Update: Firefall CEO Clarifies "Consoles Are Dead" Statement

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Ultratwinkie:

FalloutJack:

Firefall CEO Says "Consoles Are Dead"

That's funny. Consoles say that Firefall is dead.

Can I get a "BUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRNNN!!!" from the audience, please?

Except that his message was blasting how franchise monopolies and fear are killing the industry, and the Escapist cut that down to just "consoles are dead" just for a flame war. A quick internet search shows this to be the case. You fell for it, big time.

Then again, what do facts matter when you are beating up a strawman placed there to just stroke egos?

The only one who got burned here was you.

The words of someone too desperate to prove something that is not true. I was making a Nietzeche/God joke and it flew over your head. Very classy. You can get down off the soap box now. Nobody 'fell for' anything...besides you.

EDIT: Oh, and you're abusive too. I'm sure nobody will take notice of that.

Zachary Amaranth:

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Long live the zombified gaming industry! Hail! Hail!

OT: PC gaming is less than 10% of the market. If you want to double down on that, that's fine. But seriously, some people need perspective.

Actually the PC is about as big as the 360 or the PS3. "core-gaming" wise that is. For example EA that also sells massive sellers and cash grabs like madden, NFL, FIFA etc. for consoles makes more from the PC than the xbox...

Consoles are dead if the PS4 is indicative of this next cycle. I want the hardware to get better and more advanced with each generation; it's really that simple. What I don't want it all the bullshit that came with this gen to be amplified 10 fold with the next, and that appears to be exactly what is coming. I have no plans to get a PS4, and if even half the rumors of the next Xbox are true, I won't be getting one of those either. Everything now has to be a social hub, a tablet, a windows 8 or something else equally as horrifying, distracting or otherwise ridiculous and painful to the gaming experience. I just don't want any part of this, so I just may be out the door this time. That's a big thing for me to say since I've bought every console up till now. If people like me are leaving it paints a grim picture of whats to come. How many more developers will disappear like THQ in the next few years? How many do you think it will take before the general gaming public becomes more alarmed? They aren't really going to take notice until it's an outright catastrophe, and by then it will be too late. What happens when an entity like EA finally kicks it? That tumor has it's tentacles attached to so many developers and IPs, it might just kill the patient to remove it.

But yeah, something is definitely wrong when I find myself buying 3x more SNES and PS1 games over ebay then current/new AAA titles. And no, these games aren't cheaper, they are actually more expensive in many cases. I am happy to pay it, to, because unlike Gears of Duty Black brotherhood Ascension Ops 4, the older games are usually worth it, and don't come with any catches to play them or politics attached.

Enjoy your Sim Shitty.

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

This.

We are shifting away from a dedicated area in our homes just for the computer.
We are also shifting away from the living room console age as gaming becomes more mobile.

The future of gaming prices has already seeped into PC's giving it more life. Consoles will hopefully be revitalized in this manor soon as well. But ultimately I don't see either being used heavily in the next 10 years.

"Dead" is a shock word of course. I'd sooner use the term evolving.

Evil Smurf:
This guy has enough money to afford a gaming computer while not everyone has. A console will have AAA games that support it for the life of the console, which may be a decade. Can you say the same for a PC?

I game on a PC because steam, I can carry my laptop everywhere and it can do more then play games. Granted I may not be correct and correct me if I'm wrong but both the PC and console have their place.

I definitely agree about both having their place, but next-gen consoles don't seem to want to be in that place. The biggest console advantage is simplicity - Insert the disc and play. I don't know about the PS3, but it doesn't seem that the next X-box will have that simplicity.

As for being unaffordable - that's not true. You will eventually want to but a better desktop or laptop PC, regardless of your gaming habits. If you add what you'd pay for a console to what you'd be willing to spend on a non-gaming PC, you will be able to get a decent gaming PC instead of a console.

Consoles are dead... or so they seem, but they are down in the deep, plotting, planning... Waiting to strike

Like this scary fucker right here:

image

GAEM JURNALIZM!!!

