Lulzsec Members Are Going To Jail

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Total LOLige:
Not Marley!

That's okay, dude. It wasn't me who labeled it that way. I just needed the song.

BTW: About the leader? Ummm...I didn't want to be the guy who says it, but the sum total of Lulsec's doings can be construed as a form of terrorism. To whit, it is the cause of rampant damage for no particularly good reason. True, it is up to debate as to whether anybody was hurt, but anybody who lost something of value (like lots of money) would certainly be hurt in the 'cost of living' sort of way. Anyway, it's not really mine to say. They did a thing, it was stupid and illegal, and now they pay. Simple as that.

Zeckt:
Why is a woman getting raped any worse or less humiliating then it is for a man? Can I simply hope that no one gets raped? Anyways, I don't want to derail the the topic into some stupid rape thing I was merely making a point.

It isn't, but that was kind of his point, that people cheer it on if it's males going to prison, but would be disgusted if it were a female. It's a very unhealthy attitude society has.

Lunar Templar:

That assumes death is the 'worst possible outcome' though, and it's kinda not. Your not going to care about identity theft, and the damage that comes with it, when your dead.

Death isn't the worst possible outcome? So you're saying that say, you'd rather a member of your family shot, and killed, than their identity stolen? Which is recoverable?

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..I'm done here.

Lunar Templar:

Anoni Mus:
]You know, everytime I read something kinda stupid I see their profile and hope they are from USA, that way my irrational hate for Americans becomes more rational.

*check profile for country and laughs*
And thank you for re-enforcing my own irrational hate of the French, by basically being the stereotype.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

More dangerous than a bullet to the brain is a rather high order.

That assumes death is the 'worst possible outcome' though, and it's kinda not. Your not going to care about identity theft, and the damage that comes with it, when your dead.

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death.[1] This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

[1] See: Josef Fritzl, Ariel Castro

Caiphus:

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death. This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

You really think any of them are going to serve all of their sentences? personally, I give em six months at most before they're out, and maybe a year total at most before the authority stop caring about them.

*shrugs* I tend to not care what happens to people who start thinking they are above the rules lay out for them. Petty crimes or not, at this point, I could not care less what happens to them, if that makes me a 'bad person' fine, I've been called worse, least I'm not breaking any laws.

Lunar Templar:

Caiphus:

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death. This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

You really think any of them are going to serve all of their sentences? personally, I give em six months at most before they're out, and maybe a year total at most before the authority stop caring about them.

*shrugs* I tend to not care what happens to people who start thinking they are above the rules lay out for them. Petty crimes or not, at this point, I could not care less what happens to them, if that makes me a 'bad person' fine, I've been called worse, least I'm not breaking any laws.

I break the law all the time. I've jaywalked on an empty street, I've downloaded a few songs in my time, and I've definitely loitered.

Should I be raped and tortured in prison? Probably.

Lunar Templar:

Caiphus:

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death. This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

You really think any of them are going to serve all of their sentences? personally, I give em six months at most before they're out, and maybe a year total at most before the authority stop caring about them.

*shrugs* I tend to not care what happens to people who start thinking they are above the rules lay out for them. Petty crimes or not, at this point, I could not care less what happens to them, if that makes me a 'bad person' fine, I've been called worse, least I'm not breaking any laws.

I don't think they'll serve their entire sentences; although I'm no expert on the prison system, much less the prison systems outside my country. They inconvenienced my life in a pretty minor way, although the guy with child porn should be hit harder. Anything much more than a year in prison is probably excessive in my book for what they did. [1]Your mileage may vary, and that's fine within reason. You might think that 3 years is more appropriate, whatever.

But publicly hoping that "their boyfriends teach them a lesson" or whatever is not fine. It's just plain silly and evil. And it's a lot different to "not caring about what happens to them".

Edit: And you're not the only one. You just defended your position much more aggressively than everyone else when called out on it, so I'm picking on you.

Caiphus:

Lunar Templar:

Caiphus:

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death. This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

You really think any of them are going to serve all of their sentences? personally, I give em six months at most before they're out, and maybe a year total at most before the authority stop caring about them.

*shrugs* I tend to not care what happens to people who start thinking they are above the rules lay out for them. Petty crimes or not, at this point, I could not care less what happens to them, if that makes me a 'bad person' fine, I've been called worse, least I'm not breaking any laws.

I don't think they'll serve their entire sentences; although I'm no expert on the prison system, much less the prison systems outside my country. They inconvenienced my life in a pretty minor way, although the guy with child porn should be hit harder. Anything much more than a year in prison is probably excessive in my book for what they did. [1]Your mileage may vary, and that's fine within reason. You might think that 3 years is more appropriate, whatever.

