Lulzsec Members Are Going To Jail

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Elate:

Lunar Templar:

Moosejaw:
-Snip.-

why should gender even matter in this?

they where self absorbed little shits that broke the law, and taunted the authority's, and now, they're getting off WAY to easy, with the longest sentence just shy of 3 years. No, not good enough 5 years, min, no computer access during jail time, and 5 year with out computer access after release.

THAT would be 'fair', after all, you commit a crime with a gun, you lose your right to own one, i don't see why computers should be any different, what with the potential damage scale being even higher.

Because he's got a damn point, people would be appalled to the idea of women getting raped over a crime, but you'd wish mentally and physically scarring torment on a few egotistical shits. Please take 5 minutes to imagine something repeatedly forced into your rear without lubricant and try and tell me that isn't going to cause life long damage, because that's what you're wishing on them. There's an awful lot wrong about wishing that.

Chances are that they'll be monitored once they get out anyway, and considering you can barely survive without a computer these days, it'd be like taking away their ability to write.

Think things through before spewing all that pent up spite. At the end of the day, Governments have done considerably worse to their own people than taking down a few websites for a little while, and being a bit of a dick, y'know, like outright slaughtering people, yet they get away scot free.

Jesus people, this comments section is disgusting.

Have you never thought to yourself "god, he is so annoying, i just want to strangle him!"? because thats all that is happening here. he doesn't mean it.

I just googled their names and you guys can rest easy. They are far to ugly to get the rape treatment.

I think the sentences are fair enough. Considering the crime, I think it's fair enough that they are deprived of their freedom, and are shown that their actions are actually having serious consequences. More than anything, I look at it more than a 'don't fucking do this' warning.

If they were real hackers, they'd have gotten away with this, and actually snagged some sweet loot for their efforts. These idiots are just self-glorified script writers.

Of course the leader betrayed the rest of them. This kind of shit isn't worth a higher sentence, that's for damn sure.

Am I right in thinking that these were the guys who hacked the Playstation Network and Valve's Steam platform? That was the only thing that worried me at the time, I remember getting a phone call from a friend of mine telling me to reset my passwords and take off any personal data you can. Felt a little too close to home back then.

Regarding their sentence, I don't even want to pretend I know exactly how much punishment these guys deserve for their crimes. Maybe I'm missing something, but last time I checked this was not a forum for lawyers, yet some here seem to believe they know better than the actual justice system.

Its good that people who think they are above getting caught are being punished, but its a shame all the trash on the escapist are advocating a pro rape stance on prisoners. You are filthy, dirty and far beneath simple minded hackers being pricks.

maninahat:
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Hey, that top one looks like Yorkshire!

Are you sure they'll get category Ds? Often you end up moving around multiple prisons: a stay in a B or C (something like the second one), then moved to a D for release (the one in the top picture).

Either way, I can't imagine them enjoying their stay much. The worst part about (UK) prisons are the perpetual boredom and the infliction upon dignity and independence.

First time nonviolent offenders eligible for parole in 2 and half months or so, I'm pretty sure they will get Cat D. Maybe a week in B or C for assessment but a couple of months gardening in the summer months is the worse they have to face.

Oh right, I forgot they were a thing.
Maybe instead of fighting for their lulz they should have been fighting for relevance.

Now they'll be in an environment where it'd be wise to fucking behave and not be an absolute fuckwit to the people around them, gonna be such a fish out of water. Now if more people would consider the possible outcomes before they decide to do something stupid.

Lunar Templar:
THAT would be 'fair', after all, you commit a crime with a gun, you lose your right to own one, i don't see why computers should be any different, what with the potential damage scale being even higher.

While I don't want to play down the damage someone talented can do with a computer, I've yet to see someone shoot another person in the head with a PC, although I guess you could probably kill with one if you jumped through a few hoops.

Guns are more... Immediate and limited in their uses. Drawing a parallel between them and computers is a little ridiculous.

Andy Chalk:
"This is not about young immature men messing about," Prosecutor Sandip Patel said. "They are at the cutting edge of a contemporary and emerging species of criminal offender known as a cybercriminal."

Okay, that's a little bit excessive. They broke the law: That's all we need to know. Do we really need to create a label to justify it to ourselves?

Lunar Templar:

EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL.

LEGALITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MORALITY. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

HellbirdIV:
They broke the law: That's all we need to know. Do we really need to create a label to justify it to ourselves?

Fucking yes we do.