But seriously, just like the people who claimed PC gaming was dieing. This also seems about as baseless a claim. And really shouldn't be news worthy. At least not without any kind of evidence to back up their claims.

I believe Mark Twain would like to have a word with this guy...

I just have one question:

What the fuck is Firefall?

Frostbite3789:

Isn't that only 10% of the retail market?

I based the number off Gabe "Jesus" Newell's own estimates of the size of the market, of which he claims to be like 200% of te PC gaming market. If the figures on the size of the overall market are retail only, then the PC would be even smaller since Gabe's already talking digital distribution.

Honestly, if you take the value of the markets, PC gaming is about 5.6% of the market share, which I round up to 6, which I still rounded up to "less than 10%."

Oltsu:

Actually the PC is about as big as the 360 or the PS3. "core-gaming" wise that is. For example EA that also sells massive sellers and cash grabs like madden, NFL, FIFA etc. for consoles makes more from the PC than the xbox...

Based on....

Zachary Amaranth:

Honestly, if you take the value of the markets, PC gaming is about 5.6% of the market share, which I round up to 6, which I still rounded up to "less than 10%."

Speaking as a member of the glorious PC master race™ this could arguably be a good thing! After all, we cannot let just anyone into the aristocracy. Nope nope nope. Now excuse me while I adjust my monocle and help myself to some of whatever stuffy snobs eat.

Right, that's it for silliness, I think. While I personally do not hold much fondness for consoles (mostly because I simply can't focus on the game with a controller, those things make me too acutely aware of what my hands are doing), I'm pretty sure they're not going away anytime soon; specially not with Xbox still being very much alive, Microsoft doesn't really have a vested interest interest in pushing Windows forward as a gaming platform; the PC can still try and take a bite or two into the console market shares.

FalloutJack:

Ultratwinkie:

FalloutJack:

That's funny. Consoles say that Firefall is dead.

Can I get a "BUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRNNN!!!" from the audience, please?

Except that his message was blasting how franchise monopolies and fear are killing the industry, and the Escapist cut that down to just "consoles are dead" just for a flame war. A quick internet search shows this to be the case. You fell for it, big time.

Then again, what do facts matter when you are beating up a strawman placed there to just stroke egos?

The only one who got burned here was you.

The words of someone too desperate to prove something that is not true. I was making a Nietzeche/God joke and it flew over your head. Very classy. You can get down off the soap box now. Nobody 'fell for' anything...besides you.

EDIT: Oh, and you're abusive too. I'm sure nobody will take notice of that.

Oh really?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-02-firefall-developer-consoles-i-believe-are-dead

His original statement:

The model is transitioning away from these big boxed games where you're pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into a title, to these sorts of games that don't count on the distributor.

They don't need the distributor to succeed, so a lot more money goes into the game rather than to marketing and you get to grow organically with your players. And as there's no barrier to entry for players you can start to compete on fun instead of marketing, which is really the area that we as developers should be in.

We should be competing on the strength of our ideas and the fun of our gameplay, not the IP, or the license behind the title, or the size of the marketing push.

Look at the symptoms. Look at the fact that there's no middle ground anymore.

You're either an indie game or you're a massive AAA, IP-backed sequel with derivative gameplay that's rehashed over and over again as it's the only safe bet you can make when you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars.

The failure is that there's no middle ground. All the games in the middle that could have been made but have been squeezed out and we've seen all these independent studios get closed down over the last few years.

The other troubling symptom is this wave of lay-offs we have after every product launches.

People say 'Oh, that's normal, Hollywood does it all the time.' Well, it's not normal. It's a symptom of your business being broken.

In Hollywood they work on contract - it's very different. They expect only to work from A to B. In games, these big publishers are hiring swathes of people expecting to have jobs long-term but then lay them off at the end of a project because it doesn't quite deliver. This is unsustainable.

It takes billions of dollars of investment to create a console and then you have to milk it for five to seven years in order to get your money back.