But publicly hoping that "their boyfriends teach them a lesson" or whatever is not fine. It's just plain silly and evil. And it's a lot different to "not caring about what happens to them".

I was wondering when that comic was gonna show up. I'd say 'surprised it took this long' but I only come back to this thread when quoted. better things to do an all, I know my view on these matters is 'not popular' to say the least.

And we're to lax here imo, 'Time served for good behavior' annoys me, for example. I didn't get out of being in trouble 'for be good' after I got in trouble, and here we have people do far worse things getting out of their punishments for basically that. *shakes head*

Anyway right, wrong or 'evil', it's where it is, and I'm not apologizing for it. Joke in poor taste? eeyup, I'm good for those, did I mean it when I said they could get hit by a bus and killed and I wouldn't care, eeyup, the comment for that story would probably be 'nothing of value lost', do I have a more extreme view of how criminals should be treated then others on this site, yes, not apologizing for that ether, the justice system is fucked and needs fixing.

anyway, we're gonna start going around in circles here soon, and I really don't feel like finding new ways of say 'what ever happens to these little shits means nothing at all to me' just cause some one dislikes just how apathetic I am toward them. Later

Lunar Templar:

I was wondering when that comic was gonna show up. I'd say 'surprised it took this long' but I only come back to this thread when quoted. better things to do an all, I know my view on these matters is 'not popular' to say the least.

And we're to lax here imo, 'Time served for good behavior' annoys me, for example. I didn't get out of being in trouble 'for be good' after I got in trouble, and here we have people do far worse things getting out of their punishments for basically that. *shakes head*

Anyway right, wrong or 'evil', it's where it is, and I'm not apologizing for it. Joke in poor taste? eeyup, I'm good for those, did I mean it when I said they could get hit by a bus and killed and I wouldn't care, eeyup, the comment for that story would probably be 'nothing of value lost', do I have a more extreme view of how criminals should be treated then others on this site, yes, not apologizing for that ether, the justice system is fucked and needs fixing.

anyway, we're gonna start going around in circles here soon, and I really don't feel like finding new ways of say 'what ever happens to these little shits means nothing at all to me' just cause some one dislikes just how apathetic I am toward them. Later

That someone with such an extremely poor grasp of criminology and empathy could say that the justice system needs fixing would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Criminals shouldn't be rewarded for showing signs of remorse and rehabilitation. No, of course not. That would be absurd. We want to foster an environment where criminals are let out of prison when their time is up, and only then, no matter the likelihood of recidivism. And if they are traumatised enough in prison that they feel like visiting that trauma on innocents once they get out, all the better. Jesus, it's insane.

We will end up going in circles. And frankly I have better things to do than discuss ethics with someone so set in their ways that any discussion is merely destined to become a shouting match.

Whatever, your views are extreme and, luckily, they shall stay that way. Eye for an eye is not a guideline, it is a limiting tool, and your views go far beyond that.

"Later"

Spot1990:
Wow gone to jail for "hacking". Those guys aren't even getting raped. Inmates are just going to wear those guys as condoms while they fuck real criminals.

I guess we got the lols now.

ShirowShirow:
Considering how insane sentencing over these things can get, I half expected them to get 30 years. 30 months seems practically reasonable.

But one member also had child porn charges, and having a sex offense means you are on a watch list for life, no going a quarter mile near a school, no talking to children ever, and everyone can look up on the net that you are a pedo and whats that your adress?

Lunar Templar:

I,
Do,
Not,
CARE.

At all.

We could have a story up in a few days about how all 4 for then got run over by the bus that was supposed to bring them to jail and my reaction would still be 'nothing of value lost'

If you want 'sympathy or compassion' for them, talk to some one else, I have none for any criminal that endangers lives or lively hood for laughs.

Agreed.

Caiphus:

I'm all for criminal justice, but advocating the sexual torture of people in prison is absolutely morally abhorrent, especially (and I hesitate to use the word especially because the standard should be applied to all offenders) against those who have committed non-violent crimes.

I cannot fully express just how jaded, unfair, immoral, sadistic and wrong it is to un-ironically hope for rape to be committed on non-violent offenders, as if their being in prison somehow makes it ok, and then furthermore to react negatively and antagonistically when someone reminds you to be a human being . Should they continue to be raped once they get out of prison? Or is the get-out-of-rape-free card only supposed to extend for the length of the court order?

Just incredible. Just unbelievable.

Rape Can be Funny, just listen to some of George Carlin's old jokes.

