PS4 Will Not Need To Be Always Online

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PS4 Will Not Need To Be Always Online

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Shuhei Yoshida of Sony Worldwide Studios confirms that always online was never on the cards for the PS4.

"Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it," says Shuhei Yoshida of Sony Worldwide Studios, thus putting to rest any rumor that the PS4, Sony's much-touted next-gen console, might require an always online internet connection. It wouldn't be good for Sony's customers, Yoshida explained, which meant that always online wouldn't be good for Sony.

"Many countries don't have robust internet connections," said Yoshida. "It makes sense for people to have internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet." Controversy over always-on connections have been raging ever since the new consoles were announced, but this is the first time a senior executive at Sony has confirmed, unequivocally, that its console won't need one. Microsoft has yet to positively confirm that its Xbox 720 / Durango won't need an always-on connection, though there have been leaks that suggest it might be possible to play single player games without an internet feed.

If the Xbox 720 did ship with an always-online requirement, and if Sony were to follow through on its boast that its launch line-up will be the strongest in its history, the PS4 could end up with a significant advantage over its rival console.

Source: Eurogamer

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Offtopic, but the first picture we ever saw of a PS4 controller didn't look great, but it looks really sleek in this official picture

OT: I'm glad Sony isn't insane

Originally, I thought I was just gonna get a Wii-U because it's the only console that didn't look horrible. But if Sony are actually smart enough to not do always-online, I may buy the PS4 too. Stil keeping my PS3 around though, at least until they make the PS4 backwards compatible and let you use your PSN stuff.

The line in the sand has been drawn. Your move, Microsoft.

After spending the current console generation as a PC gamer and seeing a lot more interesting and innovative exclusives on the PS3 than the Xbox, that was the last piece of news I needed before deciding to start the next generation with a PS4.

I find it depressing that 'this isnt always-online' is an actual legitimate SELLING POINT now -_-

If I were Sony I would be banging this drum as loudly as I could if/when it gets confirmed Microsoft is going to go the always online route.

However, even with all the evidence we have that the Nextbox will be always online I still can't think Microsoft would be stupid enough to go that route. I firmly believe that doing so will result in severely damaging in the long run despite how attractive it might be to Microsoft and the various publishers.

BrotherRool:
Offtopic, but the first picture we ever saw of a PS4 controller didn't look great, but it looks really sleek in this official picture

OT: I'm glad Sony isn't insane

Better yet, it looks ergonomic. Took them some time to realize that it's a good idea to design a controller that naturally fits in a person's hands. But ah well, better late than never.

As for this news, good as well.

Well I'm certainly glad to have this confirmed, I will never own any console that forces 24/7 internet connection, no effing way.

My initial response was a pleasant satisfaction.

My second was a feeling of sadness that this even had to be in debate.

Sony, you made the right choice. I'm not sure I believe the "we never considered it" bit, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt I suppose, given that you made the only sensible choice (as obvious as it was).

I don't particularly care what Microsoft chooses, as I'm only really interested in the PS4 of the big three, but my brother is quite fond of some of their games and that might affect his choice.

I have information, from a credible anonymous source, that the PS4 will feature Massively Single-player Offline games.

its like every other week a sony exec thinks "hoiw shall we dig at the xbox? I know!"

and Microsoft is like a unmoving target, saying nothing, and as far as many are concerned admiting by refusing to comment

methinks sony is winning the PR war this time

This gets me really curious as to what MS is planning

HalfTangible:
I find it depressing that 'this isnt always-online' is an actual legitimate SELLING POINT now -_-

Depressing, yes; but a selling point made necessary by Microsoft.

This is one of those moment when capitalism shines. Mega-corporation decides to screw consumers & advantage goes to the guy that decides not to. Beautiful move by Sony

Even though I spent this last game generation in favor of the 360... I definitely think that if I ever get around to upgrading to next-gen, it may very well be the PS4. My internet is crap, and I generally prefer offline play (single player and local multiplayer). In addition to this, what I've seen from the ps4 so far looks really impressive.
I think they may have just won me over.

Again, why have we reached the point at which it needs to be confirmed that software won't ship crippled?

I think people miss something important about Microsoft and their always on threat... we like to think that "well they'll lose big time money and Sony will dominate the console cycle."

But there is one caveat.
We buy these systems to play GAMES, and game developers care only about SELLING games to MAKE MONEY.

So here is how I see things going down:

Microsoft forces always on on it's consumer base. Some will balk, some will still say what's the big deal.
Resell value of Xbox games plummets, damaging used game companies and forcing people to pay full price for new titles.

(Here is where it gets interesting)

The Gaming industry sees a rise in PROFITS due to the larger sales of new titles and lack of the used resale loophole. Resale and piracy of PS4 titles makes that console less appealing to developers who only care about the bottomline.

Call of Duty is the first major title to move to exclusive Xbox due to this.
It will still sell MILLIONS of copies, since most of it's players already use internet to play multiplayer.

