Rumor: Next-Gen Xbox Will Cost $300-$500, Be Always-Online

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Rumor: Next-Gen Xbox Will Cost $300-$500, Be Always-Online

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Noted Windows blogger Paul Thurrott claims that a "subscription based" next-gen Xbox will cost $300, and the standard model will be $500.

The Xbox 720/Durango/Next-Gen Xbox will launch in November of this year, and set you back $500 for the standard edition, or $300 for a "subscription based" model, claims noted Microsoft insider Paul Thurrott on the latest episode of What The Tech. He described the platform overall as "expensive."

Thurott also confirmed rumors of the next Xbox's always-online requirement, which was strongly hinted at earlier this month by comments on Microsoft executive Adam Orth's Twitter. Thurott claims the system's notes specifically state that the new console "must be Internet-connected to use." The console reportedly stops functioning if its internet connection is dropped for more than three minutes.

"But is that a bad thing?" What The Tech host Andrew Zarian asks Thurrott regarding the always-online requirement. "I don't know," he replies, "because I don't know what it means." Thurrott claims that the wording of the system notes could be interpreted in any number of ways. He warns us to not be quick to jump to conclusions. He does state that his current Xbox 360 experience is almost entirely online, mostly playing online games or using it as a media center connected to an online service.

Most surprisingly though is the revelation that a new Xbox 360 console will be released alongside the next-gen Xbox. Microsoft is planning a $99 "Stingray" Xbox 360, which Thurrott claims is because the next-gen Xbox will not be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games. A media center-only Xbox codenamed "Yumo," which could not play games at all, was reportedly in development but eventually scrapped.

We will have to wait until May 21 to have these rumors confirmed, which is the date Thurrott says Microsoft will reveal more information about its upcoming console.

Source: Gamespot

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You know, all the rumors are starting to get tiring. This is, what, the third? Fourth?

At this point I just want to know if it's true or not, so I can save my money if it is indeed true. And it bothers me that Microsoft hasn't come out yet and denied any of these rumors, because that only lends more credibility to them.

Well so far rumors suggest that I will be sticking to PC for this generation as well. On the bright side there will be less excuses for games to be console exclusive due to the same architecture (x86) being used for the Xbox 720 and PS4 (AFAIK). Hopefully this means that sony might finally port Journey to other platforms so they can get more money

Just when the Adam Orth Twitter mess was dying down this pops up.

And only 3 minutes? I've had my internet spazz out for half an hour at least once a month.

If it literally does not work without the internet, then combined with a high price and a subscription based model, they are going to fail horrifically. I can see one or maybe two of them being let slide, but together it makes it a complete waste of money. Unless they have such a fantastic line up that people can't resist (and when was the last time that happened at the beginning of a generation?).

I only see the die-hards and the "must have it because it's new" crowds being interested in it the way they are describing it.

Although my opinion is based upon these rumours. They may yet surprise with something that actually makes people interested.

Legion:
If it literally does not work without the internet, then combined with a high price and a subscription based model, they are going to fail horrifically. I can see one or maybe two of them being let slide, but together it makes it a complete waste of money. Unless they have such a fantastic line up that people can't resist (and when was the last time that happened at the beginning of a generation?).

Dont forget the rumours of banning used games and possibly requiring a kinect to be connected at all times as well. I would have thought Microsoft would be wanting to confirm or deny at least some of these rumours as soon as possible, because at the moment it just sounds like their console is going to be bloody awful.

Ed130:
Just when the Adam Orth Twitter mess was dying down this pops up.

And only 3 minutes? I've had my internet spazz out for half an hour at least once a month.

Half an hour is nothing, every six weeks or so BT digs up something and my connection is flopping about dying for a week as a result of them even though they aren't my ISP. Not to mention the fact the ISP forces their shitty routers on us and won't let me use custom firmware for the stupid thing.

OT: Do not want? Building my new PC soon for around the same price and it'll make the the thing look like a pocket calculator.

Edit: I thought I'd pop back over here to note that you should care about always online just because it may kick you from your game sometimes, you should however be deeply concerned about the reuired kinect and that constant connection because I can almost guarentee it will be used for spying to market stuff back to you.

