California Senator Wants Fewer Guns in Games

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As usual this makes America look bad again, the uneducated Europeans that think all Americans are obsessed our wrong. Let me stress that I am English, but I understand living in a country where your only choices are Fucking retarded left, ass backwards middle and fuckwit right its no wonder that they say this when that's your choices to put in power.

I'm disappointed whenever I see articles like this show up on a video game news site. At least this time they had the integrity to mention these politicians have no power to overrule the Supreme Court. However, given that the article could still be aptly titled "Old Madman Whines" I don't see a strong argument for considering these events news-worthy. If we are just going to indulge in fear-mongering, why do we even need politicians?

On a different note, it's funny how video games incite violence in just one country while all other countries enjoying the shit out of violent video games are dandy. This is clearly racism.

endplanets:
This is some seriously depressing stuff. The government is dead in the water on background checks, but fake guns, gotta stop that shit right now.

In America we have low video game regulations and have lots of violence.
In Australia/Germany they have harsh VG regulations and low violence.
In Japan/Sweden/UK/etc they have low VG regulations and have even lower violence.

Other that hate-speech like games, VG regulation has no effect on the levels of violence in a country.

Kind of agree with most of that, but doesn't the UK actually have one of the highest violent crime rates in the world? Bigger than the US? Fairly sure the rest is correct though.
As for the OP, oh dear God not this again. I'm all for having less violence/shooting in games as a welcome break in video games, but because it actually trains people to kill? Hah, gods no. When are politicians going to stop faffing about and actually try to do something actually relevant to the situation. I worry when our officials can't even research something as simple as video games? It's not like they're hidden after all, or that no studies have been done examining the relationship between crime and video games.

TrulyBritish:
Kind of agree with most of that, but doesn't the UK actually have one of the highest violent crime rates in the world? Bigger than the US? Fairly sure the rest is correct though.

Not quite one of the highest in the world. It's a slightly higher rate than the US.

OT: Crackpots in politics, what's new?

Mycroft Holmes:

Hagi:

[quote="Hagi" post="7.405196.16820512"]As for your comedians, that's what all comedians everywhere do. They make fun of things, first and foremost the society around them. It's nothing unique to Americans.

Who said it was? The US just has way more of them, and they are by and large way more world famous than most other comedians. The Daily Show is very well known in Iran for example. No other countries have that kind of wide spread popularity for their comedians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stand-up_comedians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_stand-up_comedians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_stand-up_comedians

The US and UK are so big they have their own lists. And the US is easily twice as large as the UK list. We pretty easily poke fun at ourselves more than any other country in the world does. And yet you say we don't make fun of ourselves enough. Clearly the rest of you are the ones who take yourselves too seriously.

Just a small note.

The US has 300 million people, while UK's population is only 63 million. It would be expected for a larger population to have more people of any given occupation.

You need to search for "comedians per capita",what of a percent of the population are stand up comedians.

FloodOne:
Hey California, how about you focus on fixing your busted economy instead of wasting money pursuing legislation that will be over turned?

They're doing both. Videogames are one of Hollywood's biggest competitors. Kill games, and hollywood goes back to its old monopoly on that sort of entertainment. The fact that that never works doesn't stop old industries from trying it every time a new industry comes to town that threatens their bottom line.

Kmadden2004:
Come on, guys, we all know that playing CoD makes us all experts with every single firearm out there.

Just like Red Dead Redemption taught me how to ride a horse, Gran Turismo 5 taught me how to drive a race car and Super Mario taught me how to eat mushrooms.

I mean, it's not like we can learn all these skills anywhere else other than video games, right?

Captha: no regrets

Damn right.

I like to combine all three of those activities. Tripping balls on horseback while driving a car...

...the horse is in the car, in case any of you lack imagination.

Smeatza:

TrulyBritish:
Kind of agree with most of that, but doesn't the UK actually have one of the highest violent crime rates in the world? Bigger than the US? Fairly sure the rest is correct though.

Not quite one of the highest in the world. It's a slightly higher rate than the US.

OT: Crackpots in politics, what's new?

Ok, thanks for that mate. But I guess my point still stands it's not exactly a low crime rate.
I don't know, American politicians just seem nuts to me.

