the game isn't shitty, I hear praise about the game itself, just that the game can't be played because of shitty business practices. If the game were bad, I don't think this Simcity server issue situation would be as big as it is.
People WANT to play the game, what they did play of it is good, but they can't because EA decided to act like idiots and not bother to even put in a way to simply play offline.
That's where all the refunds and such come in, simply put, if the game were shitty, nobody would care about the servers and ask for a refund anyway but it isn't shitty, so a lot of people care that they can't play it due to a fault on EA's part.

I never said the gameplay was shitty, the gameplay could be the best thing since sliced bread (I personally didnt enjoy it Edit: very much when I did the beta, I would still buy it were it offline though as some of the features have potential but thats aside the point)

But if the game cant be run, or if they have to continue to cut features out to try to make it run AFTER they have launched it, that makes it a pretty shitty game. Because a non shitty game would let you play it reliably as well as having good gameplay.

So yeah, shitty game because of the inability to play it, not a shitty game because the gameplay is shitty.

And with that, I think I have reached my quota of shitty for the day! :P

Kinda funny how Companys think that "multiplayer" excuses everything.

For fucks sake, Sim City is something I wanna play, while sipping tea, leaning back and do nothing else, instead of trying to befriend, ignore or trade around with human beeings.

I have tons of games for that, from TF2 to WoT up to my usual Minecraft servers.

But hey! It is multiplayer focused! Cause you know.... Sim City! Don't you remember all those LAN Partys where we been playing Sim City for hours? No? Me neither! >:P

Sorry guys, but this will be the first sim City title I won't buy, better luck next time.

DVS BSTrD:
It's funny that they just can't say no.

I wish they would just say no. They kept harping on and on that the single player was going to have to be online for their DRM to work.

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I wish EA would stick to their guns more often and just tell people, "This is how we are going to do business, deal with it, move onto to someone and something else. And, if you use piracy as a way to 'get back at us', will rain fire and brimstone down upon you, for pirates are the evil plague that needs to be eradicated."

Yes they would lose paying customers, but not enough to matter. I know there are plenty of people that play EA games, like me, that can easily put up with what they do. I hate more the pirates and people that think they deserve to play games the way they want instead of how they were designed, than having a little inconvenience of waiting a little bit as they fix the problem and get the DRM to work.

I'm all for a war against piracy even if there are friendly casualties blown by the wayside. Pay or you don't play. Don't have a demo to test a game, too bad, look at reviews and let's plays to make your decision, or pay and live with the purchase. Don't have the internet to handle the game, too bad, wait till you do or find another game.

I seriously don't care if I'm viewed as some mustache twirling bad guy "ruining" fun and "consumer rights", as long as I know I'm on the right side.

Come on EA, don't falter to the silly complaints. Channel your wrongly demonized outside and practices, while nurturing that good at heart core that they are to blind to see.

Just wait for a few weeks there's bound to be an offline crack sooner or later, pretty much all these always online DRM attempts get cracked within a few hours to a few weeks, as someone with programming experience i can also tell you it is not impossible to change the game to allow for an offline mode Maxis simply do not think it financially viable (or they just don't want to).

I also have to point out that after a few years without a crack or an offline patch you won't even be able to replay this once EA decides its not worth having the servers.

There are some games I just want to be anti social in. And Sim City? Yeah that would DEFINATELY be one of them.
Multiplayer OPTIONS are nice but frankly for games like that, I want to escape the world, including online friends and people. Which is kinda not possible now that I'm 'renting' space on your crammed servers and thusly having my gameplay impacted not by my computer but by your 'service'.

You make an offline mode. And you have my money and a lift on my EA boycott. Hows that sound?

No? Welp plenty of other shit to do.

I remember the good ol days when companies actually considered choice to be a good thing. Now it is a relic of the past. They no longer want you to choose to play single player or multiplayer, you will have to play what they tell you. Or you know just play good old games or new games that let you do that.

oh look !*cracks knuckles* here we go...

NotSoNimble:
Since Diablo 3 was such a giant commercial success, and has had such a positive impact versus PC internet piracy, it's no surprise that EA has adopted the always online DRM.

