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Columnist Enlists Anonymous to Take Down Rapists

A Canadian political heavyweight has called upon Anonymous to "name and shame" four teenagers accused of raping a girl who committed suicide last week.

17-year-old Rehtaeh Parsons of Halifax, Nova Scotia, committed suicide last week, 18 months after she was allegedly gang-raped by four boys and then subjected to a vicious bullying campaign spurred by a photo of the attack that was spread around her school by one of her attackers. "This day changed the lives of our family forever," her mother wrote in a tribute message on Facebook. "Rehtaeh was suddenly shunned by almost everyone she knew, the harassment was so bad she had to move out of her own community to try to start anew in Halifax."

The RCMP investigated the attack but the boys involved were never charged, and while Nova Scotia Justice Minister Ross Landry requested a review of the case after the story made national headlines, it seems unlikely that the situation will change. That's led to a growing call for the involvement of online activist group Anonymous, including from high-profile Canadian political strategist, commentator, author and Liberal party heavyweight Warren Kinsella, who wrote an open letter calling on the group to "find out who the little bastards are."

In fact, Kinsella seems quite happy to take Anonymous off the leash altogether. "The RCMP, who allegedly investigated, are led in Nova Scotia by Alphonse MacNeil. He calls himself a 'consensus builder. and has two daughters. I'm sure you could find his email address if you needed to," Kinsella wrote. "The Nova Scotia government, which agreed with - and energetically defended - the RCMP's decision to do nothing about the rape or the child pornography, is led by NDP leader Darrell Dexter. Interestingly, he represents Cole Harbour in the provincial legislature. His email isn't readily available, either, but I know you'll find that, too."

"The names of the little bastards who did this, and who are still alive and walk free in Cole Harbour, are unknown to most of us. But, as in the Steubenville, Ohio case, I am certain anyone who is sufficiently motivated can find out who the little bastards are, and name and shame them," he continued. "I'm unclear how to appeal to you, Anonymous. But if there was ever a case that cried out for your attention - and if there were ever men like MacNeil, Dexter and Landry who deserved to be fired, or worse, for their pathetic responses - I don't know what it is. What happened to Rehtaeh and her family is so horrible, so evil, I am ashamed that it happened in my country."

Kinsella's involvement is noteworthy because he's not just some guy on the internet: He was a high-ranked adviser on the successful reelection campaign of Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and until 2010 headed the "war room" of the federal Liberal party. His influence is such that he is known in some political circles as the "Prince of Darkness."

Anonymous, of course, is well known for its ability to dig up dirt and stir up trouble, and is being sought as an executor of justice in this case in large part because of its involvement in a similar case in Steubenville, Ohio, in which the rape of 16-year-old girl by members of the local high school football team in 2012 went largely ignored until evidence, including police documents and a video made on the night of the attack, was leaked onto the internet.

Twitter users are spreading the call to Anonymous with the hashtag #OpJustice4Rehtaeh, and despite warnings from the Nova Scotia RCMP, the group has responded with a statement saying it has already identified two of the four accused rapists and will soon have the other two as well, and that it will release their names to the public unless authorities take "immediate legal action."

"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. What we want is justice. And that's your job. So do it," the statement says. "The names of the rapists will be kept until it is apparent you have no intention of providing justice to Retaeh's family. Please be aware that there are other groups of Anons also attempting to uncover this information and they may not to wish to wait at all. Better act fast."

"Be aware that we will be organizing large demonstrations outside of [RCMP] headquarters," it concludes. "The rapists will be held accountable for their actions. You will be held accountable for your failure to act."

A Change.org petition calling for an independent inquiry into the investigation has so far attracted roughly 14,000 signatures.

Source: Huffington Post

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I was wondering when something like this would happen. This will be interesting to see unfold as well. While I don't doubt this will get Anon to act, they will likely do something to Kinsella or his party as "payment" for the work.

BabySinclair:
I was wondering when something like this would happen. This will be interesting to see unfold as well. While I don't doubt this will get Anon to act, they will likely do something to Kinsella or his party as "payment" for the work.

Depends who takes the case. Anonymous has innumerable secs, many with differing ideology

Some consider themselves white knights & act more or less accordingly, others... we'll see

I dont really think the stubenville kids are going to be shamed. What they did is awful, but that coach (last I heard and if I hear different I'll edit this) is still coaching and they went in there confident and sure he would make them get off with less (you can argue they were right/he was successful). HS football is huge there, just like college football in happy valley and the rage against those who even tried to bring paterno's name into the discussion. Im not saying they werent punished or anything, just they got off considerably well and if they stay there they'll likely be much better down the road of life than if they leave and try to start new out from under the coach's protective wing.

