Joss Whedon Explains New Avengers 2 Cast Members

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DRTJR:
I say Squirrel Girl for Avengers 3.

Sounds appropriately nuts.
Make it happen.

Of all the characters that I would imagine going up against the "Mad Titan" himself, Quicksilver wasn't very high on my list. Neither was Scarlet Witch, although I admit, at her craziest levels she could probably dust him off with relative ease.

Still, I don't have much faith in a sequel to this movie...but time shall tell, ultimately.

Madrax:

Leftnt Sharpe:
The mainstream cinema going public is not ready for Tigra, with the honourable exception of Japan of course. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are not exactly the first characters I would choose for an Avengers movie, but I have faith in Whedon to implement them well.

Well I agree with you to an extent. Thats why I said Phase three. That will be after GOTG and if that goes well, then the public will be ready for Tigra. Heck i'd say the public is okay with cat ladies if Avatar is any indication.

I was being a little bit tongue in cheek to be honest, but you are right, GOTG is Marvel's way of testing the water for the more 'out there' characters.

Wanda and Pietro, without Magneto, and without being called Mutants, and with no other Mutants...Yeah, that's not a weird fucking decision at all!

Can't we just get Doctor Strange, Ant Man, the Wasp, Ms. Marvel (without the whole kidnap and rape thing, if at all possible), the Vision, and maybe some name drops of other SHIELD assistants, like Jessica Drew? That would be nice.

This could get tricky. In order to explain who these two are, you need to go into their history. In order to do that, one would think you'd need to go mention their father, mutants, the X-men, and a whole bunch of other stuff that Marvel is not allowed to touch at the moment. I wonder how they're going to pull that off.

Guffe:

Bleidd Whitefalcon:

Guffe:
How many will they add?
Wasn't there supposed to be a space-prate-raccoon-thingy and AntMan for the second one?
Now a Witch and some SilverDude?
The movie will be one big RoyalRumble!!

The raccoon is in Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man has his movie coming out after Avengers 2. I doubt either of them will be in this one

AntMan is set to come after Ave2? ok thought he was going to BE IN the second, my miss...
But I've read here on the escapist that the raccoon from GotG would be in the Avengers, maybe those are just rumours thou....

Maybe Rocket Raccoon is due to show up in Avengers. If he is, I personally don't know about it.

Man! Super hyped! Avengers 2 better be 3 hours long!! So they can show off all the superheroes goodness!!

The Hungry Samurai:

Anachronism:
I thought Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were owned by Fox on account of being part of the X-Men franchise? Or am I missing something here? In any case, it'll be a little odd to see them in a universe where Magneto doesn't exist. Should be interesting, though.

I'm still hoping that the Agents of Shield series is going to be there to facilitate all those characters that have movie rights tied up elsewhere. It'd be a great place to see some Whedony Marvel Xmen /Spiderman goodness.

I hadn't thought about this. I mean, Marvel did just require the tv rights to Spider-Man so this is very possible.

Entitled:

Tombsite:

Anachronism:
I thought Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were owned by Fox on account of being part of the X-Men franchise? Or am I missing something here? In any case, it'll be a little odd to see them in a universe where Magneto doesn't exist. Should be interesting, though.

Because they first showed up as characters in the Avengers comics they can be used outside of the x-men. But only as long as you do not mention mutants, Magneto or X-men.

Long live lawyers I guess

Hahaha, our IP laws are just frakking (LOL) absurd.

Tell me about it.

Daystar Clarion:

Essentially, they have to avoid the whole Xmen universe.

Which could be tricky, but consider they don't necessarily have t o give a lot of back story. How much did we get on Hawkeye and Black Widow?

Entitled:

Hahaha, our IP laws are just fucking absurd.

This has nothing to do with IP laws and everything to do with licensing. After all, mutants in the Marvel Universe never stopped being Marvel's intellectual property. Same with X-Men. They made some deals, however, that have come to bite them in the ass down the line.

Zachary Amaranth:

This has nothing to do with IP laws and everything to do with licensing. After all, mutants in the Marvel Universe never stopped being Marvel's intellectual property. Same with X-Men. They made some deals, however, that have come to bite them in the ass down the line.

I think that you mean to say that this has nothing to do with copyright laws.

But if licensing can be written in a way that divides who gets to use which elements of a creatve work can be used, then I will call it a part of "IP laws".

