Xbox One Not Backwards Compatible

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Microsoft: Hey you know those guys who buy all our stuff and make or break our console and are the reason we have money and jobs? Yeah, fuck those guys!

Really? You know, I wasn't really planning on buying either of the new consoles anyway, and definitely not immediately, but this makes it even less likely. I just bought the updated 360 not that long ago, why the hell would I buy another new one?

There are just so many bad decisions going into this new wave of consoles. I have no idea what they're thinking.

I think the real shocking thing here is that it isn't backwards compatible with VHS tapes. It looks like it should play them afterall.

And so far there doesn't seem to be any reason to buy one in the first place, so backwards compatability is a non-issue. Stick with the 360 which is just barely still a games console.

xPixelatedx:
XBone is appropriate for this failure. Putting aside the jump in Sony's stock from the awful, awful conference... used game shenanigans and no ability to play my 34 xbox discs, to? Fuck that. I was right all along, this next gen is going to be the most incompetent. The wiiU now actually stands a chance... and it really, really shouldn't.

I know right, this is going to be a sad sad generation...

With all of the lack of backwards compatibility, I'm glad that the WiiU has it at least. There's only so much space under a TV some people have for consoles and so many cords that can be plugged into a TV at one time. I think the lack of BC will hurt the ease of access consoles have.
I only hope the WiiU virtual console will get some gamecube games on there instead of re-releasing the games on Wii's virtual console. If the WiiU can play games from every generation prior to it, that should give it some respect it needs right now.

Unpopular opinion incoming:
1. Backwards compatibility is not an issue for me. I owned many different generations of consoles and only PS2, PS3 (to an extent) and 360 were backwards compatible. So I am used to not being able to play previous libraries on the nex-gen systems.
2. I hardly ever buy used, so this isn't a big deal for me either. I prefer new items, plus I know how to clearance shop.
3. I never buy a system on launch, I wait for about 6-12 months and see what has changed and what has been fixed.

In closing I care only about the future of the system itself not the past titles I own and have played the shit out of already. And I tend to keep my old systems so if I wanted to play games on them I could.
If they could come up with a way of improving graphics on older games in backwards compatibility I'd be more inclined to rage about the lack of the feature. But it don't work that way.

Midniqht:
And in come Sony defense force...

I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with internal computing hardware, but I don't see how anyone could have really expected *either* of the new consoles to be backwards compatible. Hardware is a fickle, complicated mistress, and this is why PC is plagued with problems simply because of users having different GPUs, different processors, etc.

It's ridiculously complicated and expensive to get hardware to be compatible with older models and software.

Agreed. Its seems like people want their games to have some kind of immortality and I don't think that will ever be possible. The Wii was backwards compatible because it used the same parts as the gamecube except the gpu was over clocked. Backwards compatibility is easy when your stuff is almost the same shit. That said, I doubt I'll ever lose access to my games. I'll just keep my old consoles. Plus, there will always be re-releases and pc emulation

If you told me 2 years ago that the big screen controller console WiiU would have been the most promising console of the next generation I would never have believed you. But with Sony and Microsoft fucking up their consoles this badly what with no Backward combatibility, Apps everywhere, and very little actual games being pushed. I am more inclined to make the WiiU the only console I get of the next Generation.

PoolCleaningRobot:

Midniqht:
And in come Sony defense force...

I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with internal computing hardware, but I don't see how anyone could have really expected *either* of the new consoles to be backwards compatible. Hardware is a fickle, complicated mistress, and this is why PC is plagued with problems simply because of users having different GPUs, different processors, etc.

It's ridiculously complicated and expensive to get hardware to be compatible with older models and software.

Agreed. Its seems like people want their games to have some kind of immortality and I don't think that will ever be possible. The Wii was backwards compatible because it used the same parts as the gamecube except the gpu was over clocked. Backwards compatibility is easy when your stuff is almost the same shit. That said, I doubt I'll ever lose access to my games. I'll just keep my old consoles. Plus, there will always be re-releases and pc emulation

Assuming the next console will be x64 then backwards compatibility will be easier next time (for xbox and playstation).

I have only one reaction to this.

crap...

This is why I like computers. The games you played on a computer 10 years ago, you can still play on computers today. The games you're playing on computers today, you'll be able to play 10 years, or 20 years from now.

