Microsoft Exec on Always Online Consoles: "Deal With it"

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Does he not get that if the power doesn't work, we blame the electricity company rather than our vacuum cleaner company? The issue isn't that we don't trust our own internet connections, it's that we don't trust the servers provided to function, as was the case of the Diablo 3 and SimCity launch. Also the fact that the internet connection is entirely unnecessary to the functioning of the device as opposed to the mobile phone network for a phone to work and electricity for a vacuum cleaner to work.

That's kind of the thing with analogies. They're shit.

Edit: My mate has an Xbox 360, he can't go online with it at university because they don't let them on the network in our halls. He would therefore be unable to play ANY games at university if this was the case. I guess the next Xbox isn't for anyone who might want to go to university?

All the more reason not to waste money on it. Online is extra not default, get over that.

Well, then.....that wasn't handled very well.

You'd think by this point, the game industry would've figured this out: regardless of how you feel about always-on DRM, DON'T FUCKING TALK ABOUT IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM. All you're gonna do is piss people off.

But I'm not too concerned with that right now. Microsoft still has to sell the damn thing to me, and as of now I don't want any of the next-gen consoles.

RedDeadFred:

Slyaap:
Ok....I'll deal with it. I've decided not to buy the next version of the Xbox.

Dealt with.

Couldn't have said it better myself. On the upside of this, they've made it very easy for me to decide which next-gen console I will be buying.

I don't understand how they could possibly thought that this was a good idea.

Captcha: poetic justice
I think captcha is looking into the future and seeing the nextbox absolutely flop due this always online bull shit.

Yes, the next gen console war is already over and won as far as I'm concerned. Many other people I've spoken to feel the same way too.
But let me make it clear, it's not that this one guy has said enough in this one statement to put me off Microsoft, it's just the latest in a long line of fan disrespect.
MS consistently treat gamers like dirt, and while I don't believe Sony are much better I've personally found the PS3 experience: Games, DLC, Interactivity and Customer Support to be deserving of my loyalty.

But that's me

Why do we just have to take the industry's shit? Surely we must have some power as consumers?

Zachary Amaranth:

Kargathia:
Customers who don't like what you're selling won't buy it. #dealwithit.

Yes they will. They'll buy it and complain anyway. Look at SimCity. #sadbuttrue

I could perhaps consider that possibility if the nexbox was the first next gen console, but it won't. The PS4 will come out earlier this time, capitalize on all the early adopters and start building a userbase in the most optimal way possible, only having to compete with the WiiU, which is such a pile of dogshit that noone wants to develop for it. All it needs is a handful of killer apps in order to completely crush Microsoft. Why would anyone switch from PS4 to Xbox 6 months or a year down the line? Or, if you are an early adopter, why would you skip the PS4 and wait for the Xbox? I honestly see no reason, unless you like Halo so much that you are willing to buy a console with always online DRM and Xbox live fees just for that. They are really shooting themselves in the foot this time.

Hold on let me just look... Hmm yes im still a PC gamer.

I do really like to watch the net rip into someone, always good to watch.
I also like memes.

This gunu be gud! Ueh! he!

Carnagath:
The PS4 will come out earlier this time

Since you're basing your whole statement on this idea, I'm curious as to how you got this announcement before any news agency and before Microsoft has even announced their console. There's no evidence in terms of release dates and no reason to believe that Microsoft won't try and be competitive. If you do have a crystal ball I'd be interested to know.

However, the reality is that gamers are notoriously bad consumers, and we'll be too busy screaming "shut up and take my money" to care about the flaws until after the fact.

MrGalactus:
Why do we just have to take the industry's shit? Surely we must have some power as consumers?

At this point, the only way to win is to not play at all.

The industry has forgotten that they are competing against not only the games released this year, but all games released ever. I think gamers have forgotten that as well, but in times like these, looking up some old classics might be a good idea. Old games don't have online DRM, and usually feel like they were built with a lot more love and care than current titles.

Zachary Amaranth:

Carnagath:
The PS4 will come out earlier this time

Since you're basing your whole statement on this idea, I'm curious as to how you got this announcement before any news agency and before Microsoft has even announced their console. There's no evidence in terms of release dates and no reason to believe that Microsoft won't try and be competitive. If you do have a crystal ball I'd be interested to know.

However, the reality is that gamers are notoriously bad consumers, and we'll be too busy screaming "shut up and take my money" to care about the flaws until after the fact.

I suppose you are looking a direct quote of a release date from the companies themselves. Such a thing indeed does not exist yet, but Sony seem to be considerably ahead of their hardware development cycle than Microsoft, judging from the amount of information that they have officially released about the system (which is, well, everything, apart from the console's form). It is also widely said that the PS4 will be released within 2013 (Christmas season) by many gaming-related content creators and publications, including tweets by developers and people like Totalbiscuit. Unfortunately I don't have the time to compile a host of links for you right now, so if you choose to dismiss all that as completely baseless rumor until you see something on Sony's website, then that's your choice.

