If American McGee Doesn't Get Alice He'll Put Zombies In Oz

If American McGee Doesn't Get Alice He'll Put Zombies In Oz

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Scarecrow always was interested in brains.

American McGee has been angling for an Alice sequel for some time, but is dependent entirely on the goodwill of rights holder EA. Since it's always good to have a backup plan, McGee is toying with the idea of putting zombies in a steampunk version of the Wizard of Oz, in the event Alice doesn't work out for him. "There's so much fun stuff to explore," says McGee, "so many interesting characters and locations to discover." So many brains to eat as well, though that may have more attraction for Scarecrow than McGee personally. It's only in the very early stages, which means it exists as concept art - like the Dorothy you see here - and not much else.

It could go anywhere. A tentative narrative has Scarecrow, dissatisfied with the brains the Wizard gives him, going on a rampage across Oz to turn everything he meets into a zombie. Oz itself becomes a post-apocalyptic wasteland, in the game McGee's calling - at least for now - OZombie. But there's many a slip twixt the brainpan and the lip, and while McGee's thinking about Kickstarter tiers, there's no way to know whether or not this zombie apocalypse will ever see the dying light of a steampunk sun.

If the idea interests you, there's a Facebook page over here you might want to look at. Also a Twitter feed. Now tap your heels together and say, 'there's nothing like brains ...'

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Some people may be over the Zombie rush, but I for one am not. Throw zombies into anything and you've got my interest. I hope this becomes more than an idea and concept art because I am already on board for this one.

Does the Wizard of Oz really, and I mean really, if you think about, does it really need Zombies? Isn't it enough that there are Witches, Wizards, Midgets, and Flying Monkeys, as well as various other creatures both sentient and sapient? It really needs Zombies? A Wizard of Oz featuring Zombies seems really unappealing to me...

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Where is that "ALL OF MY MONEY" Pic when you need it?

They could do Oz as a squad game. Scarecrow would be 'immune' to the zombies as he has no brains but virtually no combat ability cos he is mostly straw and old clothes

"A zombie infested Steam Punk OZ."
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Is it still OZ at that point? I mean really, how many changes can you make to a setting before it ceases to be that setting? I mean at this point it sounds like something else entirely but with similarly named characters. I mean if I came up with a High Fantasy-esque world, with a story about a group of mercenaries lead by Capt. Reynolds, I couldn't really sell it as "Firefly: Tolkien Edition" could I?

That said, that concept art of Dorothy looks pretty cool.

Well you won't have EA's Marketing to blame if sales don't meet your standards. I hope he sticks close to the concept art and keeps the character design less Tim Burton-y this time around.

Mr.Mattress:
Does the Wizard of Oz really, and I mean really, if you think about, does it really need Zombies? Isn't it enough that there are Witches, Wizards, Midgets, and Flying Monkeys, as well as various other creatures both sentient and sapient? It really needs Zombies? A Wizard of Oz featuring Zombies seems really unappealing to me...

All I heard was Steampunk and I instantly think, "HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT GIVE ME GIVE ME HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT".

I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

I realise this is a bit off-topic, but whenever I see that guy's name I say to myself "Is this a joke? Is this some made up person doing these antics? Is this an elaborate ruse where a community of people create and perpetuate a persona for the lulz? Who would name their child American?"

EDIT: Apparently the mother was high at the time. Makes sense.

OT: I cannot imagine how zombies at all fit into Oz, but I'm happy to watch as they're shoehorned in anyway.

Would be more interesting if it was instead taken over by decrepit robots and steam punkish madmen. There could still be zombies, but instead of just having plain zombies, they could be the bodies of dead oz citizens reanimated by robots like in the splicers RPG. Think they called them Necro-bots in that game.

hazabaza1:
I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

I never thought of the games as "creepy" or "dark". I just thought of them as wonderful "What-if" sequels to the original books. Plus the worlds were always interesting to run through. In a day and age where people constantly complain about the "same old thing" or "Call of duty". I would have thought people would be happier for a bit of a different type of game coming through.

...Is that Dorothy holding a steampunk Nerf Maverick?
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Yes, yes she is.

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hazabaza1:
I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

I never thought of the games as "creepy" or "dark". I just thought of them as wonderful "What-if" sequels to the original books. Plus the worlds were always interesting to run through. In a day and age where people constantly complain about the "same old thing" or "Call of duty". I would have thought people would be happier for a bit of a different type of game coming through.

Eh, he just reeks of 'trying too hard' to me.
"Oooooooooh! Doll's heads are spooooooooky! Look guys! Dolls heads everywhere!"
Plus in Madness returns everything was so empty the world hardly had any sense of connectivity.

It is nice to see something different, and I probably could enjoy it but it really does feel like it's trying to be something it's not or something unnecessary.

I'd rather have a proper Oz game than these tired and silly old cliches, if it has to be dark, make a game in the style of Return To Oz. Not boring post apocalypse, steam and zombies, that's the most predictable thing you could do with this.

... Oh yay, zombies ... because that hasn't gotten old or anything ...

hazabaza1:
I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

I've never really gotten it either. The problem is that it's something that people are going to try to death because it's something that's been very effective (usually in cinema but whatever) a couple of times and people figure if they stand out in a nice open field holding metal objects they can induce more lightning strikes even if it's a perfectly clear day and they're standing in the wrong field.

