Scottish Police Blame Throat Slashing on Gears of War

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AgentLampshade:
Yep, that sound like us alright.

All of it. The 13-years-old-with-child included. There's a dude in my town who got his cousin pregnant at 13

Ilikemilkshake:
Yeah, Clydebank represent!
Sadly it isn't all that surprising that it happened here... Yeah, this has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with Socio-economic problems surrounding Clydebank.

See, the Scots understand! This isn't gaming culture or hip-hop culture like @Therumancer was talking about.. it's just some wee rocket from an area of Glasgow where stabbing someone is considered appropriate conflict resolution. He'd be chibbing folk, if he hasn't before already, at the drop of a hat without the X-Box being any kind of tenuous instigator.

DVS BSTrD:
image Please! Do they even have chainsaws in Scotland?

Argh, what's that gif from? I recognise it but can't remember. Please put me out of my misery or I'll slash ye.

Couple of things here: 1, Daily Mail. That kind of says all that needs to be said about it right there.

But also, this stuff won't go away if we keep giving these old fogeys a platform. A cop should know better than to blame a murder on a bloody piece of media, but then I guess cops aren't known for their stellar judgement... ironically enough. Gaming is not this heavily persecuted infant medium anymore, we haven't had a real issue outside of Australia, China, or Germany since Hillary Clinton went on her anti-GTA crusade in the early 2000's, and Australia at least is finally joining the 21st century. Any and all cases like this, where gaming is blamed for something horrible, are pretty much guaranteed to be coming from some old fart so out of touch with reality that nobody in their right mind would take them seriously. Writing articles about the crap that dribbles out of their mouths is giving them undue credence. It's like saying Jim Crow laws are coming back because somebody has a racist grandpa.

Meh, of course they do. Police do things to make themselves look stupid all the time. That would be like blaming Match.com if you picked up a stalker from a date through the site. They met and communicated in game, that is all. The fact that one of them was unsettled enough to to slash another kids throat says a whole lot more about his psychiatric health than it does violent videogames.

This is shoddy and lazy police work, to seek a boogie man than to blame the child who committed the crime.

Adam Jensen:
And what game should we blame for his lack of knowledge about contraceptives?

Fable 2. That game awarded you with Good points/Purity for having protected sex and Evil points/Corruption for having unprotected sex.

Obviously the kid was trying to be a badass Corrupt Hero like in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he avoid vegetables and mostly consumed meat and alcohol for similar reasons.

They blame Gears of War, huh? That's funny, because I blame Scotland. Why don't you work on creating a safe environment and then when you've worked that out, we can look for other causes for the crimes which occur.

How is this a 'blame game'? There is a REASON that Gears of War is an 'R' rated game!

Adam Jensen:
And what game should we blame for his lack of knowledge about contraceptives?

why don't we blame this game http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/31/conception-please-have-my-baby-is-the-real-name-of-a-game-that-actually-exists.aspx

Teoes:

DVS BSTrD:
image
Please! Do they even have chainsaws in Scotland?

Argh, what's that gif from? I recognise it but can't remember. Please put me out of my misery or I'll slash ye.

Dragon Heart:
Which coincidentally stars a rather famous Scotsman
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Teoes:

AgentLampshade:
Yep, that sound like us alright.

All of it. The 13-years-old-with-child included. There's a dude in my town who got his cousin pregnant at 13

Ilikemilkshake:
Yeah, Clydebank represent!
Sadly it isn't all that surprising that it happened here... Yeah, this has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with Socio-economic problems surrounding Clydebank.

See, the Scots understand! This isn't gaming culture or hip-hop culture like @Therumancer was talking about.. it's just some wee rocket from an area of Glasgow where stabbing someone is considered appropriate conflict resolution. He'd be chibbing folk, if he hasn't before already, at the drop of a hat without the X-Box being any kind of tenuous instigator.

DVS BSTrD:
image Please! Do they even have chainsaws in Scotland?

Argh, what's that gif from? I recognise it but can't remember. Please put me out of my misery or I'll slash ye.

the GIF is from Dragon Heart i believe.

So that was also used as a method of execution in Braveheart. Do we blame the movie as well?

...But his victim ducked behind cover, held his hand to his throat, and in about thirty seconds was right as rain.

ARGH. It's not the video games, people. Or the movies. Or the television, the rock & roll, the comics, or the jazz. It's not The Catcher in the Rye, Taxi Driver, the Bible, or the Boy Scout Handbook. Some people are broken. And if the people who are part of their lives care and pay attention, there's a chance they get help putting themselves back together before they do something like this.

