Anti-Game Critic Says "This Generation Will Give You Massacres"

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Anti-Game Critic Says "This Generation Will Give You Massacres"

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

Noted videogame critic Lt. Col. Dave Grossman says the prevalence of violent videogames in contemporary society has sparked a dramatic uptick in real-world violence.

The name Dave Grossman may not be as instantly recognizable as, say, Jack Thompson or Michael Atkinson, but for those who follow this sort of thing the retired Lieutenant Colonel is a well-known figure. He's the author of several books, including Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill: A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence and On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, in which he claimed that violent media "is responsible for our rising rate of murder among the young."

It's a message that tends to resonate with a certain demographic and Grossman continues to speak to audiences on the topic, most recently on May 14 at the GovSec security conference in Washington DC, where he predicted a seriously unpleasant future for the U.S. and the world. "This generation is going to give you massacres in the domestic environment and in the work environment," he told his audience.

"There is a generation of vicious, vicious killers out there," he said. "The videogames are their trainers. They've been playing Grand Theft Auto every spare moment since they were six years old."

Grossman apparently believes that we need to take steps to stop violence in schools in the same way we've made an effort to prevent fires. He pointed out that dozens of children are killed in schools every year by gun-toting maniacs, while not one has died in a fire in more than 50 years. "We must prepare for violence like firefighters prepare for fires," he added.

His views tend to be on the extreme side, as evidenced by his statement that the U.S. is "going to get nuked" because it's too lax in dealing with foreign and domestic threats, but Grossman's background gives his words real heft among his audiences. He's a former West Point psychology professor, a professor of military science and U.S. Army Ranger, and also claims on his website to be "the founder of a new field of scientific endeavor" known as "killology." Nonetheless, the Government Security News website stated that his address was "long on emotion, and short on supportive evidence and detailed reasoning."

Somewhat ironically, Grossman didn't seem shy about exposing his own predisposition toward violence in the address. He warned that "all hell will break out" when the U.S. pulls out of Afghanistan and said there's only one way to deal with the worst of the nation's enemies. "We cannot deter these people," he said. "All we can do is track them down and kill them."

Source: Government Security News

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When I read comments like this and realise that these people are actually well respected and treated with deference by some people I get very scared.

Dear Mr. Grossman

I kill fake people. You kill real people. Yet I'm the murderer?

Go fuck yourself

That is all

Sincerely, someone with a working brain.

"We must prepare for violence like firefighters prepare for fires..."

Wait, is he suggesting that when someone gets shot in a school, a bell rings and all the students shuffle out in an organized manner?

guys we should listen to this man, he sounds like a professional

he's the founding father of killology

"There is a generation of vicious, vicious killers out there," he said. "The videogames are their trainers. They've been playing Grand Theft Auto every spare moment since they were six years old."

As opposed to people like you who make their CAREERS out of being vicious killers.

Ok, while we often refer to these people as nuts, this guy seems to be leading the pack, as is anyone who follows violence reducing advice from a Professor of 'Killology'.

Andy Chalk:
"We cannot deter these people," he said. "All we can do is track them down and kill them."

He's a Lt. Colonel with some authority in favor of using kill squads and subverting the media's first amendment rights.

Allow me to properly freak out.

On a side note, I'm starting a protest rock band called Killology. Anyone care to join?

Wow. I didn't think anyone can be that stupid. I look forward to proving him wrong.

This guy is so wrong it's actually kind of funny. In the US, crime rates are the lowest they've ever been since the 1960's, and are still declining.

What a knob. Despite spewing loads of bollocks, he also uses the word 'killology' unironically. Knob.

RaNDM G:

On a side note, I'm starting a protest rock band called Killology. Anyone care to join?

Hellyeah! I'll gladly play bass (if you won't let me play the triangle).

Ok does this guy actually expect to be taken seriously when in the same breath as he's condemning video games for turning people into serial killers and whatever he's suggesting that the only way to deal will the US's enemies is to kill them all?

It astounds me people's capacity to look for look for an easy way out on very complicated issues.

so...tldr, 'I should know what drives people to kill, I want to kill everyone and everything that disagrees with me'?

What about military or police training? or gun ranges? I think they teach you how to use a gun.

The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Andy Chalk:

His views tend to be on the extreme side, as evidenced by his statement that the U.S. is "going to get nuked" because it's too lax in dealing with foreign and domestic threats..

Somewhat ironically, Grossman didn't seem shy about exposing his own predisposition toward violence in the address. He warned that "all hell will break out" when the U.S. pulls out of Afghanistan and said there's only one way to deal with the worst of the nation's enemies. "We cannot deter these people," he said. "All we can do is track them down and kill them."

Nothing to see here people. Just a complete right wing loon that should be shipped off to one of Saturn's far moons on his own one way rocket so we never have to hear from him again.

"There is a generation of vicious, vicious killers out there," he said. "The videogames are their trainers. They've been playing Grand Theft Auto every spare moment since they were six years old."

Why do these idiots act like GTA and Call of Duty were the only video games ever made and being played?

violent media "is responsible for our rising rate of murder among the young."

No, the disintegration of the family structure and disregard of parental responsibilities are whats to blame for rising murder rates. If there ARE any rising rates. Hasn't murder and violent crime as a whole actually gone DOWN over the years?

Please go away Lt. Grossman. And never come back.

canadamus_prime:
Ok does this guy actually expect to be taken seriously when in the same breath as he's condemning video games for turning people into serial killers and whatever he's suggesting that the only way to deal will the US's enemies is to kill them all?