Diablo 3 was a comercial sucess because it was Diablo 3 , made by a company known for quality...it was going to sell regardless that is why they were able to get away with it....because when faced with the choice many people accepted the always online, that and blizard being the owner of the biggest online game ever were shifting their focus in that direction

you seem to assume that priacy is the biggest problem/reason for this kind of thing...aside from how much damage piracy ACTUALLY does no..itd about money, blizzard "MMO"-ifed diablo 3 for the aution house...and that sweet sweet money

EA Maxis is working/updating/changing things, in such an aggressive way, that PC gamers should be thankful.

because a company goes and does what they are suposed to do (tries too unfuck the big mess that didnt need to happnen int he first place) we should be grateful?

no....we have a right to be pissed off

the thing about PC gamers is we are not so starved for developers to "give us games" because 90% of us are aparently pirates that we are willing to bend over for who ever throws us a bone

generally speaking EA has dont from "anti consumer" to "disney villan levels of retarded"

The numbers have spoken, and this much care (after launch problems) is truly a step towards the right and only direction.

.......for what? we don't need always online

EDIT: Before you troll me:

oh how cute....differing opinions is trolling now..or *LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU*

Look at the companies that are currently being pirated the most... Square Enix, Bethesda, Mojang, Ubisoft, hell, even Valve games are more pirated than Blizzards Diablo 3...

yah...always online is so great..look at how well it went for Ubisoft oh wait

again your assuming that piracy is the biggest factor when it comes to making/breaking games sales. They might get priated more but what about the actual sale numbers? and unlike EA those companies (generally) build a fan base buy making quality games.....I mean just look at EA's treatment of Dead Space 3

lol

what the fuck are you laughing at?

Sidney Buit:
I suppose you could look at Diablo 3 specifically, but that's a niche game that only a tiny portion of gamers would even enjoy. I haven't even once been motivated to look at Diablo 3, and none of that has anything to do with it having online DRM.
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....assuming your not joking

what? how the hell is a game like Diablo 3 "niche"

Vault101:
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Deep breaths vault, deep calming breaths. :P

You have to remember, you are talking to a person who thought that "that game where you try to hook up with cripples" which was released for free....was a highly pirated game.

And here, this should entertain you:

Desert Punk:

Vault101:
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Deep breaths vault, deep calming breaths. :P

You have to remember, you are talking to a person who thought that "that game where you try to hook up with cripples" which was released for free....was a highly pirated game.

yeah that did....raise the red flag (well it was already raised but it hoisted it further) its just when people put "lol" at the end of their points it pisses me off to no end

Desert Punk:
If you want a really good laugh

http://www.ea.com/executives

Not a single one of their own executives are even playing that shitty game they released :3

The real comedy is the two people playing warfighter.

Desert Punk:

Vault101:
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Deep breaths vault, deep calming breaths. :P

You have to remember, you are talking to a person who thought that "that game where you try to hook up with cripples" which was released for free....was a highly pirated game.

And here, this should entertain you:

That guy was either a troll or very poor researcher.

Also: Are the other Saiyan Lets Plays as good as the Simcity one? Because that was brilliant.

Ed130:

Also: Are the other Saiyan Lets Plays as good as the Simcity one? Because that was brilliant.

They are my favorite lets plays

Though they don't play through full games, they will spend 1 or 2 videos on a game then switch

Ed130:

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"Think Consumers First"?

Aww, it's cute, they must think we're anthromorphic wallets.

OT: Oh Maxis, Maxis, Maxis...I loved the Sims series (Though with Sims 3 you just went weird somewhere...) and now you're shooting yourself in the foot. I've never had any interest in your new SimCity game and that worsened when I saw two DLC 'skins' go for pre-order for $10 each. That's when the alarm bells went off pretty hard. Heck, I didn't know about the multiplayer focus or the always online DRM till a couple of days before release.

It's easier to dig to the side and up! Going down will just help you find lava!

Vault101:
....assuming your not joking

what? how the hell is a game like Diablo 3 "niche"

Diablo 3 is a game made to cater toward the Dungeon-Crawler/Diablo Franchise niche.

I didn't say it was a small niche, but it certainly isn't a game designed to appeal to people not already interested in dungeon-crawlers or previous Diablo games.

KeyMaster45:
Then I hope they won't mind if I have no plans to give them my money anytime in the foreseeable future.

"but, but, but, you're a huge pile of money looking at me!"

OT as soon as I heard this was always online I lost interest, as far as I can see there is no reason why they couldn't have made it a solo game as well as a online multiplayer.

Sonic Doctor:

I wish they would just say no. They kept harping on and on that the single player was going to have to be online for their DRM to work.

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I wish EA would stick to their guns more often and just tell people, "This is how we are going to do business, deal with it, move onto to someone and something else. And, if you use piracy as a way to 'get back at us', will rain fire and brimstone down upon you, for pirates are the evil plague that needs to be eradicated."

