Microsoft Hints at Pre-Owned Fee For Xbox One Games

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Microsoft Hints at Pre-Owned Fee For Xbox One Games

Xbox One

It's not looking good for fans of used games.

Microsoft has heavily implied that the Xbox successor, dubbed the "Xbox One" in brave defiance of traditional math, will charge users to install pre-owned games. Before we get into the nitty gritty of why that's a horrible, horrible idea, let's see what Microsoft's reps actually said.

Talking to Wired, a Microsoft rep confirmed that, much like PS3 games, Xbox One games will require a mandatory install to the console's 500GB harddrive. That makes sense, the Xbox One is using a Blu Ray drive with much slower read times than traditional a DVD drive. However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be run without the disc in the drive.

Clearly there has to be some kind of system in place to tie specific discs to specific drives, or else gamers could just pass the discs around, installing them on various systems. That's where things get scary. The Microsoft rep did say that if the disc was used with a second account, on the same console or a different one, the new user would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game, attaching a new copy to their account that they can play without the disc. There was no info on how much this fee will be.

Now I see you eying your torch and/or pitchfork, but let's wait on that for just a moment. The rep's choice of words seems to indicate that, while installing the game to the HDD is mandatory, running it without the disc is not. This could mean that borrowed or rented Xbone games might offer players the opportunity to buy the game for a reduced price, while still functioning as regular game discs. Or it could, as many fear, be the spear tip of Microsoft's oft-rumored impending attack on used games.

When asked whether the fee was mandatory, the Microsoft rep apparently couldn't provide an answer. Oh dear. If this is a legitimate attempt to curb used-sales, it's the most blatantly anti-consumer decision in the history of the industry. Good show, Microsoft.

Source: Wired

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The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought brand-new at full price?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

So this explains why EA are so happy to drop online passes!

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

I'd say there's bullets in all the chambers. One for one foot, one for the other, one for each leg, one for the gut, and one for the head.

I want this to fail so hard that the industry crashes and starts being run by the Indies.

No, I'm not going to get it. Not going to get it.
*said while listening to T.A.T.U*

Seriously, I'm starting to wonder if we should hire ex FBI interrogators to question microsoft on this. Yes or no answers only. No worming out of it. No maybes. You're gonna tell us whether you plan on being massive cunts.

And if you do? Well, thanks for telling the truth. Now wave goodbye to all your fans.

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

The foot? I hope those assholes shoot themselves in the head (the company, not the people). They have treated their customers like shit since about 2003, so I hope those douchebags get what they deserve.

Zombie_Moogle:
Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

Will probably work like Steam, you can download, delete local data, re download/install from disc as much as you want. The game will most likely be attached to your xbox live account.

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

Christ, at this rate, it's more likely to be a shot to the head.

If this console doesnt have a really REALLY low price and free xbox live then im done.... just done
sorry Halo, i loved you but i cant handle your parents

They really do need to clarify whether or not you can still run used games off the disc, and that the fee is only for installing onto the hard drive. If it is a forced install regardless and you have to pay a fee in order to play the game at all, that is bullshit.

The wording in the article I read was kind of confusing when it came to that explanation.

Regardless of how this turns out, I'm still not getting this console. I already decided that a long time ago.

Wait, it is tied to a single account. What about games that only allow for one save file? What are me and my brother supposed to do? Pay $60 for the game and then who knows how much more just so we can have two save files. Thanks Microsoft for turning me into a Sony fan boy.

Zombie_Moogle:
Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought brand-new at full price?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

It also says that this is account-based. So odds are, it will work like Steam, keeping track of all of the games you purchased, whether they are installed right now or not.

My question is more to "What about multi-user homes?" We've got a generation right now where every member of a household has their own account, with their own achievements, friends, and history. I don't think you'll entice too many people to buy the activation for each family member who wants to play the game you've already paid $60 for.

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

Too bad the safety was only available through Gamestop pre-order.

Azaraxzealot:

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

I'd say there's bullets in all the chambers. One for one foot, one for the other, one for each leg, one for the gut, and one for the head.

I want this to fail so hard that the industry crashes and starts being run by the Indies.

Just hop on board for the Ouya they seem to be the only system who give a flying fuck at this point.

Microsoft Pre(One)d games tm
Better with Kinect!

They'll make money out of anything.

