Columnist Enlists Anonymous to Take Down Rapists

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17-year-old Rehtaeh Parsons of Halifax, Nova Scotia, committed suicide last week, 18 months after she was allegedly gang-raped by four boys and then subjected to a vicious bullying campaign spurred by a photo of the attack that was spread around her school by one of her attackers.

Keyword there: ALLEGEDLY. There is a reason we civilized humans stopped taking the law into our hands Kinsella. Sometimes we are wrong -even the justice system doesn't have a perfect record here. If they were investigated but never charged it was most likely because there wasn't enough evidence for the charge. However, if the investigation was half-assed, then a call for another one would be in order. What is NOT called for is shaming 4 boys who may not have even committed a crime. Ever hear of group sex? Or the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty"? Because your words and actions say you've already condemned them without a trial. So chill.

Irridium:

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

So the photo of the attack they spread around the school doesn't count?

A photo proves nothing about intentions. Maybe they raped her, maybe she was willing. A photo can't tell us jack about that (if it had been a video though...).

Anything that will put more eyes on the RCMP is a good thing, IMO.

I know many people outside of Canada don't know, and even many Canadians don't care; but the RCMP is blatantly and flagrantly corrupt. Every month it seems there are news stories of officers who abuse their power and just walk away (including 4 who were caught on camera all repeatedly tasering a man to death in an airport). They need to be held accountable, the entire system is so completely fucked up and broken.

Considering what a monkey's paw Anonymous can be I'm wondering if this guy who called them out to"help" will regret it later.

IndomitableSam:

el_kabong:
I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

Look into the Youth Criminal Justice Act here in Canada... basically it means children under 18 do not serve time for almost nay crime committed. It's not what was intended with the act, but children who commit crimes in Canada basically get off scott-free. It's a horrible system and has allowed some children to abuse the system and the general population is basicaly held hostage by these kids. Some set fires to people's houses, are released a day or two later, and then go torch another house. Sometimes with people in it. And then they get let off again because they're children. And the cycle repeats. It happens for minor crimes, and even murders. And kids know they won't get in much trouble.

Well thats the scariest law ive seen in a while thanks for that.

0_o What happened to "not your personal army"?!

Well, ok. I hope they double check that they got the right guys.

IndomitableSam:
You also need to look into the Harper Government we've got going on... we seriously aren't a democracy anymore. That man has turned Canada into something else entirely. No laws will be changed unless Harper himself decides he wants them changed. He's literally passing things through parliament on his own whim that are destroying the environment, keeping immigrants out of the country, signing our mineral wealth (and other things) away to other countries, and.. yeah, I'm too angry to continue. He seriously, actually does things that are illegal and flaunts it to the public.

This guy is right about everything except for one little fact...

He doesn't "flaunt it in the public's face". He instead spins everything he does as good, and the opposition as evil, and the mainstream media isn't all that on the ball about it.

Opposition tries to stop him from allowing china to sue us in private for loss of profits over the pipeline Harper is having built to sell them our oil? "THE OPPOSITION IS AGAINST STOPPING THE RECESSION AND WANTS TO DESTROY OUT ECONOMY! Meanwhile, look! Harper is having a photo-op with a Panda! See, he's the good guy! :D"

Harper rams through a law that removes protection for the overwhelming majority of our lakes and rivers in a 400 page BUDGET BILL, and the opposition gets upset at that? "AWWW THE OPPOSITION IS AGAINST THE ECONOMY AND WANTS YOU TO ALL LOSE YOUR JOBS! We, on the other hand, are just helping increase productivity in the industry! :D So you can all have jobs! (in the tar sands!)"

And that's just the TIP of the iceberg (not even GOING into the election fraud). I'm going to stop now before I launch into a 2 page essay. >_<

It's taken 2 years of secret bills, destroying Canadian values, and a concerted effort by the internet to get us to the point where Canada is FINALLY starting to take not of how bad this guy is.

emeraldrafael:
anon does not need to be known for attacking countries like canada [considerably less cool than attacking the US cause hey, its the US they TOTALLY deserve it]).