For this though... I dont know. Yeah its terrible they raped her, and yeah its sad she died, but I dont think bringing anon into this is the right way to about it. Anon themselves are questionable at best, and anytime they come in it always leaves someone miserable because they dont know/understand/practice holding back. So sure they could probably get the identities of these kids, but whats that going to do? They're going to be shamed maybe (I dont know their situation or how NS is but if its like stubenville they could be king hogs on the high hills and this could only inflate them more), and if by held accountable you mean "anon will tell news and leak it out ot he public where someone close may kill/brutally beat these kids" then sure.

And now they're more or less issuing a small vague threat against the mounties, and I cant imagine that's a good idea since the mounties can literally charge anywhere they want in the world and bring you to canada for justice (and I dont think canada is going to side with Anon if it comes to a war between them and the mounties and anon does not need to be known for attacking countries like canada [considerably less cool than attacking the US cause hey, its the US they TOTALLY deserve it]).

also:

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"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. ...

sure you dont anon, sure you dont.

Bringing in Anon is the worst thing you could possibly do in a situation like this. Any action that they could take will only make things worse.

ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

nignonymous:
How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

This a pretty disturbing post.

If the kids did it (and I'm assuming they did as there seems to have been pictures and bragging circulating after the fact, and that never disappears), then I hope to hell somone names them and the kids get butchered. ... Take that however you want, by the by.

I also hope the people who swept it under the rug (officials) and those who recieved the pictures or knew about the event and said nothing also get taken to task.

In situations like this, I am all for the harshest punishment available. Which usually isn't quick.

I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

Teenagers do a lot of things that are really really short sighted. Not justifying anything done by any side but teenagers more often then not overreact significantly.

Wow, didn't see that coming. No seriously, there is a reason that they say "Anonymous is not your personal army". Because they aren't. I'm just surprised to see that they are taking somebody up on their request for help, rather than finding dirt on their own volition.

"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. ...

Well, I do approve of vigilante justice and I would break into a pretty big grin if, following publications of their names, they turned up hanging from trees with their entrails loose.

What is it people think is so just about the state locking criminals away at an annual cost of between 25,000 and 44,000 pounds a year (speaking of England, and depending on the facility), courtesy of the taxpayer- which includes victims and their families? Especially when the emphasis of these facilities is on reform and not punishment.

The only means of acquiring justice in a country that has abandoned the death penalty is with your own hands.

The Last Melon:

nignonymous:
How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

This a pretty disturbing post.

Nignonymous said it rather crudely but he's right, we only have one side of the story here. While this and the Facebook post I've read strongly suggest it was a case of rape, we can't be sure of that until it's proven in a court of law. Incidentally I found the calls on Facebook for the accused to be hung, or for them and their families to be "run out of town" pretty disturbing, not least since Anon isn't infalliable and could well name some poor bastard unconnected to the case by mistake, or even maliciously.

el_kabong:
I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

Look into the Youth Criminal Justice Act here in Canada... basically it means children under 18 do not serve time for almost nay crime committed. It's not what was intended with the act, but children who commit crimes in Canada basically get off scott-free. It's a horrible system and has allowed some children to abuse the system and the general population is basicaly held hostage by these kids. Some set fires to people's houses, are released a day or two later, and then go torch another house. Sometimes with people in it. And then they get let off again because they're children. And the cycle repeats. It happens for minor crimes, and even murders. And kids know they won't get in much trouble.

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

I'm not saying that they are free of guilt. However, unless there is conclusive/overwhelming evidence they actually did rape her, destroying their and their families' lives for it is unjust.

They are, on the other hand and in my eyes, fair game after it has been proven.

Candidus:

"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. ...

Well, I do approve of vigilante justice and I would break into a pretty big grin if, following publications of their names, they turned up hanging from trees with their entrails loose.

What is it people think is so just about the state locking criminals away at an annual cost of between 25,000 and 44,000 pounds a year (speaking of England, and depending on the facility), courtesy of the taxpayer- which includes victims and their families? Especially when the emphasis of these facilities is on reform and not punishment.