Yes they would lose paying customers, but not enough to matter. I know there are plenty of people that play EA games, like me, that can easily put up with what they do. I hate more the pirates and people that think they deserve to play games the way they want instead of how they were designed, than having a little inconvenience of waiting a little bit as they fix the problem and get the DRM to work.

I'm all for a war against piracy even if there are friendly casualties blown by the wayside. Pay or you don't play. Don't have a demo to test a game, too bad, look at reviews and let's plays to make your decision, or pay and live with the purchase. Don't have the internet to handle the game, too bad, wait till you do or find another game.

I seriously don't care if I'm viewed as some mustache twirling bad guy "ruining" fun and "consumer rights", as long as I know I'm on the right side.

Come on EA, don't falter to the silly complaints. Channel your wrongly demonized outside and practices, while nurturing that good at heart core that they are to blind to see.

I'm not actually interested in debating piracy with you, I just thought I should point out that nobody ever thinks they are on the wrong side.

On second thoughts, let's talk. Punishing paying customers, even by accident, is only helping the pirates.
If we are comparing this issue to war then it would be like carpet bombing an area based on a rumour that your enemies are there and damn the consequences.

Nocturnus:
Here's the fact of the matter. SimCity, from the very beginning, was designed to be an online multiplayer game.

No, the fact of the matter is that SimCity is a single player game, just like every previous version, and they shoehorned multiplayer elements in to try and justify the always online DRM. Too bad nothing ever justifies always online DRM, especially when it fails this spectacularly.

But hey, keep defending EA for no reason, they might notice and send you a fruit basket one of these days.

zinho73:

NotSoNimble:

Sidney Buit:

#1 pirated game: Crysis 2 (EA)
#2 pirated game: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision)
#3 pirated game: Battlefield 3 (EA/Sega)
#4 pirated game: FIFA 12 (EA)
#5 pirated game: Portal 2 (Valve Corporation)

Would you like to rephrase your statement?

I suppose you could look at Diablo 3 specifically, but that's a niche game that only a tiny portion of gamers would even enjoy. I haven't even once been motivated to look at Diablo 3, and none of that has anything to do with it having online DRM.

Edit: The above list are PC piracy stats from 2011. Similar results are found on other platforms and other years.

Diablo 3 doesn't have the always online DRM? The games you listed do?

Eh?

EDIT: Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Farcry 3, and Skyrim are at (mostly) the top today lad. They don't have the DRM. Or am I wrong about that? I admit, I could be. I only hear about Diablo 3 and Sim City being the devil.

There are more sure, but even Minecraft is currently being pirated more then Diablo 3.... so is Assassins Creed Revelations.... REVELATIONS for damned sake!

Boarderlands 2, the Japan graphic novel where you try to score with cripples, a lot of games that were released well before Diablo 3. Left 4 Dead 2... Amnesia the Dark Descent, Batman Arkham city, COD MW2, CIV V, Total War Shogun 2, Mafia 2, ect ect

But NOOOOOOOO

It's always online DRM that makes people pirate.... lol

People don't pirate games made from good devs right?

Tell that to the thousands of people right now pirating The Witcher 2!

*giggles

Always online DRM clearly reduces piracy - at the expense of harassing paying customers. Those companies are making you pay for their problem.

More important, it is not clear if piracy even reduces revenue for the companies, because most pirates would not buy the game anyway. The extra cost with servers and maintenance (and free games and law suits and returns) might not be worth it.

On top of that, companies are losing their good will. Diablo 3 only sold its millions copies because of the name alone. I, for one, am not willing to ever pre order a game from Blizzard again, and gave buying the next Starcraft.

Atrocious DRM can hurt your business a lot and, most importantly, hurts the consumer - the game is not yours anymore and this is simply terrible.

^This. This man's got it.

I'm pretty sure the statement 'DRM hurts the paying customer more than anyone else' rings truer than ever before in this case

Reducing piracy is basic raising fidelity. And fidelity in business and in personal life requires the same thing:

Respect, willing to give up certain things, complicity and care.
Being good in bed also helps.

Imposing conditions in order to be together may work for awhile, but sooner or later, people would not mind about you anymore.

Sonic Doctor:

Yes they would lose paying customers, but not enough to matter.

All I can do is hope that it is indeed enough, because when enough people give in is how consumers as a whole get trampled.