Microsoft already archives everything you do and say on Skype and having a permanently connected camera and microphone mandatory for the next xbox to function could be their way of data farming you and could lead to some nasty licencing DRM bullshit. Not to mention a horrific intrusion of piracy, especially when the law in many countries views "the cloud" as out of your privacy, with "the cloud" meaning anything not local to your system.

Say for example, 4 people are watching a movie on netflix, and your buddy comes in the room, kinect could recognise that and say hey he leaves or you pay another $2 for a licence or no more movie.

Edit edit: I don't have a tin foil hat, I have a copper hat to block the microwaves.

TheComfyChair:

It's bundled with a mandatory kinect. Mandatory being 'it has to be plugged in and watching you'.

Welcome to the tin foil hat bunker. We have tea and cupcakes and encrypted telecommunication services.

Fasckira:
Not phased by the always online requirement; I live in a 1st world country with a reliable always-on internet connection. I'm also not prone to acting like a whiney bitch. Roll on the next gen!

So people without the stellar internet connection you must have are 'whiny bitches', right?

Its alright for you to say that you don't care, it isn't so much to insult those that do.

Fasckira:
Not phased by the always online requirement; I live in a 1st world country with a reliable always-on internet connection. I'm also not prone to acting like a whiney bitch. Roll on the next gen!

If you have a stable connection, then the next xbox wont pose an issue to you. Don't dismiss the many other people who don't as being 'whiny'.

We'll soon see how whiny everyone can really be when those servers get taken down for maintenance. Dayum. That's gonna be fun. Or the first day login issues? I can put up with it in an MMO like Guild Wars 2, it's somewhat par for the course to have occasional issues. But a new console? one which doesn't need to be online? Hmph.

It's a good job i'm not someone who feels like they *have* to have a console. I'll be sticking with my PC, after all, it's next-gen since 2009 AND i can play offline! I don't need to because my internet is stupidly stable (not even a blip in the last 18 months), but if i DID need to i can.

The PS4 may get bought if there's some good exclusives though.

I wonder if the $300 is an internal number, it seems too high for an opening price point. I would be surprised if Microsoft didn't end up subsidizing the price of the console down a hundred or so; price difference can make a big deal in how a console performs against others. As it stands now; I'd say the real value/$ of the console sounds too low to guarantee a good sales pool.

Paladin2905:
I wonder if the $300 is an internal number, it seems too high for an opening price point. I would be surprised if Microsoft didn't end up subsidizing the price of the console down a hundred or so; price difference can make a big deal in how a console performs against others. As it stands now; I'd say the real value/$ of the console sounds too low to guarantee a good sales pool.

It's bundled with a mandatory kinect. Mandatory being 'it has to be plugged in and watching you'.

I hope, for their sake, they've got the last generation of teen kids fully locked in on the brand loyalty train because these are the opposite of selling points for me.
Even without your system being a brick if any condition other than electricity is not met, at a $500 price point Microsoft will lose with me against the official steam box if it comes close in it's pricing and I already own a PC on which I play games.
On the off chance I come anywhere close to resembling the average console consumer, Sony can win big by just pushing forward with no big surprises, a non-ps3 price and an adequate selection of launch titles.
EDIT- If this online requirement sticks, I would love nothing more than for Sony to get their hands on one of these and demo it in their E3 booth with no internet connection.

Wait, so you have to pay for the hardware, then pay a subscription to USE the hardware and also pay for an internet connection so that it works at all? Not to mention that you are being spied on by your mandatory Kinect and having adverts pushed in your face on the dashboard (if the current XBL is a sign of what is to come). I don't think Microsoft like their customers much but love their money.

He described the platform overall as "expensive."
Everyone panic, man the battleships, alert the president , go to DEFCON 2.
"He warns us to not be quick to jump to conclusions."
Or maybe wait until it's confirmed.

The more I hear the more I pray that Sony doesn't copy them. If they let Microsoft do their thing, and Sony run it the normal way, then there can only be one winner. Just sat praying Sony doesn't think, oh that's a good idea lets do that too!