Why do people care about BC? Look, only one console had it PS2. 360/PS3 had a half arsed version for a year or so and stopped and thats it.

Whelp, that settles it. I will not be purchasing the Xboner upon its release, from what I'm hearing its going to be a horrid, money grubbing machine.

Grey Carter:

Lightknight:
By different core architecture they could also be referencing in vague terms that the disk reader will no longer be HD-DVD format for obvious reasons. In which case, an emulator wouldn't matter where disks are concerned because they're the wrong format.

It's using a Blu Ray drive, but Blu Ray drives can read DVDs. It's down to the processors being different.

Can they read HD-DVD's? I seem to remember blu ray players being unable to read HD-DVDs or vice versa and the 360 bet heavily (and lost) on the HD-DVD format.

I'm actually okay with this considering how little I ended up using it in the past

wizzy555:

PoolCleaningRobot:

Midniqht:
And in come Sony defense force...

I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with internal computing hardware, but I don't see how anyone could have really expected *either* of the new consoles to be backwards compatible. Hardware is a fickle, complicated mistress, and this is why PC is plagued with problems simply because of users having different GPUs, different processors, etc.

It's ridiculously complicated and expensive to get hardware to be compatible with older models and software.

Agreed. Its seems like people want their games to have some kind of immortality and I don't think that will ever be possible. The Wii was backwards compatible because it used the same parts as the gamecube except the gpu was over clocked. Backwards compatibility is easy when your stuff is almost the same shit. That said, I doubt I'll ever lose access to my games. I'll just keep my old consoles. Plus, there will always be re-releases and pc emulation

Assuming the next console will be x64 then backwards compatibility will be easier next time (for xbox and playstation).

This is true too. They basically had to make this switch so it would be easier to make games now and make backwards compatibly a possibility in the future (they basically messed up this gen). But the playstation 5 and Xbone 2 are a long ways off so who knows what we'll have by then. I'm not yet willing ever to invest in a 100% backwards compatible future

Lightknight:

Grey Carter:

Lightknight:
By different core architecture they could also be referencing in vague terms that the disk reader will no longer be HD-DVD format for obvious reasons. In which case, an emulator wouldn't matter where disks are concerned because they're the wrong format.

It's using a Blu Ray drive, but Blu Ray drives can read DVDs. It's down to the processors being different.

Can they read HD-DVD's? I seem to remember blu ray players being unable to read HD-DVDs or vice versa and the 360 bet heavily (and lost) on the HD-DVD format.

Er. The 360 runs on regular, old-fashioned DVDs, mate. The HD-DVD stuff was purely a (short lived) add on.

Thank you for coining Xbone. May the name go down in history before the console goes down in flames.

TKretts3:
This is why I like computers. The games you played on a computer 10 years ago, you can still play on computers today. The games you're playing on computers today, you'll be able to play 10 years, or 20 years from now.

False. I got the Legacy Cain collection on Steam from a friend and the original games (that came out for the ps1) did not work on my Windows 7 machine. Apparently it was because I was using 64 bit instead of 32 bit

Grey Carter:
Er. The 360 runs on regular, old-fashioned DVDs, mate. The HD-DVD stuff was purely a (short lived) add on.

Hmm, I stand corrected! Thanks for the response. Thanks for the article too.

Hehehe, Xbone. Yes, and let it be known throughout the land as such. I would get more angry but at this point I'm just at the 'haha I'm so glad I'm not a console user, part of the ordeal'.

Tis a damn shame, they had so many chances to hook me, and blew nearly every single opportunity.

Charli:
Hehehe, Xbone. Yes, and let it be known throughout the land as such. I would get more angry but at this point I'm just at the 'haha I'm so glad I'm not a console user, part of the ordeal'.

Tis a damn shame, they had so many chances to hook me, and blew nearly every single opportunity.

Xbone is certainly better than calling it Xbox one. Am I the only person who has been calling the original Xbox "Xbox 1" to prevent any sort of confusion with what is frequently called the Xbox 360?

I'll add that you stand to benefit from consoles doing well even if you're a pc gamer.