I am also of the opinion that at this point "From the makers of Doom and Quake" is more of a warning than an endorsement.

This just feels like tossing potatoes over a wall while yelling "I just threw another one!" and then wait for something to happen. I would prefer he kept the projects separate as to me it just feels like the lines are blurred for exactly what game are we talking about again?

Sorry McGee but this is EA we are talking about here, you have evil creepy boss monsters in your games so you should know better by now. Just start a new IP and move on.

Holy Hell. This was all foreseen in the Escapist's very own Critical Miss

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9811-Steampunk-Feminists-Vs-Zombies

You win guys, you win

tangoprime:
...Is that Dorothy holding a steampunk Nerf Maverick?
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Yes, yes she is.

I was just about to post that, i even have it

Yes, in a magical fucking fantasy land we will put scarecrow zombies. Are you serious? Fuck the zombie plague, it's not infecting our bodies, it's infecting our fucking GAMES!

Come on there would be enough stuff in there to twist around. Rather than going the Alice 2 route do things the Alice 1 ways, take the source material and mess with it, rather than trying to insert elements of horror into it!

Mmmm I think we really just need more steampunk games. Also Star Wars, we need more Star Wars games. And superpower God powerful sandbox games.

...And maybe a Firefly game....

I'll leave now.

Sounds like McGee's trying to make a horror sequel to the original OZ film. Thanks for the thought McGee but we got one of those already. How about you follow your example from Alice 1 and, I don't know, use the source material! Seriously, the Oz books have Wicked Witches, winged monkeys, living trees, Mombi -a witch in the sequel movie who could switch (still LIVING) heads, the Army of Revolt (bunch of women who use knitting needles as weapons. Seriously, taking this into horror territory wouldn't be hard), the Hungry Tiger (always hungry tiger who wants to eats babies and children), the Nome King, Princess Langwidere of Ev (she's the head-swapper in the books and she wants Dorothy's head), the Flatheads rulers Su-dic and Coo-ee-oh, and finally there's the Deadly Desert that completely surrounds Oz (it's a magic desert that turns people who try to walk across it into sand. I mean, come on now!). And this is only the stuff that's portrayed as evil within the book series without any twisting yet. I mean, Glinda and Princess Ozma (the "good guys" leaders) run a Big Brother-esque dictatorship that controls the use of magic. Don't tell me that can't be twisted into something horrifying.

In short, there's already a ton of horrifying crap in the books; do we really need to add zombies to the mix? I like the idea of a steampunk Oz though...

I don't think it was meant that way, but I took the headline as a threat. Like he's holding Oz hostage with a zombie virus or something.

Oh. Wow. Zombies in a popular existing property. That's never been done. How original. I can see why McGee is considered such a visionary. Who else would have had the sheer creativity to take something that's existed for a long time and then put zombies in it? No one, that's who. What a fascinating, not-completely-done-to-death idea. Zombies. I have honestly never seen that before.

I actually prefer the sound of the OZ game to be honest. There isn't enough steam punk in gaming, and I am not bored with zombies as a thing, as much as I am tired of people making crappy things that have them.

That Dorothy design looks really cool.

Maybe McGee should try a pitch other than "high-concept re-imagining of fairy-tale/kidlit classic". I mean, he's got to have something rattling around under that heading besides Bad Day L.A., right? Right...?

*sigh*

Whatever.

Legion:
I actually prefer the sound of the OZ game to be honest. There isn't enough steam punk in gaming, and I am not bored with zombies as a thing, as much as I am tired of people making crappy things that have them.

That Dorothy design looks really cool.

Pretty much this.

I suppose zombies haven't been done to death for me because I haven't played every single game to come out featuring zombies, thus ruining my experiences in playing games with a zombie-based theme in them (even if it's tacked-on as an added mode, like in Call of Duty). I've played Left 4 Dead and it's "sequel", the original zombie mode in Call of Duty: World at War (and tried out the mode in friend's copies of other CoD games), there were zombies in the Beggar's Nest in Neverwinter Nights, and the Flood in the Halo series, if you count them.

Plus, Steampunk. Can never get enough of that. lol

EDIT: I would mention Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen, but I haven't encountered them yet. Oh yea, how can I forget the zombies in Minecraft?

I don't think I'll ever get the zombie craze in games. An enemy with no intelligence or self preservation skills that shambles/runs right into your line of fire? How is that interesting or engaging or fun in anyway?

hazabaza1:
I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

Its also kind of ironic given that the source material for Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz are already pretty dark (for example, the Tin Man basically cut off all his limbs and body parts due to a curse and replaced them all with tin, until all that was left was just tin)

Edit: I'm also still on board the zombie train. Red Dead Redemption definitively proved that zombies can improve any existing thing

Just when you thought titles couldn't get any stupider than "ZombiU"...
Yes, even as a placeholder title.

hazabaza1:
I never got this whole thing with American McGee.
"Let's make a kid's thing all dark and stuff" is hardly a unique idea and from what I've seen of the Alice games he makes them "creepy" in the most standard ways possible.

you should see some of his older games, they were a bit more original.

being said though, Steampunk anything and you will get sales.

 

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