Danny Ocean:

LEGALITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MORALITY. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

Agreed. You can not legislate Morality.

Caiphus:

That someone with such an extremely poor grasp of criminology and empathy could say that the justice system needs fixing would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Criminals shouldn't be rewarded for showing signs of remorse and rehabilitation. No, of course not. That would be absurd. We want to foster an environment where criminals are let out of prison when their time is up, and only then, no matter the likelihood of recidivism. And if they are traumatised enough in prison that they feel like visiting that trauma on innocents once they get out, all the better. Jesus, it's insane.

We will end up going in circles. And frankly I have better things to do than discuss ethics with someone so set in their ways that any discussion is merely destined to become a shouting match.

Whatever, your views are extreme and, luckily, they shall stay that way. Eye for an eye is not a guideline, it is a limiting tool, and your views go far beyond that.

"Later"

My Solution to the criminal problem, which also solve budget problems with the US.

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Make Prisoners go into Gladiator Battles that gets Televised on Pay-per-view. Sell Tickets, best of all it be quality family time, it be so educational for the children, and thats what we do we think about the children.

Hacking the CIA, let alone ALL those places, and all you get is 20-30 months?

BoogieManFL:
Hacking the CIA, let alone ALL those places, and all you get is 20-30 months?

The one guy was discovered to be a pedo, which makes him a convicted sex offender, thats a sigma and legal restrictions that will stay with him for life.

They are all found guilty of federal level crimes, which means lost of voting privileges and added difficulty trying to buy real estate. I am sure many of the members of Lulzsec plea bargain promising to either get other people in jail or they signed papers stating they have no choice but to work for the feds after their prison term. Yeah its a guaranteed job, but if they tried to leave they go back right into prison. That assuming these 5 geeks survive prison life.

Isn't it disgusting how people think that the human rights abuses that take place in prisons are funny?

Elate:

Zeckt:
Why is a woman getting raped any worse or less humiliating then it is for a man? Can I simply hope that no one gets raped? Anyways, I don't want to derail the the topic into some stupid rape thing I was merely making a point.

It isn't, but that was kind of his point, that people cheer it on if it's males going to prison, but would be disgusted if it were a female. It's a very unhealthy attitude society has.

Okay seriously now, I'm sorry to single you out since a lot of people are saying this, but do you seriously think the kind of people who make male rape jokes don't make female rape jokes? Stop trying to make this a 'men vs women' thing. I'll bet you anything that the same lowlifes who think men who commit crimes are "asking" to get raped in prison are the same people who think that women who wear revealing clothing or dare to drink at parties are "asking" to get raped. So enough of this "If they were women you would never...." Yes they would. People have - repeatedly. On these very forums no less.

Why not argue that joking about rape is disgusting on its own merits, without making presumptions about what that person would or wouldn't say about a woman, or diminishing the insulting treatment women also receive by pretending no one ever wishes for them to get raped. At least men usually have to commit a crime before everyone starts talking about how deserving they would be of rape. All a woman generally has to do is attempt to critique videogames.

Caiphus:

Lunar Templar:

Anoni Mus:
]You know, everytime I read something kinda stupid I see their profile and hope they are from USA, that way my irrational hate for Americans becomes more rational.

*check profile for country and laughs*
And thank you for re-enforcing my own irrational hate of the French, by basically being the stereotype.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

More dangerous than a bullet to the brain is a rather high order.

That assumes death is the 'worst possible outcome' though, and it's kinda not. Your not going to care about identity theft, and the damage that comes with it, when your dead.

You aren't going to care about anything if you're dead. Does that make death the best possible outcome?

Edit: You are correct though. Prolonged periods of torture and rape are arguably worse than death.[1] This is, strangely, what you seem to advocate should happen to criminals - even rather petty ones.

Criminals break societies rules, laws and codes through anti social behaviour, in effect they are revoking their right to be part of human society and therefore society should be under no obligation to treat them as anything other than parasites and harmful elements and no longer entitled to treat them with any respect or privileges afforded citizens, so why shouldn't they be flogged and tortured, they are after all a damaging element to our collective order.. That's the black and white way of seeing it, however it does get a little more complicated than that, legally and morally. For one thing we can rarely be 100% sure of someone guilt, at least enough to exclude and expel them from civilized society. The second problem is that no nation I have heard of actually revokes citizenship and exiles their criminals anymore... last time that happened was Botany Bay Australia.

OT: did they actually steal anything of value? as far as I can remember all they did was harass companies, or am I remembering incorrectly. Anyway I find it amusing that their leader was the snitch, somehow its ironic that the organisation was so easily by only one person. Part of having a successful criminal organisation is secrecy above all, i mean that should be on the very first page of the "organised crime for dummies" guide manual.