SonOfVoorhees:
Why do people care about BC? Look, only one console had it PS2. 360/PS3 had a half arsed version for a year or so and stopped and thats it.

I'm just gonna assume you forgot that Nintendo, the Wii, and the WiiU exist. If we're counting handhelds, then most of their handhelds as well.

I missed the presentation, so I'm wondering if they're going to re-release 360 games for Xbone via digital download.

So let me ask you guys:

If you bought digital content for 360 and transfer your Live account to a new Xbox One, do you think your 360 purchases should transfer to the new box? What about movies and other stuff? Sorry, I don't know if they covered that.

In addition, do you think you should be able to enjoy said digital content on your "old" 360 as well?

I guess I don't care about what Microsoft might have said, I want to know what you guys think is fair.

The worst part about this, in my view, is the next year or so of game releases. Some will be for the last generation, some for the next, some for both. Assuming the multiplayer will only connect the same consoles, that means there will be split audiences, and some people will have to buy the same game twice. I think I'll stay out of that mess until the Xbone drops its price tag.

xPixelatedx:
XBone is appropriate for this failure. Putting aside the jump in Sony's stock from the awful, awful conference... used game shenanigans and no ability to play my 34 xbox discs, to? Fuck that. I was right all along, this next gen is going to be the most incompetent. The wiiU now actually stands a chance... and it really, really shouldn't.

LOL. It's up to $22 now.

Kinda wish I bought more than 8 shares back when it was $15.

On topic: I wish the Xbone was BC, it would have increased my odds of buying it since I didn't have a 360.

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Shame on you, Xbone! You make bunny sad!

xPixelatedx:
XBone is appropriate for this failure. Putting aside the jump in Sony's stock from the awful, awful conference... used game shenanigans and no ability to play my 34 xbox discs, to? Fuck that. I was right all along, this next gen is going to be the most incompetent. The wiiU now actually stands a chance... and it really, really shouldn't.

May I ask you how often you spend time playing old games? I've always kept my old systems and my old games in pretty good condition but I'll say I haven't pulled out an old console for some time now and am wondering if I've just been slowly building a video game shrine/museum for decades now. Maybe it's just me but I methodically play games the first time through and generally to as near 100% completion as I want to get.

Don't get me wrong, I almost cried the day FF Tactics (The Lion Wars, not that advanced crap) came out on the PSP. But I never considered cracking my old PS1 out an playing the original game even though I still have both. I'm always too preoccupied with newer games and the recent backlog of games I'm still catching up on. There's too much in the now and near future to spend too much time looking back.

Backwards compatibility is a nice feature. But it's never been that useful for me. If you and people like you genuinely have a different method of replaying games than I do, then ok. But I don't see many people who can afford the new systems and yet still spend their time playing old games with any regularity.

At this point all I can really say is big deal. When it comes to backwards compatibility, people complain but it was never a universal feature in gaming. Its a "here and there" feature. Sometimes its there, sometimes its not, but its never really been a major factor when it comes to buying a console to me. Its always been one of those nitpicky gaming things. Just keep the old console and bust it out when you really want to enjoy some older games. It's not that complex or time consuming to switch some cables around.

can't say this bothers me that much in comparison to the other two related 'features', but its still stupid of them to not do.

oh well, the wise will hold their systems.

Madmanonfire:

SonOfVoorhees:
Why do people care about BC? Look, only one console had it PS2. 360/PS3 had a half arsed version for a year or so and stopped and thats it.

I'm just gonna assume you forgot that Nintendo, the Wii, and the WiiU exist. If we're counting handhelds, then most of their handhelds as well.

The point still stands that outside of Nintendo's handhelds and the Gamecube/Wii/WiiU BC, the vast majority of gaming history has shown very little backwards compatibility. And that's perfectly fine. It's not like the Console Generation Ninjas come to your house and rob you of your consoles when the generations switch.

Do we even know the shelf-life of this new Xbone? I hope it takes at least more than two years before the Xbone RROD's and you have to buy more Xbones.

amaranth_dru:
Unpopular opinion incoming:
1. Backwards compatibility is not an issue for me. I owned many different generations of consoles and only PS2, PS3 (to an extent) and 360 were backwards compatible. So I am used to not being able to play previous libraries on the nex-gen systems.
2. I hardly ever buy used, so this isn't a big deal for me either. I prefer new items, plus I know how to clearance shop.
3. I never buy a system on launch, I wait for about 6-12 months and see what has changed and what has been fixed.

