The Dark Knight Returns' Robin Entering DCU Continuity

The Dark Knight Returns' Robin Entering DCU Continuity

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Carrie Kelley, the female Robin from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, will appear in the next issue of Batman and Red Robin.

The Dark Knight Returns, a 1986 story written and drawn by the legendary Frank Miller, provided a dark look at the dystopian future of Gotham City after Batman's retirement. In TDKR, which was recently adapted into a two-part, full-length animated feature, an elderly Bruce Wayne finds a new sidekick, teenager Carrie Kelley, who becomes a female Robin. Of course, as only one possible future, The Dark Knight Returns didn't exist in official DC Universe continuity, and even if it did, the publisher hit the reset button with the launch of The New 52 in 2011. However, Kelley will soon be making her New 52 debut; she's set to appear in the next issue of Batman and Red Robin, marking her first appearance in official DCU continuity.

Though The New 52's current Batman is in need of a Robin, that doesn't mean Carrie Kelley will be donning the yellow cape (outside of a costume party, that is). "She's not exactly the 'new Robin'," writer Peter Tomasi said of the news. That doesn't mean Carrie's just making a cameo appearance; she'll be around "a helluva lot longer than 'one issue.' I've got plans for Carrie that play well into the future."

Instead of a young teenager, this Carrie Kelley is a college-age woman, though Tomasi acknowledged that DC was "staying close to Frank Miller's visual template and personality" of the character. Apparently, she has some ties to the (SPOILERS) deceased Damian Wayne (son of Bruce and most recent Robin), which is how she gets involved in the story. Beyond that, Tomasi didn't want to reveal too many details to avoid spoiling the story.

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You'd be forgiven for being confused by the DC Universe continuity situation; it's certainly befuddling, if not a convoluted mess at times. There's no guarantee that this New 52 version of Carrie Kelley will become the new Robin, but it would be pretty cool. She's a great character introduced in a great story, and hopefully DC can continue to capture her spunky personality in future issues of Batman and Red Robin. The comic in which she'll first appear, Batman and Red Robin #19, hits comic shops on April 10.

Source: Comic Book Resources via The Mary Sue

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Woah, woah, woah... hold the phone, Frank Miller wrote a female character that was interesting and likable... AND WASN'T A STRIPPER!? Im not actually making a joke here, this is nice to see, now I don't feel as bad when I tell people that I really like 300.

I haven't kept up with the B&R too much. I think I have the first 10 but after that I had to stop picking them up, financial reasons more than anything. When I found out what they were going to do to Damian and what they did do, I was super sad.

I am excited however to see what DC does with Carrie Kelly. My friends and I often have conversations about how she was one of the best Robins, even though her career was extremely short lived.

PunkRex:
Woah, woah, woah... hold the phone, Frank Miller wrote a female character that was interesting and likable... AND WASN'T A STRIPPER!?

It was a long time ago. He's got over it since.

Actually, along with this version of Robin he created Elektra, who was quite a strong female character, and his mini-series for Dark Horse, Give Me Liberty, also had a female lead. It's really only since Sin City that he's gone downhill, but between that, The Dark Knight Strikes Again and Holy Terror he's really gone way downhill.

OT: Bloody hell, DC - what's the point of making a big deal out of a fresh start if you're just going to mine your old stuff for material anyway?

Oh right, hype and issue 1 sales. Okay, nevermind...

Not worth killing Damian Wayne. Cool character, but not worth it. Seriously DC, can you not keep things out of the status quo for more than a single bloody year?

Sixcess:

PunkRex:
Woah, woah, woah... hold the phone, Frank Miller wrote a female character that was interesting and likable... AND WASN'T A STRIPPER!?

It was a long time ago. He's got over it since.

Actually, along with this version of Robin he created Elektra, who was quite a strong female character, and his mini-series for Dark Horse, Give Me Liberty, also had a female lead. It's really only since Sin City that he's gone downhill, but between that, The Dark Knight Strikes Again and Holy Terror he's really gone way downhill.

