California Senator Wants Fewer Guns in Games

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FEichinger:
Dear, America ...

your obsession with guns has caused this. You allow children to touch real guns, teach them how to shoot them and glorify it with your insane defense of the 2nd Ammendment.

Fake guns are not the problem. They are a safe way to live your gun obsession, without harming anyone. This does not teach anyone how to shoot a real gun. It does not make them violent sociopaths. It does not give them access to guns. It is just fiction.

If you want to reduce gun violence, don't do it by removing a harmless alternative. Think about why people get guns to begin with. Think about what causes people to be paranoid enough to want guns to begin with. I can tell you, it's not arcade boxes and video games.

It's a state full of idiots. A state with legislators focused on personal gain. A state with a justice system that is flawed from start to finish. A state that refuses to act in favor of its population in fear of "socialism" and "oppression". It's a state full of parents who act without thinking and hand their children items they should not have at all.

I don't disagree that you have taken far too long to fix this. It may well be impossible now. But don't stomp your feet like a child and pretend there is something else that is responsible, other than your own faults.

Best Regards,
Europe.

Dear, Europe.

-_- Mom, shut up.

Yes, a lot of people here in our Gov. are messed up, corrupt, or stupid but we are not the only country that can say that.

Hell, Berlusconi got convicted (not accused, convicted) of felonies, and still ran again for prime minister (getting about 30% of the votes).

No one is perfect, no matter what even some of our own people may say *COUGH*FOX*COUGH*.
We are trying, and will keep trying to be better, like every other nation is also trying to be better.

Love, U.S.A.

P.S. We will see you later for tea. We are bringing


and some may also be bringing beer.

*person shoots bunch of people with a gun*

"Get the pretend pixel guns out of video games, but don't do anything about the real gun because that's un-Amuricahn!"

canadamus_prime:
But we don't want fewer real guns in the hands of people now do we?

That's a pretty unfair statement. Feinstein is also one of the Senate's staunchest gun-restriction advocates. Now, if say... a Republican would be trying to restrict guns in video games, then that would indeed be hypocritical.

Broken Blade:
What an idiot. And she's MY f*cking senator. Why do people keep voting for her?

Because apparently you failed to vote in the primaries.

CriticalMiss:
'Out of touch old woman angry at vid-yo-gayums' would make a better headline. How do these people get voted in to power?

Believe it or not, there are more pressing issues in a society than video games. If I saw a candidate who embodies everything I believe, except on the issue of video games, I would still vote for that person, because hell: when else are you going to find someone who embodies everything you believe?
And on the matter of Feinstein, I'm not saying I agree with everything she stand for, but she is none-the-less an impressive woman, who has done much for women's rights, immigration and gay rights. Would I vote for her in the primaries? No, probably not. But she'd still win, because she's so popular with the voters.
So I would still end up voting for her in the senate race. Because, after all, a Democrat is still always better than a Republican. And I would much rather have a Democratic senator who battles against real guns, than a Republican senator who leaves digital guns alone.

Any time soon death, you can start doing your job, please?
It's starting to get annoying that people keep attacking videogames and insulting something I'm passionate about. Because the moment I get violent suddenly I'm speaking for everyone that plays games, and it's obvious that games made me violent. But if you were to say, get violent because some one started insulting guns, it would be wrong, but they wouldn't pin the blame on guns but the person. Well exception of few states. I don't see Oregon being the type of state to be anti-videogames.
**waves Oregon flag left and right**
Go Oregon

Zhukov:
*person shoots bunch of people with a gun*

"Get the pretend pixel guns out of video games, but don't do anything about the real gun because that's un-Amuricahn!"

Feinstein is against real guns as well. Also, don't be sarcastic. I know it's lowest form of something... Oh, and stand up straight!

Zhukov:
*person shoots bunch of people with a gun*

"Get the pretend pixel guns out of video games, but don't do anything about the real gun because that's un-Amuricahn!"

The only thing that stops a bad guy with an imaginary gun is a good guy with an imaginary gun. Oh, if only a teacher at that school had been carrying a BFG 9000.

...seriously, Dianne, just because you've had a long day at work and the games industry is easier to push around than the NRA doesn't make it a good idea. Go put on your big girl pants and deal with the real guns, please.

I swear to god, every time a politician talks about games, the statement is stupider and stupider.

Californian Senator can go fuck herself.

DVS BSTrD:

FEichinger:

RatherDull:
I don't think it is the gun obsession at all.

I'm not in favor of the "Govment dun take our guns hurr durr" bit everyone in my state is spewing, but the reason these shootings keep happening is far more complex than anyone seems to realize.

If I had to point at one thing and say 'That is the reason," personally put the focus on mental health and depression. After all, there is a proven link between depression and shootings.

