Brenda Romero Resigns IGDA Post Over GDC Party - UPDATED

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well on the first page someone linked to the night club's site...and there appeared to be dancers in costume.

could it be the organization simply reserved the night club and the night club used their own in house dancers as part of the entertainment the same as they would a DJ?

Gaming seems to be turning into a grey blob of political correctness.

I'm really starting to think that gaming isn't being taken seriously because of reactions like this. In any other industry, ANY other, everyone would just have enjoyed themselves and went on with their lives. If you do not enjoy the dancers, don't look at them. Dancing in silly outfits wearing too little is what bought showroom floor girls/guys like this do. This event isn't even about a place that was supposed to be professional, it's about a party for gods sake!

Yes it's advertising and entertaining based on sex appeal but there's nothing wrong with that. It's not demeaning or threatening to anyone but the kind of people who actually think like this:

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Of course I might be wrong, can someone please explain how exactly this is harming someone aside from offending someone (you literally can't avoid offending someone).

I have this crazy dream that one day instead of trying to stop pandering to group X people would actually just pander to everyone.

Oh no! Minecraft/Mojang supposedly hired dancers for one of their parties, they are finished now!
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Or at least someone saw "hot women" around the VIP area so they "feel like they hired dancers", the feminists will bite their necks off, can't have "hot women" at parties!
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It's over, Notch, ITZ OVER!

The woman with the undeniable penchant for logic is a "games journalist", "Managing editor at http://www.Gameranx.com." aparently.

Previously...
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Kotaku is on it! http://kotaku.com/minecraft-creator-we-did-not-pay-anyone-to-party-462712664

As noted by Misguided@NeoGAF, people-game industry people-are saying that the Minecraft party's V.I.P. section made them uncomfortable.

"I guess I'll be the one to say it: I was not okay with the gender situation in the VIP area at the Minecraft party," Bennett Foddy, the developer behind QWOP, wrote on Twitter.

Thing is, Foddy wasn't the only one to say it. Other developers and industry types did, too. Here's a round-up via Twitter:

Alex May (Eufloria)

"It would appear that the @mojang @notch party at GDC had women paid to be there to socialise with the largely male audience. That's horrid."

Nick Robinson (Freelancer/Revision3)

"wandering through the backstage of .party(), i accidentally stumbled onto the room full of women who were paid to be there. fucking surreal"

Infinite Ammo (Alec Holowka's creative arm)

"Party with women who are paid to speak to you = creepy Left after about 10 minutes Overheard that these women were paid $300/hr."

Terry Cavanagh (Super Hexagon)

"But yeah the girls who were paid up be here to party with us was seriously fucking creepy, stop doing that pls"

Smudged Cat Games (Infinite Doodle)

"Yeah, I spoke to someone who was 'paid to party', as she put it. Didn't seem that interested in game dev. Good rack though!"

Louzerman102:
What is it about video game development that makes people loose all sense of professionalism? If you are professional people, representing a mule-cultural/multi-ethic/muli-gender company you don't hire scantily clad female dancers.

As a professional geek, I certainly know my bounds and won't hate on no professional dancer.

If that's reason enough to quit a job, well, I believe it's rather hard to keep a job... any job that comes with any kind of responsibility or proper payment.

I am feeling, speaking and thinking from a position of general wariness of any and all stunts labelled 'feminism', though. I am not in sync with sexists, macho men, dude bros and other bottom feeders. But, to me, they're just the same intolerant, annoying bunch like the majority of not quite enlightened pseudo feminists going berserk on society and themselves in a fit of rage-quitting frenzy of potentially good thoughts and mostly random stupid deeds.

DVS BSTrD:
I wonder what she must have thought of all the female cosplayers at PAX.

And the relevance of such thoughts is... what, exactly? These were hired by the event organisers.

OT: It'd be more useful to stay in the position and help maintain course correction, instead of just up and quitting, would it not?

I have little knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the actual party, but no matter the case, resigning doesn't seem like the right move. "I know! I disapprove of something that happened, and am in a position that I might be able to do something about it. So I'm going to give up that position as a shortsighted misguided statement or some shit... and then not be in a position to do anything about it anymore." I really don't understand the mindset behind that choice.

