EA Really Doesn't Want to be The Worst Company In America

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Grey Carter:

Xdeser2:

Still though, I'm glad Grey posted this without much opinion on it all, leave it a bit ambiguous lol

You have no idea how hard that was. Still, more material for Critical Miss I guess.

You done the right thing, son. :P

Seriously though, kudos for that. Less bias in a news article is always welcome.

If EA does win this poll (and it's almost certain they will) I wonder if their stock prices will take another hit.

It's not a legitimate poll and obviously it's debatable on what the REAL worst company is but still...It shows how much people hate EA. There's no way stock holders can ignore that.

bug_of_war:

Evil Smurf:
EA ar'n't going to read this thread, why are you all posting as if they will? Furthermore they don't care anyway. Give up, don't buy their games and complain to them not the escapist.

^YES!

I laughed so hard when I scrolled through all these comments saying, "WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN TO US" and then came apon your comment Evil Smurf. It just rings so much truth, EA wouldn't bother looking on a forum such as this one because the only feedback they look for is the dollar signs.

I only just noticed my grammar mistakes D:

But yeah, I try to see the logical solution to mistakes, in a chaotic world you must be sane.

The Artificially Prolonged:
I can keep calling a banana a female aardvark, but it doesn't make anymore true.

Nice Red Dwarf reference. ;)

erttheking:

Aiddon:
if you have voted that EA is worse than the Bank of America despite being up to date on current events, I'm gonna say this right now: YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON. And if you're just ignorant of the BoA's actions, then get yourself familiar.

I have to say I'm going to be voting for EA in the final round and I would appreciate it if you didn't insult me for it.

You cannot compare an entertainment publisher annoying people through some DRM and DLC to a bank that has a history of legitimately screwing people over, which goes up to THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. Games, at the end of the day, are just a luxury, a commodity. Banking services are HIGH on the list of necessities and a HOUSE is a bloody necessity right up there with food and water. Sorry, but this scorn against EA against far, FAR worse companies is silly.

I'm just gonna leave this right here.
http://consumerist.com/2013/04/05/ea-admits-it-can-do-better-but-blames-worst-company-success-on-homophobes-and-whiny-madden-fans/

Especially this part right here.

http://consumerist.com:
While any number of tech and video game sites and forums have been writing about and linking to the WCIA polls (here's lookin' at you /v/), our analytics show absolutely no incoming traffic from anything we'd label as political, let alone conservative.

So it looks like EA was talking out of their asses about the whole LGBT thing. So they were just using it as a shield against any criticism.

Aiddon:

You cannot compare an entertainment publisher annoying people through some DRM and DLC to a bank that has a history of legitimately screwing people over, which goes up to THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. Games, at the end of the day, are just a luxury, a commodity. Banking services are HIGH on the list of necessities and a HOUSE is a bloody necessity right up there with food and water. Sorry, but this scorn against EA against far, FAR worse companies is silly.

Well, let's look at this in another way.
Do you think Bank of America cares at all about an online competition to win a poo trophy?
Do you think they'll care at all? Or respond at all?
Now look at EA. The competition isn't even over and they've already responded. And the fact that they HAVE responded makes it all the sweeter.

Clearly they feel as if they cannot do wrong. And it is the consumers who are at fault for the list. If they want to do better, prove it and stop treating customers like criminals. That said, I am totally aware that nobody of import to this will actually read any of these posts. Which is their loss, in the end.

erttheking:

You know, I really wish you wouldn't refer to people with very legitimate complaints as "bitching" it's very rude and, when you think about it, more than a little hypocritical.

Anyone can point to all the horrible things EA has done, but some people have to try to defend their favorite brands by belittling the opinion of others when they have nothing else to work with.

"Some claim there's no room for Origin as a competitor to Steam. 45 million registered users are proving that wrong."

Oh yeah? How many of those registered users have it because they HAD TO HAVE IT. I bet Mass Effect 3 alone is responsible for quite a sizable portion of that. Cause I sure as hell would have bought it on Steam of I had the option, even if it was somehow more expensive.

"Many continue to claim the Always-On function in SimCity is a DRM scheme. It's not. People still want to argue about it. We can't be any clearer - it's not. Period."

