Rumor: More Evidence Suggests Always-Online For Next Xbox

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When did EA start making cons.... FUCK THIS IS XBOX?!

Whoever thinks this DRM stuff is a good idea needs a visit from MiB.

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"When did you first want to work in the videogame industry? 7 years ago? Look right here please."

Then we start being disconnected from our consoles because of server issues.

If this is true then i'm really starting to lose faith in the gaming market.

If both PS4 and Xbox have this bullcrap then i'm afraid i'm gonna have to get a gaming rig instead of a console.

Every game must be installed off the disc...well unless they have an disc drive the super fast reading and data transfer speeds, and a hard drive of at least 1TB I don't think this system will work. 50GB per disc can take a very long time to read and write, and the claims that users won't have to wait for installs is BS as obviously I would have to install every game! It's gonna take a longer time to play a game upon purchase, and a drop in internet connection will most likely mess up the installation process too.

Technology seems like it's going backwards here if these rumors are true. If the PS4 is less restrictive then I'll definitely be swapping from Microsoft to Sony.

i have no insider knowledge of anything anywhere, but i can PROMISE you this: this is a bunch of fox news-esque bulshit fear mongering. there's just no fucking way they would even consider these ideas longer than a few milliseconds, so seriously, move along, nothing to see here.

This has to be fake.

Or badly worded or I'm just misunderstanding.
Having Kinect be a part of it I can understand, but requiring it? You need to have options.
I'm not going to get this console. My flat is tiny. Unless this new kinect can be used sitting down near it, with small gestures and not directly in front of it, I'm not going to be able to use it.

I've had relatively few issues with my xbox 360 since I got it and I've enjoyed it a fair bit, but the two problems I had... were storage space and the fact that the connection has a tendency to randomly disconnect despite my internet being more than good enough for it. Something which I sincerely doubt will be changing anytime. So it seems that it'll be Sony and Nintendo that's getting most of my money in the next generation.

The kinect part can go drop off a cliff as well. The only thing motion controls has done is hurt my wrists like hell. I don't have the space for that kinda crap either and given other factors all this one would do is make my family run up to my room constantly to check if I've keeled over. So yeah no thanks.

havoc33:
If this really is the case, then at least they are forced to support their old platform for a loooong time, otherwise it would not be legal for them to sell any consoles towards the end of its cycle.

Either way, all this is very concerning. I'm proud of my gaming collection, and I love to fire up an old system now and then for some proper retro gaming. Needless to say, I'm not keen on buying loads of games for a system that might not be playable in 10-12 years time.

Why wouldn't it be legal?
AFAIK EA's ToS state that they can shutdown any server with 30 day notice. MS can do the same.

Calling it now: It will require a permanent internet connection, but STILL HAVE NO BLOODY INTEGRATED WLAN.

You'll have to buy that as a peripheral for 80€/100$, of course.

Well this is fucking bull shit. As time goes on it's looking more and more unappealing getting one of these. If this is true I won't be getting one.

And having an always online connection so "software and games are always current"? What the hell? I don't think I've ever heard a more obvious line of corporate spin. Who the fuck cares about being "current"? I don't care about that shit, I just want to play what I want!

Having to wait for updates to install is a very minor price to pay to not have my gaming turned in to an oppressive totalitarian state. Fuck you Microsoft.

Steven Bogos:
Rumor: More Evidence Suggests Always-Online For Next Xbox

"will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this 'Always On, Always Connected' design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates."

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Um, okay, I think I'm reading this differently (or maybe just optimistically), but that to me sounds like it means it'll be online while switched off. Not necessarily forced to be online. That bit about 'no waiting' etc, having a forced connection wouldn't affect that.. But the xbox being able to download and update while not in use / powered down would.

Just me?

I'm almost more turned off by the always connected Kinect, but yeah, if this is true then this is a no go for me. Makes the PS4 look like a bastion of openness and consumer trust.

Kirov Reporting:

Steven Bogos:
Rumor: More Evidence Suggests Always-Online For Next Xbox

"will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this 'Always On, Always Connected' design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates."

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Um, okay, I think I'm reading this differently (or maybe just optimistically), but that to me sounds like it means it'll be online while switched off. Not necessarily forced to be online. That bit about 'no waiting' etc, having a forced connection wouldn't affect that.. But the xbox being able to download and update while not in use / powered down would.

Just me?

I agree with you! I said:

The wording of the sure-to-be-controversial "always-online" statement doesn't suggest that internet is mandatory for it to work, but may be talking about always having an internet connection so that it can download and update even when in the off or standby mode.

Steven Bogos:

Kirov Reporting:
[quote="Steven Bogos" post="7.403873.16707195"]Rumor: More Evidence Suggests Always-Online For Next Xbox

I agree with you! I said:

[quote]The wording of the sure-to-be-controversial "always-online" statement doesn't suggest that internet is mandatory for it to work, but may be talking about always having an internet connection so that it can download and update even when in the off or standby mode.

