Update: Firefall CEO Clarifies "Consoles Are Dead" Statement

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Update: Firefall CEO Clarifies "Consoles Are Dead" Statement

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Mark Kern said he's going all-in with the PC for Firefall.

Update: Mark Kern clarified his thoughts a bit in an interview with me at PAX East. He admitted that he his tongue was firmly in cheek when he said it, and it's a very general statment. "When I say consoles are dead," Kern said, "it's a broad statement but it's really about how the current iteration of consoles is kind of brain dead. The old publishing model, the old 'Let's compete by putting more graphics in there' isn't working anymore."

He also sees great potential in smaller, niche consoles for independent developers. "I'm not saying that TVs and controllers are dead, in fact, I'm really excited by Ouya, for example," Kern said. "It's like 'Hey, no one cares about the hardware anymore, just get the great games on it and make it open, make it accessible to indie devs and everybody else.' That's, to me, where the future of consoles should be so I guess there's a qualification to that broad statement." So consoles aren't dead, they are just being reborn in much smaller packages, according to Kern.

Original: The hot-button topic for the game industry, even here at PAX East, is the impending next generation cycle of consoles. The PlayStation 4 is coming this holiday, oh yes it is, and Microsoft's as yet announced console is on its way too. With Blizzard's Diablo III coming to the PS4, and another PC gaming stalwart like EVE Online creator CCP releasing Dust 514 for the console, everyone's wondering if more MMOs should follow suit. With Firefall's strong concentration on shooter mechanics, it actually makes more sense than most to jump to the TV and controller setup. Mark Kern, CEO and Creative Director of Red 5 Studios, doesn't think so.

"Consoles are dead," he said when asked if Firefall would ever be playable on the PlayStation 4. The crowd assembled for Red 5's presentation laughed raucously. I'm not exactly sure Kern was joking. Well, within every joke there's always a nugget of truth.

For a more technical answer, Kern said the team is concentrating on a DirectX version of the code, which depends on the Windows platform, but they are voraciously working on an Open GL version of the client which will open up Firefall to a whole bevy of platforms.

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Oh you, and your titles.

It is nice to see some developers still focusing on PC releases. While I have nothing against consoles (I have both an Xbox and PS3), I can easily see the frustration in how often PC's can be forgotten by some developers. Or if they aren't, they get a poorly designed port clearly designed for the console (Deadlight I am looking at you).

Time will tell if Firefall will be Red's "Dead" Redemption :P

Well, the big touted features of the PS4 is the Share Button, and Rumors say that the Next XBox needs to always be online.

I have been playing videogames on the one or other Consoleplatform since for ever but the next one so far doesn't really ring my bells, i.e. i really feel a strange lack of emotions of any kind towards them.

Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

hazabaza1 says "Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot."
Make a news story outta that.

This guy has enough money to afford a gaming computer while not everyone has. A console will have AAA games that support it for the life of the console, which may be a decade. Can you say the same for a PC?

I game on a PC because steam, I can carry my laptop everywhere and it can do more then play games. Granted I may not be correct and correct me if I'm wrong but both the PC and console have their place.

major_chaos says "those who make mediocre games should not cast stones". More news at nine.

To be fair I'd be pretty bloody freaked out if my console was alive...

It's the "PC GAMING IS DEAD GUZ" trend in reverse, and every bit as true.

Post a link to where more of the interview can be found? Nope. Site literally only 3 words and base an article around it? Done!

Hey Batman, what console are your parents getting you for Christma---
*SLAP*
CONSOLES ARE DEAAAAAAAAAAAAD!

Yeah a throwaway line does not news story make...Firefall Developer targets Mac and Linux markets however may be worthy of a story though...

At one point, I had thought we were close to a sort of hardware convergence where it really wouldn't matter what device you were using, as long as it met some minimum specs and you had broadband. But now it's pretty clear that there's a continued interest among both manufacturers and a lot of consumers for the console experience. If people are buying brand new games for their ancient current gen consoles, then they're definitely not dissuaded by the fact they're playing games on old hardware.

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Considering they are inanimate objects, that's a reasonable claim.

hazabaza1:
hazabaza1 says "Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot."
Make a news story outta that.

Escapist user starts one-sided feud with Firefall CEO

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After hearing a statement from the CEO of the company behind the MMO Firefall, one Escapist user in particular has taken umbrage with Mark Kern's view that "Consoles are dead".

hazabaza1, a relatively well recognised Escapist forum user (at least by this writer's standards) has decided to potentially start a war of words with Mr Kern, by launching a foul-mouthed volley in his direction.

"Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot" the man with the QI avatar (seen rather fuzzily to the right) said. This is the first time in particular that hazabaza has levelled such an outburst specifically at Mr Kern, but with the Firefall CEO's continued existence, and therefore possibility of making a statement, this may not be the last we hear about these two.

Whilst we here on The Escapist forums have no idea as to whether Mr. Kern will respond to these curse-ridden comments, we will, as always keep you up with any developments in this engrossing story.

hazabaza1 is exclusive to PC. As is Firefall apparently.

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Monsterfurby:

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Considering they are inanimate objects, that's a reasonable claim.

Can one be dead if one was never alive? No you need to fist state in order to reach the second?
Is what I am saying important at all?

Andy Shandy:

hazabaza1:
hazabaza1 says "Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot."
Make a news story outta that.

Escapist user starts one-sided feud with Firefall CEO

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After hearing a statement from the CEO of the company behind the MMO Firefall, one Escapist user in particular has taken umbrage with Mark Kern's view that "Consoles are dead".

hazabaza1, a relatively well recognised Escapist forum user (at least by this writer's standards) has decided to potentially start a war of words with Mr Kern, by launching a foul-mouthed volley in his direction.

"Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot" the man with the QI avatar (seen rather fuzzily to the right) said. This is the first time in particular that hazabaza has levelled such an outburst specifically at Mr Kern, but with the Firefall CEO's continued existence, and therefore possibility of making a statement, this may not be the last we hear about these two.

Whilst we here on The Escapist forums have no idea as to whether Mr. Kern will respond to these curse-ridden comments, we will, as always keep you up with any developments in this engrossing story.

hazabaza1 is exclusive to PC. As is Firefall apparently.

Thank you, Thank you for taking the time to do that. This has made my day.

TorchofThanatos:

Can one be dead if one was never alive? No you need to fist state in order to reach the second?
Is what I am saying important at all?

Here's what would happen if I were Microsoft's marketing head:

MICROSOFT - XBOX 720 REVEAL PRESENTATION

*presenter walks on stage*

PRESENTER
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange eons even death may die.

*walks off. lights go out. end of presentation*

Andy Shandy:

hazabaza1:
hazabaza1 says "Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot."
Make a news story outta that.

Escapist user starts one-sided feud with Firefall CEO

image

After hearing a statement from the CEO of the company behind the MMO Firefall, one Escapist user in particular has taken umbrage with Mark Kern's view that "Consoles are dead".

hazabaza1, a relatively well recognised Escapist forum user (at least by this writer's standards) has decided to potentially start a war of words with Mr Kern, by launching a foul-mouthed volley in his direction.

"Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot" the man with the QI avatar (seen rather fuzzily to the right) said. This is the first time in particular that hazabaza has levelled such an outburst specifically at Mr Kern, but with the Firefall CEO's continued existence, and therefore possibility of making a statement, this may not be the last we hear about these two.

Whilst we here on The Escapist forums have no idea as to whether Mr. Kern will respond to these curse-ridden comments, we will, as always keep you up with any developments in this engrossing story.

hazabaza1 is exclusive to PC. As is Firefall apparently.

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You're amazing.
I love you. You're like the anti-Firefall CEO for me.

TorchofThanatos:

Thank you, Thank you for taking the time to do that. This has made my day.

No problem =D

hazabaza1:

You're amazing.
I love you. You're like the anti-Firefall CEO for me.

Why thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully a few others that read the comments get a good chuckle out of it too =D

Hey Mr Kern I think Firefall is dead. Oh sick burn.

Seriously can we at least wait for the next set of consoles before passing judgment.

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Exactly. The game industry is dead. No one is buying games at all period. Why are people even bothering to make them anymore?

I've given Firefall a good amount of playtime and screw playing that on a controller, ever. Its control scheme is fairly similar to that of TF2 which just doesn't lend itself to the controller all that well. The game isn't designed to be console friendly like Halo or CoD. Sure, you can do it but you'd find they'd either need to segregate the console community for balance or have to listen to people whining how the M&K players have too much of an advantage on their forums all day every day.

Oh please I have been saying the next gen will be a hellish nightmare for gamers since 2010.

Always online consoles? Used game sales banned? Prices going up for production? That's a perfect storm right there.

And more than a couple publishers and developers think so.

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Clanking rocks together primed to make huge comeback, invest in Builders League United today!