But state of mental health in the eyes of the public is in such a poor state. People just ignore it or assume it doesn't exist and that it's all made up. But depression is a real thing and it is not the victim's fault.

Oh I fully agree. In fact, I don't think there's a specific one reason at all for people to consider actively shooting people.

But the situation throughout the US in general is definitely what makes it easily possible to actually happen. That's where I was going with that. :)

Because the Right goes out of it's way to prevent the government from enforcing the few gun laws we actually have. And of course banning assault rifles is just a slippery slope to tyrants disarming the populace. Seriously, Fuck the Second Amendment.

......and the left keeps getting in the way of actually doing anything other then just more gun laws, like say a COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE MENTAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM!
OT:
in all fairness we dont need more gunlaws, we need the ones we have to be enforced. I live in Wyoming which is a pretty sparcly populated state yet we have more guns in our homes then pretty much anywere, yet we have very little gun crime. Why you may ask? I beleave its because the people out here not only enforce the gunlaws on the books but go the extra mile and teach their kids(when they're ready) how to use their guns safly in either defence or for hunting.

All that said i beleave if they did put anything new in gun control it would be better to require classes and a full phyc evaluation before you may percuse a handgun or assault rifle as these weapons are made for the sole perpose of killing other human beings and as such sould not be avalible to just anyone.

edit: anyone else notice that the vast majority of the people who try to pass these things are
A. from california
and
B. demicrats

or is it just me?

Why not ask the gun manufactures and industry to self regulate themselves? Why don't all the manufactures require shops to do background checks all the time and not skip them at gun shows? Oh wait that is right they make money selling guns, so they more guns they sell the better as far as they are concerned. I find it amazing everyone expects the games industry to 'self regulate' and if they don't well they are evil. Yet every other industry out there actively fights any sort of regulation yet they aren't at all corruptors of the innocent and eaters of babies.

ecoho:

DVS BSTrD:

FEichinger:

Oh I fully agree. In fact, I don't think there's a specific one reason at all for people to consider actively shooting people.

But the situation throughout the US in general is definitely what makes it easily possible to actually happen. That's where I was going with that. :)

Because the Right goes out of it's way to prevent the government from enforcing the few gun laws we actually have. And of course banning assault rifles is just a slippery slope to tyrants disarming the populace. Seriously, Fuck the Second Amendment.

......and the left keeps getting in the way of actually doing anything other then just more gun laws, like say a COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE MENTAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM!

OT:in all fairness we dont need more gunlaws, we need the ones we have to be enforced. I live in Wyoming which is a pretty sparcly populated state yet we have more guns in our homes then pretty much anywere, yet we have very little gun crime. Why you may ask? I beleave its because the people out here not only enforce the gunlaws on the books but go the extra mile and teach their kids(when they're ready) how to use their guns safly in either defence or for hunting.

All that said i beleave if they did put anything new in gun control it would be better to require classes and a full phyc evaluation before you may percuse a handgun or assault rifle as these weapons are made for the sole perpose of killing other human beings and as such sould not be avalible to just anyone.

edit: anyone else notice that the vast majority of the people who try to pass these things are
A. from california
and
B. democrats

or is it just me?

Because Democrats are the ones who believe in exercising the Government's authority to save American lives, instead of just killing foreigners. Republicans mask their lack of humanity by claiming that having the government actually help people promotes dependency and corrodes the "maverick" American spirit. And they'd never agree to fix the healthcare system, just gut it to the point where the only thing the government will subsidize are their gay conversion camps.

Don't retreat, reload!

frobalt:
If this doesn't prove just how backwards American politics is, nothing can.

A country should NOT be run by corporations. Biggest reason gun control is so hard to do is because gun manufacturers are leaning so hard on senators.

Yes, the corporations. Certainly not the over 30% of the adult population that owns guns. No, not the voting public. It's the corporations.

So do I, but from a creative standpoint so that we get original ideas; not because the government says so.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

....

Crossbows for everybody! Problem solved... right?

And I want fewer senators in the world. Guess we all can't get what we want.

Really though, getting fewer guns in the real world should be a higher priority.

synobal:
Why not ask the gun manufactures and industry to self regulate themselves? Why don't all the manufactures require shops to do background checks all the time and not skip them at gun shows? Oh wait that is right they make money selling guns, so they more guns they sell the better as far as they are concerned. I find it amazing everyone expects the games industry to 'self regulate' and if they don't well they are evil. Yet every other industry out there actively fights any sort of regulation yet they aren't at all corruptors of the innocent and eaters of babies.