I chose not to buy the new Sim City game, but since it's been proven it CAN function offline, if it isn't some half assed DRM attempt, why initially lie that it can't - and make no option for single player or offline play?

What a flimsy defense

/yawn

Aiddon:

erttheking:

Aiddon:
if you have voted that EA is worse than the Bank of America despite being up to date on current events, I'm gonna say this right now: YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON. And if you're just ignorant of the BoA's actions, then get yourself familiar.

I have to say I'm going to be voting for EA in the final round and I would appreciate it if you didn't insult me for it.

You cannot compare an entertainment publisher annoying people through some DRM and DLC to a bank that has a history of legitimately screwing people over, which goes up to THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. Games, at the end of the day, are just a luxury, a commodity. Banking services are HIGH on the list of necessities and a HOUSE is a bloody necessity right up there with food and water. Sorry, but this scorn against EA against far, FAR worse companies is silly.

Really I have to quote Dexter on this one. If you don't like BP, you can buy gas from someone else. If you don't like Bank of America, you can go to another bank (I go to Eastern Bank). If you want to buy Mass Effect 3 without supporting EA, you can't buy it somewhere else legally. You see, I have a hard time hating Bank of America because they didn't do anything to me, where as EA is getting into three messes per month. So I hate them more because they're actually doing stuff to me. If you have any unanswered question, look at Dexter's post. He says it all.

So please, don't insult me.

Xdeser2:

NO EA! You do not get to Spin the story and take the Moral high ground on this shit! Dont try to fool people by lumping these intolerant assholes with the people actually making legitimate complaints against your practices. You dont get to try to make yourself look progressive like that.

(As you can tell, Im a bit passionate about this lol)

Still though, I'm glad Grey posted this without much opinion on it all, leave it a bit ambiguous lol

You've been quoted here: http://consumerist.com/2013/04/05/ea-admits-it-can-do-better-but-blames-worst-company-success-on-homophobes-and-whiny-madden-fans/

It's a pretty good rebuttal piece. :P

Gotta love some of that bite:

And in an EA.com blog post, Chief Operating Officer Peter Moore does admit to mistakes and promise to "do better." But, for reasons we can't even begin to fathom, he didn't stop there.

[...]

"This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history," writes Moore. He's obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn't even in the bracket last year. In response to Moore's statement, we'd like to take a moment to explain that our "Worst Company in America" contest exists within the context of this website, which is about consumers and their relationship to the marketplace and to businesses. Just to be clear: The point of this contest, now in its 8th year, is to enable consumers to send a message to a company that provides goods or services to them. Winning this contest means your customers are trying to tell you something. And that something is that you, out of all the companies, most deserve a plastic poop trophy.

[...]

Here's our question to Peter Moore: If your entire industry is engaged in the production of something so trivial as to not warrant inclusion in a contest that features a poop trophy, why do you even work in it?

marurder:
If they want to do better, prove it and stop treating customers like criminals.

Or at least stop trying to justify reviled business practices.

If you do something that people don't like and you're cool with that, that's one thing. To continue to do things that people actively hate and be all "why are you guys hating on me?" That's another. And it's just screwed up.

Captcha: Jack be nimble.

And Jack Flash sat on a candlestick cause fire is EA's only friend.

I think there is a divide EA isn't seeing between oil, banking and games.
People expect banks to fuck them over, they expect to be gouged at the pump by heartless suits who ruin the environment... games are their recreation. For many people, they're how we relax, and how we escape. We expect playing games to be easy and pleasurable. We expect the companies that make them to be fun and personable. When you're not, you get flak for it.

To have games subject to more and more control, more in the way DRM, more in your face marketing, more "buy our shit in game" style DLC and microstransactions the less easy it is for us to forget about the world we're trying to forget about.

Ed130:
"Some claim there's no room for Origin as a competitor to Steam. 45 million registered users are proving that wrong."

As one of those 45 million registered consumers who were unwillingly transferred from the EA Downloader to your crappy Steam wannabe, I will NOT put that POS that you call a service on my PC.

