Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED

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Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED

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He may look like the bass player from a Bauhaus cover band, but Eidos says it's actually toned down the "goth" look of the redesigned Garrett.

Like it or not, a new Thief means a new Garrett, although game director Nicolas Cantin said that while Eidos had "carte blanche" on the design, the team wanted to keep Garrett's "main DNA" because it works pretty well as-is. But change is inevitable, and the anti-hero of the upcoming series reboot will not be quite as we remember him.

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market," Cantin said. "He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

"Time has moved on," Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. "We're not still in 1998."

Perhaps even more interesting, and certainly more confusing, is Cantin's statement that Eidos has toned down Garrett's "gothic" look to make him more mainstream. "For example, black nails and things like that - we don't have that any more. We want to make him a little bit more mainstream on that," he explained. "Yes, he's a dark character, but we don't want really to say he's a gothic one, even though the Victorian period feels really gothic."

Yet while the original Garrett wasn't what I'd call particularly goth, the new guy comes to the party with a pasty, pale complexion, skin-tight leather and more eyeshadow than Siouxsie Sioux. That's not necessarily a bad thing (or so I keep telling myself, as I struggle to keep a lid on the inches-from-freaking-out long-time Thief fan inside me) but if this is the "less goth" Garrett, I can't even begin to imagine what he looked like originally. Bereft in deathly bloom, perhaps - alone in a darkened room. Or am I just missing something here?

Source: GameInformer

UPDATE: In response to concerns about all this "less goth" business, Cantin clarified his words on the Eidos Montreal blog. "Hey guys, I think I might not have illustrated some of my points clearly on the video. It's not correct to say that we're trying to make Thief 'mainstream', or that we're trying to make Garrett 'less gothic'... This isn't the case," he said.

"I was referring specifically to a previous Garrett design we tried out internally and not Garrett from the previous games. Our early design went a LOT more gothic - with black nails etc - but we thought that this wasn't true to the legacy of Garrett so we pulled it back a bit. Returning to something more true to the original Garrett is what I meant when I said we made him more 'mainstream', this wasn't a comment about the direction of the game," he continued. "I can assure you we're huge fans of the original games and we've done our homework to create a game that maintains the essence of the original. I can't wait to show you more of the game and Garrett soon!"

The blog post stated that Thief will be a "story-driven, first-person adventure as made famous by past games in the franchise" and that it will be possible to get through the entire game without killing anyone, adding, "Garrett is a Master Thief, not a killing machine."

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Ahem. That's *less* goth? Seriously?

He looks like a freaking panda!

I think I'm going to have to pretend like this remake never happened.

He reminds me of the merchant from Resident Evil 4, only with a more monotone appearance.

He looks like a mopey little bastard. I hope he doesn't ever start whining about how terrible it is stealing everything that isn't nailed down.

Okay, fine, I'm just a little bitter they took out the supernatural elements. Doesn't mean this won't be good of course.

You're right Andy he looks pretty goth to me.

Also: a reboot that focuses more on action in order to appeal to "the modern audience of today's console market"? How unusual.

Looks like a fifteen year old that took their Halloween costume too seriously.

Looks like a scene kid who just won an all expenses paid shopping spree at Hot Topic.

This... does not make me feel confident. Hopefully "more action moves" means more dynamic and acrobatic ways of traversing the environment and not "more forced combat." Because fuck that noise.

I wouldn't bet on it, though :[

ScrabbitRabbit:
This... does not make me feel confident. Hopefully "more action moves" means more dynamic and acrobatic ways of traversing the environment and not "more forced combat." Because fuck that noise.

I wouldn't bet on it, though :[

Chances are, it will probably mean more QTEs.

Oh god that makes me worried especially with them saying they want him to appeal to a more mainstream audience, that just sounds like them preemptively covering themselves in case this goes as bad as they're afraid it will.

I've had too many beloved franchises be rebooted in a spirit that's not even close to the original to have my hopes high for this.

But we'll see.

"Time has moved on," Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. "We're not still in 1998."

Yeah back in '98 if someone came to rob your house dressed like that they'd get laughed out of town :P

I think they still need to tone it back several notches there. Also I don't remember Garrett being particularly goth to begin with, more a loner who just cares about doing what he needs to do to get paid.