In closing I care only about the future of the system itself not the past titles I own and have played the shit out of already. And I tend to keep my old systems so if I wanted to play games on them I could.
If they could come up with a way of improving graphics on older games in backwards compatibility I'd be more inclined to rage about the lack of the feature. But it don't work that way.

1. Backwards compatibility is important for people what are willing to buy into the XBox line for the first time. When I bought a PS3, the system I had prior to that was a Sega Genesis. It was a delight to be able to play PS2 games until the good stuff came out on PS3.

2. PC Gamers have had to deal with this for years. The concept of "used" games got replaced by Steam Sales and GoG sales. The developer gets the profit and consumers get a huge discount. Consoles have to make the transition sometime, but with this new iterative Xbone changing for used games, requiring installation, and trying to be a multimedia device, what differentiates it from a simple gaming PC? Pay a little extra and you can get an amazing gaming laptop and don't have to splurge on a TV.

3. Microsoft wants you to buy its system on launch. You may be one of the smart consumers, but at-launch buyers are key for Microsoft.

SonOfVoorhees:
Why do people care about BC? Look, only one console had it PS2. 360/PS3 had a half arsed version for a year or so and stopped and thats it.

In this generation, to me, it is a little different, because both consoles developed an ecosystem.

We spent the last 7 years buying digital games, adding friends, collecting trophies/achievements.
And now both companies are just asking us to throw all that investment (of time and money) away, to start all over again.

Lastly, I also think that this generation left a bigger backlog than previous ones, considering how lenghty games have gotten (comparatively) and the tons of digital games being released on the market...

I have survived several times without backwards compatibility, but I think this particular time it's more annoying than has previously been.

Backwards compatibility matters if you're trying to attract people to your line of consoles for the first time. It matters to attract the PS3 owners willing to make the switch.

Additionally, considering the Xbox360's life expectancy, it matters to Xbox owners as well when (not if) their old console dies.

Half-assed backwards compatibility is still backwards compatibility, and it's attractive for console-loyalists, people willing to make the switch, and people whose consoles will eventually fail.

Is it just me or does Microsoft essentially sound rude or combative in all this? I don't remember anything close to this attitude for the 360 information release.

Absolutionis:
1. Backwards compatibility is important for people what are willing to buy into the XBox line for the first time. When I bought a PS3, the system I had prior to that was a Sega Genesis. It was a delight to be able to play PS2 games until the good stuff came out on PS3.

It isn't important to them, per se. It's just a nice feature that really adds to the selling point. The ps4 had to correct the ridiculous mistake they made with the proprietary processor of the ps3 that actively made things difficult to program for so this was necessary for them. I'm not sure why the 360 had to do this. How could it be that different unless they went from a fairly standard setup to a proprietary one themselves (making the same mistake their competitors did)? Hopefully emulation will clear that up but I'm not sure there something else at play here. We'll have to wait on that though. It's nice to have a back catalogue but a new entrant into the console brand isn't going to have an established catalogue in their closet like we would. If someone really wants that, I recommend waiting for the $150 addon that allows for backward compatibility. The PS4 is releasing one of those too. For the Xbox 1 the addon is called a pre-owned 360 and for the ps4 it's called a pre-owned ps3. In another year they may be even cheaper than $150 like the PS2 was last time around.

2. PC Gamers have had to deal with this for years. The concept of "used" games got replaced by Steam Sales and GoG sales. The developer gets the profit and consumers get a huge discount. Consoles have to make the transition sometime, but with this new iterative Xbone changing for used games, requiring installation, and trying to be a multimedia device, what differentiates it from a simple gaming PC? Pay a little extra and you can get an amazing gaming laptop and don't have to splurge on a TV.

I have to admit, this was no small motivation in building my pc. Very cheap games and a very high quality service that steam was offering.

3. Microsoft wants you to buy its system on launch. You may be one of the smart consumers, but at-launch buyers are key for Microsoft.

Hmm, I don't think I've ever gotten a system at launch. Maybe half a year afterwards. I thought Sega already taught us that lesson?

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