My God I feel stupid now! Apologies for not reading the whole thing properly before running my mouth, but for what it's worth it looks like our interpretation is soundly in the minority - it appears everyone around here is primed and ready for opportunities to say it'll be the worst thing ever. I'm not quite ready to make that judgement just yet.

And again I am glad to be a PC gamer. They're upgradable, the games are cheaper in the long run and the computer can do more. If the rumours are true the MS have lost quite a few customers.

Well son, ... this was the day when consol gaming died.

Costia:

havoc33:
If this really is the case, then at least they are forced to support their old platform for a loooong time, otherwise it would not be legal for them to sell any consoles towards the end of its cycle.

Either way, all this is very concerning. I'm proud of my gaming collection, and I love to fire up an old system now and then for some proper retro gaming. Needless to say, I'm not keen on buying loads of games for a system that might not be playable in 10-12 years time.

Why wouldn't it be legal?
AFAIK EA's ToS state that they can shutdown any server with 30 day notice. MS can do the same.

Obviously, Microsoft would have to issue a warning at least over a year before shutting down. Not even Microsoft can get away with having people buying expensive hardware with one year warranty only to render it useless within 30 days.

In any case, I'm waiting for official confirmation until I believe this. Always online in the way that you cannot play your games without being connected sounds too extreme. In the end it doesn't matter all that much to me, as I've already decided that I'm going for a Sony/Nintendo combination next gen. I hate Kinect, and it seems like their strategy going forward is not to create the ultimately gaming console, but this all in one entertainment system box, which doesn't sound attractive to me at all. We're already seing some developers issue their concerns about this already as well, and have jumped ship to Sony. Bottom line, Microsoft will have to come up with many more exclusives than Halo and Gears in order to convince me to buy their system again. Seriously, my 360 is collecting dust at this point, I only use it for some online FIFA. For the rest, all the good stuff I'm playing is on the PS3 or Wii.

Always on you say? [pulls the plug] said what?

people will buy it, and use it, like the good sheep that they are.

and there will be no market crash. the gaming industry is too decentralized for that. beside, all it cna do is bring back the days PC ruled the world.

luvd1:
Oh Microsoft. What hapened to you? You used to be cool man....

Microsoft was never cool.

Doclector:
Microsoft need to wake up and fucking say something. All these rumours flying around, people need confirmation. The silent treatment is not working and never will work, especially now sony have got the first word in, and although I personally wasn't blown away by the PS4, nothing offended me with that like the prospect of always on DRM making it to consoles.

Actually it is working. we are talking about it. free advertisement.

The_Echo:
Always online? Well, that's gonna suck major ass for people with bad Internet connections.

Or maybe people with bad itnernet connections will finally wake up and start demanding their ISP to stop charging them a fortune for some crap connection that became obsolete 20 years ago....

Domogo:
Lets think about this: 1.this console is going to last 8 damn years 2.Games take a shit ton of space and they keep going up 3. A lot of games come out in 8 years. I think you all can see where I am going with this.

your inability to delete games you dont play anymore? the part of my hard drive dedicated to games take around 120 GB currently. I have more video than games stacked on my 2x250GB HDDs. Its not like every game will take 50 GB. most games take 8-16 GB and if they put in the now standart for PC 1 TB drive thats 100 games. is 100 games at the same time not enough? and thats considering its all AAA games, indie ones take far less space.
The install necessity is fully understandable. the size these games are getting it is simply impossible for a blue ray player to read the drive fast enough.

As long as the installation is sequenced properly, there is no reason that you wouldn't be able to run a game after the first few gigs are installed. All they'd need is the game engine, and the sounds, textures, and 3D models that are used in the first level of the game.

Fuck the always online requirement, though. And that Kinect sensor is getting pointed toward the wall with epoxy put in the microphone holes.

As bad as this sounds, I know idiots will still buy it.

"Who cares if I'm being fucked in the ass by Microsoft?! I GET MY SHINY GAMES YAY!"

I thought that consoles didn't have the piracy problems as the PC, and it's why they didn't have DRM? Oh well, it seems I won't be missing much out from the consoles after all.

It's also gonna have a small HDD and require a proprietary connection port meaning you have to buy microsoft (AND ONLY MICROSOFT) replacements if you want expansion.

TO be hnest if it does that just means I'm not touching the damn thing, hopefully it crashes and burns and we get some PC games out of them again.

Pfft, seriously? Who would believe this? No matter what you think about Microsoft, no company is stupid enough to make an entire CONSOLE always online.
Rubbish.

I can't wait for confirmation on this one! If just one of those three are requirements than Microsoft has officially lost me as a customer. Well for the most part: I'll gladly continue to play my older games on the original Xbox.