Ah, the stench of ingnorance spread by the media. Any guns sold by a business, at a gun show or no, go through the NICS database. It is only private party sales that are not mandated to do so. Moreover, the 40% lie continually spouted over the course of the current debate over guns by that lying ratfucking son of a bitch currently in the whitehouse comes from a study using data from before NICS was even implemented back in 1994. The actual number is probably less than 5%. Although it's unknown because nobody's actually tried to figure it out since NICS was implemented

ravenshrike:

frobalt:
If this doesn't prove just how backwards American politics is, nothing can.

A country should NOT be run by corporations. Biggest reason gun control is so hard to do is because gun manufacturers are leaning so hard on senators.

Yes, the corporations. Certainly not the over 30% of the adult population that owns guns. No, no the voting public. It's the corporations.

You should probably look into how your political system is run. The majority doesn't matter. It's about who has the most money. The Koch brothers, gun manufacturers and various other corporations pay your politicians who then block opposing legislation.

If you don't feel like watching this then at least read the description. There's no first world country with a political system as corrupt as the USA's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTm8qaaGDI

This just in: Canadian student wants fewer idiot senator in neighboring country.

It might not affect me directly (thought it might indirectly, if industry standards are forced to change), but nobody should have to deal with such ridiculousness. Perhaps examination of the extreme availability of firearms might be a better use of time and taxpayer money?

This woman shouldn't have a job. She really isn't even qualified to work at Walgreen's. Games are constitutionally protected free speech. It's been upheld again and again. If she follows through with this, she's just blowing $50,000 of her own state's money in legal fees when it is struck down. It's a level of idiocy that's borderline criminal. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd suggest that the ESA is in bed with these senators and all of these laws are a scam to line their pockets. But that would just be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

nathan-dts:

ravenshrike:

frobalt:
If this doesn't prove just how backwards American politics is, nothing can.

A country should NOT be run by corporations. Biggest reason gun control is so hard to do is because gun manufacturers are leaning so hard on senators.

Yes, the corporations. Certainly not the over 30% of the adult population that owns guns. No, no the voting public. It's the corporations.

You should probably look into how your political system is run. The majority doesn't matter. It's about who has the most money. The Koch brothers, gun manufacturers and various other corporations pay your politicians who then block opposing legislation.

If you don't feel like watching this then at least read the description. There's no first world country with a political system as corrupt as the USA's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTm8qaaGDI

*sigh* While that is true for the majority of legislation, that is NOT true for certain primary voting issues. Of which, guns are one of the biggest that affects both sides of the political aisle and as such the politicos outside of safe areas like Kalifornia and Taxachusetts have learned not to touch.

What is it with the enormous boner american politicians seem to have about passing censorship laws?

When even the bare minimum of gun control measures didn't even get so far as a vote, even though President Obama promised there'd be a vote, I highly doubt this will pass. The hypocrisy alone would call for an army to be rallied and bitchslap the politicians back in their rightful place.

only after they have less guns in movies, but that wont happen.

Anyway games are nothing but the new scape goat, 1st was books then the television. Its a never ending game of blaming the new medium.

Fucking tyrant.

Doesn't she know that the Second Amendment was put in place SPECIFICALLY so that, in the case of a virtual government takeover, video game character would have a way to fight the oppression?

As one of the founding fathers probably didn't say, "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until someone attempts to remove it from electronic worlds"

Besides, there is no link between video game guns and video game violence. You think a Koopa Trooper needs a gun to fuck someone up? Think again Libtards. Plus, there are FAR more car related video game deaths than gun related video game deaths per year anyway. I mean, have you SEEN Niko Bellic driving around? But they're not suggesting we regulate virtual cars, now are they?!

And then there's the issue of what they define as "Guns". Is the Fire Flower considered a weapon? Are they going to start regulating our fucking FLOWERS now???

These stupid liberals in video games think everything is all happy and quite with no violence like the goddamn Sims or something. It's obvious none of these privileged middle-class bastards have spent time on the mean streets of New Mombasa, being attacked by those weird fucking foreigners.

You know who else wanted wanted to regulate digital guns? DIGITAL HITLER. That's right. The giant robot dual minigun Adolf tried to take away all of Doom Guy's weapons with regulation JUST LIKE THIS. Where would he be now? ROTTING IN NAZI VIDEO GAME GUANTANAMO THAT'S WHERE.

She is an obsessive creep, and she looks like a creep.

I am willing to be reasonable with my stance on the 2nd Amendment, freedom of expression, the arts, etc. But this woman is not, and never will be.. reasonable.

If the government and US Media wants to stop its fetish on divisive issues and REAL WAR, then I will *consider* stupid idiotic measures like this. (Actually never.) Honestly, wtf.

As long as she doesn't take away my swords, dildo bats and bows, I'm pretty content. Who needs guns when you have the power of fists or magical swords?

canadamus_prime:
But we don't want fewer real guns in the hands of people now do we?