Also, my argument is based on the idea that noone without a rock solid high speed connection will buy the Xbox, period, and out of those that do live in Metropolitan areas with great connections and no bandwidth limits, I still don't see why one would choose to buy something that doesn't allow used games, is held hostage to Microsoft's server tempers (which have brought us inspiring technological marvels such as the RROD and GFWL) and will brick your entire game library once it is discontinued, instead of something that doesn't do all those things. I think it's a pretty valid question.

MrGalactus:
Why do we just have to take the industry's shit? Surely we must have some power as consumers?

It's because they figure the vocal minority isn't big enough to affect their sales and that in the long run we'd cave in and buy their crap and join the masses. As for myself, I just shrug, give them the finger and plug in my PS2.

Kargathia:

Zachary Amaranth:

Kargathia:
Customers who don't like what you're selling won't buy it. #dealwithit.

Yes they will. They'll buy it and complain anyway. Look at SimCity. #sadbuttrue

Except that I'd be extremely surprised if SimCity turns out to be profitable. At this point it's safe to say that it'll be selling way below expectancy.

Er, isn't SimCity around 50 million in revenue already? They've more than recovered the cost. Though I won't be surprised at all if it fails to meet the ROI they wanted.

my vacuum cleaner CANT work without power
my games consoles COULD work without the internet
....there is a difference

also if the power goes off i dont then have to wait 30seconds for it to turn on and then start from cleaning back from the beginning.

There's something really funny about people using twitter to endanger their own jobs. I reckon it's probably because the people doing it always seem to be under the impression that they're being smart at that moment... and they be wrong.

The analogies are terribad.

Pfft, "analysts are still wondering why the Durango failed to outsell the PS4" - No headline ever

"competition sells a hoover that doesn't need electricity. I buy that instead of the competitions"

#Ihatehashtags

Desert Punk:

Starke:

Desert Punk:

When it comes to Microsoft, there is always a bigger fish.

And with how small their gaming sector is, I can promise you he really doesnt want to piss off one of those bigger fish. And running his mouth like a brain dead chimp will do exactly that.

The other side of that is, he's not likely to actually piss them off with something like this. Bigger fish, bigger concerns. Now, if the console dies on the shelf because of the connection requirement, or gets marked as unfit for sale in Europe because of it... then he might be looking for a new job.

Ah but you see, this doesnt effect only their gaming department like the only online thing would.

This is a microsoft exec running his mouth and being a douchebag to the public, people wont really care what part of microsoft he belongs to, he is microsoft and thats all they will care about, and that can create a signifiganr PR stink that someone has to deal with.

Except, so far as it goes, he really can't create a "significant PR stink". At least not so far as the people he answers to are concerned.

Here's the thing, and you seem to be missing this part. He works for Microsoft. The people he answers to came up in an era before the internet had the influence it does today. In fact, his comments say he did too. That he can say whatever stupid shit comes into his head there because no one cares.

Anyone who got into their position before, say, about five years ago, and this will look like a very, very, minor incident. The kind that'll be forgotten inside a week.

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

Slyaap:
Ok....I'll deal with it. I've decided not to buy the next version of the Xbox.

Dealt with.

(I hope this isn't too low content, I'm awfully new at this)

Pretty much this, if it's always online I won't be getting the new Xbox, consider me having 'dealt with it'.

Oh, and usually a couple sentences is good enough to avoid a low content post, as far as I've seen. Welcome to the site bud/

Starke:

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

Except there is one article, posted here, who has confirmed with one reliable source that this retard no longer works at microsoft, and are working at confirming it with another source.

So much for his job not being in any danger.

While it is true that electricity does go out, we NEED electricity to power our devices. We don't and shouldn't NEED an always-online connection to play games. They don't have to put this in, and it inconveniences people (their customers) when they do this. It's really quite simple. Rather than say "Why are you upset about this? Internet connections are stable these days!", one should say "Why the hell do you need to put this in in the first place?"

I actually agree with Mr. Orth. Every time I want to play a video game, whether it be a PC game or a console game, I'm connected to the internet. I don't need to be connected, but I am anyway. Always online is a complete non-issue for me.

The one thing I will say though is that it's crucial that any always online system is stress tested thoroughly, and you have to make sure you have next to no downtime. That was the biggest mistake EA made with their Sim City launch, their systems were completely inadequate to handle the huge volume of people interacting with their network.

Desert Punk:

Starke:

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

Except there is one article, posted here, who has confirmed with one reliable source that this retard no longer works at microsoft, and are working at confirming it with another source.

So much for his job not being in any danger.

I wouldn't be surprised. But let's get something clear, so long as the console still comes out with always-on DRM, the sacking has no PR value whatsoever. The only way Microsoft will dig its way out of this hole is to make a press release not only apologizing for their (ex)employee's opinions, but also stating that they listened to the objections and have altered the design to allow for an offline mode.

Otherwise this is just a case of silencing a particularly douchy employee.

Starke:
Here's the thing, and you seem to be missing this part. He works for Microsoft. The people he answers to came up in an era before the internet had the influence it does today. In fact, his comments say he did too. That he can say whatever stupid shit comes into his head there because no one cares.