Considering the RCMP has a track record for being...kinda shit, as a Canadian I have to say I have to problem with Anon stepping in if the RCMP refuse to do their modsbanned jobs.

Soviet Heavy:
Wow, didn't see that coming. No seriously, there is a reason that they say "Anonymous is not your personal army". Because they aren't. I'm just surprised to see that they are taking somebody up on their request for help, rather than finding dirt on their own volition.

13 posts in before I found the one I was thinking almost exactly word for word. Salient words being "Not Your Personal Army".

What has Anon turned into, hardboiled detectives who'll only take the case if it appeals to our sense of white knight? If you have the inclination, aptitude and ability to track down rapists and other ner' do wells, why not go do that professionally and not bring Anonymous into it at all?

emeraldrafael:

nathan-dts:
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The justice system is evidently flawed given that they weren't charged. These people ruined someone's life to the point that they took their own life. Someone has to be going through huge amounts of mental anguish to do that; that warrants a punishment that the courts don't give out, anymore.

Everyone has this need for revenge, and if your loved one went through this and the culprits weren't punished, I imagine you'd want that same revenge.

Then its time for a reform of the justice system, not hire a group who borders on cyber terrorism to do it for you when they all and all can be argued as more evil because I'm sure every "justified" victim of Anon has had their life ruined.

and a friend did, it wasnt pretty after because she did get away with it because it was unthinkable that a woman would rape a man. Not one of us went after her with the intent of beating and abusing her, we just had to let it go.

maybe its just cause i dont like anon and think they do more harm than good (if they ever do any "real good") i just dont see the need for their involvement when they said they're not a personal army (despite it certainly looking that way) and after they decide to makea vague threat against a law/justice based organization. Nothing good is going to come from this other than four more kids will wind up either dead or severely beaten and four more families suffering because of the same mental anguish. Anon does not give slaps on the wrists, its always all in. and thats not how a society is supposed to work, especially one that is held to a somewhat morally high position like canada is.

These kids certainly need to be held accountable once its proven they're guilty, but anon is not the group that needs to be involved in doing so.

Never going to happen. Governments don't listen to their people, anymore.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but I'd still be pissed and I'm surprised she doesn't have to deal with vandalism for the rest of her life as well as verbal hate.

There's a difference between a family losing their daughter to suicide and families grieving the loss of their rapist sons; one of them was an undeserved loss and the others are completely warranted. I don't think capital punishment is morally wrong.

emeraldrafael:

And now they're more or less issuing a small vague threat against the mounties, and I cant imagine that's a good idea since the mounties can literally charge anywhere they want in the world and bring you to canada for justice

I doubt this is true... you can't just go into another nation and arrest their citizens.

What. The. Fuck?!?

Seriously, this is all kinds of fucked up. This guy's basically inciting mob rule and lynching justice, which never end well. Seriously, I know vigilantism looks cool in comic books, but it's about the worst way to enact justice in real life.

We don't know the specifics of the case. We don't know what evidence was given. It may well have been that this girl was raped, but then again, it may well not have been the case. Men and women have both made false claims of rape before, and ruined the names of innocent people in doing so. Not to say that's the case here, but inciting an internet lynch mob by going "Hey guys! These boys weren't found guilty of rape, but they totally are! Go for their balls!" is terrifying.

What if the girl was legitimately a bit messed in the head? What if she consented to sex, regretted it, made a rape claim then killed herself because she had mental problems? That's not to say that is the case, but we don't know, as we weren't made privy to the evidence given.

This no better than getting some red top rag like the Sun to weigh in with their judgements on a case. Irresponsible and downright dangerous.

Irridium:

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

So the photo of the attack they spread around the school doesn't count?

You say it was an attack.

I say she popped a molly and got freaky.

Neither of us know for sure.

[Sorry for the confusion, folks. A combination of factors led to this permaban, not this one post. - The Management]

AC10:
Anything that will put more eyes on the RCMP is a good thing, IMO.