JSF01:

It also found that high school students that regularly play video games were 50% more likely to report plans on owning a firearm.

That's two data points with no visible scientific connection. You need more information than that to make a correlation. Otherwise you're basically just making a guess based on what you think might be true. It could just as easily be the opposite relationship or anything in between. People who want to buy guns could simply be more likely to buy videogames in the first place. Or people who want to buy guys and who want to play videogames might simply be mostly middle class suburbanites and therefore the two overlap because of that simple correlation.

It would be like seeing a correlation between artisan sandwich consumption and coffee consumption and immediately going ah hah! eating artisan sandwiches automatically leads to coffee consumption. But maybe it's just people hanging out at Starbucks a lot. You follow?

theSteamSupported:

Thank you, sir! So it's not guns that kill people. Neither is it video games. It's lack of a decent living standard which kills people. As a gun-hater and pacifist, I can't do anything but cheer at this fact.

Well you should hold off on the cheers because it is a near certainty that almost no one is going to focus on the real issue because solving it is a lot more difficult: building schools, industry, agriculture, and medical systems is really difficult. Blaming video games or guns is really easy. And people always take the easy route, as seen by all the facebook likes and petitions spawned out of Kony 2012, and the fact that the situation on the ground in Uganda has only gotten categorically worse because of it.

Plus there's a lot of people invested into the idea that it's one or the other. Admitting that it really has little to do with either, requires people admitting they were wrong, which isn't likely. People dig in all the harder when they are told they are wrong. Not that it can't be changed, but that it's a process and it will take thousands of years after either of us are dead.

Also on a side note, be donating to the NVPF if you aren't already. They do good work and are spreading the idea of pacifism around the world.

Not G. Ivingname:

Just a small note.

The US has 300 million people, while UK's population is only 63 million. It would be expected for a larger population to have more people of any given occupation.

You need to search for "comedians per capita",what of a percent of the population are stand up comedians.

I actually did originally search for comedians per capita, but no one bothered to compile any data on that. Without a doubt though the UK has the most per capita in the world. They definitively kick our asses in that regard.

But if we are looking for the society that makes fun of itself the most then wouldn't it be the country with the most comedians? Well I would say that size of total population is irrelevant for terms of "made fun of." Most everything is made into a TV special these days or a CD or just on basic TV. It's not like the early 1900s when there were limited audiences and so more comedians would mean more people seeing it. So as I see it, the more people making fun of the country the more it gets made fun of, period. And the US wins by far in sheer number of comedians.

Although to be fair we also have Jeff Dunham; who probably cancels out at least 10 of our actually talented comedians.

canadamus_prime:

Well I wasn't aware of that. And no I wasn't kidding. Now just to be clear, I'm not of those extremist yahoos who thinks that no one should be able to have guns ever, however I do find it incredibly stupid that they'd rather limit the fake guns in video games rather than the real guns in real life which are the ones that are actually being used to commit the shooting massacres.

I do, too. It's just not true in Feinstein's case, as she's been fighting the fight to eliminate some of our dumber gun issues.

The saddest thing is this is more likely to see the light of day somewhere.

An in-game gun restriction is a freaking hilarious concept.

ravenshrike:

doggie015:

FEichinger:
Dear, America ...

your obsession with guns has caused this. You allow children to touch real guns, teach them how to shoot them and glorify it with your insane defense of the 2nd Ammendment.

Fake guns are not the problem. They are a safe way to live your gun obsession, without harming anyone. This does not teach anyone how to shoot a real gun. It does not make them violent sociopaths. It does not give them access to guns. It is just fiction.

If you want to reduce gun violence, don't do it by removing a harmless alternative. Think about why people get guns to begin with. Think about what causes people to be paranoid enough to want guns to begin with. I can tell you, it's not arcade boxes and video games.

It's a state full of idiots. A state with legislators focused on personal gain. A state with a justice system that is flawed from start to finish. A state that refuses to act in favor of its population in fear of "socialism" and "oppression". It's a state full of parents who act without thinking and hand their children items they should not have at all.

I don't disagree that you have taken far too long to fix this. It may well be impossible now. But don't stomp your feet like a child and pretend there is something else that is responsible, other than your own faults.