OT: Bloody hell, DC - what's the point of making a big deal out of a fresh start if you're just going to mine your old stuff for material anyway?

Oh right, hype and issue 1 sales. Okay, nevermind...

Thats my bad for not really reading western super hero comics.

Wait, Kelley? Why not bring back Stephanie Brown? Instead they're borrowing cues from the legendary--

Oh sorry, i meant infamous and ragingly stupid Frank Miller? C'mon DC! You should be smarter than that!

Pyramid Head:
Wait, Kelley? Why not bring back Stephanie Brown? Instead they're borrowing cues from the legendary--

Oh sorry, i meant infamous and ragingly stupid Frank Miller? C'mon DC! You should be smarter than that!

I was thinking the same thing, I really didn't read any of the comics Stephanie was in, but she was a really awesome character.

Also, obligatory: Saaaaay... -checks watch- it's Miller time.

Pyramid Head:
Wait, Kelley? Why not bring back Stephanie Brown?

It's because DC hates Stephanie Brown for some reason.

My movie bob scenes are tingling.

Tank207:

Pyramid Head:
Wait, Kelley? Why not bring back Stephanie Brown? Instead they're borrowing cues from the legendary--

Oh sorry, i meant infamous and ragingly stupid Frank Miller? C'mon DC! You should be smarter than that!

I was thinking the same thing, I really didn't read any of the comics Stephanie was in, but she was a really awesome character.

Also, obligatory: Saaaaay... -checks watch- it's Miller time.

That reminds me. When's the next History of Power Rangers? I want to see the review for Power Rangers RPM before the bombs go off and i become a Ghoul.

DRTJR:
My movie bob scenes are tingling.

Indeed. I can almost feel the storm clouds of comic-nerdage gathering in the distance...I must be going, it will be dark soon.

Pyramid Head:

That reminds me. When's the next History of Power Rangers? I want to see the review for Power Rangers RPM before the bombs go off and i become a Ghoul.

I honestly have no clue. I only just recently started watching Linkara's stuff, so my knowledge of what he has done is quite limited. I have however watched all of his "Miller Time" stuff.

Tank207:

Pyramid Head:

That reminds me. When's the next History of Power Rangers? I want to see the review for Power Rangers RPM before the bombs go off and i become a Ghoul.

I honestly have no clue. I only just recently started watching Linkara's stuff, so my knowledge of what he has done is quite limited. I have however watched all of his "Miller Time" stuff.

It takes a little digging to find some of it. One of his "Miller Time" moments was under the reviews of Film Brain, where he reviewed The Spirit which was directed by Frank Miller.
Incidentally regardless of what people say, The Spirit makes it very clear Miller loathed Will Eisner. Sweet fucking Jah, that movie hurt as much as Fantastic Four.

Pyramid Head:

It takes a little digging to find some of it. One of his "Miller Time" moments was under the reviews of Film Brain, where he reviewed The Spirit which was directed by Frank Miller.
Incidentally regardless of what people say, The Spirit makes it very clear Miller loathed Will Eisner. Sweet fucking Jah, that movie hurt as much as Fantastic Four.

Thanks, I'll have to check that out. The Spirit was a pretty horrible movie from what I can remember. The only moment in the movie I found remotely entertaining was the scene where Sam Jackson turned up dressed as a Nazi... and that is pretty much the only thing I remember of that movie, since I bleached the rest of it from my mind.

Should be interesting, though I was hoping on Harper Row being the next Robin somewhere down the line, Carrie should be good though, as she was pretty ace in TDKR.

For some reason her face in that iamge remind me of Gwen (Ben Ten) but with glasses.
Also will her parent be pot heads/ stoners like in the comic (ok you didn't exactly see it, only their shadows but it was kind of hinted as that as they pretty much neglected her).

All I can say is that Batman having a son at all, and then that son becoming Robin never really clicked with me, so I'm not all that sorry to see Damien go. That said, it seems to me that they are floundering around for another Robin that will "click" with audiences like Dick or Tim did, and truthfully this seems like another attempt doomed for failure because Robin is iconically "The Boy Wonder". Having Carrie turn up at college age doesn't strike me as being workable when you get past the gender issues, because that's the age when Robins are supposed to you know... be getting ready to move on. She's also arguably a bit too old to train this way, and if one gives her training to begin with it raises all kinds of questions about how much she'd really need Batman, when the issue of the relationship between Batman and Robin has largely been one of co-dependance.