Actually, people who are not soldiers, criminals or hitmen often botch throat-slashing attempts. If you pull a person's head backwards to expose the throat, you will actually be protecting the jugulars with the windpipe (assuming a horizontal cut in the anteriormost part of the throat).

Other than that, the blame laid at the game's feet is ridiculous. That kid had no moral compass or empathy. It would have started stabbing people sooner or later.

lacktheknack:
He has his own child?

Well, clearly, saying his parents should pay more attention to what he does is a useless avenue.

Ironically, his child is based on the bad morals of piracy. You know, unauthorised reproduction....

...I feel so dirty.

But seriously, unless the kid is also the fault of video games, I don't think we can really point to this being a case of corrupted morals from an electronic source. Something's already fucked up in this kid's life.

VoidWanderer:
How is this a 'blame game'? There is a REASON that Gears of War is an 'R' rated game!

The reason being kids shouldn't be exposed to it, not "kids will turn into murderers because of it."

There are worlds of difference there.

DVS BSTrD:
Dragon Heart:
Which coincidentally stars a rather famous Scotsman

Mel Gibson?

Really? I blame the throat slasher...

At least the other kid is alive!

Andy Chalk:

Unfortunately, the roots of their connection and conflict have police once again blaming games for causing violence. "The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct," Brown told the court.

You know, the prosecuting QC saying that a particular police officer thought that games "may have been a factor" doesn't really translate to "police blame slashing on gears of war". Honestly, your headline in more disingenuous than the one in the Mail, and that's pretty stiff competition you have there.

Andy Chalk:
....slashing his throat deeply enough to expose his windpipe and causing a wound that required surgery and 20 staples to close....told his victim, "Don't die," before "calmly walking off."

I don't think video games make you this insanely delusional/psychotic.

Oh look, another tragic case of bad parenting blamed on video games.

Callate:
It's not the video games, people. Or the movies. Or the television, the rock & roll, the comics, or the jazz. It's not The Catcher in the Rye, Taxi Driver, the Bible, or the Boy Scout Handbook.

But this does come from the Daily Mail, the spiteful bile-drenched rag that tries to convince its readers that all social ills would be cured if only Diana were still alive...

I feel sorry for the victim, and although we do have laws in this country prohibiting minors from buying mature material the fact that this kid was already a 'parent' (in the loosest possible sense of the term) is a pretty strong indication that the wheels fell off his ride long before video games even had a chance to fuck him up.

I could only roll my eyes when I read this article in the local paper this morning (well, the free one you get on the bus). Especially when it concludes the article by pointing out that one of the kids involved had a child of his own. As of course that's of much less significance when considering the kids background than the fact he was playing an 18-rated game.

I wonder if his parents (maybe just celebrating their 30th birthday themselves) were looking after his child while he was out trying to cut his gaming friends throat.

Zachary Amaranth:

DVS BSTrD:
Dragon Heart:
Which coincidentally stars a rather famous Scotsman

Mel Gibson?

That was Braveheart, though Dragonheart was the sequel, so you were pretty close. We all remember William Wallace got resurrected as a dragon, right?

To be fair, I think they aren't actually wrong.

"The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,"

This is a far cry away from "video games did it" but that they MAY, and let me reiterate MAY have been a FACTOR, that is a PART of his conduct. I see nothing that would deem this actually incorrect. If this person has a kid at 13, they're clearly impulsive and they clearly don't think things through.

I love how they sling aligations like that around all willy-nilly without proof. I fully agree that underage kids shouldn't be playing games that are rated Mature, but to say that they inspire violence is the same straw-man argument as saying guns kill people. Well if that's true, then I guess hammers build houses and cars drive people to where they need to go.

The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,

The quote should go on to say "And he has absolutely no evidence to back up that opinion."

Rex Dark:
Oh look, another tragic case of bad parenting blamed on video games.

My diagnosis?

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Bad babysitting I mean, parenting....

MarsProbe:

I wonder if his parents (maybe just celebrating their 30th birthday themselves) were looking after his child while he was out trying to cut his gaming friends throat.

I wonder if he told them where he was going....

That was Braveheart, though Dragonheart was the sequel, so you were pretty close. We all remember William Wallace got resurrected as a dragon, right?

Don't be ridiculous. William Wallace was Australian.

Someone should inform Scottish Police that throat slashing was around before television and people did it for less reasons I imagine.

Why is it allowed for people to get up on a soap box and say incredible ignorant statements like this without someone also coming up and stating the painfully obvious that there's many factors in this and one of them I imagine may be the person being mentally ill.