What is with all these morons dismissing their fellow man just because they broke the law. Jeez.

4 loudmouths got jailed while the real people behind got away. sounds like a nice deal :D

mysecondlife:
Didn't they also hack Escapist during their cyber crime spree?

Edit: Anyways, I'm glad the prosecutor took 2 years of their lives to finally say "Yep. You're going to jail." Have fun.

I believe the escapist crash was attributed to some splinter of Anonymous and not the core Lulz themselves.

Danny Ocean:
What is with all these morons dismissing their fellow man just because they broke the law. Jeez.

It's simply an understanding civilized people have that the law is there for a reason.

fleischwolke:

Elate:

Think things through before spewing all that pent up spite. At the end of the day, Governments have done considerably worse to their own people than taking down a few websites for a little while, and being a bit of a dick, y'know, like outright slaughtering people, yet they get away scot free.

Jesus people, this comments section is disgusting.

Seconded

As much as I agree with you, you should probably add a bit more to your post to avoid a warning for low content.

They'll probably go to a minimum security prison for a few months before being released, but they'll be monitored for a long time beyond that. Their lives aren't being ruined by this.

HellbirdIV:

It's simply an understanding civilized people have that the law is there for a reason.

And what reason is that, oh civiliser of barbarians like myself? For however else shall I possibly divine the true purpose of the state and its laws, but by asking you?

Danny Ocean:

Lunar Templar:

EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL.

LEGALITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MORALITY. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

They broke into and denied access to people's property, stole private and sensitive information, and released that private and sensitive information publicly. They broke certain systems - which took time and money to fix - invaded government/military computers, and one had pedophilia material on his computer.

If you want to make a case as to how that's not morally wrong, then be my guest.

TKretts3:

They broke into and denied access to people's property, stole private and sensitive information, and released that private and sensitive information publicly. They broke certain systems - which took time and money to fix - invaded government/military computers, and one had pedophilia material on his computer.

If you want to make a case as to how that's not morally wrong, then be my guest.

There are degrees of wrongness, which is why we don't have the death penalty or freedom as the only two options.

Earlier, the person I quoted was advocating life imprisonment for these people, purely on the argument that they broke the law.

That is a terrible argument, because the punishment should fit the morality of the crime.

Ok, I laughed. Alot. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. They have no regard for others (at least from what I have seen) and are just outright dicks.

Capatcha: "Stop wasting time" :( Ok cappy, whatever you say.

Danny Ocean:

TKretts3:

They broke into and denied access to people's property, stole private and sensitive information, and released that private and sensitive information publicly. They broke certain systems - which took time and money to fix - invaded government/military computers, and one had pedophilia material on his computer.

If you want to make a case as to how that's not morally wrong, then be my guest.

There are degrees of wrongness, which is why we don't have the death penalty or freedom as the only two options.

Earlier, the person I quoted was advocating life imprisonment for these people, purely on the argument that they broke the law.

That is a terrible argument, because the punishment should fit the morality of the crime.

I think their sentencing is fair enough. They'll be up for parole very quickly anyway; within months I'm guessing. It'll be minimum security - they'll basically be with free board and food, only they're not allowed to leave and have a bunch of guards to answer to.

To me, this serves as more of a 'don't fucking do this, seriously' warning to others more than a punishment, and a pretty effective lesson to the convicted themselves about how not to be complete idiots with their computers.

Sansha:

I think their sentencing is fair enough. They'll be up for parole very quickly anyway; within months I'm guessing. It'll be minimum security - they'll basically be with free board and food, only they're not allowed to leave and have a bunch of guards to answer to.

If you read the rest of the guy I'm arguing with you'll see why I'm angry.

I think this sentencing is fine and pretty much proportionate.

I do not agree that we should simply throw them into a hole and lock away the key.

Danny Ocean:

Sansha:

I think their sentencing is fair enough. They'll be up for parole very quickly anyway; within months I'm guessing. It'll be minimum security - they'll basically be with free board and food, only they're not allowed to leave and have a bunch of guards to answer to.

If you read the rest of the guy I'm arguing with you'll see why I'm angry.

I think this sentencing is fine and pretty much proportionate.

I do not agree that we should simply throw them into a hole and lock away the key.

Agreed. They're not murderers, they're not malicious, and they're very likely not going to do so much as tip over a public trash can after actually being caught when they firmly believed they were anonymous and undetectable.