And so begin the "I need a PC" messages. Steam requires you to be always online, it does work offline, yes, but barely. My internet went down last week and I thought Shogun would be a good game to play during this down time and it wouldn't launch as I had not updated it when I installed it because I wanted to go on something else.

Also, you can't get preowned games on PC, at least some console games allow split screen to differ to this.

So cheaper games? Yes that would work. An always online console would be welcome if we could have always online prices, that would get a purchase from me. If not, PS4 it is.

I would also like to say I am a PC gamer as well as Xbox and I love my PC far more than my console. I am just stating that it does have it's moments, such as Steam servers going down mid way through a ranked match and getting a loss, no preowned market and games that you pay money that then don't work for whatever reason (and receiving no help what-so-ever from Steam and having to spend time on forums looking for player support instead). Overall it is a far superior platform, however, and if Microsoft believe that they can match, if not better, this system then I would like to see them try.

I could cope with a subscription based model, or maybe the Always Online model, but the idea of combining subscription based model along with an Always Online model? Are they insane? Do they cackle as they chalk up world domination plans, with the end goal being to spread the maximum amount of misery as possible? This can't be serious, this can't be reality.

Well its safe to say that if these rumours turn out to be true then this console will tank, big time, Neo Geo levels of failure.

CriticalMiss:
Wait, so you have to pay for the hardware, then pay a subscription to USE the hardware and also pay for an internet connection so that it works at all? Not to mention that you are being spied on by your mandatory Kinect and having adverts pushed in your face on the dashboard (if the current XBL is a sign of what is to come). I don't think Microsoft like their customers much but love their money.

that is what i have been wondering, is the subscription one a bit like what they did a wile ago buy 2 years (or whatever) of gold membership and get the console cheeper, bit like a mobile phone. or is that subscription needed to play at all? as its always online do you need something the equivalent of gold to do anything or will at least the always on DRM bit be free if you dont want to play multiplayer games and then if you want you can upgrade as you can now to play with others online.

guess we'll just have to wait and see like he said

...Well, this just made my morning if it turns out to be true. I have never liked X-Box, it never had any games that made me want it, it's online community scared me to no end, and I want nothing to do with it's controller. So having said that, awful nice of Microsoft to do themselves in like this if it's true.

Fasckira:
Not phased by the always online requirement; I live in a 1st world country with a reliable always-on internet connection. I'm also not prone to acting like a whiney bitch. Roll on the next gen!

Ah, don't we all love a good bit of ad-hom? Please just go away, you're being a short sighted corporate apologist and it's not adding anything to the discussion.

I'm sad to hear another rumor supporting this. If the guy on Twitter was anything to go by, Microsoft is utterly out of touch with the real world and is gonna suffer for it come release time I think. I think the community has matured past the brand-loyalty phase we saw at the start of this generation and is looking out for their own best interests now.

I honestly don't think these are true, however persistent the rumors are. Even Microsoft must have seen the utter failure of Onlive and realised that the infrastructure doesn't support always online yet. Granted built in DRM and full on game streaming are different things but the principle of requiring a constant connection or being left with a worthless hunk remains.

They must also know that the world press will go ape shit if they try it. Considering how much piracy and bad feeling exists around always on PC games, which the press outside of gaming largely ignores, a new generation of console requiring it will get the full on media assassination. It's practically asking for a market in cracked console to explode in size.

If it's true I'll be very surprised, but the again this the company that didn't need thermal cirtification and decided GFWL should be a paid for service, so it's not impossible.

Looks like the PS4 is going to win the next generation if this is true. It's certainly what I'm buying instead. Alternatively, I might buy a gaming PC.

You know what this rumor tells me? Sony is going to feel the love again! They deserve something after all of the events they had to deal with in the PS3 generation of consoles, especially the PSP, PSP Go!, and now possibly the Vita (though the Vita still looks like it can make a comeback as it's getting some good games over the next few months).

Re: possible mandatory Kinect..

Sorry if this has been discussed already, but for those who count this as a big negative towards the console through the thought of being spied on - has anyone considered draping a blanket over it or leave it facing the corner with a dunce's cap on when it's not in use? I'm not being facetious, I wonder about this being a legitimate way around that particular unsavoury (possible) aspect.