I think the model is broken. You keep making these bigger and bigger bets and what that forces you to do is play it safer and safer. And if you play it safer and safer with your gameplay, people will get tired of the crap you're serving. When that happens, they get bored and they will leave. And you haven't fostered any of the middle ground innovation and new ideas that you need to tap into next.

So something has to change. Consoles, I believe, are dead.

How is this not true? Where is the sea of middle games the PS2 era had? When was the last time you saw games on retail shelves that WEREN'T affiliated with a big business or indie?

Console gaming is dominated by high costs, there is no way around it.

How is it not true that hiring and firing are part of AAA game development?

How is any of his claims "false?" How is this not true when its common knowledge to the point even Jim Sterling and Extra Credits spout it? From a business perspective, its easier to go PC, or casual and mobile than to try to carve out a niche in a locked down console market.

Ultratwinkie:
Completely missing the point.

I SAID

I WAS MAKING A JOKE AND YOU MISSED IT.

I am now going to make CERTAIN that I get a mod's attention for your harassment.

FalloutJack:

Ultratwinkie:
Completely missing the point.

I SAID

I WAS MAKING A JOKE AND YOU MISSED IT.

I am now going to make CERTAIN that I get a mod's attention for your harassment.

"The words of someone too desperate to prove something that is not true."

You said I was desperate to make his claims true when they were fake, that's what got my attention. Not that I missed your joke.

Which confused me because the statement he made was rather cookie cutter.

Ultratwinkie:
?

Oh, well in that case you're still too desperate. You started this because I made a joke.

Ultratwinkie:

How is this not true? Where is the sea of middle games the PS2 era had? When was the last time you saw games on retail shelves that WEREN'T affiliated with a big business or indie?

Console gaming is dominated by high costs, there is no way around it.

How is it not true that hiring and firing are part of AAA game development?

How is any of his claims "false?" How is this not true when its common knowledge to the point even Jim Sterling and Extra Credits spout it? From a business perspective, its easier to go PC, or casual and mobile than to try to carve out a niche in a locked down console market.

Thank you for lifting this.

This rings true in my book.

Welp, consoles are dead and PC is being pirated to death, guess gaming is over. It's all about the ponies now.

I should probably try Firefall some time, or maybe not. But eh, as long as I draw breath I will find a way to game, on something, somewhere.

I don't think consoles will ever truly die when a decent gaming rig for pc is so expensive. When an average person looks into gaming, the barrier to entry is lower on consoles, where they just have to pay around $300 bucks for years of gaming. There is no need to buy graphics cards and upgrade a console. Every game you buy for it will work on it, no need to check specifications. Consoles are simpler and more accessible to the average gamer.

Zachary Amaranth:

Based on....

Based on EA's financial results:

http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696991 (and apparently it was PC making more than PS3)

PC isn't a small market, it might be a bit different than the console market but if definitely isn't small. Especially since small devs and niche products do much better on PCs (see indie gaming scene).

With Firefall's strong concentration on shooter mechanics, it actually makes more sense than most to jump to the TV and controller setup.

I call shenanigans!

Shooters we born on the PC, and a keyboard and mouse are far more precise than any controller setup. Two thumbs vs. the dexterity of two hands? Yeah... Ok...

One of the major problems with consoles is that they tend to, "Box in," their releases. The platform can't be upgraded, and it limits the technological capabilities of games, and it limits the technology that can be employed to develop them due to the limited hardware specs.

While I can't say that consoles are dead, I stopped wasting my money on them a decade ago. I see the next generation of consoles as being a huge step in the wrong direction.

What d'you mean, it makes more sense to jump to the TV and controler setup? Shooters have always been best controlled by a mouse.

So if PC gaming AND consoles are dead, why do I have games?

Off topic: Yes consoles are probably dead.

Listen, consoles are going to get just more and more expensive (just like everything else), with all the cost being up front. Meanwhile, computers can be built up to "awesome" over time... 100 bucks here, 200 there. You can take your time.

PC's have always outpaced consoles in the graphics support due to: PCs can be upgraded, consoles cannot. So thpppt.