He's a paranoid nutcase. So yeah, he expects to be taken seriously like all paranoid nutcases.

Oh man, look at all this solid evidence this guy is providing. Wow, so much evidence, can't handle this.

Oh fucking wait.

I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention, I was too busy committing mass genocide. Minecraft taught me that one.

Ok, if he was talking about the galmourisation of violence, games being a part of that etc etc.

But...he's a Lt Colonel...c'mon.

deathbydeath:
"We must prepare for violence like firefighters prepare for fires..."

Wait, is he suggesting that when someone gets shot in a school, a bell rings and all the students shuffle out in an organized manner?

Wouldn't surprise me if that's what he thinks is a good idea for how to deal with the situation.

Also... this guy can't see the internal logical consistency problems with him...

A) saying that videogames will magically cause an entire generation to become psychotic raving lunatics (despite all evidence that suggests the contrary or at the very least, makes his claims VERY unlikely)

and...

B) saying that we need to hunt down everyone in the Middle East and kill them?

Umm... what?

THIS guy needs professional help.

TheDoctor455:
B) saying that we need to hunt down everyone in the Middle East and kill them?

Hey man, sometimes you got to be really, really sure.

Aw look, A presumably PTSD soldier has exploited peoples fears and capitalized for his own gain. Besides that, theres nothing original about his statements, move along.

So on one hand we have the usual pablum about "games are making kids into killers!" without even approaching the concept of just keeping kids from playing them (with some of that "parental supervision" stuff I heard about somewhere), and on the other hand he calls for hunting down and killing others and apparently advocates the continued presence of US troops in Afghanistan (which has gotten us exactly what over the past decade-plus?).

I mean, the term "killology" is enough to scoff at, but now I wonder if the US Army does intelligence testing as a part of its officer selection.

deathbydeath:

TheDoctor455:
B) saying that we need to hunt down everyone in the Middle East and kill them?

Hey man, sometimes you got to be really, really sure.

Don't care if you're joking or not. Not funny.

And not okay to say.

Genocide, or even proposed genocide is not to be taken lightly.

anonymity88:
When I read comments like this and realise that these people are actually well respected and treated with deference by some people I get very scared.

By a small minority. Seriously.

I think I might start using my soon-to-be-gained degree in sociology to try to prove that video games causes a lot of harm. Apparently it's the fast-track way of getting instant fame, especially since you don't need to do actual research.

Adam Jensen:

canadamus_prime:
Ok does this guy actually expect to be taken seriously when in the same breath as he's condemning video games for turning people into serial killers and whatever he's suggesting that the only way to deal will the US's enemies is to kill them all?

He's a paranoid nutcase. So yeah, he expects to be taken seriously like all paranoid nutcases.

Well he'll have to pardon me if I don't take him seriously.

Nowhere Man:
No, the disintegration of the family structure and disregard of parental responsibilities are whats to blame for rising murder rates. If there ARE any rising rates. Hasn't murder and violent crime as a whole actually gone DOWN over the years?

Please go away Lt. Grossman. And never come back.

I know that's certainly what I'd attribute it to.

TheDoctor455:
Don't care if you're joking or not. Not funny.

And not okay to say.

Genocide, or even proposed genocide is not to be taken lightly.

Actually, it was satire. I was poking holes in his views by taking them a step further to their logical conclusion, which is irrational. Any humor to be gained from that was from you and you alone. See Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" for something similar.

deathbydeath:
"We must prepare for violence like firefighters prepare for fires..."

Wait, is he suggesting that when someone gets shot in a school, a bell rings and all the students shuffle out in an organized manner?

Don't be ridiculous. He's obviously suggesting that all students and teachers be allowed to carry concealed weapons. You know, like how everyone carries a fire extinguisher at all times.

In seriousness though, these people need to start getting sued for libel. They are saying things that can be indisputably proven false about large groups of people. Specifically that young people are violent and that crime rates are rising. No one would get away with saying black people are vicious killers but it's ok to say the same thing about teens and twenty-somethings?

Ya know, if games are really turning an entire generation of kids into psychopathic killers and mass murderers, maybe he shouldn't be saying things that might piss them off. Doesn't seem to be the safe move to me.

He seems paranoid enough that few will take him seriously.

Also when is the trend supposed to reverse? Violent crime amongst youths has steadily gone down over the past couple of decades.

It looks like Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has also co-authored a science fiction novel, where "sentient wooden ships travel beneath canvas sails in a universe that is corrosive to technology." Elves and dwarves are also aliens.

OT: Actually, the source article sums up my reaction pretty nicely:

"The gangs have declared war on our cops," announced Grossman, whose talk was long on emotion, and short on supportive evidence and detailed reasoning.

Andy Chalk:
"We cannot deter these people," he said. "All we can do is track them down and kill them."

So, the guy advocating genocide is gonna tell us how we're all too violent... right...

Oh, & youth violence, along with violent crime in the U.S. in general, has been going down for the past 18-ish years, so his argument is invalid on its face

Also, "killology"
That is all

Oh look another one blaming games, yet films and books get no such blame or better yet how about we focus on the real problems?

Things such as parent's stopping children playing games that aren't appropriate maybe? no? what about gun control? (for the us, yeh yeh england has more knife crime, etc. etc. I'm not trying to start a flame war) I can think of plenty of other things which I would blame before games if I'm honest, but no it automatically has to be video games.

It amazes me how people like this can even be taken seriously, but don't worry America your not the only one with idiots in the world look who got re elected in part of my country (England); http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/colin-brewer-councillor-new-sick-1887780

It's times like these were i want a i don't want to live on this planet gif...

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