The only means of acquiring justice in a country that has abandoned the death penalty is with your own hands.

You're confusing justice and revenge there, mate.

If they're guilty I hope they're outed. In Canada there is a stupid thing called the Young Offenders Act to give young people a second chance if they did something stupid. The goal is to protect their identities so things like petty theft and such don't haunt them for the rest of their lives. I agree with that.

Unfortunately, the YOA also protects the identities of these violent youths. Hell, they could be found guilty but wouldn't have to register as a sex offender as an adult.

emeraldrafael:
For this though... I dont know. Yeah its terrible they raped her, and yeah its sad she died, but I dont think bringing anon into this is the right way to about it. Anon themselves are questionable at best, and anytime they come in it always leaves someone miserable because they dont know/understand/practice holding back. So sure they could probably get the identities of these kids, but whats that going to do? They're going to be shamed maybe (I dont know their situation or how NS is but if its like stubenville they could be king hogs on the high hills and this could only inflate them more), and if by held accountable you mean "anon will tell news and leak it out ot he public where someone close may kill/brutally beat these kids" then sure.

There's no other way to go about it. They weren't charged; they got off Scott free. The girl got gang raped and committed suicide after being publicly humiliated; a brutal beating or death is almost too kind.

IndomitableSam:

el_kabong:
I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

Look into the Youth Criminal Justice Act here in Canada... basically it means children under 18 do not serve time for almost nay crime committed. It's not what was intended with the act, but children who commit crimes in Canada basically get off scott-free. It's a horrible system and has allowed some children to abuse the system and the general population is basicaly held hostage by these kids. Some set fires to people's houses, are released a day or two later, and then go torch another house. Sometimes with people in it. And then they get let off again because they're children. And the cycle repeats. It happens for minor crimes, and even murders. And kids know they won't get in much trouble.

Sounds like a mess. It also sounds like citizen's energy should be directed towards changing that particular law instead of assembling an internet hit squad to publicly shame just a few criminals who've brought this to light. Changing an unjust law is, in my opinion, how you get true justice for the victim. Anything short of that is just perpetuating a cycle of crime and hate.

el_kabong:
Sounds like a mess. It also sounds like citizen's energy should be directed towards changing that particular law instead of assembling an internet hit squad to publicly shame just a few criminals who've brought this to light. Changing an unjust law is, in my opinion, how you get true justice for the victim. Anything short of that is just perpetuating a cycle of crime and hate.

You also need to look into the Harper Government we've got going on... we seriously aren't a democracy anymore. That man has turned Canada into something else entirely. No laws will be changed unless Harper himself decides he wants them changed. He's literally passing things through parliament on his own whim that are destroying the environment, keeping immigrants out of the country, signing our mineral wealth (and other things) away to other countries, and.. yeah, I'm too angry to continue. He seriously, actually does things that are illegal and flaunts it to the public.

On the one hand if I were in their position I would probably want the rapists hides nailed to my wall. And I know enough about how dumb justice can be to see a botched investigation into this without any difficulty.

On the other hand,this is all still alleged crimes and bringing in mob rule, particular a mob without a great track record IMO, seems to have a high risk of causing more problems then it would solve. Anonymous might have good ideals, but their execution of said ideals leaves a lot to be desired.

Just my two cents, my deepest sympathy for the family, what a terrible tragedy.

Alleged_Alec:

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

I'm not saying that they are free of guilt. However, unless there is conclusive/overwhelming evidence they actually did rape her, destroying their and their families' lives for it is unjust.

They are, on the other hand and in my eyes, fair game after it has been proven.

Candidus:

"We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. ...

Well, I do approve of vigilante justice and I would break into a pretty big grin if, following publications of their names, they turned up hanging from trees with their entrails loose.

What is it people think is so just about the state locking criminals away at an annual cost of between 25,000 and 44,000 pounds a year (speaking of England, and depending on the facility), courtesy of the taxpayer- which includes victims and their families? Especially when the emphasis of these facilities is on reform and not punishment.

The only means of acquiring justice in a country that has abandoned the death penalty is with your own hands.