How stupid would this person feel if someone pointed out "Hey you know this game sold millions of copies and we're not hearing a lot of slashings so what do you make of that?"

This could be taken out of context then again, not so much that it's the fault of the game but an argument over it, I just find it insane how many times a medium can get blamed for murdering...and the more serious reasons like mentally ill, on heavy meds to keep them level are all ignored. It's just a strange agenda that really needs to get stopped.

AC10:
To be fair, I think they aren't actually wrong.

"The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,"

This is a far cry away from "video games did it" but that they MAY, and let me reiterate MAY have been a FACTOR, that is a PART of his conduct. I see nothing that would deem this actually incorrect. If this person has a kid at 13, they're clearly impulsive and they clearly don't think things through.

You know, you make a lot of sense, but I'm going to rage anyway!

RJ 17:
The quote should go on to say "And he has absolutely no evidence to back up that opinion."

I'm sorry, what evidence would he need to back up the opinion that in his estimation violent video games may have been a factor?

RJ 17:
I love how they sling aligations like that around all willy-nilly without proof. I fully agree that underage kids shouldn't be playing games that are rated Mature, but to say that they inspire violence is the same straw-man argument as saying guns kill people. Well if that's true, then I guess hammers build houses and cars drive people to where they need to go.

The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,

The quote should go on to say "And he has absolutely no evidence to back up that opinion."

The problem is, plebs, particularly right wing plebs who read the daily mail, will assume it was down to video games, no ifs or buts about it, despite studies from a fuck load of sources almost conclusively disproving the link.

Snotnarok:
Someone should inform Scottish Police that throat slashing was around before television and people did it for less reasons I imagine.

Yeah, but to be fair most of the violent crime in Scotland is drug related and at only 13 years of age this kid has probably been clean for five years.

Zachary Amaranth:

RJ 17:
The quote should go on to say "And he has absolutely no evidence to back up that opinion."

I'm sorry, what evidence would he need to back up the opinion that in his estimation violent video games may have been a factor?

None if it was just one jackass expressing his opinion which didn't really matter on the case. But seeing as how they're taking said opinion as fact without any evidence to support it, we run into a bit of a problem, as expressed perfectly by robson here:

jrobson68:

RJ 17:
I love how they sling aligations like that around all willy-nilly without proof. I fully agree that underage kids shouldn't be playing games that are rated Mature, but to say that they inspire violence is the same straw-man argument as saying guns kill people. Well if that's true, then I guess hammers build houses and cars drive people to where they need to go.

The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,

The quote should go on to say "And he has absolutely no evidence to back up that opinion."

The problem is, plebs, particularly right wing plebs who read the daily mail, will assume it was down to video games, no ifs or buts about it, despite studies from a fuck load of sources almost conclusively disproving the link.

My point exactly.

Another disgusting case where parenting issues, insanity and even underage sex are sidelined in favor of blaming video games.
Now, I completely agree that minors should not be playing R rated video games, though that's the parents job, not the game industry's (though making it easier for parents to realize that consoles can do the work for you would be a step up). I mean, how fucking hard is it to pick up a game box and notice the ESRB rating?! "Hmm, maybe my 13 year old should not be playing this R18 game, because that label MAY be here FOR A REASON." For the love of god, even if you don't give two shits about video games, you must watch movies, right? They have age ratings too!

"Online gaming may be outside [the] parents' knowledge. We need to look again at what we can do to stop this."

Bullshit. You are mistaking the vast, near limitless internet for a single CD. If my kids are playing Super Mario, I know it's not going to start shooting up porn the moment they start the online mode. If they play Gears of War, I know it's going to be violent and gritty regardless of whether they're playing it online or offline. Chat messaging aside, a game does NOT just leap up the age rating scale the moment you start playing online.

I can even understand claims that video games may make an already psychotic person even more deranged (you can't deny violence is glorified or at least amplified a lot in games), but this is just a whole new level of ridiculous. I'm sorry, it's not the video games to blame, it's a mixture of the fact that the kid is a complete amoral loony, and that the parents just do not give a fuck about him.

krazykidd:
But i fail to see how his parents are at fault . He's 13 , they are no longer following him around wherever he goes . I don't know about you , but when i was 13 , my parents weren't exacly breathing down my neck everytime i wanted to go somewhere . And teenagers lie all the time about where they are and who they're with . So if this kid wants to go out and have sex , he will regardless of what his parents say/think .

Also , we got 16 , hell 20 year olds having unprotected sex and getting pregnant , is it really surprising that a 13 year old kid didn't use protection?