Oh, and by the way there is no legal definition of what counts as "Intellectual Property", as that phrase is just an informal figure of speech popularized in 1967 by an organization called the WIPO, and only caught on around 1990, as a catch-all term for the actual legal categories of patents, trademarks, copyright, and occasionally anti-plagiarism, and various publisher rights.

xPixelatedx:
You know what Avengers 2 really needs? A plot. A bad-guy from a previous movie coming back with an army out of nowhere... "just because", isn't going to work again. I don't care how witty the Joss Whedon banter is. It worked in the first movie because apparently that's all they could think of to get all the heroes together, but now that they're a team, try and add a smidgen of complexity, if it isn't too much trouble.

This is a bit too much to ask I think.

It's Whedon and it's a huge blockbuster. They won't risk anything other than some drawn out yawn of a snark-fest.

Quiotu:

Entitled:

Tombsite:

Because they first showed up as characters in the Avengers comics they can be used outside of the x-men. But only as long as you do not mention mutants, Magneto or X-men.

Long live lawyers I guess

Hahaha, our IP laws are just fucking absurd.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Whedon poked fun of that in the film itself. He's sorta known for poking fun at his own work.

Captain A: So... what's you two's story? How'd you get your powers?
Scarlet Witch: From our father, of course.
Captain A: And... who's your father?
Scarlet Witch: Well, you see-
Fury: Stop! Rogers, I get you don't trust them, but there's some holes you just don't stick your head down. I vouch for them, leave it at that.

"Dear God, Please let that be a direct quote in the movie. Amen" , And all the Nerds say "Amen".

Mr. Whedon is definitely the type too pull that stunt. Of course, it will be 3-to-1 odds that the studios will let it by. Maybe if we do not tell them it is a joke.

Atmos Duality:

DRTJR:
I say Squirrel Girl for Avengers 3.

Sounds appropriately nuts.
Make it happen.

YES YES ONE MILLION TIMES YES!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *breaths* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I just realized, she can not be in Avengers 2. She is a mutant, all rights too mutant IPs are owned by FOX (curse you FOX). FOX is putting out crappy movies just to keep the IPs (or try to sell them for a bigger profit).

All I know is I better see some Black Panther in Avengers 2.

Entitled:

Oh, and by the way there is no legal definition of what counts as "Intellectual Property", as that phrase is just an informal figure of speech popularized in 1967 by an organization called the WIPO, and only caught on around 1990, as a catch-all term for the actual legal categories of patents, trademarks, copyright, and occasionally anti-plagiarism, and various publisher rights.

Of which this doesn't fit. So yeah, even with your nitpicking, it doesn't work. My point still stands.

llagrok:

xPixelatedx:
You know what Avengers 2 really needs? A plot. A bad-guy from a previous movie coming back with an army out of nowhere... "just because", isn't going to work again. I don't care how witty the Joss Whedon banter is. It worked in the first movie because apparently that's all they could think of to get all the heroes together, but now that they're a team, try and add a smidgen of complexity, if it isn't too much trouble.

This is a bit too much to ask I think.

It's Whedon and it's a huge blockbuster. They won't risk anything other than some drawn out yawn of a snark-fest.

And Moviebob will call it the greatest thing ever in the world because it hits all the right geek points.

On topic!

Agreed that its probably goin to feel highly out of place with their backstory bein completely hidden. They'll probably try to pretend its all mysterious so that they can reveal it whenever Marvel gets the rights to X-men back, but the chances of that happenin any time soon is pretty much nil.

How about the Scarlet Witch start by rewriting reality to give Hawkeye and the Black Widow some real super powers. :P

I hope the weird incest vibe come through with Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch. Because controversial tears are delicious

I look forward to the day when all Marvel characters are owned by a single company. If that ever happens. Which doesn't seem likely. Because this is chaotic and I don't like it.

I'm going to sidestep the whole controversy and just state that Colton Haynes would make an excellent Pietro. He has the smug, rich, elitist asshole attitude down pat. He's also almost painfully good-looking, which can only be a good thing.

not sure if I want to see these two on the big screen, but ehh that might just be me

Fappy:

Anachronism:
I thought Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were owned by Fox on account of being part of the X-Men franchise? Or am I missing something here? In any case, it'll be a little odd to see them in a universe where Magneto doesn't exist. Should be interesting, though.

Back when they initially signed over the X-Men properties to FOX they specifically left out the characters Scarlet Which and Quicksilver in the event of an Avengers movie.

OT: Wonder how they will explain their origins give FOX's current ownership of X-Men movie rights.