Oh I missed that juicy bit.
*I* have an Origin account. Not one that I created, but one that EA created for me because I was gifted Mass Effect 2 via Steam before Origin's launch.

And I have no doubt that they're padding those numbers with people like me, who have "accounts" but who have no intention of using them; including the accounts derived from previous Steam sales!

The irony is thick as lumpy pudding.

erttheking:

Aiddon:

erttheking:

I have to say I'm going to be voting for EA in the final round and I would appreciate it if you didn't insult me for it.

You cannot compare an entertainment publisher annoying people through some DRM and DLC to a bank that has a history of legitimately screwing people over, which goes up to THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. Games, at the end of the day, are just a luxury, a commodity. Banking services are HIGH on the list of necessities and a HOUSE is a bloody necessity right up there with food and water. Sorry, but this scorn against EA against far, FAR worse companies is silly.

Really I have to quote Dexter on this one. If you don't like BP, you can buy gas from someone else. If you don't like Bank of America, you can go to another bank (I go to Eastern Bank). If you want to buy Mass Effect 3 without supporting EA, you can't buy it somewhere else legally. You see, I have a hard time hating Bank of America because they didn't do anything to me, where as EA is getting into three messes per month. So I hate them more because they're actually doing stuff to me. If you have any unanswered question, look at Dexter's post. He says it all.

So please, don't insult me.

Or as someone says, don't buy SimCity and ME3 if you hate Origin so much. But if you are "forced" to buy a game shows your lack of commitment against EA. Anyone remember the MW boycotts and how much good they did?

gyrobot:

erttheking:

Aiddon:

You cannot compare an entertainment publisher annoying people through some DRM and DLC to a bank that has a history of legitimately screwing people over, which goes up to THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. Games, at the end of the day, are just a luxury, a commodity. Banking services are HIGH on the list of necessities and a HOUSE is a bloody necessity right up there with food and water. Sorry, but this scorn against EA against far, FAR worse companies is silly.

Really I have to quote Dexter on this one. If you don't like BP, you can buy gas from someone else. If you don't like Bank of America, you can go to another bank (I go to Eastern Bank). If you want to buy Mass Effect 3 without supporting EA, you can't buy it somewhere else legally. You see, I have a hard time hating Bank of America because they didn't do anything to me, where as EA is getting into three messes per month. So I hate them more because they're actually doing stuff to me. If you have any unanswered question, look at Dexter's post. He says it all.

So please, don't insult me.

Or as someone says, don't buy SimCity and ME3 if you hate Origin so much. But if you are "forced" to buy a game shows your lack of commitment against EA. Anyone remember the MW boycotts and how much good they did?

Don't see what that has to do with anything. Haven't bought a single game from EA in the last year.

Oh boy, the consumerist just released an article completely destroying peter moore and EA.

This keeps getting better and better.

Dexter111:

Xdeser2:

NO EA! You do not get to Spin the story and take the Moral high ground on this shit! Dont try to fool people by lumping these intolerant assholes with the people actually making legitimate complaints against your practices. You dont get to try to make yourself look progressive like that.

(As you can tell, Im a bit passionate about this lol)

Still though, I'm glad Grey posted this without much opinion on it all, leave it a bit ambiguous lol

You've been quoted here: http://consumerist.com/2013/04/05/ea-admits-it-can-do-better-but-blames-worst-company-success-on-homophobes-and-whiny-madden-fans/

It's a pretty good rebuttal piece. :P

Gotta love some of that bite:

And in an EA.com blog post, Chief Operating Officer Peter Moore does admit to mistakes and promise to "do better." But, for reasons we can't even begin to fathom, he didn't stop there.

[...]

"This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history," writes Moore. He's obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn't even in the bracket last year. In response to Moore's statement, we'd like to take a moment to explain that our "Worst Company in America" contest exists within the context of this website, which is about consumers and their relationship to the marketplace and to businesses. Just to be clear: The point of this contest, now in its 8th year, is to enable consumers to send a message to a company that provides goods or services to them. Winning this contest means your customers are trying to tell you something. And that something is that you, out of all the companies, most deserve a plastic poop trophy.

[...]