I really, really hope you are trolling. By that logic we shouldn't be surprised when eight year olds start having sex in the near future. Plus, the law states that you're allowed to have sex when you reach the age of 16 (at least it does in NZ), plus you technically aren't a kid at 16 (and sure as hell not at 20, what the fuck?), so yes, it IS surprising.

If you are not willing to spend time with your children, show at least some interest in what they like doing and care about keeping tabs what they are doing and where they are going, YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING CHILDREN. You are basically saying that parents have zero responsibility over their children, which is just plain wrong in so many, many ways. I don't need to 'breath down my kid's neck' to know what their hobbies are and the dangers of said hobby, or teach them how babies are born and why they really, really don't want one when they are just kids themselves. I'm sorry, but suggesting that because I'm not able to keep surveillance on my kids 24/7, I don't have to bother with the bare basics of parenting at all, is just simply ludicrous.

Yes, teenagers lie, and they lie a lot, but I'd like to think I may just notice it if my teenagers bring a baby into the house.

AC10:
To be fair, I think they aren't actually wrong.

"The reporting officer was of the opinion that the violent videogames played online by the accused may have been a factor in his conduct,"

This is a far cry away from "video games did it" but that they MAY, and let me reiterate MAY have been a FACTOR, that is a PART of his conduct. I see nothing that would deem this actually incorrect. If this person has a kid at 13, they're clearly impulsive and they clearly don't think things through.

I think it's not so much the violent nature of the game itself, but the competitive nature of the online game and the antagonistic argument that followed.

I think this still would have happened if they'd been playing a non-violent competitive game like FIFA and one player's defeat devolved into a heated argument with insults and goading.

A lot of people who spend a lot of time playing competitive online games like to win at any cost and hate to lose, but some people take bad sportsmanship too far.

Citing the violent nature of the game instead of the fierce competition is, in my opinion, ignoring (or not even seeing) the real issue in favour of the low hanging fruit that is videogame violence.

The are lots of cases of people reacting violently to a loss or bad decision against them in a competitive environment (e.g. sports matches, competition in business and work and even Road Rage where the competition is only in one person's head), but because most competitive videogames are violent in nature, when it happens over a videogame the violence is often blamed instead of the intense competition and bad sportsmanship.

I don't have time for this shit anymore.

He has a kid? K.

So there really is a conspiracy to destroy the concept of family, and blame everything on unrelated things. Absent family, class warfare turmoil, struggling to stay middle-class and hoping tomorrow isn't the day you lose everything....

Nah, video games.

DVS BSTrD:
Please! Do they even have chainsaws in Scotland?

Ha, to trim their beards, maybe! I thought everyone knew that if a Scotsman wants to fell a tree, they just gave it a swift kick and a cold grimace.

Zachary Amaranth:

DVS BSTrD:
Dragon Heart:
Which coincidentally stars a rather famous Scotsman

Mel Gibson?

notsureifjoking
Pretty sure it was William Shatner. I know for sure it wasn't Sean Connery, I didn't see him anywhere in the movie.

OT: This is just disgusting, it's bad enough that he tried to kill someone he was friends with, but doing it over some name-calling?

Teoes:
13 year-old Clydebank resident with his own wean, stabs another boy over some name-calling? Aye, sounds about right.

Sad but true, and not just in Clydebank. "Provocation by respiration" is a common if ineffective legal defense here in the west of Scotland.

Grouchy Imp:
Yeah, but to be fair most of the violent crime in Scotland is drug related and at only 13 years of age this kid has probably been clean for five years.

Hey man, that's not cool. I'm not saying it's not true, but there's no need to draw attention to it ;)

-Nick

I would feel more persuaded if the kid used a chainsaw to do it. Also I am most dubious about the 13 year old boy having a child, the Daily Mail is a rag covered in nonsense.

martyrdrebel27:
two things.

1. the fact that he's 13 and has a child of his own proves that his parents are absent and inneffective, and with the xbox's parental controls, they could have prevented his exposure. although i dont blame the game at all.

2. he slashed the kid's throat deep enough to expose the windpipe and he didn't die? that's pretty hardcore. i usually think of throat-slashing as a death sentence. he's gonna have a badass scar.

slashing the windpipe itself is not necessarily a death sentence, if the assailant missed the jugular vein and carotid artery, it's quite possible to survive. That being said, the victim is damned lucky.

As for the original post

Subatomic:
snip

the tracheotomy is actually fairly common in real life, it's primarily used for patients on ventilators or those who have severe damage the the nose, mouth and upper throat, my dad had one after his car accident in 1995.

BlackFlyme:
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Sean Connery voiced Draco in Dragonheart

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