Anyone who got into their position before, say, about five years ago, and this will look like a very, very, minor incident. The kind that'll be forgotten inside a week.

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

It's funny you say that. I just finished reading this: http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/

Microsoft issued a public apology.

Well, as im sure it's already been said; I won't be buying the next Xbox.

This makes me really sad though as I loved the first xbox and my first
console fps I actually wanted to beat was Halo CE. I also had a ps2, but I
fell in love with the 360 and the exclusive games it offered. I guess its Ps4 for me now.
Or Ill just stick with my sub-par gaming laptop. sigh..decisions.

That Hyena Bloke:

Desert Punk:

Starke:

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

Except there is one article, posted here, who has confirmed with one reliable source that this retard no longer works at microsoft, and are working at confirming it with another source.

So much for his job not being in any danger.

I wouldn't be surprised. But let's get something clear, so long as the console still comes out with always-on DRM, the sacking has no PR value whatsoever. The only way Microsoft will dig its way out of this hole is to make a press release not only apologizing for their (ex)employee's opinions, but also stating that they listened to the objections and have altered the design to allow for an offline mode.

Otherwise this is just a case of silencing a particularly douchy employee.

Damn escapist eating my posts -grumbles-

The firing would be for acting like a douche in public, not really to smooth always online feathers.

Afterall, its not just gamers hearing about this. It is business owners and the like, who may well interact with other portions of the company like networking, operating systems, ect.

sigh...

the timing of this is perfect. my Internet has been spotty to say the least, and while playing Mass Effect 3 today the Internet (ethernet connection too) disconnected around 4 times throughout the final mission of the game. I could've just left it that way, but I was trying to see how long I could deal with "always on" essentially (double the frustration if a dc means the game resets x.x)

onyx_sword:

Starke:
Here's the thing, and you seem to be missing this part. He works for Microsoft. The people he answers to came up in an era before the internet had the influence it does today. In fact, his comments say he did too. That he can say whatever stupid shit comes into his head there because no one cares.

Anyone who got into their position before, say, about five years ago, and this will look like a very, very, minor incident. The kind that'll be forgotten inside a week.

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

It's funny you say that. I just finished reading this: http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/

Microsoft issued a public apology.

Yeah, that was the formulaic PR apology I mentioned... I didn't notice Major Nelson reposted it, but, you know, not very surprising, given that is a major part of his job.

In the range of me being a pedantic bastard, mea culpa is just basically Latin for "mybad".

Desert Punk:

Starke:

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

Except there is one article, posted here, who has confirmed with one reliable source that this retard no longer works at microsoft, and are working at confirming it with another source.

So much for his job not being in any danger.

I'd take the 4player link with a grain of salt. It's not impossible, but it's a little suspicious they have a single source on this, and no other site, including Forbes has managed to get that.

If it's confirmed through the guy's linkedin profile, they get a couple more sources who confirm it, or someone makes an official statement, then, sure, have fun. In the meantime it sounds like a source who wants to sound like they're more in the know than they actually are, making claims to a journalist.

Christ... okay the guy is a douche, but he doesn't need to lose his job over this.

Its more than just him pushing for always online DRM you know.

Kargathia:
Customers who don't like what you're selling won't buy it. #dealwithit.

Oh, Microsoft will deal with it alright. They are not stupid; they wouldn't consider always-online restrictions if they didn't know their system would sell millions anyway.

Starke:

If it's confirmed through the guy's linkedin profile

Which...he seems to have closed down...

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-orth/44/354/b44

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adam/Orth

Not lookin good for him even with a grain of salt taken

I went from NES to Genesis, Genesis to PS, PS to N64, N64 to PS2 & XBOX, now I have a 360, and it looks like it'll be PS4.

If they go ahead with an online-only console, I hope they fail as a developer. Would serve them right.

onyx_sword:

Starke:
Here's the thing, and you seem to be missing this part. He works for Microsoft. The people he answers to came up in an era before the internet had the influence it does today. In fact, his comments say he did too. That he can say whatever stupid shit comes into his head there because no one cares.

Anyone who got into their position before, say, about five years ago, and this will look like a very, very, minor incident. The kind that'll be forgotten inside a week.

And, you know what? They're right. PR's turned out a formulaic mea culpa, and the story's dead. You may hate the guy, but his job isn't in any danger right now.

It's funny you say that. I just finished reading this: http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/

Microsoft issued a public apology.

That's kind of an apology. A more substantive apology would be coming out with an announcement that their next generation console will in fact not require the console to have a constant internet connection in order to function.

As it stands, I have no interest in a PS4. And, well... let's just say that PC gaming is looking more appealing by the day.

Strazdas:
SNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Well, as someone who couldn't get any faster than dial-up 2 years ago, and whose current internet is a fraction as fast as broadband, I can say that you're hilariously wrong in your generalization of the entire country of the USA. Honestly, if the next XBOX quite literally needs an internet connection to run, then Microsoft are a bunch of brainless twats who didn't deserve my money for their console anyway. I really can't get any faster internet where I live in Beloit, WI. Not all of the United States has the population density of Seattle, and the people simply cannot get a reliable connection.

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