I know many people outside of Canada don't know, and even many Canadians don't care; but the RCMP is blatantly and flagrantly corrupt. Every month it seems there are news stories of officers who abuse their power and just walk away (including 4 who were caught on camera all repeatedly tasering a man to death in an airport). They need to be held accountable, the entire system is so completely fucked up and broken.

That's what international jurisdiction will do to a guy. It's like an OPP power trip only tripled.

In the event that the law refuses to act justly, the use of of vigilante justice is completely understandable (in my opinion). In my mind rapists deserve the death penalty and I wish I could support Anonymous and their intent on this.

HOWEVER....However...The fact of the matter is that the names released could be wrong. Vigilante justice and acting outside of due process of the law are punishable offenses for this very reason. Anonymous could post incorrect names and ruin the lives, possibly get some students killed, for this reason. Groups like Anonymous could even release names of people they dislike as a way of further pushing their own agenda. Due to the seriousness of this case as well as the secrecy surrounding Anonymous, they deserve criminal punishment if they release any names.

Their actions would set certain people up as targets and NO ONE should play with people's lives like that. The actions they take to release the names of several rapists are justified, however they should still be illegal and all members of Anonymous involved in this case deserve to be punished for any laws they break.

CRY HAVOC! AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!

This is one of the times where I can fully support Anonymous (Or rather THIS particular group). Because when the Legal System fails in such a huge way as this, we just NEED someone to act as Batman. Just ANYONE who can at the very least help bring the story to light, and make people pay attention to this blatant lack of justice. Because honestly, it's like the guy said "What happened to Rehtaeh and her family is so horrible, so evil, I am ashamed that it happened in my country". It's just a horrible thing that has happened, and as Canadians or rather ANYONE and EVERYONE we should be not sitting idly by and letting rapists walk-away free when we have people being locked in the slammer for getting caught with a little bit of weed.

The very thing i dont like about the news related with anonymous is that they are often referred to as one group or one entity.
The very thing about anon is that they are none of that. Literally anybody with a proxy can be Anon.
The people don't know whether to be sick of them or praise them for actions like these. They shouldn't be either of those. Chances are that the people whatever theyre doing under the anon disguise are not the same who may done that heroic/douchebaggy thing last time.

and besides Anonymous just used to be remorseless trolls from 4chan until someone thought to use the name to protest

As much as I'd love to see those bastards get served swift justice, preferably justice in the form of having their balls sliced off and served to them on a skillet; but I question the wisdom of recruiting Anonymous.

Draconalis:

emeraldrafael:

And now they're more or less issuing a small vague threat against the mounties, and I cant imagine that's a good idea since the mounties can literally charge anywhere they want in the world and bring you to canada for justice

I doubt this is true... you can't just go into another nation and arrest their citizens.

well you have to commit a crime in canada first, but with how the internet is and the "laws" in place over it, i dont know what would and wouldnt justify as a crime "committed in canada." But if you do that they can come find your ass. I may be reading this wrong, but it certainly sounds like it considering if tthey come to your country you have/are obligated to comply and let them do their duty and bring justice back to canadian borders.

nathan-dts:

emeraldrafael:

nathan-dts:
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The justice system is evidently flawed given that they weren't charged. These people ruined someone's life to the point that they took their own life. Someone has to be going through huge amounts of mental anguish to do that; that warrants a punishment that the courts don't give out, anymore.

Everyone has this need for revenge, and if your loved one went through this and the culprits weren't punished, I imagine you'd want that same revenge.

Then its time for a reform of the justice system, not hire a group who borders on cyber terrorism to do it for you when they all and all can be argued as more evil because I'm sure every "justified" victim of Anon has had their life ruined.

and a friend did, it wasnt pretty after because she did get away with it because it was unthinkable that a woman would rape a man. Not one of us went after her with the intent of beating and abusing her, we just had to let it go.

maybe its just cause i dont like anon and think they do more harm than good (if they ever do any "real good") i just dont see the need for their involvement when they said they're not a personal army (despite it certainly looking that way) and after they decide to makea vague threat against a law/justice based organization. Nothing good is going to come from this other than four more kids will wind up either dead or severely beaten and four more families suffering because of the same mental anguish. Anon does not give slaps on the wrists, its always all in. and thats not how a society is supposed to work, especially one that is held to a somewhat morally high position like canada is.