[1] See: Josef Fritzl, Ariel Castro

Lunar Templar:

Anoni Mus:
]You know, everytime I read something kinda stupid I see their profile and hope they are from USA, that way my irrational hate for Americans becomes more rational.

*check profile for country and laughs*
And thank you for re-enforcing my own irrational hate of the French, by basically being the stereotype.

I'm not French and there's nothing in my profile that indicated that. I'm also not Belgian.

So, too bad your joke failed.

O maestre:

Criminals break societies rules, laws and codes through anti social behaviour, in effect they are revoking their right to be part of human society and therefore society should be under no obligation to treat them as anything other than parasites and harmful elements and no longer entitled to treat them with any respect or privileges afforded citizens, so why shouldn't they be flogged and tortured, they are after all a damaging element to our collective order.. That's the black and white way of seeing it, however it does get a little more complicated than that, legally and morally.

Well, it's much more complicated.

For one, I mean yeah, criminals should be punished. Both to deter them from committing further crimes, and to deter others from committing similar ones. The justice system is also there to provide closure for victims, and to provide for their interests as well. It is not there to provide some sort of revenge for the rest of us.

And are they revoking their right to be part of human society? I know it might be tempting to think of it that way, but you can't just exile someone from society because they fucked up. I drunk alcohol (quite a bit of it actually) before I was 18, drive over the speed limit and jaywalk all the time. Am I a parasite? No? What do you have to do to become a parasite? What is the requisite level of offending before we just say "fuck it, let's have some fun and flog the bastard, he deserves it"?

And furthermore, what level of blame can we actually give the offenders themselves? Are they fully responsible for their actions, or are they a product of their environments as well? Every time someone says "I blame the parents" it shows that society recognises that people aren't entirely responsible for their upbringing. There's a reason that those in lower socio-economic backgrounds commit more crime, and it's not because a lack of money stops your amygdala from working properly.

And if you're going to release the criminals into society again, you aren't really doing yourself any favours if you've fucked them up in the meantime. Because they'll just go back to what they were doing. Even someone with your keen sense of pragmatism can see that, surely?

Now it's late here, and I realise that might have sounded a bit whiny. So I do beg your pardon.

mysecondlife:
Didn't they also hack Escapist during their cyber crime spree?

I know you've already been told, but indeed this website was hacked. Luckily, our lord and master tech wiz Kross fixed the website from the hackers. I find it funny that they would attack anyone to insult/question their little group and now they're paying the price for hacking companies/websites that are not going to sit by and... well, 'lulz' about it.

mysecondlife:
Didn't they also hack Escapist during their cyber crime spree?

Those Bastards! What did we do? Seriously why be a dick on the internet to this level?

darksakul:
Snip we should turn criminals into gladiators snip

Don't we already have corporate run prisons that pay prisoners (very little) to work for them? While I'm all for effective ways to make criminals less of a dead weight on society, and I'm aware that you're joking (I hope), I think gladiator battles is taking it a bit far.

Thank fuck.

No one needs renegade script kiddie punks running around sabotaging the Internet for anyone (unless it's EA). Being a PS3 owner, I was affected by the PSN blackout, insofar as not being able to connect was concerned. Not that I had any always-online games at the time or even actually played much during the blackout.

The guy did not have pictures of dead babies on his computer for sexual purposes.

Well, they did do some rather contreversial things, but I still think hardcore prison time is far too much. messing with a few websites is less of a crime then rape and murder, and by no means they deserve to be put in to the same jail cell as the people that did those sorts of things.

There needs to be a different method for containing cybercriminals. There is just a massive gap between a steroid filled meat mountain and a computer nerd that abuses his or her power.

Anybody?

Honestly, I think a more just punishment would be to leak every private piece of information about their lives.

Wait...

"...for hacking U.S. Air Force computers and possessing "indecent images of babies and children."

Seriously? Why would a guy from Lulzsec busy himself with child pornography? I mean, really?

Lunar Templar:
HA HA!!!

good to see these little hacker shit are going away for a few years from the look of it, maybe some time with their new boy firends will teach them to not do this kinda crap again

Are you condoning rape?

Infernal Lawyer:

darksakul:
Snip we should turn criminals into gladiators snip

Don't we already have corporate run prisons that pay prisoners (very little) to work for them? While I'm all for effective ways to make criminals less of a dead weight on society, and I'm aware that you're joking (I hope), I think gladiator battles is taking it a bit far.

Yeah I was kidding at that part. Take what some people say on the internet with a grain of salt.

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