Best Regards,
Europe.

Listen to what this guy is saying. Video games are not the problem, the second amendment is the problem. The only way to fix the problem of the second amendment is to get rid of it and possibly knock some sense into everyone in the NRA.

With condolences,
Australia

If that were at all true than you would have seen a significant percentage difference in the murder rate declines of the US vs Australia during the 10 years after the Port Arthur shootings and subsequent passing of legislation. Instead they both declined by just a bit over 30%.

Let's take a look at the major violent events that have happened since 1996 starting with Australia. Just for fun I'll throw in the events that are not directly gun related but are still considered mass murders to the Australian side of things...

Australia: Since the Port Arthur shootings there has been the Childers Palace Backpackers Hostel fire started by arson in June 2000 killing 15 people and there has been the Monash University shooting in October 2002, killing 2 and injuring 5.

Now let's head over to the USA and see what happened over there during that time...

There was the Columbine shooting in April 1999, The shooting murder of nine people in Atlanta in July 1999 and the shootings in Washington D.C. killing ten people in October 2002 (Interestingly these people used a sniper-style shooting method).

Stats:

Australia: Mass Shootings: 1. Fires: 1

USA: Mass shootings: 3

This is only what happened in the ten since the Port Arthur Massacre. If we add on what happened between 2006 and today we see no change for Australia but we see a few additions to the USA side of things including the Virginia Tech mass shooting, The shootings at that screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" and the most recent Newtown school shooting. While the statistics over the ten years since that shooting do tell a rather interesting story, if we add on the next seven years there is quite a different story told by the statistics. Since 2002 there have been NO mass murders in Australia however in the USA there have been at least three!

TL;DR Do people in the USA have a logical reason to oppose gun control?

Isn't gun violence some of the less violent stuff that happens in videogames?

Oh look, another senator that blames video games. Isn't that cute...

I'm getting tired by these stupid politicians which think that video games are the problem that causes crazy people to shoot others in real life.

The probability that some people are mentally unstable and will go on a rampage if given the necessary tools which are easily obtainable because it's "legal" to purchase guns is small but does happen. You can't have all the population be "normal", there are a few crazies out there, look at the news every day. So much death and suffering that is happening daily is insane.

People keep skirting the real issue. Gun violence is not caused by kids playing GTA (if you want to stop that, be a better parent). It is not caused by responsible gun owners. It isn't even caused by irresponsible gun owners (paranoid people who own bazillions of guns and explosives in their basements). It's caused by the generally less educated, generally in high population areas, with handguns and/or illegal weapons (because they're cheap and readily available). People want to pass gun control because they're afraid of guns. Those defending the 2nd amendment (at least the most vocal) use the most bogus and absurd arguments to do so (even though it's easy to defend without sounding like a whack job), making it easy for the anti-gun crowd to move forward. Everyone is just yelling louder than the previous person, and our country is suffering for it. Why do you need an assault rifle? You don't, but you also don't need a big-ass SUV to get groceries, nor do you need 180-proof alcohol, nor do you need porn. But we have the freedom to make that decision for ourselves (in the US for guns, at least). You want violence to stop in the cities? Try investing in education. It helps everyone.

[I realize that being pro - 2nd amendment is the minority opinion on the internet, so try and be civil when you disagree]

Mycroft Holmes:

JSF01:

It also found that high school students that regularly play video games were 50% more likely to report plans on owning a firearm.

That's two data points with no visible scientific connection. You need more information than that to make a correlation. Otherwise you're basically just making a guess based on what you think might be true. It could just as easily be the opposite relationship or anything in between. People who want to buy guns could simply be more likely to buy videogames in the first place. Or people who want to buy guys and who want to play videogames might simply be mostly middle class suburbanites and therefore the two overlap because of that simple correlation.

It would be like seeing a correlation between artisan sandwich consumption and coffee consumption and immediately going ah hah! eating artisan sandwiches automatically leads to coffee consumption. But maybe it's just people hanging out at Starbucks a lot. You follow?