Slightly Off Topic:

I'm really bored of the sexism conversation. That may seem like a kind of shit thing to say, but while I'm not one to ignore problems like racism/sexism/ageism/height-ism... etc, I think that overexposure of a problem can actually cause more harm than no exposure. It's pretty hard to, for example, mellow out about... let's say people with blue eyes... when every other day someone is angry about blued eyed people, questioning something about blue eyed people, questioning if something something else did is offensive to blue eyed people, questioning if the questioning of the something someone else did is in itself offensive to blue eyed people. The end result is that the discussion has created more animosity than the actual issue, and the various camps have been pushed farther apart and fractured rather than coming to a consensus. Not to sound like a hippy, but I find the best way to get along and understand others is to chill and talk WITH them... not about them.

rhizhim:
so she resigned for this?
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i can understand why, but at the same time it just boggles my mind how you can just throw your job away because of this.

Because no one would rather have fun at a party if they can jump on a bandwagon instead, apparently.

Captcha: Toe the line - pfft.

TheCommanders:
I have little knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the actual party, but no matter the case, resigning doesn't seem like the right move. "I know! I disapprove of something that happened, and am in a position that I might be able to do something about it. So I'm going to give up that position as a shortsighted misguided statement or some shit... and then not be in a position to do anything about it anymore." I really don't understand the mindset behind that choice.

Slightly Off Topic:

I'm really bored of the sexism conversation. That may seem like a kind of shit thing to say, but while I'm not one to ignore problems like racism/sexism/ageism/height-ism... etc, I think that overexposure of a problem can actually cause more harm than no exposure. It's pretty hard to, for example, mellow out about... let's say people with blue eyes... when every other day someone is angry about blued eyed people, questioning something about blue eyed people, questioning if something something else did is offensive to blue eyed people, questioning if the questioning of the something someone else did is in itself offensive to blue eyed people. The end result is that the discussion has created more animosity than the actual issue, and the various camps have been pushed farther apart and fractured rather than coming to a consensus. Not to sound like a hippy, but I find the best way to get along and understand others is to chill and talk WITH them... not about them.

Your off topic is overall a nice point. I would find it very hard for the people who like to accuse and lambaste people as sexists to actually have the gall to call them sexist if they actually got to sit down and got to know em or got to see a day in their life. Hell if it wasn't for the forced online multiplayer only option the ability to actually sit down and play a game is actually one of the best ways to break the ice.

nignonymous:
How about the next time there's an event in the tech industry, all the women wear burqas.

That way there's no risk of offending anyone.

Heh.
And the funny thing? That's just trading exploitation for discrimination.

Phasmal:

magicmonkeybars:

Are you a misogynist ?
You seem to dislike women a great deal.

Yeeeahh... we're done here.
Not that it wasn't funny while it lasted.

This is what women get when they speak up against the industry perpetuating a work environment that is unfriendly to them.
Luckily I have been around for these debates long enough to know when to leave them.

I do take issue with your last sentiment. His response isn't due to you being a woman, honestly his comment could have easily been directed at a man and have the same context. While I don't agree with everything that gentlemen said you do seem to be projecting.

On a separate note no one is denying that the industry doesn't make the female demographic as important as they should be. But one thing I can't help shake my head at is you guys are supposedly fighting for your right to equal treatment of women by getting other women fired or less work available for women in their chosen profession. It just seems you are putting your tastes above other successful women's livelihood and careers.

I am actually sad that we lost a strong women on top that could really help smoothing things along when it comes to equality among the industry and instead became a scapegoat over such a minor offense.

Got to love the hyperbole in some of the responses here. Apparently expecting a modicum of professionalism and inclusiveness from industry related events is totally out of line.

Tenmar:

TheCommanders:
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Your off topic is overall a nice point. I would find it very hard for the people who like to accuse and lambaste people as sexists to actually have the gall to call them sexist if they actually got to sit down and got to know em or got to see a day in their life. Hell if it wasn't for the forced online multiplayer only option the ability to actually sit down and play a game is actually one of the best ways to break the ice.