Other companies follow suit, preferring to roll the dice with the Xbox knowing that for all its sqawking and belly aching, gamers have an itch that needs scratching, and the dwindling PS4 titles worth playing won't be enough to keep people from giving in and buying Always on Xboxes because PC gaming is still too complicated/costly for the average consumer who doesn't want to deal with OS's and Drivers and Memory and graphics cards and other such potential issues.

3 or 4 years from now, most households will have some basic form of wifi or internet that is always on anyway (nobody cares about undeveloped nations since they don't contribute much to the gaming industry profits anyways.

People will eventually forget why they ever cared about always on because it becomes the norm.

Sony eventually moves to Always on to woo back third party developers to increase and revive their ailing stable of titles. After all, he said that the PS4 will not "NEED" to be always online... not that it CAN'T or WON'T.

That's one possible way things can go down, and I'm not quite confident it won't happen this way. Sure, us hardcore game loving types seem to care about always on, but there's an extremely large casual/mainstream audience of kids, ignorant parents, and people who just don't give a frak about this "controversy" that won't know or care or be deterred from having another Xbox (their current console of choice that is familiar to them) and those are the people Microsoft might be thinking of and who will make Always Online consoles par for the course.

HalfTangible:
I find it depressing that 'this isnt always-online' is an actual legitimate SELLING POINT now -_-

I know what you mean.

It's like a restaurant using "Our staff wash their hands!" as a form of advertising.

Britishfan:
Sony: 1
Microsoft: 0

Surely Sony have more than one point? Adam Orth scored an own-goal remember.

ticklefist:
After spending the current console generation as a PC gamer and seeing a lot more interesting and innovative exclusives on the PS3 than the Xbox, that was the last piece of news I needed before deciding to start the next generation with a PS4.

Welcome, pull up a chair and enjoy awesome games with no online subscription, ads or other horrible consumer relations, and welcome back to just playing the games with nothing between you and said game.

HalfTangible:
I find it depressing that 'this isnt always-online' is an actual legitimate SELLING POINT now -_-

It's very depressing that this has even become an issue, I've literally been looking at other hobbies as backup, and yes I'm ashamed as I've grown up on gaming but if it goes down the path rumours are saying about the xbox, well I won't be apart of that.

HyenaThePirate:
*snip*

A rather big wrench in that, if people are forced to pay full price without being able to resell the games then sales will drop for the simple fact that most people can't afford many games at full price, so overall the amount of sales will drop. Weather the money lost will be more than gained from new sales is up for conjecture. This is ofcourse assuming people would follow said games, you forget that good game or not there are alot of people who literally cannot use an always online console so they would go for Sony regardless because it's all that would work for them.
I am not affected by the net issue nor do I have issues with money, but I wont get a nextbox if even half the rumors are true on principle alone, considering I didn't get the 360 till a few months ago I already know that ms has nothing worth the price of admission.

CriticalMiss:

Britishfan:
Sony: 1
Microsoft: 0

Surely Sony have more than one point? Adam Orth scored an own-goal remember.

If I was actually start keeping score it would be reminiscent of cricket, and I try to repress those high school memories as much as possible.

He didn't outright say it like this, but you can tell Yoshida was thinking "Why the hell would we do that? Eliminating entire regions of potential sales is a terrible idea!"

Even if the next Xbox doesn't have an always-online requirement, it's painfully obvious that MS at least thought about it. The fact that it was never even considered for the PS4 gives me a fair bit of faith in the company.

P.S. Thanks

It really is amazing when people keep banging on about the xbox 720 is going to be always online despite the fact that it was leaked that it wouldn't require an always online connection to play games. Unfortunately, it appears the Escapist prefers to only mention the bad rumors but ignore the good ones like this http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155121-microsoft-the-xbox-720-wont-require-an-always-on-connection-to-play-games

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now if they tell us we won't be charged to hell for games on the new console we'll be golden

SSJBlastoise:
It really is amazing when people keep banging on about the xbox 720 is going to be always online despite the fact that it was leaked that it wouldn't require an always online connection to play games. Unfortunately, it appears the Escapist prefers to only mention the bad rumors but ignore the good ones like this http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155121-microsoft-the-xbox-720-wont-require-an-always-on-connection-to-play-games

The thing is that it had to be a leak, which is kind of fishy.

If it really wasn't going to be always online, why didn't Microsoft just come out and say it straight away?

Britishfan:

HyenaThePirate:
*snip*

A rather big wrench in that, if people are forced to pay full price without being able to resell the games then sales will drop for the simple fact that most people can't afford many games at full price, so overall the amount of sales will drop. Weather the money lost will be more than gained from new sales is up for conjecture. This is ofcourse assuming people would follow said games, you forget that good game or not there are alot of people who literally cannot use an always online console so they would go for Sony regardless because it's all that would work for them.
I am not affected by the net issue nor do I have issues with money, but I wont get a nextbox if even half the rumors are true on principle alone, considering I didn't get the 360 till a few months ago I already know that ms has nothing worth the price of admission.