My first thought.

"Guys! If we restrict guns in video games, that'd stop all those gangsters that don't play video games from shooting each other. Brilliant idea, right!?"

I swear, US...your country is in the hands of fucking idiots.

Capitano Segnaposto:

I don't know. I have some ideas though. One of the largest reasons I believe is that of the voters themselves. We have constant people who vote without any real reason or thought. They don't look into the issues and vote primarily on biases. Hell, my parents are perfect examples of this. They refuse to vote for anyone who is independent or democratic just for the single reason of them not being republican. It doesn't matter if the Republican's views go against theirs and the other parties are more in line of what they wish to accomplish, they ignore it completely just because they aren't in the same party as them.

We then have the ones who are intelligent and actually do pay attention, but don't vote for various reasons. Whether or not that it is because they are too young (surprising, I know. However I have met plenty of brilliant young teens who know what the hell is going on and how to attempt to fix our nation, but can't vote because they are not 18 years old).

There is also the group of people who just don't get it. They were raised to believe in what their parents believed. They don't open their eyes or minds and actually think (much in line with the first group I mentioned). They were born and raised to believe that hard work is all that matters or one's who are just simply not that intelligent and put the blame on the thing they have never tried to understand. Years ago, it was violent slasher flicks and movies in general. This is especially prevalent in parents of this age. They refuse to blame themselves for their children's or other children's failings and instead blame the thing the first thing they see that is most prevalent in their lives, this being video games. The last group also contains those who were born long before video games became a thing that existed. These old men and women just don't see the use of it, don't see the artistic qualities or fun that can come from it. They are close-minded to only the things they were taught and grew up with.

Those are the main reasons why I believe morons get voted into office.

You nailed it.

This is standard, looks like.

I see it happen in all those flavors up here in Canada. That's why on the provincial level, we have a radically pro-french government that is trying to ban the word Pasta, and who has members saying "if you can't buy a subway ticket purely in french, well, you can always WALK", and that keeps doing this kind of thing in Montreal, a VERY much bilingual city, with a large english population.

And again on the federal level, where we have a party that is blatantly going against pretty much everything Canadians hold dear. I could go more into detail, but I won't, as it'll derail this topic even further.

But yes, all this to say that the problem with a democracy is the average voter.

Now personally, I don't mind if guns in video games were held back a little, but the extent that this senator is going to is ridiculous. Besides, you'd think her priorities would be REAL gun control first.

WOOO HOOO ECONOMICS/MEDIEVAL WARFARE/ALIEN RAMPAGE SIMULATORS.

There should be fewer guns in games, but it should not be mandated by federal law.

FEichinger:
Dear, America ...

your obsession with guns has caused this.

No it didn't.

FEichinger:
Fake guns are not the problem.

Neither are real ones.

FEichinger:
It's a state full of idiots.

Here is your problem. Like most problems in the world, it is not caused by the tool, but by the idiot not wielding it properly.

Next this hag can go about how those hippies with their devil music is ruining innocent american dream.

PoolCleaningRobot:

Well thanks for that because obviously all Americans share that opinion on guns. You would obviously know seeking as you live in Europe. Most people I know think the way we regulate guns is bullshit but in some places like the south guns are a big part of their culture. Its pretty big country Mr "Europe"

It's Ms Europe, not Mr ;)

P.S. Also- I want more blowjobs in my life. But you can't always get what you want :(

You know governor, some of us are actually wish that so many games would not resort to violence without consequence or be shown in such a positive light. You'd be better off getting support of fighting against this mentality by creating public concern rather than imposing gun restrictions on video games. Asking developers to use mechanics other than violence (which is the easiest go-to at the moment), or ask for violence that has serious repercussions would probably be a more logical way to get them to think about what they're doing.

I would like to suggest that take legal action to regulate the number of stupid things our legislators are allowed to say if they aren't willing to regulate themselves. After all, they are in the position to do MUCH more damage than any 100 loonies with firearms.

frobalt:
If this doesn't prove just how backwards American politics is, nothing can.

A country should NOT be run by corporations. Biggest reason gun control is so hard to do is because gun manufacturers are leaning so hard on senators. So much that they think they can use video games as scapegoats. Capitalism FTW(!)

The biggest reason gun control is so hard to pass is because over 80+ million people own firearms in this country. There are over 250 million firearms in civilian hands in this country today. Gun control is hard to pass because a lot of those people vote and lobby against gun control. I'm sure the manufacturers work against it as well, but as we can see in Colorado, it doesn't work too well. Even Magpul threatening to leave the state, and take all of their tax dollars with them, didn't prevent new gun legislation there.

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