It's weird, because I always thought games were a great way to bring people of all different backgrounds, genders, races, sexual preferences, whatever, together. I've been playing some Mass Effect multiplayer recently and you meet people from all over, and you get to work together towards a common goal. Still we (gamers) somehow manage to consistently end up at each others throats over issues that we should be united in our efforts to improve. Sigh, real life sucks...

Well that was an insanely stupid idea(hiring the dancers), considering all the controversy swirling around the industry as of late.

Other than that I have nothing more to say on the subject, lest I be sucked into the abyss and eaten alive by both sides of the argument... Woohooo neutrality!

Oltsu:
Gaming seems to be turning into a grey blob of political correctness.

Hah! I wish.

EDIT: Though usually Political correctness is more like "Turning the game industry into a place where there is less overt awfulness."

Uhura:
Got to love the hyperbole in some of the responses here. Apparently expecting a modicum of professionalism and inclusiveness from industry related events is totally out of line.

I wish I could somehow elevate this post above others and hold it like an sign of enlightenment among a sea of bizarre nonsense.

But of course such nice response like this will probably be met with goal post moving.

My favorite hyperbole so far is the one relating to Burkas.

rhizhim:
so she resigned for this?
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i can understand why, but at the same time it just boggles my mind how you can just throw your job away because of this.

You can understand why? Have you ever been to any party or night club ever? This is nothing. Hell, the girl on the right is dressed pretty modestly compared to most girls' average party attire.

What the hell do gamers have against pretty women? I'm legitimately asking. Booth babes, "fake" gamer girls, and now they're not even allowed at our parties. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and telling them to dress like this. They probably see this gig as getting paid to party. Since they seem to have no unifying factor other than color id even be willing to bet their dress code was "wear white" and THEY were the ones who chose to dress like that.

The rectally inserted sticks of some people geez.

Darken12:

Baresark:
That is fine if you don't want to cite a bunch of stuff. I'm not interested in denying any actual scientific work that has been done which defends your point of view. It's easy to sit there and say something isn't scientific enough or the study is conducted with large enough test groups, I see that on here all the time. And while it should always be scrutinized, I doubt anyone around here is qualified enough to deny the results of any scientific studies.

Tried to find the post I made in the Anita thread, but apparently it's no longer on my profile. Maybe the thread got deleted.

Completely off-topic, but if the thread you have in mind got locked (as Sarkeesian-related threads are prone to) it would have been automatically deleted some period after it was locked. I think the period length is two weeks or so, but I am not entirely certain.

Hjalmar Fryklund:

Darken12:

Baresark:
That is fine if you don't want to cite a bunch of stuff. I'm not interested in denying any actual scientific work that has been done which defends your point of view. It's easy to sit there and say something isn't scientific enough or the study is conducted with large enough test groups, I see that on here all the time. And while it should always be scrutinized, I doubt anyone around here is qualified enough to deny the results of any scientific studies.

Tried to find the post I made in the Anita thread, but apparently it's no longer on my profile. Maybe the thread got deleted.

Completely off-topic, but if the thread you have in mind got locked (as Sarkeesian-related threads are prone to) it would have been automatically deleted some period after it was locked. I think the period length is two weeks or so, but I am not entirely certain.

That would seem to be the case, yes. Alas!

Captcha: fade away. How appropriate, Captcha. How appropriate.

TheCommanders:

It's weird, because I always thought games were a great way to bring people of all different backgrounds, genders, races, sexual preferences, whatever, together. I've been playing some Mass Effect multiplayer recently and you meet people from all over, and you get to work together towards a common goal. Still we (gamers) somehow manage to consistently end up at each others throats over issues that we should be united in our efforts to improve. Sigh, real life sucks...

Gotta remember though that it isn't a small niche group that enjoys video games anymore. Certainly being a hobbyist to the point where you are really knowledgeable or extremely skills is still very niche or a niche group for a certain genre of game. But overall? Every really is a gamer now. Ever since Sony went with the Playstation video games and the people who play them has only expanded in terms of demographics and video games are more accessible than ever.