Evil Smurf:
A console will have AAA games that support it for the life of the console, which may be a decade. Can you say the same for a PC?

Uhh, yeah?
Never had a problem with my old rig running out of AAA games to play, and that thing lasted 8 years before I decided to upgrade it to max out BF3 at 2560*1440, and the new rig isn't running out of AAA games either. What it is running out of is an interest in AAA games, but that's another issue entirely.
I'll give that both have their place, but that entirely depends on the situation of the person, and not of any intrinsic value of either that makes it better than the other in some way IN ALL CASES. Consoles are not always cheaper than gaming PCs, however PCs aren't a practical option for some people. For the next generation at least both will be fine. Too far off to tell how things will be a decade in the future at the end of this generation though.

He's right. And I have proof that he is right. The last console I owned was a Sega Master System II.

Anyway, it's kinda funny, as a PC gamer, to see all this silly talk of "CONSOLES ARE DEAD!!1" after hearing so much of the same thing regarding the PC year after year.

Andy Shandy:

hazabaza1:
hazabaza1 says "Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot."
Make a news story outta that.

Escapist user starts one-sided feud with Firefall CEO

image

After hearing a statement from the CEO of the company behind the MMO Firefall, one Escapist user in particular has taken umbrage with Mark Kern's view that "Consoles are dead".

hazabaza1, a relatively well recognised Escapist forum user (at least by this writer's standards) has decided to potentially start a war of words with Mr Kern, by launching a foul-mouthed volley in his direction.

"Firefall CEO is a fucking idiot" the man with the QI avatar (seen rather fuzzily to the right) said. This is the first time in particular that hazabaza has levelled such an outburst specifically at Mr Kern, but with the Firefall CEO's continued existence, and therefore possibility of making a statement, this may not be the last we hear about these two.

Whilst we here on The Escapist forums have no idea as to whether Mr. Kern will respond to these curse-ridden comments, we will, as always keep you up with any developments in this engrossing story.

hazabaza1 is exclusive to PC. As is Firefall apparently.

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I...I think I'm in love. The avatar helps.

OT:

Consoles are dying
PC Gaming is dying
Gaming Market is crashing
Just gotta wait for the mobile market to die I suppose. But thankfully I got put off of MMO's a while a go, so I can just laugh and go 'Oh Poppycock'

...Though Mabinogi isn't exactly a good comparison to others, the entire online experience of it all just did it in for me.]

Joccaren:

Evil Smurf:
A console will have AAA games that support it for the life of the console, which may be a decade. Can you say the same for a PC?

Uhh, yeah?
Never had a problem with my old rig running out of AAA games to play, and that thing lasted 8 years before I decided to upgrade it to max out BF3 at 2560*1440, and the new rig isn't running out of AAA games either. What it is running out of is an interest in AAA games, but that's another issue entirely.
I'll give that both have their place, but that entirely depends on the situation of the person, and not of any intrinsic value of either that makes it better than the other in some way IN ALL CASES. Consoles are not always cheaper than gaming PCs, however PCs aren't a practical option for some people. For the next generation at least both will be fine. Too far off to tell how things will be a decade in the future at the end of this generation though.

I don't mind being wrong. Thanks for your experience.

The way it sounds, next gen will have us doing mandatory installs and putting in activation codes for every game, maybe even making us be online to play a game. I am not seeing any advantages to buy a console anymore.

Good for him. You should try running a story every time an industry figure says something, no matter how baseless it may be. You'd probably never run out of material!

He has said this before. I enjoy Firefall and respect what everyone at Red 5 is doing. It a shame that he keeps up with this statement as it is obviously not the case. Console are alive and kicking, unless Sony and Microsoft really screw the pooch next generation they will be in the mainstream for a very long time.

Honestly, this makes him come off as kind of a tool, which I know he is not. :(

Yeah, like your game !

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Wintermute:
He's right. And I have proof that he is right. The last console I owned was a Sega Master System II.

Anyway, it's kinda funny, as a PC gamer, to see all this silly talk of "CONSOLES ARE DEAD!!1" after hearing so much of the same thing regarding the PC year after year.

Yeah, it's quite funny seeing the people claiming PC gaming was dead accusing others of making baseless claims.

Overall it comes down to preference and games. I LOVE playing games like Red Dead Redemption or Need For Speed on console. Yet they feel SO out of place on the PC. But on the other-hand I could NEVER imagine not having the ability to easily play games like Total War: Shogun 2 or Crusader Kings 2 on my PC.

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