Damn it Eidos I want to be positive about this reboot, but with no supernatural elements, "actiony" stuff, instinct mode and now eyeliner, you have me a little concerned.

I bet there will be cover based shooting and regenerating health.

I think he looks pretty cool, like pretty much every thief/rogue character in fantasy ever but still i think he looks cool. but garrettt wasnt really all the gothy in the other games, atleast from what i remeber.

I happen to like his new look. Stephen Russell better be doing his voice though or I'll riot!

Nope doesn't look like a goth.

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Well a historic goth anyway

I think you accidentally used a screenshot from The Crow instead of one from Thief.

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Yeah.... old Garrett was totally a goth..... I'm not one to worry about reboots - but this plus the whole "action scene" quote have me slightly concerned.

Whoops Double post, my bad.

The eyeshadow looks a bit silly, but whatever. I care a lot more about whether they get Stephen Russell back to do Garrett's voice.

Might be a bit dramatic of me, but i'm already bracing myself for a MASSIVE disappointment. The obvious bullshit devspeak ("appeal to a wider/console audience", "more actiony) with the art direction going for a teenager dark and edgy mood. I can already foresee they're gonna focus on the ambiance and story, with a lot of swish swash action and throw all the interesting and challenging stealth gameplay through the window.

I would love to be wrong, but i've seen this pattern repeat too many times already.

These comments do make me wonder how well the producers actually understand the original games. To my memory Garrett was way more Han Solo than The Crow's Eric. He's also mixing his metaphors here. "Goth" the sub-culture and "Gothic" the architectural style and 18th century literary movement are not at all the same thing. Modern Goths share far more DNA with early twentieth-century B&W film, horror in particular, and Punk Rock than with the 'Victorian' setting... What a weird thing to say.

Anyway, designs are ok I guess. 'Action oriented' is making me sweat a little, though. 'Deadly Shadows' was the first console Thief title, with an updated, 'cool' Garrett available in third person. It's generally considered to be the weakest (most watered-down if you're feeling mean) of the 3 Thief games. Just get your priorities straight guys!

Revamping the character a bit comes with the times, sure. I'm not against that, as long as the focus stay more on a thief not an assassin. We already have Dishonored and Assassin's Creed. But seriously what's less goth about that than.

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ScrabbitRabbit:
This... does not make me feel confident. Hopefully "more action moves" means more dynamic and acrobatic ways of traversing the environment and not "more forced combat." Because fuck that noise.

I wouldn't bet on it, though :[

Maybe it'll be like Dishonored where you have the choice of being stealthy or not.

Less goth? That's LESS goth?! I expect the first mission to involve robbing a Hot Topic.

This does not bode well for the future of one of my favorite franchises.

Guy Jackson:

ScrabbitRabbit:
This... does not make me feel confident. Hopefully "more action moves" means more dynamic and acrobatic ways of traversing the environment and not "more forced combat." Because fuck that noise.

I wouldn't bet on it, though :[

Maybe it'll be like Dishonored where you have the choice of being stealthy or not.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to that, I did love Dishonored. My only complaint was that it wasn't quite as challenging as I would have liked.

Maybe Garret's new pasty white face and eyes with copious amounts of eyeshadow are part of a new mechanic where he has to scare enemies away?

*guard patrols hallway. Notices something in corner.*
"Holy crap, there's a disembodies ghostface staring at me!"
*guard runs off screaming like a little girl.*

In any case, this news is somewhat worrisome. I doubt we'll be getting a new Thief, but with a little luck we might get a good Dishonored knock-off.

Nicolas Cantin:
"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market... He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

To me, the Thief franchise is all about the Gothic ambience (in an historically-accepted, literary sense).
My expectations for this just took a nosedive. :|
*sighs*

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market... He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

Welp. Its fucked. Shit has been wrekt. Expectations dragged out into the street lined up against a wall and shot twice in the kneecap and then in the head.

Oh my heart.... I can't take this.....oh fuck.... it's pure rage....