Sonic Doctor:
I know there are plenty of people that play EA games, like me, that can easily put up with what they do.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Sonic Doctor:
I hate more the pirates

Fair enough

Sonic Doctor:
and people that think they deserve to play games the way they want instead of how they were designed

And why is that? Exactly what harm am I doing to a game by modifying it to be more fun for me? So long as I'm not reselling it, profitting from it, or claiming the modified form is entirely my own creation, how does it harm the creator? I was unaware the developers somehow know what I like better than I do myself. The odds a publisher will make exactly the experience I want are slim-to-nil, but what they make might be close enough that I can turn it into a more perfect experience for myself. I will never buy into the idea that a game is a service or a rental or a license instead of a product.

Sonic Doctor:
, than having a little inconvenience of waiting a little bit as they fix the problem and get the DRM to work.

Waiting a little bit, waiting even one single microsecond, that product is not functional(and therefore arguably fraudulently advertised and sold) as was agreed when the client paid money for it.

Sonic Doctor:
I'm all for a war against piracy even if there are friendly casualties blown by the wayside.

People like you are the reason for things like minimum wage, workplace safety regulations, consumer rights&recourse, and so on; the kind of intentionally-isolated-view who couldn't care less, or worse pretends that the misfortunes of others aren't real, until you're the one being kicked around.I'm absolutely aghast that you'd consider committing fraud (You're 'friendly casualties' who will be cheated out of a game they paid their money for) an acceptable behavior by a corporation, or anyone. I'd guarantee that if you were the one who's game was disabled by a faulty piracy-flag, accused of being a pirate when you sought technical support, and had your Origin account and all the games on it locked because of it, you'd be crying bloody murder over that injustice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came

Sonic Doctor:
Pay or you don't play.

Fair enough

Sonic Doctor:
Don't have a demo to test a game, too bad, look at reviews and let's plays to make your decision, or pay and live with the purchase. Don't have the internet to handle the game, too bad, wait till you do or find another game.

Absolutely unacceptable; how is it fair/right/good/beneficial that the consumers, who DO pay for the product and keep the company in business, suffer for the acts of the pirates? This is like saying it's acceptable to assault one of your friends so long as you yourself were attacked by someone earlier.
A let's play, much less a review (and that's before even considering corruption) is wholly insufficient to emulate the actual experience of playing a specific game.
Wait till you have internet? You can't be serious. That will never happen in rural areas until/unless it becomes legislated (as was done with phone lines), and even then it would takes years, if not decades, to construct the infrastructure. And that's not even accounting for things like frequent travelers. And if this practice isn't stopped dead in its tracks, soon the 'other game' possibility wont exist for those people.

Sonic Doctor:
I seriously don't care if I'm viewed as some mustache twirling bad guy "ruining" fun and "consumer rights", as long as I know I'm on the right side.

1. No one ever thinks they're on the wrong side.
2. How is what you're suggesting not 'ruining consumer rights' then? What's the line between acceptable/unacceptable? What recourse would a consumer have over being explicitly robbed?
3. If you get your way, you entirely deserve what's coming; publishers won't stop where they are now, as companies like EA will do as they have always done: they will keep pushing exactly how far they can exploit people like you.

Sonic Doctor:
Come on EA, don't falter to the silly complaints.

Whether or not EA's launch of the Simcity is ultimately determined to be fraud or not from a legal perspective, the allegation itself is a pretty damn serious matter. Serious enough that people are taking it to their banks and implicitly accusing EA of such by instigating back-charges.

Sonic Doctor:
Channel your wrongly demonized outside and practices, while nurturing that good at heart core that they are to blind to see.

The only thing EA want's to nourish is their bank account, and they will happily abuse your faith in them to do it.

NotSoNimble:

EA Maxis is working/updating/changing things, in such an aggressive way, that PC gamers should be thankful.

The numbers have spoken, and this much care (after launch problems) is truly a step towards the right and only direction.

So basically your idea is this:
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Yeah no thank you, Maxis fucked up on this big time and I'm not wasting my money on DRM that has been proven to not work.

And Diablo wasn't pirated that much because it was a rubbish game.

Oh and how bethesda gets pirated a lot? Your right, you want to know what else?

http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

Yeah, look how BADLY no DRM is hurting them.

Crazy idea here...but if you want to "earn back gamer's trust" then maybe you shouldn't blatantly lie about offline mode being impossible to do.

To hell with official patches. Somebody get cracking on that offline mod!

Sonic Doctor:
SNIP

I've got news for ya, doc. That kind of honesty WOULD kill the company, which is why they can't do it. Think about it. They already say alot of boneheaded things in an attempt to keep things in check. If they're honest now, they're dead.

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