Here's our question to Peter Moore: If your entire industry is engaged in the production of something so trivial as to not warrant inclusion in a contest that features a poop trophy, why do you even work in it?

Holy crap, Peter Moore got utterly destroyed in that article.

Kinda made me feel bad, but only for a moment, then I laughed. Hard.

Putting it in the simplest words: Doesn't want to be worst yet doesn't try to stop being the worst.

RatherDull:

Knowing the kind of idiots that get into these situations, they don't really listen to lower sales either. They just continue to make excuses.

Yeah, they stuffed up with Sim City, but most bad rep they get seems to be people not realising that they don't actually make most of the games, they publish them. People blamed EA for Bioware's latest few games (when really the only game that Bioware made that did suffer from EA was Dragon Age 2, but even then that game is still playable and enjoyable, if a little lacking in some areas), instead of saying, "Maybe I just don't like this" a majority of people on this site say, "THIS GAME IS TERRIBLE AND THAT IS A FACT THERE IS NOTHING REDEEMING ABOUT THIS GAME IF YOU LIKE IT YOU'RE AN IDIOT". The thing that I find most interesting is people assuming the worst immediately. As someone who does not have Xbox Live nor the ability to connect my Xbox to the internet, I found that Dead Space 3 was an excellent game and at no point did I feel as though the game was made harder to encourage micro transactions, but what did some forum posters say about this? They screamed and yelled that it would destroy the integrity of the game and that the single player would be warped so as that people would be forced to make the micro transactions, WHICH WAS WRONG.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the idea that EA is the worlds WORST company. They're not saints, but lets be honest, no successful company is (not even Valve).

bug_of_war:

RatherDull:

Knowing the kind of idiots that get into these situations, they don't really listen to lower sales either. They just continue to make excuses.

Yeah, they stuffed up with Sim City, but most bad rep they get seems to be people not realising that they don't actually make most of the games, they publish them. People blamed EA for Bioware's latest few games (when really the only game that Bioware made that did suffer from EA was Dragon Age 2, but even then that game is still playable and enjoyable, if a little lacking in some areas), instead of saying, "Maybe I just don't like this" a majority of people on this site say, "THIS GAME IS TERRIBLE AND THAT IS A FACT THERE IS NOTHING REDEEMING ABOUT THIS GAME IF YOU LIKE IT YOU'RE AN IDIOT". The thing that I find most interesting is people assuming the worst immediately. As someone who does not have Xbox Live nor the ability to connect my Xbox to the internet, I found that Dead Space 3 was an excellent game and at no point did I feel as though the game was made harder to encourage micro transactions, but what did some forum posters say about this? They screamed and yelled that it would destroy the integrity of the game and that the single player would be warped so as that people would be forced to make the micro transactions, WHICH WAS WRONG.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the idea that EA is the worlds WORST company. They're not saints, but lets be honest, no successful company is (not even Valve).

While there is no direct proof, it is rather odd how a developer goes to shit almost immediately after getting acquired by EA. And how EA published products tend to be bullshit.

Is it really just a coincidence?

bug_of_war:

RatherDull:

Knowing the kind of idiots that get into these situations, they don't really listen to lower sales either. They just continue to make excuses.

Yeah, they stuffed up with Sim City, but most bad rep they get seems to be people not realising that they don't actually make most of the games, they publish them.

EA owns these companies, they are highly involved in the development of the games.

They may not be involved in any useful way, like making the shit, they are just the annoying people who get in the way, like not allowing the green lighting of any singleplayer centric games, fucking up servers, trying to blame developers for decisions made at the corporate level.

Did you not know that they install their own people in these developers or were you just ignoring that?

Dexter111:

Xdeser2:

NO EA! You do not get to Spin the story and take the Moral high ground on this shit! Dont try to fool people by lumping these intolerant assholes with the people actually making legitimate complaints against your practices. You dont get to try to make yourself look progressive like that.

(As you can tell, Im a bit passionate about this lol)

Still though, I'm glad Grey posted this without much opinion on it all, leave it a bit ambiguous lol

You've been quoted here: http://consumerist.com/2013/04/05/ea-admits-it-can-do-better-but-blames-worst-company-success-on-homophobes-and-whiny-madden-fans/

It's a pretty good rebuttal piece. :P

Gotta love some of that bite:

And in an EA.com blog post, Chief Operating Officer Peter Moore does admit to mistakes and promise to "do better." But, for reasons we can't even begin to fathom, he didn't stop there.