I never said her reasoning was correct, only that to people like her that is more than enough proof that video games cause an interest in firearms. In fact I'd say whether or not it's true, it is still far stronger evidence than your "video games cause violence" based on the "video games cause a temporary increase in aggression, and aggressive people are more likely to be violent" proof.

As a side not though it is actually true that video games cause an interest in firearms. You go to any firearms forum and look for a topic about what got people interested in shooting, you will find a number of people under 30 that admit that it was video games that got them interested.

aegix drakan:
Wait, LESS guns?! But...but...MY BORDERLANDS!! MY BAZILLIONS OF GUNS!!! :O NOOOOOO!

Also, I find it depressingly hilarious that some people are more aggressive about regulating FAKE DIGITAL GUNS than about regulating the REAL guns, that ACTUALLY kill people.

Those guns are already pretty amazingly regulated. Have you looked up stats on how many violent crimes are committed by a licensed firearm owner? It's like 3% or less. The "problem" that the country has is not legal gun owners or the already incredibly strict policy regarding licensing and registration, it's the abundantly available black market weapons that are used to commit the majority of violent crimes - and no amount of "gun control" laws aimed at legal owners (who are already not the problem) are going to fix the availability of black market firearms.

Aside from that, yeah I agree. Old ass hag wasting her time and taxpayer dollars fighting something she barely understands.

Before I even read the thing, I knew it would be that idiot DiFi leading the charge.

With her AWB scheme utterly failing in Congress (it wouldn't have gotten 40 votes in favor of it), the Queen of Gun Grabbers is wildly flailing about hoping to snag something else.

A true shining example of why we need term limits on these idiots.

I wonder how many of these politicians clamoring for less guns and violence in games own guns, regularly use guns or have taught their kids about how to use and where to purchase guns. Cause my impression of America is and will remain; guns rain from the sky, grow on trees or are basically sold next to candy stores with how incredibly easy it seems to be for people to access them. Maybe if America stopped selling so many guns, had less gun stores, had less culture surrounding the worship and glorification and pride of owning and using guns, they'd have less gun violence. just sayin. But whatever I'm some ignorant foreigner who "doesn't get it man" what do I know.

I mean I live in a country where gun stores are incredibly hard to find, to the point I think I've seen maybe one my entire life and I'm not even sure it was one. We have essentially no gun violence at all, ever. Extreme rarity at best. How is this not something incredibly obvious to so many Americans by now?

Jennacide:
Funny story, Sandy Hook had NOTHING TO DO WITH VIDEOGAMES.

He wasn't known for playing violent games, that was just the media struggling to find a connection. And you know what connection they made a huge reach to claim? He liked violent games because his brother Liked Mass Effect on Facebook.

I think I remember reading that the person that had liked Mass Effect on Facebook wasn't even related to the shooter at all and the media stuffed it up.

OT: Starting to get tired of seeing this crap now.

Dear Senator, here's a thought: How about restricting accessibility to guns in your country? You know, the guns that actually kills people in real life....

Seriously? Limit Guns in Games.. I'm actually okay with tha, but you know this bitches gonna be crying when golf-club and chainsaw related assaults go up. Then they'll probably start banning arrows, rocks and throwing knives.

Seriously though. It sorta makes sense. The people writing these laws are our grandpas and and grandmas, by their logic every thing is the fault of them newfangled computronic shooting simulators. Oh sure they say, that people who go on shooting sprees play video games. But it's also fair to say people who've been on shooting sprees have either read the bible or attended church services. No seriously, take a survey of everyone in jail, it comes back 90% we obviously need to ban church and the bible.

Wasn't television and rock n' roll also supposed to turn our children into savage frothing at the mouths killers. I just get the feeling that every time something like this comes up all the old people are saying to each other " Well this didn't happen in our day (yes it did) what's changed? or there are these new things called video games you say well we didn't have these when we were younger they must be the problem." Yahtzee put it best old people will die first and so we are the ones that get to pass on our values to the next generation.

Oh brother. I'll just sit back and watch this fail miserably.

Although fewer shooters would be nice. I enjoy shooters as much as the next guy but when it's practically in every game it gets kind of tiresome.

Desert Punk:
Huh you know, after doing a bit of research, it seems the thing that is fucking the united states over most when it comes to guns, is our fucking nations capital!