It's rumored he's going to make them inHumans which would make sense and be a resonable way to go...but part of me can't help but wonder the shit storm it would cause with comic book nerds (don't get me wrong, i'm one of them) if he made them the children of Thanos....cause from a film perspective that would make improve the narrative in my opinion.

Aarowbeatsdragon:

Fappy:

Anachronism:
I thought Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were owned by Fox on account of being part of the X-Men franchise? Or am I missing something here? In any case, it'll be a little odd to see them in a universe where Magneto doesn't exist. Should be interesting, though.

Back when they initially signed over the X-Men properties to FOX they specifically left out the characters Scarlet Which and Quicksilver in the event of an Avengers movie.

OT: Wonder how they will explain their origins give FOX's current ownership of X-Men movie rights.

It's rumored he's going to make them inHumans which would make sense and be a resonable way to go...but part of me can't help but wonder the shit storm it would cause with comic book nerds (don't get me wrong, i'm one of them) if he made them the children of Thanos....cause from a film perspective that would make improve the narrative in my opinion.

Them being Inhumans I can swallow, but children of Thanos? No thanks.

Entitled:

Tombsite:

Anachronism:
I thought Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were owned by Fox on account of being part of the X-Men franchise? Or am I missing something here? In any case, it'll be a little odd to see them in a universe where Magneto doesn't exist. Should be interesting, though.

Because they first showed up as characters in the Avengers comics they can be used outside of the x-men. But only as long as you do not mention mutants, Magneto or X-men.

Long live lawyers I guess

Hahaha, our IP laws are just fucking absurd.

Got nothing to do with it, its contracts.

Marvel does need to get some more female superheroes on the big screen. Scarlet Witch is one of the first Avengers that springs to mind for me (but I'm kinda old school). And her character and powers are a little more complex than the heavy hitters that are mostly populating the squad. I like this. I like that maybe we'll get a little deeper story. But let's be realistic--the public loved shallower plotted epic superhero battlefields.

So, female Avengers that I would like to see?

    Tigra: no
    Ms. Marvel: maybe, but just another flying heavy hitter
    Wasp: maybe
    She hulk: redundant
    Jocasta: too complicated of a story (but let's face it, Ultron WILL eventually show up on the big screen)
    Spider-Woman: I like this option (maybe it ties into the Veranke story line and the Skrulls down the road)
    Mockingbird: no

I still choose Scarlet Witch over Spider-Woman. So, I guess my vote is "good choice."

Characters who have the power to do anything tend to be boring and/or obnoxious. Whedon tends to be a pretty good storyteller, so hopefully he'd have things in hand- but if it were me, the first thing I'd do would be to put explicit limits on Scarlet Witch's powers. An infinite source of "deus ex machina/diabolus ex machina" plot devices isn't wise to hang over an audience that's willing to engage its brain, even if you never use it.

(First person to pipe up that blockbuster movie audiences and/or superhero movie audiences and/or Marvel movie audiences aren't willing/interested/there to engage their brains: spare us the "wit", please.)

Regarding NextWave: Oh, God, yes, please? And get Ellis to write the script? And maybe Gina Torres playing Monica Rambeau?

Remus:

vid87:
Scarlet Witch vs. The Infinity Gauntlet = Hell yeah!

Can't wait to see how she stands up against the gems.

Gems win, they existed first. That which existed first is stronger. It's a Temporal thing.

Clankenbeard:
Marvel does need to get some more female superheroes on the big screen. Scarlet witch is one of the first Avenegers that springs to mind for me (but I'm kinda old school). And her character and powers are a little more complex than the heavy hitters that are mostly populating the squad. I like this. I like that maybe we'll get a little deeper story. But let's be realistic--the public loved shallower plotted epic superhero battlefields.

So, female Avengers that I would like to see?

    Tigra: no
    Ms. Marvel: maybe, but just another flying heavy hitter
    Wasp: maybe
    She hulk: redundant
    Jocasta: too complicated of a story (but let's face it, Ultron WILL eventually show up on the big screen)
    Spider-Woman: I like this option (maybe it ties into the Veranke story line and the Skrulls down the road)
    Mockingbird: no

I still choose Scarlet Witch over Spider-Woman. So, I guess my vote is "good choice."

Valkyrie maybe? A few more thee's and thou's might not hurt, and she'd be an interesting counter to Thor besides Hulk simply punching him.

Fraternal Incest? What the fudge?!

Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver.

- Bryan Singer (@BryanSinger) May 23, 2013

So Fox/Singer just stole him away from Marvel..

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