We'll see where this goes, but overall it seems to me that they are just having a character show up in "Batman" that has the same name as a Robin from an "Elseworlds" story (albiet a popular one) who may or may not wind up doing a stint as the current Robin, I think the idea is to test things out and see how fans react to the idea.

If they want to go with a girl Robin, I tend to agree they should have gone with Stephanie Brown/Spoiler again, even if she's the same age as Tim (having been his girlfriend) she's someone who at least needs an emotional anchor. What's more Batman does owe her an apology (not sure if that ever happened) and it can be argued she already has some training, not so much from her brief stint with Batman, but from Tim and Cassandra Cain, so she can step into the role fairly well, and to be honest she's not all that effective in general so isn't likely to steal the shown for quite a while until she improves a lot more.

That said, I still think Robin should be a boy.

I'll also mention that I suspect that they decided to make Carrie college age to avoid the whole issue of pedophillia/jailbait if she was to become Robin. There were all kinds of jokes about Batman and Robin and their relationship, but they were in part funny because it was obviously not true if you read the comics. If you start having some eternally 35 year old dude with some 12-13 year old runaway girl or whatever, your basically asking for people in today's increasingly paranoid society to start calling it creepy, no matter how it turns out in the comics. Especially if you start thinking about things realistically, and open the likely door that say some young girl in a position like that would probably wind up crushing on Batman/Gothams Most Eligible Bachelor heavily... it could be interesting, but I can see why DC wouldn't want to even begin to explore how that might play out and deal with the reactions to the situation even when Batman predictably just remained a mentor/father figure.

I really liked the two animated movies but couldn't really take to Carrie as a character.

Maybe shes better in the comic though, I can't comment on that.

Pyramid Head:
Wait, Kelley? Why not bring back Stephanie Brown? Instead they're borrowing cues from the legendary--

Oh sorry, i meant infamous and ragingly stupid Frank Miller? C'mon DC! You should be smarter than that!

That's a tad unfair. Back in the day, Frank Miller was genuinely one of the best writers out there. There's a reason The Dark Knight Returns is the other superhero comic everyone mentions alongside Watchmen. Not only did it have a similarly deconstructive superhero narrative, but the artwork was nothing less than groundbreaking. TDKR used colour, framing and composition in ways that simply hadn't been done before, and purely on a visual level it was a pioneering piece of work.

Up until recently, Frank Miller was every bit as much a genius comic creator as someone like Alan Moore. Even Sin City, for all its reliance on 'whores', was still a phenomenal piece of visual storytelling. It's only recently that Miller seems to have let himself go, and I'm hoping he's just in a funk that he can snap out of.

elvor0:
Should be interesting, though I was hoping on Harper Row being the next Robin somewhere down the line, Carrie should be good though, as she was pretty ace in TDKR.

Seriously? You actually wanted Harper to become the new Robin? Her backstory is pretty much a rip-off of Tim Drake's backstory, and she's boring and annoying (mostly because Snyder is a hack and can't write). Also, any character who utters the phrase "Epic Bat-fail" is dead to me.

OT: I can't say I'm all that happy with this move, mostly because I'm still sore over Damian's passing, but Carrie was a pretty good character, and I trust Tomasi's writing, so I hope he'll pull this off well. I'm still a little disappointed with no Steph or Cass though. Friggin' Didio messing up everything.

CJ1145:
Not worth killing Damian Wayne. Cool character, but not worth it. Seriously DC, can you not keep things out of the status quo for more than a single bloody year?

The pit will bring him back.

It's destiny.

Instead of a young teenager, this Carrie Kelley is a college-age woman...

Of course she is. How else would DC be able to take a previously interesting and unique female character and turn her into a tarted-up lump of sex and disproportionate anatomy?

 

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