I'm not totally against this if that "fee" goes to the developers of the game because I like to support good devs where possible. But if the big M is raking in a huge profit then this is a definite no-go area for me. Ya know, even if I wasn't dead set on a PS4 by this point...

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

They've already shot themselves in the foot. The question is: How long until they realise it?

Any news on an Xbone Pizza Hut app? I'm suprised they didn't lead the conference with that.

Zombie_Moogle:
Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought brand-new at full price?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

Yes, because the game is connected to your account. You can delete and reinstall all you want. Just not if its some one elses copy, then you would pay a fee cos that game would be connected to some one elses account.

Dear Microsoft,

if this is true, please go eat a bag of dicks.

Sincerely, gamers.

Ok, I can sort of get having to pay a fee if you're going to install your game on a different console, but you'll have to pay and install the game again if you want to play the game on a different account on the same console? Da fuq? You do know that absolutely no one will be game for that.

This thing just seems to be taking the piss more and more. Stories are all about an ugly console (not really a problem), Kinect 2, used games fees, another call of duty and a OS crammed with social media dribble.

Can't say they've impressed me with this one, hopefully Sony can do better in a few weeks time.

*Sorry, double post, phone browser screw up*

Grey Carter:

However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

I dont think its all that bad, depends on the price they will charge for playing a pre owned game. If its a few pounds its not that big a deal if you bought the game for 10. Although, for me, most of the games i play are rentals from Lovefilm and i only buy new games if they are something i really want.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Azaraxzealot:

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

I'd say there's bullets in all the chambers. One for one foot, one for the other, one for each leg, one for the gut, and one for the head.

I want this to fail so hard that the industry crashes and starts being run by the Indies.

And cost many many people their jobs in the process! YAY!

Seriously, why would anyone WANT the industry to crash?? Regardless of how you feel about things right now, that just seems incredibly selfish.

OT: Well, either way, I don't plan to buy this console. I'll probably just settle for the PS4 and possibly a better computer so I can get more into PC gaming.

DVS BSTrD:

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

Too bad the safety was only available through Gamestop pre-order.

I laughed at that far harder than I should have. Then I let out a long drawn out sigh of sadness.

Elijah Newton:

Grey Carter:

However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

It's not a typo. That's what I'm calling it.

Grey Carter:

Elijah Newton:

Grey Carter:

However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

It's not a typo. That's what I'm calling it.

ha it's nice to see a game journalist with a sense of humor.

Grey Carter:

Elijah Newton:

Grey Carter:

However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

It's not a typo. That's what I'm calling it.

I think It's brilliant.

Also, it's much quicker to say than "Xbox One"(of all the names they could have picked).

Does Microsoft just hates the possiblity that people might buy their system or something? That's the only explanation I can think nof for being so stupid.

Grey Carter:
However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Congratulations on coming up with the name everyone's going to use from now on. It just fits so well.

...In breaking news the entire staff of Gamestop commited ritualistic suicide today, prompting countless inquiries as to the cause and a clean up of blood from the lower paid sales reps.

When asked to comment, one sales rep said:

"Can we interest you in a 12 month xbox live coupon with your purchase?"

Moving on from that nonsense, this whole thing seems like some clown honking his nose deliriously into a camera, it's funny at first but then the humor drains away after 10 minutes and you start to wonder if you might be delusional or the clown itself is a poor tortured, deranged weirdo who needs help understanding the world around him.

Oh nifty I passed 3000 posts, Only took just over 4 and a half years. Hurrah.

death525:
Wait, it is tied to a single account. What about games that only allow for one save file? What are me and my brother supposed to do? Pay $60 for the game and then who knows how much more just so we can have two save files. Thanks Microsoft for turning me into a Sony fan boy.

If a person is playing a game they didnt pay for themselves they are clearly a damn dirty thieving pirate bastard and should be flogged mercilessly

I often take multiplayer games to my friends' houses so we can play them there. Since lugging my Xbox around is dumb as shit, I just carry the disk.

Someone care to tell me why this new system is screwing me and my friends over when we're using the product as (presumably) intended?

Cecilthedarkknight_234:

Grey Carter:

Elijah Newton:

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

It's not a typo. That's what I'm calling it.

ha it's nice to see a game journalist with a sense of humor.

and we were here, the day it started :D

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