Xbox One Not Backwards Compatible

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Xbox One Not Backwards Compatible

360 no son

You might want to hold on to your 360.

Despite lasting the best part of half an hour, Microsoft's Xbox One (which we're definitely calling the "Xbone") reveal was short on actual info, games and anything that didn't involve ancient blokes in identical casual suits spouting buzzwords. Tellingly, it didn't answer the three most pressing questions that have dogged the new console since rumors of it first began: Is it always online, does it block used games and does it have backwards compatibility?

The first two are still up in the air (it's now looking like the console may not require an online connection but there may be some anti-used games shenanigans going on), but according to the Verge, the console is definitely not natively backwards compatible.

Microsoft's corporate vice president of Xbox Live, Mark Whitten, says this is down to the Xbone's hardware architecture, which is a apparently a radical departure from the 360s setup.

"The system is based on a different core architecture, so back-compat doesn't really work from that perspective," he explained.

This is processor-level incompatibility, so it extends to all 360 games, disk-based or otherwise.

While hardware buffs might see the change as necessary, many see backwards compatibility as an easy way to bolster a console's library during that difficult first year on the market. Microsoft claims there'll be at least 15 exclusive Xbone games on the market by the end of its first year, eight of which are supposedly new IPs. Account for a handful of Kinect 2 titles and you're not left with many games for core gamers.

Not all is lost, however. The lack of native backwards compatibility doesn't prevent Microsoft from putting some kind of emulation system in place like it did with the 360. That system was finicky and woefully incomplete, but it did allow me to play Crimson Skies. Kind of.

Source: The Verge

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XBone is my new favourite name for this console! Long may it haunt Microsoft!

OT: I'm not particularly interested in Xbox this time around. I'm going to go for the PS4 because so far Sony seem to have more of a focus on games than Microsoft does. That's kinda important to me, as a gamer.

Either way, backwards compatibility seems less likely with each generation so it's no longer a deal breaker. Looks like I'm just going to have to make more room for all these damn boxes under my TV.

Wow, this new console just seems better and better doesn't it?

Holy cow, this is a BAD time to be a console gamer.

Maybe in seven years, we'll get the good stuff.

When did this idea of simple convenience become obsolete?

Also, I agree completely with the Xbone being the true name.

Whelp, for those saying "at least Microsoft won't be as stupid as Sony and not include Backwards compatibility" looks like that's gone out the window. And with both consoles being on said "even"ground... I think I'm going for the PS4. Primarily because the name actually sounds like it's progressing instead of falling backwards.

XBone is appropriate for this failure. Putting aside the jump in Sony's stock from the awful, awful conference... used game shenanigans and no ability to play my 34 xbox discs, to? Fuck that. I was right all along, this next gen is going to be the most incompetent. The wiiU now actually stands a chance... and it really, really shouldn't.

Xbox 360:
I have no son.

Damn right. Until they actually show some stuff I want and deny those "always online" and "the Kinect will be watching you as you play" rumours, I'm not holding high hopes for this. And that name... Xbox One? Seriously?! Yeah, X-Bone for me.

Nice to see that they were spooked away from always-online, but they just couldn't shove this console out without trying to get away with something could they?

Proverbial Jon:
XBone is my new favourite name for this console! Long may it haunt Microsoft!

LMAO that is awesome! I bet those idiots did not even think that would happen. I love the morons that work at Micro$oft

OT.

So yeah I might buy one of these.... In 2020..... For $50....

PC gaming here I GO!

Years from now... "Daddy when did the consoles die?" "well son 2013 when Sony and Micro$oft decided to screw over their existing customers." "Daddy why did they do that? Did they not like them?" " No son they hated the consumer, because they said we were all dishonest morons who would buy what they made no matter what it was" "Daddy were they stupid?" "Yes... yes they were my boy."

Xbone is appropriate considering the thing everyone is most excited about is the Call of Duty Dog.

That confrence gave me no real hope for the Xbone, and I haven't had any real interest in a Sony console in a while, so it looks like I'll be sticking with PC gaming for now.

Gearhead mk2:

Xbox 360:
I have no son.

Damn right. Until they actually show some stuff I want and deny those "always online" and "the Kinect will be watching you as you play" rumours, I'm not holding high hopes for this. And that name... Xbox One? Seriously?!

I would add something about the 360 hating its Dad too

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Based on what I saw in the conference, it looks like most of the features showcased would require a high-speed internet connection. What I'd really like to know is how much their games are going to sell for; if 59.99 is still the standard or if the price has gone up but $10. Either way, I'm not touching this thing.

What a carnival of shit this was.

Based on all that TV talk in the unveiling, I'm just calling it the IdiotBox.

Mister Six:
That confrence gave me no real hope for the Xbone, and I haven't had any real interest in a Sony console in a while, so it looks like I'll be sticking with PC gaming for now.

Yeah, the most stand out things at the Sony PS4 conference were exclusives... and this barely even has that thus far. Let the PC gaming bandwagon begin! We shall cut a trail through console territory to a promise land!

Now, they could negate this problem by making it so that I can have my original Xbox 360 and the Xbone plugged in on the same TV at the same time.

Probably wishful thinking though...

So not only will I not be able to play any used Xbone games, I won't be able to play my downloaded 360 games?

Yeah, think I might pass.

So... its gonna be like the PS3 and "teh Cell"? Hopefully for people whom it may concern, it wont be as hard to develop for as the PS3. Also, from the sounds of it, Blops 2 is gonna be my last COD purchase. Unless Ghosts comes out for the PS3 and 360 also. Not really sure if that actually bothers me...