[...]

"This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history," writes Moore. He's obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn't even in the bracket last year. In response to Moore's statement, we'd like to take a moment to explain that our "Worst Company in America" contest exists within the context of this website, which is about consumers and their relationship to the marketplace and to businesses. Just to be clear: The point of this contest, now in its 8th year, is to enable consumers to send a message to a company that provides goods or services to them. Winning this contest means your customers are trying to tell you something. And that something is that you, out of all the companies, most deserve a plastic poop trophy.

[...]

Here's our question to Peter Moore: If your entire industry is engaged in the production of something so trivial as to not warrant inclusion in a contest that features a poop trophy, why do you even work in it?

....Damn

Didn't know I'd get quoted on that 0_o

At least they are FINALLY doing something about their PR. It might be too late but whatever.

Calling them the worst company in america may be overdoing it though. and Peter is right in saying that some of the reasons are ridiculous.

To be completely honest, I think that a lot of hate EA's receiving is misdirected. Yeah, sure, they are a terrible publisher, their business practices are bullshit and they don't exactly treat their IP right. but the Sim City flop? Ubisoft has done this with the same results. Blizzard has done this with the same results. Sure, EA didn't win any points for repeating the obvious mistakes of other companies but the amount of hate that they are receiving for that is disproportional. People hate them because it's cool to hate EA. They are a convenient target. It seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Now I'm not defending EA. They have made shitty decisions and angered a lot of people, myself included. They definitely are a bad company (not the WORST in america mind you). But people should try and exercise critical thought before they start relentlessly bashing on someone because everyone else does.

Johny_X2:
At least they are FINALLY doing something about their PR. It might be too late but whatever.

Calling them the worst company in america may be overdoing it though. and Peter is right in saying that some of the reasons are ridiculous.

To be completely honest, I think that a lot of hate EA's receiving is misdirected. Yeah, sure, they are a terrible publisher, their business practices are bullshit and they don't exactly treat their IP right. but the Sim City flop? Ubisoft has done this with the same results. Blizzard has done this with the same results. Sure, EA didn't win any points for repeating the obvious mistakes of other companies but the amount of hate that they are receiving for that is disproportional. People hate them because it's cool to hate EA. They are a convenient target. It seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Now I'm not defending EA. They have made shitty decisions and angered a lot of people, myself included. They definitely are a bad company (not the WORST in america mind you). But people should try and exercise critical thought before they start relentlessly bashing on someone because everyone else does.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I just wish you wouldn't marginalize people's legitimate complaints by saying that they are just complaining because it is popular.

I've seen very few responses that have been hating on EA for the sake of it. Most of people's anger is expressed through one of the MANY time EA has fucked up. I mean if you keep pissing on your consumers eventually everyone will have the same opinion of you.

GAunderrated:

Johny_X2:
At least they are FINALLY doing something about their PR. It might be too late but whatever.

Calling them the worst company in america may be overdoing it though. and Peter is right in saying that some of the reasons are ridiculous.

To be completely honest, I think that a lot of hate EA's receiving is misdirected. Yeah, sure, they are a terrible publisher, their business practices are bullshit and they don't exactly treat their IP right. but the Sim City flop? Ubisoft has done this with the same results. Blizzard has done this with the same results. Sure, EA didn't win any points for repeating the obvious mistakes of other companies but the amount of hate that they are receiving for that is disproportional. People hate them because it's cool to hate EA. They are a convenient target. It seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Now I'm not defending EA. They have made shitty decisions and angered a lot of people, myself included. They definitely are a bad company (not the WORST in america mind you). But people should try and exercise critical thought before they start relentlessly bashing on someone because everyone else does.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I just wish you wouldn't marginalize people's legitimate complaints by saying that they are just complaining because it is popular.