You're confusing justice and revenge there, mate.

ok from what ive read on this there is a video implicating them in the crime. As such i say take them to the hospital knock them out and make them unichs, for basterds like that dont deserve to reproduce ever.

nathan-dts:

emeraldrafael:
For this though... I dont know. Yeah its terrible they raped her, and yeah its sad she died, but I dont think bringing anon into this is the right way to about it. Anon themselves are questionable at best, and anytime they come in it always leaves someone miserable because they dont know/understand/practice holding back. So sure they could probably get the identities of these kids, but whats that going to do? They're going to be shamed maybe (I dont know their situation or how NS is but if its like stubenville they could be king hogs on the high hills and this could only inflate them more), and if by held accountable you mean "anon will tell news and leak it out ot he public where someone close may kill/brutally beat these kids" then sure.

There's no other way to go about it. They weren't charged; they got off Scott free. The girl got gang raped and committed suicide after being publicly humiliated; a brutal beating or death is almost too kind.

maybe, one life for another is nevera good thing and killing four people and making them miserable is not going ot brng her back, justify the suicide, or do anyhting except ruin 4+(the boys' families) lives. I know this is canada, and I know the cynics like to think canadians are better but they also have a court and justice system that should be followed. And anon is doing anything but following that and should not even be included in the equation.

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

I don't know if they did rape her - but from what I read, there's no doubt that they bullied her until committed suicide - so they might not be rapists, but they're definitely not innocent.

Anons seem like bullies to me, but I don't have a problem with them helping if they bring these guys to justice.

This whole thing sounds weird. First and foremost is the fact Anonymous is answering a call to arms. What happened to "Not your personal army"?

In terms of the case, I really don't know any more then has been said here so I don't wanna make any judgements. As others have said, they're still only alleged to have committed the crime, not proven. Innocent until proven guilty. Saying that though, the fact there was supposed evidence getting passed around would surely be pretty incriminating here? It's also pretty easy to take the poor lass at her word, but she could have a reason for making it up we're unaware of, she wouldn't be the first after all.

If they were found innocent though, then surely this should have been dropped? The only reason to bring it back up would be if there was some doubt into the process itself and the motivations/capability of those involved in the court, and this isn't really a matter where wider politics or financial benefit stands to be gained from any of the parties involved. At least on the surface of it anyway. There is no doubt the courts in most western countries are pretty dodgy when it comes to political matters.

I'm just not seeing reason to doubt the motivations of the court or justice system here. I've not lived in Canada for a long time now, so there may be some issue I'm unaware of that's going on here.

If there IS a reason to doubt the justice system's integrity, then it becomes much harder to argue against the morality of vigilante justice.

Regardless of the wider circumstances, I feel for the family. I can't say I feel happy or angry about the whole situation though, not without any facts in hand to make a proper judgement here.

Let us not call for beating them up; violence is cheap. A trip to the hospital is the worst that could happen. Making sure they are forever linked to the crime they've committed, however, marking them as villains and unfit for any civilized society, is a much better long-term solution. They must learn their lesson. Actions have consequences; this is first and foremost of the principles of any enforcement of the law. The only thing worse than crime is apathy in law enforcement, which necessitates (not justifies, those are not the same) the involvement of such as Anonymous.

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

So the photo of the attack they spread around the school doesn't count?

Wait a second. So they're HIS private army but not mine? I wish I had a private army. I'm all for vigilante justice in this case though, despite what very little I know about it.

One way or another, I somehow don't see this ending well.

Cry havoc...

I think it's more of a "Hey, you internet-type peoples! You might not have heard about this case, but you did good work for the case in Ohio, so maybe look into it since our police failed to do anything?

Besides, like the article said, they admit that they are just one little part of the group. Others may go farther, some will probably ignore it.

emeraldrafael:

nathan-dts:

emeraldrafael:
For this though... I dont know. Yeah its terrible they raped her, and yeah its sad she died, but I dont think bringing anon into this is the right way to about it. Anon themselves are questionable at best, and anytime they come in it always leaves someone miserable because they dont know/understand/practice holding back. So sure they could probably get the identities of these kids, but whats that going to do? They're going to be shamed maybe (I dont know their situation or how NS is but if its like stubenville they could be king hogs on the high hills and this could only inflate them more), and if by held accountable you mean "anon will tell news and leak it out ot he public where someone close may kill/brutally beat these kids" then sure.

There's no other way to go about it. They weren't charged; they got off Scott free. The girl got gang raped and committed suicide after being publicly humiliated; a brutal beating or death is almost too kind.

maybe, one life for another is nevera good thing and killing four people and making them miserable is not going ot brng her back, justify the suicide, or do anyhting except ruin 4+(the boys' families) lives. I know this is canada, and I know the cynics like to think canadians are better but they also have a court and justice system that should be followed. And anon is doing anything but following that and should not even be included in the equation.