These kids certainly need to be held accountable once its proven they're guilty, but anon is not the group that needs to be involved in doing so.

Never going to happen. Governments don't listen to their people, anymore.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but I'd still be pissed and I'm surprised she doesn't have to deal with vandalism for the rest of her life as well as verbal hate.

There's a difference between a family losing their daughter to suicide and families grieving the loss of their rapist sons; one of them was an undeserved loss and the others are completely warranted. I don't think capital punishment is morally wrong.

She is (or was in HS) know as the girl who you didnt date because it never worked out well for you. some way or another she got what she wanted and if you did anyhitng she would pull the "i'm a girl how could I do any of that when he's so much stronger and could have stopped me if he really wnated" card that gets her out of trouble. Vandalism is a bit strong, her family arent assholes so there's no reason to. I'm sure these boys parents didnt encourage their kids to rape that girl or help in any real discernable way. THats why I never understand crime against a perpetrator's family.

I'm for it to when and (if its every necessary such as killing someone like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy because thats a dangerous individual who went out and actually intended to kill someone), but how is killing and/or torturing 4 kids who had no intention of killing this girl (at least so far as revealed, unless there's a reliable source of one of them saying they planned to ridicule her till she committed suicide) going to make it right. Not to be an ass hole or insensitive but one family's anguish because their daughter is dead does not mean more than another family's anguish knowing their son is in jail, under constant threat of their life, and/or have to be "that family" now.

I'll simply say it again, its sad a girl committed suicide, if they did rape her they should be held accountable. its sad for the family who lost their daughter, and its sad for the families of the rapists they have to pay for the crimes of their sons int he social public eye, especially if any have siblings younger/older than them. I just dont see anon's involvement after being asked and stating you are not a personal army necessary.

How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

Why was this person BANNED for this post? It is a completely feasible scenario and within the same realms of possibility that she was actually raped.

Or do we have to condemn without trial, ignore due process and engage in vigilante activity whenever the words "rape", "bullying" and "suicide" are involved?

Apparently "alleged" doesn't exist in our vocabulary.

emeraldrafael:

well you have to commit a crime in canada first, but with how the internet is and the "laws" in place over it, i dont know what would and wouldnt justify as a crime "committed in canada." But if you do that they can come find your ass. I may be reading this wrong, but it certainly sounds like it considering if tthey come to your country you have/are obligated to comply and let them do their duty and bring justice back to canadian borders.

Chances are, Canada has to do the same thing every other country has to do when trying to arrest outside of their home nation. They have to get the nation the person is residing in to be extradited.

The nation which the fugitive resides doesn't have to do anything. Just because they say so on their website doesn't mean they have world wide authority. It's like you coming to my house and telling me that you're taking my dog and I have to comply. You know the answer you'd get? "Get the hell out of my house."

I'd like to point out that if the rape story was made up, going as far as taking nude pictures of yourself and committing suicide is a tad extreme, as far as framing other people goes.

There are circumstances where someone might lie about who did the raping, of course, but the main point of injustice here is that, evidently, virtually no effort was put into finding the culprit or, in fact, dealing with the situation on a legal level.

I'm not sure about Canada, but in the US, having group sex with an intoxicated minor and then circulating pornographic pictures of her is criminal. (By which I mean, if she was drunk and felt bad about it later, she'd still have the right to call rape on the guys.) And I guess that it's possible she willingly had sex with all of them whilst sober and let them take the picture before reconsidering, but Ockham's razor and whatnot.

Abomination:

How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

Why was this person BANNED for this post? It is a completely feasible scenario and within the same realms of possibility that she was actually raped.

Or do we have to condemn without trial, ignore due process and engage in vigilante activity whenever the words "rape", "bullying" and "suicide" are involved?

Apparently "alleged" doesn't exist in our vocabulary.