People aren't going to stop buying games full stop, and it's not quite clear what the profits would look like when the used games stores are unable to sell games at a lower price forcing all game adopters to pay full retail for popular titles. I'm reasonably certain people won't just STOP buying games, although I suspect that they will be more selective in their game purchasing experiences. Neither seems to be as concerning to game developers as figuring out ways to make larger profits on the IP's they currently have, which is why we have less and less original IP's and more and more "sequels" that are coming annually now for full price.

Consider Call of Duty...
By the time the price drops enough to make purchasing Black OPs (for example) cheap enough to avoid excuses, a new iteration is hitting shelves and most of the mainstream moves on. Like, right now, if I go to buy BLOPs II, I'll be lucky to get about maybe 6 months of good enjoyment out of it before people have moved on to the next. Most of those people aren't buying it used either, they are first day adopters running out to get their hands on it within days of release.

Genocidicles:
The thing is that it had to be a leak, which is kind of fishy.

If it really wasn't going to be always online, why didn't Microsoft just come out and say it straight away?

I'm not denying that it may well have been a recent change but the fact that people are so willing to ignore it just so they can throw shit at a company. To address the not coming out previously, did Sony say anything before the reveal because I only remember a whole heap of rumors and nothing official from Sony? (but my memory is crap so I could be wrong.)

I mean, sure, it would have been good if they just came out and say it but I'd imagine any form of press release would be met with people whining about why didn't they announce more? It's just easier for them to announce it at the official reveal.

Sony at the moment is winning me over for the next generation, still waiting to see on the 21st if microsoft can avoid shooting itself in the foot ether by online DRM, blocking second hand games, and/or whoring itself out to the kinect 2.

The PS4 reveal was boring. Showing lots of features ive no interest in. Poor games shown. An yes i know they will show more officially on E3.Thing is all the crap im reading about MS next console will never happen. There wont be DRM, or always online and Kinect2 will be an extra and not needed to game.....unless its a kinect game. MS is not that stupid to destroy all the work and money to become a viable alternative to Playstation and a competitor to Sony.

So, yeah, for me its the games. An when E3 happens, thats all im interested in, not all the social media crap. Seriously, how many ways do people need to use FB? Why cant people just enjoy life without having to keep updating FB about it?

I had the the PSI/PS2 (greatest console ever) then Xbox/360 because PS3 sucked in my opinion. So now we shall see which console gets my attention at E3.

There are 3 different 360 consoles in this house. All of us were outraged at the 'always online' or 'block used games' news (assuming it's true). From that point forward, we have been waiting to see the news from Sony.

Assuming nothing changes, Sony just pre-sold 3 new consoles, and gained three new converts.

Not much else to say, other than kudos to the rarity of a corporation for not having a developed, 'first-world' centric view.

HyenaThePirate:

People aren't going to stop buying games full stop, and it's not quite clear what the profits would look like when the used games stores are unable to sell games at a lower price forcing all game adopters to pay full retail for popular titles. I'm reasonably certain people won't just STOP buying games, although I suspect that they will be more selective in their game purchasing experiences. Neither seems to be as concerning to game developers as figuring out ways to make larger profits on the IP's they currently have, which is why we have less and less original IP's and more and more "sequels" that are coming annually now for full price.

Consider Call of Duty...
By the time the price drops enough to make purchasing Black OPs (for example) cheap enough to avoid excuses, a new iteration is hitting shelves and most of the mainstream moves on. Like, right now, if I go to buy BLOPs II, I'll be lucky to get about maybe 6 months of good enjoyment out of it before people have moved on to the next. Most of those people aren't buying it used either, they are first day adopters running out to get their hands on it within days of release.

Assuming you were quoting me (the wording was me but it had another persons name), you seem to have ignored the part where I said "This is ofcourse assuming people would follow said games, you forget that good game or not there are alot of people who literally cannot use an always online console so they would go for Sony regardless because it's all that would work for them." Are you saying people will buy games they cannot play due to always online? I don't think you realise how many people would be effected. Xbox alone is estimated to have around 50% never being connected online, that's a sizable chunk of the consumer base that for various reasons don't go online.

Thank all that is holy for a voice of reason and a sane decision.

We are still waiting Microsoft, hopefully all of that silence is not an attempt to ackwardly backpedal and last-minute change the console.

The PS4 (despite its shortcommings) sounds more and more appealing compared to Microsoft's next construct, of which we know... well basicly little to nothing yet. We will see, but the bar has been raised quite a bit to begin with.

What you should really want to hear is "no DRM". "Not always-online" also applies to some of the worst 5 limit-activation DRM ever conceived on the PC.

HyenaThePirate:
[quote="Britishfan" post="7.407504.17002574"]

*snip*.

I don't think it was me you wanted to quote there....

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