I'm starting to worry that the reason they've avoided talking about the always online and used game blocking is that they want to try and slip it out when no-one will notice, so that they can then say they told us. Or some such method.
Still, it's been what, 2 years since my Xbox broke last time? It should be good for another year or so, as long as I avoid playing on it too much.

Grey Carter:
Microsoft claims there'll be at least 15 Xbone games on the market by the end of its first year, eight of which are supposedly new IPs. Subtract the four EA sports titles confirmed in the presentation and account for a handful of Kinect 2 titles and you're not left with many games for core gamers.

Maybe people should actually listen at these things, they very clearly said "fifteen exclusive games, eight of which will be new IPs". EA will never release exclusive games for just one console

And in come Sony defense force...

I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with internal computing hardware, but I don't see how anyone could have really expected *either* of the new consoles to be backwards compatible. Hardware is a fickle, complicated mistress, and this is why PC is plagued with problems simply because of users having different GPUs, different processors, etc.

It's ridiculously complicated and expensive to get hardware to be compatible with older models and software.

Absolute bullshit. If it's Microsoft anything, it's windows based. My computer can still play x86 games.

7 years of building a game library that won't play at all on the new system...

It's never a deal-breaker, but, dammit, Xbox's are crappy pieces of hardware, and I'd like to keep playing these games more than a few years from now.

I think end of the day, this is a very usable console. If we get our hands on it, we'll use it no issue to get stuff done easily. I'm still watching though so final opinion isn't in yet.

Presentation is god awful though. CHECK OUT OUR AMAZINGS with our epically staged conversation.

Fractral:
I'm starting to worry that the reason they've avoided talking about the always online and used game blocking is that they want to try and slip it out when no-one will notice, so that they can then say they told us. Or some such method.
Still, it's been what, 2 years since my Xbox broke last time? It should be good for another year or so, as long as I avoid playing on it too much.

They said it won't require an always online connection.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-doesnt-require-internet-connection

The used game thing is still a little sketchy in the details, they said there will be mandatory installs and that installing a disc to another console will have a fee attached, but they said they have something planned for the used game market, though there are no details as of yet.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-may-have-mandatory-game-installs

Well it looks like I'll have time to get through my backloge after all, since I'll be saving up for a PC.

Accidentally quoted myself?
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I'm rolling my eyes a bit at the people screaming bloody murder at no backwards compatibility, just keep your old consoles, it would be one thing if this was suddenly out of the blue but no backwards comparability isn't a new thing. Hell Xbox to 360 had a limited system of backwards compatibility and even then that was broken.

More and more I expect I'll end up with just PC games and possibly a WiiU. We'll see what the PS4 pulls.. but I"m not impressed with what any system is offering right now. The captcha is 'geez louise'... I'm not quite there yet, though. It's still a possible purchase, but not until there are many (read: probably 4-5 minimum) games for the system that I couldn't get on another platform.

Rednog:

Fractral:
I'm starting to worry that the reason they've avoided talking about the always online and used game blocking is that they want to try and slip it out when no-one will notice, so that they can then say they told us. Or some such method.
Still, it's been what, 2 years since my Xbox broke last time? It should be good for another year or so, as long as I avoid playing on it too much.

They said it won't require an always online connection.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-doesnt-require-internet-connection

The used game thing is still a little sketchy in the details, they said there will be mandatory installs and that installing a disc to another console will have a fee attached, but they said they have something planned for the used game market, though there are no details as of yet.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-may-have-mandatory-game-installs

That seems reasonable. To be honest, I'm not really bothered about the used game thing because I'm used to it from my time PC gaming. I do hope they add an easy to use Digital Download system though, with a HDD big enough to actually store the games. The back compatibility is my main worry because I can't really afford to shell out for a new console if/when my current one breaks again.

By different core architecture they could also be referencing in vague terms that the disk reader will no longer be HD-DVD format for obvious reasons. In which case, an emulator wouldn't matter where disks are concerned because they're the wrong format.

I didn't count on there being a processor level difference. I'm not sure why there would be if the setup is non-proprietary like the ps4 has moved to. Perhaps the 360's processor was more proprietary than I thought? I really can't see it being all that different programming-wise unless they took a step in the wrong direction. Fortunately the 360 should be much more easy to emulate than the ps3 is and isn't too unreasonable an idea. Unless microsoft just wants to make people repurchase their store.

Lightknight:
By different core architecture they could also be referencing in vague terms that the disk reader will no longer be HD-DVD format for obvious reasons. In which case, an emulator wouldn't matter where disks are concerned because they're the wrong format.

It's using a Blu Ray drive, but Blu Ray drives can read DVDs. It's down to the processors being different.

Trishbot:
I'd like to keep playing these games more than a few years from now.

Then keep your 360...

I don't see what all the complaining is about!? If you have 360 games you love then keep your 360 and plug it in when you want to play. It doesn't take long to switch a few cables around and bingo. Sorted.

So wait...why didn't microsoft just implement some sort of virtualization as a solution for backwards compatibility? Wouldn't be that hard to do that or take up much hard drive space.

Seems kinda lazy to me because we all know how much emulation support Microsoft gave the 360 to the xbox.

There really is no excuse now to not have some sort of backwards compatibility solution as we have moved away from having to build actual chipsets.

tehroc:
Absolute bullshit. If it's Microsoft anything, it's windows based. My computer can still play x86 games.

Windows is just software, there would still need to be a xenon CPU (which is PowerPC architecture, not x86).

The ps4 has the same problem though. They are changing to an 84x platform too.

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