So that compassion or unity that used to bind people locally as kids of the 80's were picked on because they interacted with an electronic device were nerdy is all but gone. Also more adults at that point are often going to either forget that moment in their lives and move on from it. Not to mention due to the end of local co-op in video games that people really don't actually get to socialize the same way anymore. There really is that difference of sitting with someone and playing video games with them than playing even one house over.

Tenmar:

TheCommanders:

It's weird, because I always thought games were a great way to bring people of all different backgrounds, genders, races, sexual preferences, whatever, together. I've been playing some Mass Effect multiplayer recently and you meet people from all over, and you get to work together towards a common goal. Still we (gamers) somehow manage to consistently end up at each others throats over issues that we should be united in our efforts to improve. Sigh, real life sucks...

Gotta remember though that it isn't a small niche group that enjoys video games anymore. Certainly being a hobbyist to the point where you are really knowledgeable or extremely skills is still very niche or a niche group for a certain genre of game. But overall? Every really is a gamer now. Ever since Sony went with the Playstation video games and the people who play them has only expanded in terms of demographics and video games are more accessible than ever.

So that compassion or unity that used to bind people locally as kids of the 80's were picked on because they interacted with an electronic device were nerdy is all but gone. Also more adults at that point are often going to either forget that moment in their lives and move on from it. Not to mention due to the end of local co-op in video games that people really don't actually get to socialize the same way anymore. There really is that difference of sitting with someone and playing video games with them than playing even one house over.

Ah, I see I phrased that badly. My point was that when playing games with people, it's rarely - if ever - an issue that straights and gays are playing together, or blacks and whites, or males and females, we're just all people trying to enjoy ourselves. However, the moment a controversial topic is brought up, all of these people are suddenly at each other's throats. It's almost like the concept of an issue has taken on more divisiveness than the actual issue, if that makes any sense. Just trying to clear up what I was talking about.

Quadocky:

Uhura:
Got to love the hyperbole in some of the responses here. Apparently expecting a modicum of professionalism and inclusiveness from industry related events is totally out of line.

I wish I could somehow elevate this post above others and hold it like an sign of enlightenment among a sea of bizarre nonsense.

But of course such nice response like this will probably be met with goal post moving.

My favorite hyperbole so far is the one relating to Burkas.

Oh whew, thanks. I was half expecting a verbal smack down. Yeah, the Burka hyperbole is my favorite too, a true classic! I think I have to stop reading this thread though. I'm starting to get a headache from all the facepalming.

So feminists complain about the wage gap in the industry, which is mainly due to barely any woman actually going into the industry. Then they quit their jobs and try to ban hired dancers (we still don't know if they were actual hired dancers), thus bringing down the overall number of women in the industry?

What.

I suppose at this rate we'll be better off tying a noose round our necks for any kind of fun. Sexism a problem? Damn straight on both sides but the majority of the females are arrogant about it. I'll try and avoid a sexist joke relating to that but shooting yourself in the foot is only hurting yourself.

Sounds like corporate strippers are gonna be out of a job soon.

Guitarmasterx7:
You can understand why? Have you ever been to any party or night club ever? This is nothing. Hell, the girl on the right is dressed pretty modestly compared to most girls' average party attire.

What the hell do gamers have against pretty women? I'm legitimately asking. Booth babes, "fake" gamer girls, and now they're not even allowed at our parties. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and telling them to dress like this. They probably see this gig as getting paid to party. Since they seem to have no unifying factor other than color id even be willing to bet their dress code was "wear white" and THEY were the ones who chose to dress like that.

The rectally inserted sticks of some people geez.

This is sort of my opinion as well. They're really not dressed that sexually, and I'm having a hard time imagining anyone who thinks they are in a real night club.

Sometimes I can't shake this idea that we're so desperate to convince ourselves that we're fighting social inequality that we just blindly attack anything.