The justice system is evidently flawed given that they weren't charged. These people ruined someone's life to the point that they took their own life. Someone has to be going through huge amounts of mental anguish to do that; that warrants a punishment that the courts don't give out, anymore.

Everyone has this need for revenge, and if your loved one went through this and the culprits weren't punished, I imagine you'd want that same revenge.

nathan-dts:
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The justice system is evidently flawed given that they weren't charged. These people ruined someone's life to the point that they took their own life. Someone has to be going through huge amounts of mental anguish to do that; that warrants a punishment that the courts don't give out, anymore.

Everyone has this need for revenge, and if your loved one went through this and the culprits weren't punished, I imagine you'd want that same revenge.

Then its time for a reform of the justice system, not hire a group who borders on cyber terrorism to do it for you when they all and all can be argued as more evil because I'm sure every "justified" victim of Anon has had their life ruined.

and a friend did, it wasnt pretty after because she did get away with it because it was unthinkable that a woman would rape a man. Not one of us went after her with the intent of beating and abusing her, we just had to let it go.

maybe its just cause i dont like anon and think they do more harm than good (if they ever do any "real good") i just dont see the need for their involvement when they said they're not a personal army (despite it certainly looking that way) and after they decide to makea vague threat against a law/justice based organization. Nothing good is going to come from this other than four more kids will wind up either dead or severely beaten and four more families suffering because of the same mental anguish. Anon does not give slaps on the wrists, its always all in. and thats not how a society is supposed to work, especially one that is held to a somewhat morally high position like canada is.

These kids certainly need to be held accountable once its proven they're guilty, but anon is not the group that needs to be involved in doing so.

This is actually kind of awesome IMO.
While I understand Due Process and what-not, This act of Anon will make some would-be-rapists think twice before ruining someone's life, knowing that a massive international collective will hunt their asses down.

That being said, I don't want them harmed, I want them tried and the fear of God put into them, show them that no deed goes unpunished.

Interesting, to be honest while Anonymous has gotten into so called "hactivism" and vigilante activity recently, that has never really been the nature of the "organization". Anonymous represents the primordial chaos of the internet, and really other than going after those infringing on the territory of The Internet it has little or no real involvement. Indeed it could be argued that at it's core Anonymous is a little more on the side of the rapists here than those wanting to bring them to justice, because they are on the side of hardcore pornography including really shocking stuff and it's distribution, I mean sites where Anonymous hangs out or are connected to them are generally where you'll find some of the most F@cked up and "sexist" crap you've ever seen, with part of the point being that the dark side of the internet is where they hail from.

Don't forget this is the group that pretty much terrorized Jessie Slaughter for being a bit of a twit on the internet, that whole thing with her father "Dong goofed", "cyberpolice", etc... all comes from them watching a little girl through her webcam, which they hacked.

One of the cardinal rules of Anonymous is also that they are not anyone's personal army. If they still hold to those ideals, I'd imagine trying to call Anonymous down on someone like this would wind up with exactly the wrong kind of attention coming to the person making the request. I'd kind of expect Kinsella to have just made himself a target for Anonymous.

As far as the proper way to "appeal to Anonymous" goes, the point is kind of that they are everywhere, specifically on the kinds of forums and image boards where there are no handles, everyone is listed as "Anonymous" which is where the name comes from. Those who care can typically only tell who you are if they pay attention to your address or even go through the trouble of finding out what it is. You pretty much hang out in that community, express your opinion about whomever is irritating you, and it's possible you'll get a raid of sorts going from people with the right skills who agree with you who are Anonymous, however if you come in and go "gee, I want someone to go hack these guys" that's exactly the way you don't do it.... not that I've ever had the interest in doing something like this.

At any rate, we'll see what happens, I'm neither an Anonymous fan or a hater, but I've been aware of them for a while, since before their hacktivism activities got attention. Their actions always seemed to be a mixed bag, but one thing that I believe has always been integral is for nobody to be able to use them as a "tool" or "sic" them on someone no matter how justified. Anonymous by definition stands for nothing, and that includes Justice.

That said it would be kind of cool of a bunch of hackers "got" these kids given the way this story sounds, but I think anyone who tries to appeal to Anonymous sort of misses the point.

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