I've seen very few responses that have been hating on EA for the sake of it. Most of people's anger is expressed through one of the MANY time EA has fucked up. I mean if you keep pissing on your consumers eventually everyone will have the same opinion of you.

that's true and I'm definitely not trying to defend EA. I'm just saying the hate is kind of getting out of hand. There are legitimate complaints to be made and they have been fucking up constantly for the last few years but if you look at the popular opinion, you get people saying that EA should go bankrupt and that it's a lot better than EA improving their business practices. Why? Beats me. Apparently, it's because 'we hate EA and want it to die'. Now you've got to admit that's a bit extreme. And that's just one example.

I'm not saying that complaints made against EA are not legitimate. They definitely are. It's just that some people are overdoing it with the hate. And quite a few only hate it because other people do, without even knowing the reason.

Johny_X2:

GAunderrated:

Johny_X2:
At least they are FINALLY doing something about their PR. It might be too late but whatever.

Calling them the worst company in america may be overdoing it though. and Peter is right in saying that some of the reasons are ridiculous.

To be completely honest, I think that a lot of hate EA's receiving is misdirected. Yeah, sure, they are a terrible publisher, their business practices are bullshit and they don't exactly treat their IP right. but the Sim City flop? Ubisoft has done this with the same results. Blizzard has done this with the same results. Sure, EA didn't win any points for repeating the obvious mistakes of other companies but the amount of hate that they are receiving for that is disproportional. People hate them because it's cool to hate EA. They are a convenient target. It seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Now I'm not defending EA. They have made shitty decisions and angered a lot of people, myself included. They definitely are a bad company (not the WORST in america mind you). But people should try and exercise critical thought before they start relentlessly bashing on someone because everyone else does.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I just wish you wouldn't marginalize people's legitimate complaints by saying that they are just complaining because it is popular.

I've seen very few responses that have been hating on EA for the sake of it. Most of people's anger is expressed through one of the MANY time EA has fucked up. I mean if you keep pissing on your consumers eventually everyone will have the same opinion of you.

that's true and I'm definitely not trying to defend EA. I'm just saying the hate is kind of getting out of hand. There are legitimate complaints to be made and they have been fucking up constantly for the last few years but if you look at the popular opinion, you get people saying that EA should go bankrupt and that it's a lot better than EA improving their business practices. Why? Beats me. Apparently, it's because 'we hate EA and want it to die'. Now you've got to admit that's a bit extreme. And that's just one example.

I'm not saying that complaints made against EA are not legitimate. They definitely are. It's just that some people are overdoing it with the hate. And quite a few only hate it because other people do, without even knowing the reason.

I'm really trying to not sound like a dick about it so I hope I don't come off this way. However, the part I highlighted is what I mean about marginalizing people legitimate complaints.

I have seen VERY FEW people say that they hate EA and want it to die. Sure there are always a few extremist about but to portray a faction as the overall consensus is a fallacy. Most people I see are saying they hate EA for X reason and want them to stop X reason so they can play the game's they enjoy without all the anti-consumer practices.

Heck I myself would love to play Simcity without the always online DRM, I would have loved D3 without the always online DRM and auction house BS that I still can't forgive blizzard for, and I would have LOVED to finish the ME trilogy except I didn't want to support EA's anti-consumer practices during that debacle.

I personally am just tired of publishers getting in the way between me and my game. I give them x amount of money for y product so they can get paid and I enjoy my game. I don't need all this added bullshit getting in between my enjoyment.

Sorry I went on a tangent there.

If the voting for this is anything like it was year then it isnt voting for the worst company in America, because everyone outside the US can vote as well. Most people outside the US have never even heard of some of the other companies or at least wont be affected by them, so they are going to skew the vote by choosing the one they do know - EA.

What a cute "justification" for all their bullshit.

Not really surprising. Not many people take responsibility for their own failures these days, much less corporations. Anyway, moving on. No amount of fake apologies will convince me to give EA a drop of my money again.

Well I don't live in America but it does seem a bit backwards to vote for a gaming company when there are far worse companies that effect the economy directly as well as people's lives. Don't get me wrong, EA can crash and burn for all I care and hope they do. But You could have another poll exclusively for entertainment business so people won't feel like douchebags while berating EA.