Wow... holy shit... concurred. Are we going to ban everyone who's said anything about due process?

I hope there is peace for her, whether in nothingness or whatever she believed in.

That being said, there are plenty of times I want to haul off and do what I think is right in order to see justice done.

But then I remember that would be my own justice. And in trying to accommodate everyone, we go by law, not personal feelings of justice.

While in a scenario where rapists go free, I would want to see the fuckers be put into the system... getting butt hurt and calling for others to break the law for my own sense of justice would be bad as well. I'm not going to quantify being as bad or less bad.. just bad.

However. If they did it And Anon gets them? I'll shake my head over the need for vigilante mob justice, not so much for what happens to them.

Unlike apparently everyone I think this kind of thing should not be allowed. Sending the vile contents of 4chan and the like at these people and their families (make no mistake, these guys don't screw around once they got their claws in a target) serves no purpose other then to add punishment without a trial.

innocent until proven guilty, as soon as you start handing out judgement outside the law you step unto a slipperly and extremely dangerous slope that you might not be able to get off. Yes, even if the law sometimes fails.

th3dark3rsh33p:

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

Teenagers do a lot of things that are really really short sighted. Not justifying anything done by any side but teenagers more often then not overreact significantly.

Very true, however even if it is agreed that they all had a consensual orgy with the recently deceased, the manner in which they behaved afterwards was still absolutely shameful.

I'm not going to shed any tears if it all comes back to haunt them.

el_kabong:
I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

The Laws are just things created by men who do their best to put judgement on people. By that very definition, the law is not perfect because it was made by imperfect people. The problem is, when the law fails, you shouldn't just sit there and do nothing. I would rather have vigilante justice then a bureaucratic system that's more concerned with red tape then actual justice.

So Anonymous are on the case? Then I will sleep peaceably in my bed knowing rough men stand ready to do violence on my behalf.

DVS BSTrD:
And tell me, what happens when vigilante justice is the ONLY justice?

Alleged_Alec:
ALLEGED rapists.

What the bleeding fuck is happening to "innocent until proven otherwise"?

Yeah, because teenage girls kill themselves all the time over ALLEGED bullying.

Until such time as they are convicted of a crime it is appropriate to use the qualifying term alleged when speaking about crimes.

I'm very disturbed by this story, both by the perceived inaction of the Canadian legal system, and the involvement of Anonymous. If the people in question did commit such a hideous crime then they need to be held responsible, but involving an outlaw vigilante group isn't the way to do it.

Irridium:

So the photo of the attack they spread around the school doesn't count?

Maybe if it catches all of their names, faces and social security numbers on camera...

Its a nasty crime and a terrible story but I predict more than one person being falsely accused here and put in danger. This has lots of room to go very, very wrong.

Change the law, call for the case to be reopened but this is the wrong way to deal with things. Lynch mobs dont care if they get the wrong person.

Abomination:

How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

Why was this person BANNED for this post? It is a completely feasible scenario and within the same realms of possibility that she was actually raped.

Or do we have to condemn without trial, ignore due process and engage in vigilante activity whenever the words "rape", "bullying" and "suicide" are involved?

Apparently "alleged" doesn't exist in our vocabulary.

Draconalis:

Wow... holy shit... concurred. Are we going to ban everyone who's said anything about due process?

I'm gonna need to back this one up as well. I didn't like the guy's tone, but his point was perfectly valid.

What the hell are you guys playing at here?

AxelxGabriel:

el_kabong:
I'm a man who believes in "rule of law", maybe to a fault. So, to me, this call to vigilantism seems to be counteractive to the actual "justice" they seek. If their plan succeeds, they will simply be subjecting more people to the same kind of bullying that the original victim suffered through. Torturing terrorists doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a terrorist, too.

If you feel that some injustice has been committed, then work within the system. While I'm not completely familiar with Canadian laws, it seems that they should have some sort of legal process through which one can try to bring true justice to the criminals in question or at least work to prevent things like this from happening in the future. However, if you subvert the law to your own ends, you are indicating that the very justice you are seeking does not apply to you. It's incredibly hypocritical and not at all productive from a societal growth standpoint.