Colt47:
You know what this rumor tells me? Sony is going to feel the love again! They deserve something after all of the events they had to deal with in the PS3 generation of consoles, especially the PSP, PSP Go!, and now possibly the Vita (though the Vita still looks like it can make a comeback as it's getting some good games over the next few months).

you may as well add the PS Vita to the list...

Colt47:
You know what this rumor tells me? Sony is going to feel the love again! They deserve something after all of the events they had to deal with in the PS3 generation of consoles, especially the PSP, PSP Go!, and now possibly the Vita (though the Vita still looks like it can make a comeback as it's getting some good games over the next few months).

If these rumors come to pass, it's certainly Sony's game to fuck up. Something as simple as an extremely poor launch line-up, such as they've had for the Vita, PsP and PS3 would have us all scratching our heads and wondering how the monstrosity of a next-box could beat out the ps4 in hardware sales.

I think I've said it before, but in the event that some crazy Microsoft sentient worm is trolling the internet compiling opinions...

I like my Xbox. When the option to play a game on my Xbox or PS3 comes up, I always go for the former. I haven't once used it online, and can't imagine any situation that would change that... well, unless it could beam whores into the room through the internet or something.

Anyway. Throughout most of my life I've lacked high-speed internet, whether its because I can't afford it, live in a place where it isn't offered, or because it has ludicrous restrictions (really, AT&T 5gb/month limits?). So even if I now do have it, I can't be sure that I'll always have it - past experience has taught me that doing things on the internet is never guaranteed.

So I won't be buying it if true. Just means I'll have to do pick up a PS4 once games actually start coming out.

In a world where smart TVs and cheap media centre PCs are starting to crop up everywhere, I can see Microsoft doing something this stupid and out-of-touch.

Fasckira:
Not phased by the always online requirement; I live in a 1st world country with a reliable always-on internet connection. I'm also not prone to acting like a whiney bitch. Roll on the next gen!

Well congratulations! I hope you're enjoying your connected life of privilege and urban internet!

I mean, who the fuck cares about any country that isn't in the first world? Screw them, they don't need entertaining, bloody whining peasants. And all those people who live out in the country and still have shitty internet? Move to the City. You can have all the internet you like. We'll just urbanize everywhere, and then you won't have to live out in the sticks.

Oh, what's that? You want to move house, and won't get internet access for a month whilst you wait for someone to hook you up? I hope you like solitaire whilst your Xbox becomes an expensive paper weight for a month. You can't afford good internet AND a new console, you want one or the other? Get a second job you lazy bastard.

OT: Well, rumours are just rumours, but it's seemingly pretty likely the next Xbox will be always online. So I guess I'll be moving from 360 to PS4, or maybe just stick to PC.

The "current xbox 360 experience" is almost entirely online?
What.
That terrible terrible dashboard and the subscription based online multiplayer has prevented that from happening quite well for me.
An entirely subscription based console won't come into my house, that's for sure.
I got enough bills to pay each month already, no need for more possibly easy to get and hard to cancel constant income leeches.

Britisheagle:
And so begin the "I need a PC" messages. Steam requires you to be always online, it does work offline, yes, but barely.

Then don't buy from Steam!

Wonders of PC gaming: you are not obliged to accept a single specific first-party publisher's measures. Some publishers might be more influential than others, sure, but there is always a way for playing outside the system.

Microsoft seems to suffer from a bad case of wishful thinking if these rumors are true and they this this is what we want. Recently I was also on their developer conference (Techdays) and they really kept pushing how everyone loves Windows 8 and their app market.

Colt47:
You know what this rumor tells me? Sony is going to feel the love again! They deserve something after all of the events they had to deal with in the PS3 generation of consoles, especially the PSP, PSP Go!, and now possibly the Vita (though the Vita still looks like it can make a comeback as it's getting some good games over the next few months).

Yes, it looks like it might be a Nintendo/Sony competition again, with a 3rd company (This time Microsoft) in a very distant third. Unlike the N64 vs. PS1 however, I have a feeling the WiiU's probably gonna keep the lead on the PS4, at least for a majority of it's life span.

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