I know discrimination is wrong but this positive discrimination is becoming tiresome, you can't hire a woman displaying her sexuality in anyway or you're being sexist, you can't display black people in a bad light or use the "N" word however appropriate the situation "I'm talking about Django" where you had a number of activists claiming the film was racist when it so clearly wasn't and god forbid you use the word "Jew" in any context.

Yet we can kill arabs and muslims by the thousands in games and films because they don't count as people apparently, we can undermine and berate their religion because that's ok, I also notice films and games can refer to Chinese/Koreans and other far east nationals as g*oks and ch*nks with no fallout because that isn't the same as using the "N" word.

Were not allowed to objectify women in anyway, hire some slightly sexy dancers and you're a sexist pig undermining the whole feminist movement, yet women use their sexuality as weapon all the time to manipulate and make men feel uncomfortable.

People have a right to discrimination free life and be protected from uncomfortable situations in the work place but I've shown that picture to all my female friends on facebook and not one said it was sexist or would make them uncomfortable being there and as for Brenda Romero she wasn't even there. It's a typical stunt to gain media attention creating something out of nothing but all it achieves is turning more people against her cause.

I kept wondering why I as somewhat of a liberal stop giving a shit about feminist, gays, and every other fucking minority group, irony being I am a minority, then I see this. Then I remember why, stupid fuckers complain about EVERYTHING!!! The tech industry, is as sexist as every other industry, as racist as every other industry. Screaming, and arguing over the stupidest shit, that at the end of the day wasn't even sexist isn't helping the fucking cause. One poster said it best, these groups are going the way of PETA, what ever issue they had, is clouded by all the stupidity that permeates from them.

I swear, it seems like people are confusing equal opportunity with equal outcome, having half the market doesn't means that you'll have half the representation, and tolerance doesn't mean acceptance.. Why is tech industry a boy club? Not because of he-man no like women, but because most women not interested in the tech job market, same with race. Why don't game companies market equal gender or race representation? Because most of the buying power comes from white, or depending on region oriental, and one is assuming that just because women represents half of gamer, doesn't mean that they have half the representation of every genre, or every fucking game sold. Once again women into different shit, and the markets adjust accordingly. Women playing "casual" games, to having girly games be straight up market to them, some games represent both groups equally, some of a disparity between them, same with every other market out there.

Does sexism, racism, and all the other ism, play a role? Yes, a small role, but most of it is based on something as simple as people just not interested for what ever reason. Some things are just the way they are, and people need to accept that. But this constant bitching, doesn't help anyone, and it's tiring as hell, because it seem so fucking petty. Yeah they had a party, it had topless dancer(S?), and people having to jump on the outrage train is fucking stupid, and really does nothing but dilute your cause, cause you keep doing this shit.

I think another of the major problems here is that continually beating a live horse will kill it.

And then you're beating a dead horse.

Seriously, there are times to get offended, like the Dead island bust statue thing. Then there's this time. A time where your reaction causes everyone else to be confused. And then get annoyed at you for your ridiculous reaction.

Also in my mind, I hear "romero" and think "lol daikatana"

Yeah I know she's his wife, but I think the crazy rubbed off on her, too.

Uhura:

Quadocky:

Uhura:
Got to love the hyperbole in some of the responses here. Apparently expecting a modicum of professionalism and inclusiveness from industry related events is totally out of line.

I wish I could somehow elevate this post above others and hold it like an sign of enlightenment among a sea of bizarre nonsense.

But of course such nice response like this will probably be met with goal post moving.

My favorite hyperbole so far is the one relating to Burkas.

Oh whew, thanks. I was half expecting a verbal smack down. Yeah, the Burka hyperbole is my favorite too, a true classic! I think I have to stop reading this thread though. I'm starting to get a headache from all the facepalming.

I am also quoting you to show support.

OT: This did not happen in a vacuum guys and it was a stupid move that rings of being tone deaf. To those sick of these discussions: too bad. They will not stop till some of this crap is addressed with more then a sound bite.

So lemme get this straight, there was a party and because a few chicks showed up in skimpy outfits and danced around that caused enough butthurt for a resignation?

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I had a look at her credentials.

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