Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED

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Andy Chalk:

"Time has moved on," Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. "We're not still in 1998."

Yes, and that's exactly the problem. I wish developers still had the balls to follow what they themselves wanted to see in their games like they did in the 90s, rather than now where they're so thoroughly whipped by shareholder's desires to appease a modern crowd with minimal departure from the samey games that are flooding the market.

Make a damn THIEF game- the way YOU believe it should be- not the way you just hope the crowd of 13 year olds whose parents have fat wallets just *might* like it to be.

It isn't the same team that made DE:HR. Same company, not same people.
"It's not 1998 anymore". Tell that to Kickstarter, asshole.
"action". This is NOT A WORD THAT GOES WITH THE THIEF SERIES. Anymore than "First person shooter" should be in Starcraft 3.

Dear Mr. Smart-ass, fuck-you-actual-thief-fans-we-like-consoles developer, you have officially demoted your game to:
*Not pre-ordering,
*Not day-1 purchasing,
*Not reading any more hype.
*Let me know when Yahtzee and RazorFist review it

status.

End.

Necromancer Jim:

furai47:
Hey guys, chill out, it's only a hair colour change, what's the big deal?

Did you... Did you read the article? Or any of the posts? Or anything other than look at the picture?

Jim, I think this guy was making a joke by comparing this to the new DmC changes

I fucking despair of this, both Garrets look and the stream of gibberish from Cantin and Gallagher. Sounds like another beloved IP is going to be butchered for the 'modern console audience', well fuck you Eidos, why dont you make it third person while your at it so you can see your new redesigned character do his 'action moves'

Norrdicus:

Necromancer Jim:

furai47:
Hey guys, chill out, it's only a hair colour change, what's the big deal?

Did you... Did you read the article? Or any of the posts? Or anything other than look at the picture?

Jim, I think this guy was making a joke by comparing this to the new DmC changes

Perhaps so, but one can never be sure on the internet.

Also, I didn't pay attention to anything having to do with DMC, so that wasn't exactly something that registered in my mind.

Plus, it gave me an excuse to say all of the complaints I have with this that have already been stated, so yeah.

Any people feeling like changing their attitude to the DMC outcry now? Not so fun when it's YOUR character getting the reboot stamped in his face, huh?

To be perfectly honest the redesign isn't so much what worries me about this speech. It sorta pales when set next to the statement that they'll make the Thief series more action based. THAT too me seems to be the real cause for worry here. At least Devil May Cry kept the gameplay within the same ballpark.

The sad thing is that if they were using another name people would be ultra hyped at another stealth-action first person game.

When the fucking lead director doesn't even know what he's talking about, you know this remake is going to PAN.

Fucking action moves in a thief game. WE ALREADY HAVE ASSASSIN'S CREED.

Assassin's Creed has no stealth is third person etc.

Cantin:
"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market; He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

Then it's not a Thief game. Thieves do not do action.

They may be scallywags, no-goodniks, ne'er-do-wells, hooligan, scoundrels, and shysters.
But they are not rowdy types.

If the developers are insistent on keeping with this direction then it may be best to drop the Thief brand. Because it might be a pretty darn good game, but it's not a Thief game. And I would just be pissed off about the wasted potential.

Andy Chalk:
<"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market," Cantin said. "He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

"Time has moved on," Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. "We're not still in 1998."

AFHAHFYBUSDBGSTYDVB

WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE

The above statement is everything that is wrong with this fucking industry.

Not only do I find the idea of what is essentially dumbing the franchise down with "le fun mainstream action" repugnant, but the "now he's less gothic" shit is the delusional ramblings of a lunatic if not outright lies. Either they're idiots, which is possible, or they're trying appeal to idiots, which is more than probable. I'm going with second, RIP in peace another franchise.

I don't actually care that much that Garrett has turned goth, but it worries me that Eidos doesn't realize he was never goth, to begin with. Makes me wonder what other fundamental aspects of the game they may have got wrong.

And then, this little gem: "He's now in the game doing more action moves". Way to reassure everyone who thinks this will be a "Not-Thief-But-AssCreed-Dishonored-Lookalike". I'm not bashing on either of those games (I haven't tried Dishonored yet, but I definitely will). But neither of these games is Thief.

Anyway, there's still The Dark Mod and the updated Thief 1 & 2. Because for me, as far as Thief is concerned, the gameplay is totally in 1998. When I want a different gameplay, I play different games.

I don't get what they're trying to do. It's like the XCom shooter and Syndicate remake all over again. Like, literally, the same issues. Have they just spent all their days huffing paint fumes before they go to work? Are they just trying to make all of the old gamers die of heart attacks so that there won't be any left to complain about the grey paste they make the new gamers pay to get a passing taste of?

WWWWWWWWWWWWUT? He looks the exact same + face mask. It's weird they made any deal about this at all.

If it was made as a first person view like the Thief:TDP and Thief 2:TMA his appearance would matter all that much so why are the devs messing with his look? Oh right cause he has to look like the dishonored guys gothy little brother my mistake.

Well on the brightside it looks like i can put off upgrading my pc a little more since I'm not likely to get this game at release.

Necromancer Jim:
Perhaps so, but one can never be sure on the internet.

Also, I didn't pay attention to anything having to do with DMC, so that wasn't exactly something that registered in my mind.

Plus, it gave me an excuse to say all of the complaints I have with this that have already been stated, so yeah.