What I am saying is Evil doesn't even deserve equal opportunity even when it is for berating

GAunderrated:
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm really not trying to defend EA, nor am I trying to, as you put it, marginalise the legitimate complaints because as I said, the legitimate complaints and reasons for hating EA are definitely there and there are quite a few of them. And I imagine that most people (well most people with above-average intelligence at least) would have a very concrete reason for not liking EA. Just like you do. And just like I do.

I've seen quite a few examples of the "I want EA to go bankrupt" attitude though, even here on the escapist. There are entire threads dedicated to the idea. That's where I'm coming from. There are always people who will take the hate one step too far and unfortunately, they often have the advantage of numbers over the sensible ones like you and I.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I agree with you on almost all points, I feel that the amount of hate EA gets in general is a lot more than it should be getting. EA is not the devil. They are a shitty company and there are waves of criticism to be made on their account, but what I'm trying to do here is to urge people to keep the criticism reasonable and informed and not go overboard with the hate.

I have to wonder is this poll less about "worst company in America" and more about "most stupid people on the internet" because anyone voting for EA should really rethink how they form opinions.

Dexter111:
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You sir, I salute thee. Bloody good analysis.

I like that he says "people think free-to-play is a pox on gaming - tens of millions people are playing, though!"

Because that really disarms the "pox" analogy.

If you don't want to be considered the worst company in America, EA, you shouldn't ACT like the worst company in America. No, there are companies that do worse things to people, sure. And though there usually are other alternates to those companies and this is the age of information, they still manage to do it often. But I have yet to see any company ever that looks at the worst, most objected to business practices and uses them with far more frequency than the people who started them in the first place. I have yet to hear a company try to constantly and consistently defend practices that virtually everyone agrees are bad. I've never see a company continue to lie and lie and lie long after they've been proven wrong, and then have the arrogance to try and lump in all their detractors with bigots and whiners, hiding behind age old stereotypes and a marginalized community that still faces bigotry to try and garner sympathy. That's last part is slimy on a level that's hard to describe. They somehow have the balls to badmouth their own customers, a large portion of their potential audience, to say they were right on every issue that mattered and to slap the consumer in the face with lies and trivializations of their opinions and then try to make us feel sorry for them or like they're the good guys.

Now, someone above me said that hating EA and wanting it to die is extreme. I would say that it's the only position any sane, rational person can hold. If you have any empathy at all for the people who get screwed out of their hard earned money, who relish every new opportunity to inconvenience the consumer and affect the industry by doing so, who ruin franchises and development teams, who constantly make things worse for just about everyone involved with them in any way constantly for years, and then defend every big issue of the day while blaming the amount of hate they get on homophobes, you aren't going to say, "Man, this hate is out of hand. I mean sure, there's the ruining the days/weeks/jobs/industry for everyone who crosses their path for about two years now thing, and sure they try and brush off their criticisms by hiding behind gay people and saying, 'IT'S THE HOMOPHOBES!' but I sure want them to shape up so I can feel better about giving them my money. I wouldn't want to be so extreme as to say that I want them to go out of business.'

That isn't how it works. You don't just forgive them for years of almost cartoonish wrongdoing because they begin to do even part of what they should have been doing all along. They have to atone for the horrible things that they've done to people constantly and consistently for years. They've stepped on anyone they could and then changed their business models so that they could step on more people. They're the revolutionaries who said, "Exploiting all of these people just isn't enough. We have to raise the bar! Let's look at what the other companies are doing that no one else likes, and then do all of that constantly." These aren't people I want to give my money. They do not deserve my money. Even if they stopped doing things like this, they would not deserve my money. Because I believe in justice, and justice isn't EA saying that they're really sorry and riding off into the sunset with saddlebags filled with all the money they've sucked out of people.

EDIT: I went back and checked out some links early on in the thread. Specifically, the one about how EA ran their employees into the ground by flat out lying to them about having a mild crunch early to avoid another one later, piling on tons of hours to make work weeks 85 hours and not affording employees any overtime or any other compensation at all, and...just read it. Just...go back and read it. EA at this point disgusts me and there is no longer any defense that I will accept for why they should even be legally allowed to exist.

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