Appeal to the console market by turning Thief into an Action Game!? You already tried that. You FAILED at it. It was the WORST, most linear thief game of them all and sold the poorest. No... I don't want this. You already partially fucked up Deus Ex. It was still a good game but it was nowhere near what it should have been had you not beaten it with a hammer until it went stupid.

Why must you do this? If you don't want to make a fucking Thief game why make a fucking Thief game. The people on console won't know what thief is because it was before most of them were 2 years old at the time. So the name has no brand value, the only people that are guaranteed to notice are people who have played thief and those are the people that will call bullshit on what I suspect will be Dishonoured with Thieves.

What is with the "to" Gothic bullshit to? This is the MOST Gothic he has ever looked. He always looked more like a shabby thief, because he was a shabby thief. Why does he have two eyes? Him being one eyed was a part of the mythos. The one eyed thief was his nickname.

Here is how he looked in concept art.

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Where do the devs see black nails and mascara? He looks like he breaks into buildings for a living and will shank you if you cross him. That is how he is supposed to look! This guy? He looks like he's going to a goth concert and has a cold so he's wearing a scarf over his face. These people have never played the original games have they?

This is so gonna blow chunks.

IMO if they want to radically redesign the character they shouldn't be doing a "Thief" sequel but instead make a new IP/Franchise entirely based around what they want, rather than changing everything saying "this is Garret" and slapping the name "Thief" on it in hopes of getting some nostolgia points.

Honestly my first thoughts were less "Goth" than someone's self-made picture of their Sith character from a D20 Star Wars Game... you know what someone might draw on their character sheet. Give him a glowing red lightsaber and he'd fit right in.

Either that or a Vampire Ninja who is trying way too hard.

To even enter "goth" into this discussion makes me think that the person dropping that term is using a buzz word without really knowing what it means or what the style is like. I mean this guy looks more "goth" than the old look which was a pretty stereotypical sword and sorcery rogue. But even so it doesn't really look "goth" so much as like someone trying to make "hip" dark fantasy without really quite getting it. Heck, the black eyeliner makes him look more cyberpunk or futuristic since that really wasn't a "style" in the middle ages.

Really, if they haven't done much programming yet it seems to me that they need to re-think their character models. To be honest it seems to me that the interest in reviving Thief is largely because of the success of "Dishonored" and they seem to be trying to play "follow the leader" with that game's atmosphere without seeming like that's what they are trying to do.

Garret is the kind of rogue who wears a hooded cloak for example, not the kind of dude who wears a hoodie (which doesn't seem to be attached to a cloak) with a ninja mask. Leather armor is okay, but even if the guy sneaks around at night he should not look like he bathes in white base or has had every drop of blood drained out of him. I've seen milk that is less white than this guy... and that's okay if your Elric (who is an Albino) but otherwise a no-no for fantasy. The freaking eyeliner though... and the extraneous shoulder pad... I mean WTF.

Oh no... The whole speech gives me a bad feeling.

"We wanted to make him more mainstream so now it's set in a modern day battlefield and he's soldier out for revenge! Also, he drinks Cola! And eats doritos! And wears Adidas!"

Less gothic? I don't even know what's going on there. I never once saw him as gothic. The setting had goth themes, maybe that's what they're getting at...? But is anybody else getting the feeling these guys never played the originals?

I .. um ... geeze. I don't know about this. In the first two thief games you rarely even saw Garret full on. Mostly he was in shadows or silhouette. But this ... I ... it just makes me feel sad and crushed. :(

That's their idea of less goth? He looks like a band member from My Chemical Romance.
Also I haven't much experience with Thief yet but...when was Garret ever supposed to be Goth?
I thought he was just supposed to resemble a traditional rogue.

EDIT FOLLOWING THE UPDATE: Ah yes context, it's a beautiful thing.

Welp, that's that. I had been so looking forward to this, too. Now it sounds like it's going to be CoD with bows and free running. This is no longer a day one purchase for me; I will wait a few weeks after release to find out what it's really like, and whether it's actually a Thief game or just s shitty action game with the the Thief name duct taped to the box.

Good thing I have the old Thief series on Steam, I might go back and play through those again. I don't care that they look like ass, they're still some of the best stealth games ever made.

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