The Laws are just things created by men who do their best to put judgement on people. By that very definition, the law is not perfect because it was made by imperfect people. The problem is, when the law fails, you shouldn't just sit there and do nothing. I would rather have vigilante justice then a bureaucratic system that's more concerned with red tape then actual justice.

I'm not claiming that laws can't be flawed. However, a society without rule of law, where all citizens are deemed to have equal treatment under the laws created, is anarchy and doesn't have a place in a representative democracy. The citizens elected their officials who, in turn, create the laws. If the citizen elect officials that create laws that are unfair or detrimental to the society at large, it's up to the citizenry to work to repeal or modify those laws by pressuring their representatives accordingly.

Using lynch-mob mentality and terrorist tactics are a disservice to a civilized democracy. All you're doing with the tactics listed in the article is punishing a sacrificial red herring while the unjust law remains in place to create more victims and outrage. If you want to expend energy fighting for the victims, fight the law and help ensure that others don't suffer the same injustice. Vengeance is a selfish thing and rarely does it result in real, lasting justice.

Therumancer:
One of the cardinal rules of Anonymous is also that they are not anyone's personal army.

I don't know, seeing as Kinsella appears to have successfully sicced them on the NDP provincial premier and the cop who headed security for the the federal Conservatives' last G8/G20/Gwhatever shindig, even specifying the Thursday Night All-You-Can-Dox Platter.

el_kabong:

I'm not claiming that laws can't be flawed. However, a society without rule of law, where all citizens are deemed to have equal treatment under the laws created, is anarchy and doesn't have a place in a representative democracy. The citizens elected their officials who, in turn, create the laws. If the citizen elect officials that create laws that are unfair or detrimental to the society at large, it's up to the citizenry to work to repeal or modify those laws by pressuring their representatives accordingly.

Using lynch-mob mentality and terrorist tactics are a disservice to a civilized democracy. All you're doing with the tactics listed in the article is punishing a sacrificial red herring while the unjust law remains in place to create more victims and outrage. If you want to expend energy fighting for the victims, fight the law and help ensure that others don't suffer the same injustice. Vengeance is a selfish thing and rarely does it result in real, lasting justice.

There are plenty of examples in history where you really can't fight agaisnt unjust laws. Like Tyranny or fascist states. If anyone even slightly went agaisnt even the smallest of laws, you were killed. Do you seriously think anyone would listen to or support someone who's against a law against such power? Are you saying the Founding fathers of America, instead of revolution should've just made a bill to be heard by the English? Should the Jews should've just made a representative vote in Nazi Germany?

Besides, when it comes to laws nowadays, it's not about keeping peace, it's about maintaining order. An order that has become so cold and detrimental that it forgets that laws were meant to serve man, not the other way around.

The problem you're missing about the article is that the girl's family WENT to the law and by that VERY law, she's going to get ZERO justice. It's clear the law is flawed and should be changed,but that does NOT mean we should stand around and the girl's rapists get away with it while we wait for months or even years for the rules to be changed, even if they would be at all.

el_kabong:

I'm not claiming that laws can't be flawed. However, a society without rule of law, where all citizens are deemed to have equal treatment under the laws created, is anarchy and doesn't have a place in a representative democracy. The citizens elected their officials who, in turn, create the laws. If the citizen elect officials that create laws that are unfair or detrimental to the society at large, it's up to the citizenry to work to repeal or modify those laws by pressuring their representatives accordingly.

Using lynch-mob mentality and terrorist tactics are a disservice to a civilized democracy. All you're doing with the tactics listed in the article is punishing a sacrificial red herring while the unjust law remains in place to create more victims and outrage. If you want to expend energy fighting for the victims, fight the law and help ensure that others don't suffer the same injustice. Vengeance is a selfish thing and rarely does it result in real, lasting justice.

Anonymous is literally asking for proper legal action to take place. They're threatening to trigger a vigilante reaction if they don't get what they want, yes, but asking for the government to enforce it's own laws is not what I'd call anarchism.