The console has always had speed and convenience on its side. Until now. Now you need to install shit, and be connected to the internet for all the content. And you have to fiddle with settings. Consoles are becoming just as much of a hassle, if not more of a hassle, than playing games on a PC.

Also, my PC supports all the latest and greatest software for maximum net surfing and it's never a hassle to get third-party "apps" like NCH sound editor or even movie maker.

"BUT!" I hear you cry, "PC settings are fiddly and things could get unstable." Well get your head out of the Linux cloud because I haven't had to change a single setting in two years and it's only ever froze because my room got too hot. Meanwhile, my xbox starts to fall apart if a game gets too busy and I swear it freezes once a day. "Also, viruses!" You know who thought they were virus proof too: Apple. Moot point anyway, because fending off the virus is relatively easy if you aren't doing illegal things. Just learn to recognize what to avoid. That won't be so easy on the console, with all of their processes built in and hidden from you. Like the processes that happen when it automatically loads up what your friends have been sharing. Someday, some hacker is going to virus up your precious share button and then the fun will start.

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Okay, I'm being a bit facetious, but I can be because consoles are acting more and more like PCs with every generation. The last console generation that FELT like it had consoles and not just stripped down PCs was the sixth; with the PS2 and the Gamecube.

So yeah, consoles are dead, because they aren't consoles anymore.

...

On topic: Yeah, not much interested in any MMOFPS. As for MMOs in general being on consoles? Pfff bwahaha. I've seen your games fall apart with 16 people playing. Okay okay, maybe it'll work, but the Memorpugas are going to have to be simplified because you only have ten buttons you could possibly use. I don't want my RPGs to be simplified, I want them to be even MOAR complicated. I want a game where I need a database for all of my skills...
...
Wait, did I just think of a way sixty skills can be used by ten buttons? Three big sections to cycle through: Attack; Alter; Utility. Five minor elements to cycle through: Fire; Water; Air; Earth; Nature. Hold on, I gotta go write this down...

Nevermind, MMOs could totally work on consoles, but you'd have to specifically design them for the consoles.

Evil Smurf:
This guy has enough money to afford a gaming computer while not everyone has. A console will have AAA games that support it for the life of the console, which may be a decade. Can you say the same for a PC?

FIrst of all, gaming PC is CHEAPER in the long run, because games are much cheaper. Secondly, yes, i can say the same for PC. unless the next xbox is somehow magically superpowerful singularity machine, consoles will never beat PC when it comes to big money titles. When your console is almost obsolete on its launch, or completely obsolete yet still sold (wiiu?) PC doors were just opened.

Aikayai:
So if PC gaming AND consoles are dead, why do I have games?

handhelds?
ok, sorry <leave room>

geldonyetich:
Welp, consoles are dead and PC is being pirated to death, guess gaming is over. It's all about the ponies now.

hopefully you are aware that consoles are being pirated just as much right?

Zachary Amaranth:

Entitled:
Consoles are dead, and so is the PC!

Long live the zombified gaming industry! Hail! Hail!

OT: PC gaming is less than 10% of the market. If you want to double down on that, that's fine. But seriously, some people need perspective.

Would you be so kind to provide a source to that number?

major_chaos:
major_chaos says "those who make mediocre games should not cast stones". More news at nine.

Upbeat Zombie:
GAEM JURNALIZM!!!

But seriously, just like the people who claimed PC gaming was dieing. This also seems about as baseless a claim. And really shouldn't be news worthy. At least not without any kind of evidence to back up their claims.

I agree with you both.

Who is Mark Kern and what the fuck is Firefall?
A company with only one product that yet to be released, and its a PC MMO. isn't it a 4 out of 5 odds a MMO will fail in it's first year?

He also make a statement about consoles on this article
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118825-Firefall-Dev-Cautiously-Optimistic-About-Ouya

Okay I support the Ouya but Mark Kern seems to be bias against consoles because the console companies would not take a shot on his game? I guess Mark Kern hasn't seen some of the PSN library, Flower, Journey, Skull Girls and The Unfinished Swan are all indie titles. SO I am taking it that Kern got shot down by Sony and Microsoft.