Wanting to throw 'em in the slammer forever is ridiculous - this coming from the same kind of people who criticize the IRAA for their obscene sentencing.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Lunar Templar:
THAT would be 'fair', after all, you commit a crime with a gun, you lose your right to own one, i don't see why computers should be any different, what with the potential damage scale being even higher.

While I don't want to play down the damage someone talented can do with a computer, I've yet to see someone shoot another person in the head with a PC, although I guess you could probably kill with one if you jumped through a few hoops.

Guns are more... Immediate and limited in their uses. Drawing a parallel between them and computers is a little ridiculous.

I would argue the Computer is more dangerous due to who easily some ones life can be destroyed, and these little shits have pretty much proven to have no regard for other people

Danny Ocean:

Lunar Templar:

EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL.

LEGALITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MORALITY. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

one could quite easily argue these hackers have about as much in the way of moral standing as most the people against them on this thread.

cause if you can tell me how posting some ones person info, breaking systems that take time and money to fix, taunting the authority, attacked government and military hardware, and apparently one likes looking at little kids.

and your going to seriously try and argue me not give even the slightest fuck what happens to them in prison, is some how worse?

idarkphoenixi:
Not that they don't deserve it but how exactly did they get caught? Didn't they take any safety measures?

Probably because they weren't anywhere near as good at hacking as they thought. Especially considering the government of pretty much any country can afford to pay good money for people who have far more experience and technical skills than these guys, to hack or trace others.

Let's be honest here, if they were so good that they could hack government level websites or servers and not get caught, they would be millionaires living on a tropical island. If not from doing it themselves, then by selling that knowledge to other people.

Lunar Templar:

DjinnFor:

Lunar Templar:
If you want 'sympathy or compassion' for them, talk to some one else, I have none for any criminal that endangers lives or lively hood for laughs.

Wait, what did I miss? What exactly did they do to "endanger lives"?

Hell, what did they do to deserve nearly 2 years of jail time? DDoS some sites and steal protected data for shits and giggles? Slap them on the wrist then.

The targeted companies should be thanking them for exposing the fact that they have terrible network security protocols. Apparently they hacked the FBI and CIA; lulz security indeed.

apprently you missed the 'lively hoods' part of my post.

But since you don't seem to know, lemme fill you in.

EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL. It's doesn't matter WHY they broke in, they still broke in to a secured server and posted peoples info on line (thus causing a threat to a persons lively hood)

they aren't heroes, they're common gutter trash, no better then a thief who throw a brick threw a window

Agreed, looking at the harm they caused the sentences they received were a slap on the wrist.

I think it was the guardian which tried to sensationalize 30 months as a very lengthy sentence for the crime. I would of expected the sentences to range from 36 to 72 months, when compared to sentences received by con artists adding their own additional indiscretions like the "indecent images of children".

They deserve it. Unlike Anonymous who plan on using their powers for good and enlightenment of others and wish to right wrongs, these morons decided to do what they did. Enjoy prison and hope you get traded for cigs a lot.

I was directly impacted by the hackings, and had to change a lot of my banking information. It sucks, and ruined a weekend, but it wasn't like they shot my mum or something.

I think the sentence is reasonable, as long as they're monitored when they leave. I hope prison is scary, because that's sort of the point, but I definitely don't wish any actual trauma to them while they're there. Nobody deserves to get raped, and prison rape is a major problem. The fact that some people think that they can justify it is just disgusting - These people are worse than the people going to jail for hacking in some ways.

Back in July 2011, members of the Lulzsec collective dared - I mean, literally dared - the authorities to arrest them. So the authorities did.

I'm sitting in the middle of a study-lounge in my college and came dangerously close to bursting out laughing when I read that.

I can't help but "sing" the song I Fought the Law in my head now.

Lunar Templar:

Elate:

Considering you can barely survive without a computer these days, it'd be like taking away their ability to write.

I,
Do,
Not,
CARE.

At all.

We could have a story up in a few days about how all 4 for then got run over by the bus that was supposed to bring them to jail and my reaction would still be 'nothing of value lost'

If you want 'sympathy or compassion' for them, talk to some one else, I have none for any criminal that endangers lives or lively hood for laughs.

You know, everytime I read something kinda stupid I see their profile and hope they are from USA, that way my irrational hate for Americans becomes more rational.

_______________

They did a crime, they are being punished for it. Fortunately it's not as long as I feared, I was afraid it could be more than 5 years for little pranks like this which is absurd.