Deaths by guns per 100k pop: 16.5

The next closest is Luisiana at 7.7

Only solution to even out the problem? Nuke washington DC, it will have the added benefit of ridding us of all the idiotic politicians as well! (For those too dense to get it, this last part was a joke)

St Thomas Island is actually worse than DC (hell, they had more murders per capita than Baghdad for some years of the war), though not as big. But we like to pretend that the territories aren't part of the country.

Darn, not quite a round of the "Name That Party" game as it has both parties mixed in there this time with no one ID'd.

Dianne Feinstein (D)
Debralee Hovey (R)
Toni Harp (D)

endplanets:
This is some seriously depressing stuff. The government is dead in the water on background checks, but fake guns, gotta stop that shit right now.

In America we have low video game regulations and have lots of violence.
In Australia/Germany they have harsh VG regulations and low violence.
In Japan/Sweden/UK/etc they have low VG regulations and have even lower violence.

Other that hate-speech like games, VG regulation has no effect on the levels of violence in a country.

America's crime rate keeps going down. It's been decreasing since the mid 90's.

And what do you mean hate speech like games? Do you mean games that are blatantly racist but don't encourage violence? And if so where's your proof they cause violence?

I mean all of games that I know of are available online so they're just as available to British or Australian people.

This is stupid. Really really stupid.

I mean even if you limit the amount of guns in future games I can already get games that have already been released that have a ton of guns.

Also does she really want to piss of the people who make COD, they got a lot of money they could pour into her opponents.

She can want in one hand and shit in the other. And see which one fills up first.

Let me take a stab at what she wants... if we tone down the pretend violence...maybe the real violence will go away.

Yeah... that works

FEichinger:
Dear, America ...

your obsession with guns has caused this. You allow children to touch real guns, teach them how to shoot them and glorify it with your insane defense of the 2nd Ammendment.

Fake guns are not the problem. They are a safe way to live your gun obsession, without harming anyone. This does not teach anyone how to shoot a real gun. It does not make them violent sociopaths. It does not give them access to guns. It is just fiction.

If you want to reduce gun violence, don't do it by removing a harmless alternative. Think about why people get guns to begin with. Think about what causes people to be paranoid enough to want guns to begin with. I can tell you, it's not arcade boxes and video games.

It's a state full of idiots. A state with legislators focused on personal gain. A state with a justice system that is flawed from start to finish. A state that refuses to act in favor of its population in fear of "socialism" and "oppression". It's a state full of parents who act without thinking and hand their children items they should not have at all.

I don't disagree that you have taken far too long to fix this. It may well be impossible now. But don't stomp your feet like a child and pretend there is something else that is responsible, other than your own faults.

Best Regards,
Europe.

And stop making us look bad when you are the ones at fault. We're not all like how you portray us! Sincerly,Gamers.

Carlston:
She can want in one hand and shit in the other. And see which one fills up first.

Let me take a stab at what she wants... if we tone down the pretend violence...maybe the real violence will go away.

Yeah... that works

It's not like pretend violent greatly helps remove REAL violence or anything. /sarcasm

Great to see senator Feinstein barking up the wrong tree yet again. If there were studies backing this up and not just her gut feeling about what is and isn't "right" for kids then this would be a more interesting case. But there aren't, and we don't really need the kind of treatment comics went through in the 50's.
With any hope she could go back to pushing for stronger regulations on this, rather than picking a new target.

For those of you who still haven't figured some things out

Feinstein is a democrat
She lead the 90s awb and the recent one as well
California has some of the tightest gun control in the USA, but that doesn't stop the gang violence, which thankfully has been going down
Chicago has tighter gun control but they get like 12 shooting deaths on a good week
We all know games have no correlation to violence
There are idiots in politics because most other people who see how politics works stay the fuck away
The USA has a lot of people who like guns, people who don't are likely in the minority
Oh and California has been known to target fake guns. Look up sb798 and sb 1315

First the VP of the NRA, now the spearhead of gun control. Despite my personal beliefs about gun control, I cannot stress enough that the gun control debate should not include video games in any way.

But... But... Shooting 8 year olds while calling them a fag is so much fun. Please don't take that away from me... please.

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