AxelxGabriel:

el_kabong:

I'm not claiming that laws can't be flawed. However, a society without rule of law, where all citizens are deemed to have equal treatment under the laws created, is anarchy and doesn't have a place in a representative democracy. The citizens elected their officials who, in turn, create the laws. If the citizen elect officials that create laws that are unfair or detrimental to the society at large, it's up to the citizenry to work to repeal or modify those laws by pressuring their representatives accordingly.

Using lynch-mob mentality and terrorist tactics are a disservice to a civilized democracy. All you're doing with the tactics listed in the article is punishing a sacrificial red herring while the unjust law remains in place to create more victims and outrage. If you want to expend energy fighting for the victims, fight the law and help ensure that others don't suffer the same injustice. Vengeance is a selfish thing and rarely does it result in real, lasting justice.

There are plenty of examples in history where you really can't fight agaisnt unjust laws. Like Tyranny or fascist states.

Last I checked, neither Canada or the US is under a dictatorship. Citizens have plenty of right to legal and just action in these places to revoke laws that don't involve terrorism and harassment. We're not talking about a government that rules by divine right or are appointed for life. Politicians have a shelf life. They have power because their people gave it to them and it's their people's to take away. Speak through legal political activism. If you're content to beat up symptoms while the problem at large remains unresolved, you serve no one but your own personal motivations and the agenda of politicians who would rather take shots at easy punching bags rather than putting in the work needed to facilitate real change.

Also, way to invoke Godwin's Law. I expected it eventually. Because, you know, some criminals falling through the cracks due to bureaucracy is TOTALLY on par with the attempted extermination of an entire people by a military state.

Quantum Glass:

el_kabong:

I'm not claiming that laws can't be flawed. However, a society without rule of law, where all citizens are deemed to have equal treatment under the laws created, is anarchy and doesn't have a place in a representative democracy. The citizens elected their officials who, in turn, create the laws. If the citizen elect officials that create laws that are unfair or detrimental to the society at large, it's up to the citizenry to work to repeal or modify those laws by pressuring their representatives accordingly.

Using lynch-mob mentality and terrorist tactics are a disservice to a civilized democracy. All you're doing with the tactics listed in the article is punishing a sacrificial red herring while the unjust law remains in place to create more victims and outrage. If you want to expend energy fighting for the victims, fight the law and help ensure that others don't suffer the same injustice. Vengeance is a selfish thing and rarely does it result in real, lasting justice.

Anonymous is literally asking for proper legal action to take place. They're threatening to trigger a vigilante reaction if they don't get what they want, yes, but asking for the government to enforce it's own laws is not what I'd call anarchism.

I know. How weird is it that Anonymous is the voice of reason? I was trying to focus more on the people calling on them for illegal action (or "justice" as they like to call it). I actually meant no slight to Anonymous in this situation, as they appear to be making the right call (at least the one that aligns with my personal feelings on the necessity of rule of law). Though, who knows how long that is going to last.

el_kabong:
I know. How weird is it that Anonymous is the voice of reason? I was trying to focus more on the people calling on them for illegal action (or "justice" as they like to call it). I actually meant no slight to Anonymous in this situation, as they appear to be making the right call (at least the one that aligns with my personal feelings on the necessity of rule of law). Though, who knows how long that is going to last.

So... essentially you know you've got a screw loose if Anonymous appears to be the level headed one in a conversation?

Abomination:

How do we know this chick really was raped?

For all we know she got drunk, let the crew hit it, and then felt bad about it the next day.

Calling for a witch hunt before getting all of the facts together is a terrible idea.

Why was this person BANNED for this post? It is a completely feasible scenario and within the same realms of possibility that she was actually raped.

Or do we have to condemn without trial, ignore due process and engage in vigilante activity whenever the words "rape", "bullying" and "suicide" are involved?

Apparently "alleged" doesn't exist in our vocabulary.

Given the low number of posts and general vibe from that user, I wouldn't be surprised if they were a banjumper come back for round 2. Of course, you'd have to ask a mod to be sure.

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