Lunar Templar:
EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL

You know, this always bothers me when I see it. I can't really remember what they did, nor do I care that much, but just seeing this sets off alarm bells in my head. The law isn't always right. In fact the law can very easily be twisted by those in power to their own ends, and those ends could be anything from freedom and safety to constant surveillance of citizens or even your own death.

Don't ever swear blindly by the law, always question it, ask why, speak up when things seem amiss.
I believe it's best to maintain a healthy sense of paranoia towards those in power, that way you spot bad intentions before they're acted upon. See SOPA, PIPA, CISPA and that other one.

Failing that, if everything goes tits up we can always have some of those revolution thingies the middle-east seem to be quite fond of at the moment.

Danny Ocean:

Lunar Templar:

EVERYTHING LOLSEC DID WAS ILLEGAL.

LEGALITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MORALITY. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

HellbirdIV:
They broke the law: That's all we need to know. Do we really need to create a label to justify it to ourselves?

Fucking yes we do.

What is with all these morons dismissing their fellow man just because they broke the law. Jeez.

This guy gets it! I think...

Mayamellissa:
They deserve it. Unlike Anonymous who plan on using their powers for good and enlightenment of others and wish to right wrongs, these morons decided to do what they did. Enjoy prison and hope you get traded for cigs a lot.

You don't really understand Anonymous do you? Anyone can be part of anonymous, there's no central leadership or anything like that. It's a hivemind basically, there are little clusters all over the internet, mostly on the various *chans. So Anonymous has no goals or intentions. People who act Anonymously have goals and intentions, but ultimately Anonymous is just a vague collection of internet users.

At least the authorities are no longer locking them up in solitary because they're deathly afraid that the hackers might get the chance to use their magical hacking voodoo whistles to deploy the nation's nuclear arsenal. :P

That is there sentence? 30 months at most? That is pathetic. Let me guess, they will have access to computers and Internet during this time. If so, then they will learn nothing except that you can not trust anyone.

You want to know what I feel there sentence should have been. 3 years minimum with zero access to computers and Internet. If they are let out early they can not use Internet at all for another 3 years. If they violate that probation, then more time is added to there sentence.

Moosejaw:

Lunar Templar:

Metalix Knightmare:

They hack some places, and you're cheering at the idea they'll get raped in prison?

Ladies and gentlemen, everything wrong with the current mentality for prison in one sentence.

they hacked some place, laughed about it and Dared people to come after them like they where some kind of gods, for their arrogance they deserve everything they're going to get.

No, I don't have any sympathy for people like this whom break laws and laugh about it like its a game.

Simple thought exercise: What if all these guys were, in fact, women? Would you still be cheering for them to get sexually assaulted in prison? Would they then 'deserve' it?

These guys deserve to go to jail, but if getting sexually assaulted while you're in prison is part of it then it is cruel and unusual punishment. The fact that people think it is utterly hilarious that guys could end up getting raped in prison is horribly disgusting. The only reason I'd even BEGIN TO THINK that was remotely justified is if they were actually rapists, and even that's going too far.

Why is a woman getting raped any worse or less humiliating then it is for a man? Can I simply hope that no one gets raped? Anyways, I don't want to derail the the topic into some stupid rape thing I was merely making a point.

Lunar Templar:
I would argue the Computer is more dangerous due to who easily some ones life can be destroyed,

More dangerous than a bullet to the brain is a rather high order.

Lunar Templar:
and these little shits have pretty much proven to have no regard for other people

Because they stopped you from visiting your favorite website for an hour?

Yeah, they're dicks, but have you ever read about or even met someone who has no regard for other people? I don't know where you got the idea that theres a fine line between having a lack of respect for human life and DDOSing websites, but it's not the case.

FalloutJack:

Showing once again that these people just don't have any pattern recognition. I mean, really. What dumbasses. You mess around with computers and screw around with your GREAT custom job machine, and...what? You don't think that police, government agents, etc. don't have MUCH better hardware and software, plus better training? How shall I put this?

I hate to be "that guy" but that's not a Bob Marley song. What is it with people on youtube misslabeling popular reggae songs as Bob Marley, Bad Boys doesn't even come close to the awesomeness of Bob.

OT: I read on the guardian website that the leader being tried in the US is facing up to 124 years or something, that's a little harsh. Four years seems about right to me considering they didn't do that much, well maybe the hacking of Soca and CIA is a bit of a bigger deal. This got me thinking about sentences, would the have got longer if attacks were financially motivated? Surely doing it for no reason at all is worse

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