Then I found this
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108506-World-of-Warcraft-Experience-Hurt-Firefall-Development

and this
http://www.firefallthegame.com/

No wonder Firefall looks like World of Warcraft. Yes if you google Firefall you think they are making a scifi team fortress mod for World of Warcraft.

So Firefall is a cheap Team fortress style World-of-Warcraft looking MMO from a guy who left the employment of Blizzard.
And he claims that Consoles are Dead.

Yeah the two guys I quoted above are right.

IronMit:
What is dead may never die....

We are Iron-born!!

So your saying we need to dip our consoles into water...

E-Hybrid:

IronMit:
What is dead may never die....

We are Iron-born!!

So your saying we need to dip our consoles into water...

It's so crazy it just might work.

"Reborn in smaller packages"? So I take it this Firefall CEO hasn't heard of PS4 hardware specs (because they've been out for a while)? Because they're right up there with a midrange gaming PC.
Or perhaps he's implying that PS4 will be "dead" because all that shiny hardware will be pointless since graphics aren't a priority anymore?

Yeah, call me back next week when I see the article "Firefall CEO RE-CLARIFIES "consoles are dead" statement".
At this point I think he should stop making himself look sillier and just concentrate on Firefall :P

That must be some excellent foot he's having right now. Yum yum!

Yuuki:
"Reborn in smaller packages"? So I take it this Firefall CEO hasn't heard of PS4 hardware specs (because they've been out for a while)? Because they're right up there with a midrange gaming PC.
Or perhaps he's implying that PS4 will be "dead" because all that shiny hardware will be pointless since graphics aren't a priority anymore?

Yeah, call me back next week when I see the article "Firefall CEO RE-CLARIFIES "consoles are dead" statement".
At this point I think he should stop making himself look sillier and just concentrate on Firefall :P

Actually the Escapist is just twisting things around again.

This is what he really said, not that game "journalists" care because game journalists are even worse than Fox News.

darksakul:

major_chaos:
major_chaos says "those who make mediocre games should not cast stones". More news at nine.

Upbeat Zombie:
GAEM JURNALIZM!!!

But seriously, just like the people who claimed PC gaming was dieing. This also seems about as baseless a claim. And really shouldn't be news worthy. At least not without any kind of evidence to back up their claims.

I agree with you both.

Who is Mark Kern and what the fuck is Firefall?
A company with only one product that yet to be released, and its a PC MMO. isn't it a 4 out of 5 odds a MMO will fail in it's first year?

He also make a statement about consoles on this article
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118825-Firefall-Dev-Cautiously-Optimistic-About-Ouya

Okay I support the Ouya but Mark Kern seems to be bias against consoles because the console companies would not take a shot on his game? I guess Mark Kern hasn't seen some of the PSN library, Flower, Journey, Skull Girls and The Unfinished Swan are all indie titles. SO I am taking it that Kern got shot down by Sony and Microsoft.

Then I found this
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108506-World-of-Warcraft-Experience-Hurt-Firefall-Development

and this
http://www.firefallthegame.com/

No wonder Firefall looks like World of Warcraft. Yes if you google Firefall you think they are making a scifi team fortress mod for World of Warcraft.

So Firefall is a cheap Team fortress style World-of-Warcraft looking MMO from a guy who left the employment of Blizzard.
And he claims that Consoles are Dead.

Yeah the two guys I quoted above are right.

he has a bias because he views the console market as fearful, and fearful paranoia is toxic to an industry's products. Its how we get rehashed, clone games like Resident Evil 6, COD clones, and a lack of taking chances on new ideas.

And frankly, he is right. Console developers are scared. Publishers are scared. because they can't afford to have a single game flop anymore. Games are too expensive to make.

Its easy to see why he supports indie when the big corporate stuff is all a copy of Call of Duty, because all they see is dollar signs.

Kinda funny how dead wrong his prediction was back then. Consoles are very much alive and previously exclusive PC games are flooding into the console market this generation.

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