It appears my Shakespearean writing and excellent satirical commentary has...
Okay, I'm just taking the piss now. What's funny about this is that he says we're not in 1998. I swear this guy saw what our Shakespearean mastermind and saviour Tameem said about what was cool 12 years ago isn't cool now and decided to copy paste it. He did subtract an additional 2 years, I'll give him that.

Auron:
The sad thing is that if they were using another name people would be ultra hyped at another stealth-action first person game.

Oh yes, absolutely. But they aren't. They chose to use the Thief name.

If the guys from, say, Iron Maiden (to name an old "franchise" that has kept its roots stable throughout the years) suddenly wanted to do a Polka album (yeah, too extreme, I know :) ), they're totally entitled to it. But they had better not do it under the name "Iron Maiden".

Names matter. Anyone who needs a good example, just search for "queensryche dedicated to chaos" or "queensryche cabaret tour".

Ahem. That's *less* goth? Seriously?

He looks like a freaking panda!

I think I'm going to have to pretend like this remake never happened.

My thoughts exactly, this incarnation looks like he's in need of a blood transfusion urgently. As other's have pointed out, Garrett hardly looked Goth in the first place. I really hope this isn't portent of how badly they're going to make a mess of the reboot.

Kilo24:

There is also the matter of writing the Hammerites and Pagans. Especially the Pagans, which - with their speech quirks and tree-hugging proclivities - could have easily become a joke instead of the delicately balanced mixture of whimsy and savagery they were in the first two games. Of course, the reboot might cut those factions out (probably to its detriment, since they are a critical part of the setting.)

Oh didnt you hear there is a rumor that there will be no hammerites in this game.

Chester Rabbit:
That's their idea of less goth? He looks like a band member from My Chemical Romance.
Also I haven't much experience with Thief yet but...when was Garret ever supposed to be Goth?
I thought he was just supposed to resemble a traditional rogue.

My Chemical Romance is not Goth.

On the article: I don't much care for the protagonist's look. Andy Chalk's writing however, my goodness that was actually entertaining. Loved the references, well done.

no, he looks now like grumpy cat...
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like he knew he was going to be stuck in a shitty reboot...

also:click here


and stare at the picture of garrett for the entire song.
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OK, consider my interest officially dead. Someone call me when the game has been out for 4 weeks, maybe I'll give it a look then. Until then, I'll be in my dungeon replaying T1 and T2.

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market," Cantin said. "He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

I'm sorry, but if you can't choose to 100% stealth this game (potential bosses I can let slide if they factor in stealth elements) then it's just not a Thief Game. It concerns me that it sounds a lot like a gothic Assassin's Creed so as to appeal to that audience, but then Deus Ex: Human Revolution was able to pull of leaning to action whilst having the option for complete stealth, so hopefully we'll see something like that here too.

All in all I'm still looking forward forward to this next installment.

Guy Jackson:
You're right Andy he looks pretty goth to me.

Also: a reboot that focuses more on action in order to appeal to "the modern audience of today's console market"? How unusual.

They are really thinking outside the box with this one. Absolutely stunning originality of thought there. They should also bring in cover elements. And a 'partner' for online co-op missions.

Because you need that in a stealth game to MAKE IT MORE MAINSTREAMZ.

Ugh.

Balls.

After what I've heard so far, I'm expecting Deus Ex: HR with dark fantasy stylings. Also known as What Sells.

No to nail varnish, hello guy liner... Must be guys in there late 30s taking guesses at youth culture. Oh dear.

When to we start the "No to Thief action moves" campaign?

Part of what was good about thief was that he didnt move like a super human, he was very human just very sneaky when done right.

Wow. Just... wow!
One of the few franchises I was looking forward to and now this.
I sure would like to bitch about the stupidity of the developer and stuff but everything that has to be said already has been said in this thread. I will boil down my disgust to a simple

HOW COULD YOU!?

I will still wait for this game but I will also wait till it is out and I have read the reviews. And if I like it... I will still wait TWO WEEKS till I buy it. Yeah, I channeled Jim Sterling here, but the man is fucking right.
No more prorders for me. No more trust. Seems like the industry wants it that way.
The industry also seems to have a thing for pandas.

(Crawls under his bed and crys himself to sleep.)

Garrett was goth? Wh-...? I don't remember that!

He pretty much looked like your average D&D rogue: medieval skin-suit, accessories & baubles everywhere, cape, mask... He also didn't have milky-white skin, soulful dead-poet eyes and a pained expression - he looked normal, and more than a bit ugly.

Christ, what are these people doing?

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market," Cantin said. "He's now in the game doing more action moves"

Fuck...everything

If this was a reboot, I might have tolerated a drastic, DMC style change for Garrett that transforms him into a different character entirely. But this looks like a half measure. They so want to be Assassin's Creed, but they want to appeal to new people, but they want to appeal to the core fans. The result is an over designed mess of generic fantasy thief laces, belts and straps. Much like how Assassin's Creed 3 wanted to combine a native American, Colonist, and 12th Century Assassin into one garb.

This design has ended up looking ridiculous.

If that's supposed to be less goth then I'm a raving Tory.

I notice that one of his eyes is indeed bionic. The one on the left.

This news has taken me from "cautiously optimistic" to merely "hoping this doesn't kill the franchise". The entire point of the game is being sneaky and running away if you get caught, how do they not understand this?

Huh? How is that LESS goth that before?!

He looks MORE goth! Oy...I'm getting VERY worried...

*crosses fingers* Come on, Eidos Montreal...You did a phenomenal job with Deus Ex. Do the same with Theif...Make me proud that awesome devs live in my home town...Don't screw this up...please...

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