If true, this will be Sony's chance to crush Microsoft in the console market. I mean if Durango does have anything remotely like the DRM that Diablo 3 and SimCity had, Microsoft would be putting the gun to their own head and saying,"hey Sony please come and help me pull the trigger".

Diablo 3 did quite well in spite of all of the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth. Hell, even Simcity - despite being actively customer-hostile - apparently had the best launch (in terms of sales, mind) of any Simcity game. Gamers seem to be okay with "always on".

I want to get excited for new hardware, but this time around I'm thinking more wait and see. I'll end up getting something, I know myself better than to claim I won't, but there's a lot going on here I need to digest before jumping in.

Sony, I forgive all of your dickery! New best friends! How 'bout that PS4 huh?

Kirov Reporting:

Steven Bogos:

I agree with you! I said:

The wording of the sure-to-be-controversial "always-online" statement doesn't suggest that internet is mandatory for it to work, but may be talking about always having an internet connection so that it can download and update even when in the off or standby mode.

My God I feel stupid now! Apologies for not reading the whole thing properly before running my mouth, but for what it's worth it looks like our interpretation is soundly in the minority - it appears everyone around here is primed and ready for opportunities to say it'll be the worst thing ever. I'm not quite ready to make that judgement just yet.

I am more pissed about the always online and the REQUIRED Kinect. So I have to have your webcam in my house and it will always be ready for use? They can not even keep this shit secure. So why should I feel safe that you have this camera in my house that I can not unplug.

I think this generation is driving me back to the PC. My CURRENT rig KILLS the PS4, so why would I buy a overpriced low end PC?

Then I assume it will have a mobile phone business model, given away for free, with an obligatory 2 year Xbox Live subscription.

Sol_HSA:
Forget DRM.

That's a 3d camera in your living room that's connected to internet all the time regardless of whether you're using xbox or not.

Yes, first thing I thought while reading was "Oh cool, I've always wanted HAL9000 in my living room.." Seriously though, I like my 360, but I have NO interest in the Kinect, I have NO interest in always-online, the only multiplayer I play is on my PC, as well as most of my games. I'm already mainly a PC gamer, and if this stuff is true, means I won't be getting any of the next gen consoles. I didn't like what I saw of the PS4, and I like this even less. I MIGHT get a Wii U, for the uniqueness of the stuff it has (and Wind Waker). So, if this is true, then I must conclude that Microsoft is actively trying to alienate its customers so it can get out of the games business. And for my part at least, they will succeed.

I dont know if i will buy one now. I guess if it comes with inbuilt wifi then great. But if i have issues with the internet and that means i cant play my game. Then i wont be buying one. Will it be DRM all over again? Will i beable to play my single player games offline?

All i want is to play games offline, i have no interest in kinect, in the social media side they want with the console, no interest in being online at all. I guess we have to wait for more info.

Well, I tend to be with the group that has stopped paying and using Xbox live for the last year now and have moved on to the Japanese gaming giants once again. Microsoft just doesn't know how to handle a paid service and to be frank, it doesn't matter how good the games are if I keep feeling like the machine is running a full screen mode worse than Curse Client.

if i needed more reasons to stick to pc gaming, this looks like it. i never had an xbox before, and this doesn't look like it'll be the first one i get. they are certainly not winning me over

This always-online thing sounds more like "stay connected when it's powered down" rather than "stay connected to keep playing the game". That may just turn out to be how they're pitching it.

To me, it seems like the DRM is gonna come from installing the game to the hard drive. Really? It can't play straight from the disc? Then what the hell's the point of having them?! How many games do you think people own? Cuz I guarantee you it's more than 10!

If this is how they're executing their DRM, then it's a terrible idea. What are we supposed to do with the discs after we've installed them? Just throw them away? That'd be a serious waste of resources, man-hours, and money, both on your end and ours!

Buying PS4? - maybe
Buying new Xbox? - no
Looks like I may be living in the past for a while. Unless they realize how stupid they're being and make these more consumer-friendly.

EDIT: Well, I do have a WiiU, which hasn't pissed me off much yet. Main gripe right now is a lack of decent titles.
But you know those retro consoles? I want one that will play Gamecube, PS1, PS2, and original Xbox games, since it looks like I'll be keeping my PS3 for a while (no backwards compatibility in PS4) and need to make room.

Like some others have mentioned, if it was true, you cannon underestimate the stupidity of people who will still buy it.

I think the problems would only come out longer term when Microsoft starts having server issues and the bro gamers can't figure out why their copy of halo won't run.

I mean, people already pay for xbox live now which to me, is already one of the most laughably stupid things I've ever seen. If they can convince people that 'paying' for the right to play online multiplayer is a good idea, then I'm sure they'll manage to shove whatever DRM measures this thing has down people's throats just fine.

Hmmm, could be an amazing money spinner for Microsoft if people still buy the console and still need to buy Xbox live. Cant be online without Xbox live, this guaranteeing money every month for them on top of their console sales. Of course who would buy that?

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