Microsoft Hints at Pre-Owned Fee For Xbox One Games

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Clovus:
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I'm not sure this is the greatest attack on consumers in history or something though. Was that what Half-life 2 was? Are all Steamworks games doing this? Because when I buy a great game that just came out a couple monthts ago for $10 and then install it on multiple computers, I really don't feel like I've been attacked.

the difference is if i wanted a PC id buy a PC for 2 grand and never look back however for people who buy consoles it for the convience of not having to bother with the installs, the one time use games, and all the other rigmaroll that comes along with the PC.
what Xbone has done here is essentially made a PC and are now calling it a console, yet i cant swap graphics cards, ram, or anything else to improve its proformance and unlike PCs its not BC to older PC games which is bizarre cosidering i can play xp games on 8 and some 95 games

Looks like the Xbone is not going to get very far, it seems only the Cod/Battlefield dudebros will keep it afloat if at all. Still who knows, they may do a one eighty and reaveal that this a big send up and the real new console is behind a curtain or some shit.

... Sony, you can't mess this up. The Xbox One looks like a Phillips CDi and is physically assaulting the used game market with a baseball bat. The only way Microsoft could make itself look worse is if the console was built using child labor and our river of tears.

Fappy:
The bullet's in the chamber. Will they shoot themselves in the foot?

It's looking more like these idiots have the barrel in their mouths.

OT:This move is full dumbfuckery I have an Xbox now, but if the fee is over ten dollars I'm done with these dipshits.

Might be time to get a gaming laptop, does anyone what the good ones are?

FinalDream:
So this explains why EA are so happy to drop online passes!

Thats nothing mate. I read on kotaku that the fee will be full price.....thats why ea is happy.

Grey Carter:

Elijah Newton:

Grey Carter:

However, unlike PS3 games, once installed, Xbone games can be ran without the disc in the drive.

Oh sweet manky jeebus, please don't let this be a typo to be corrected. 'Xbone' is too terrific, just go with it. I think it's how I'm going to refer to it.

I say this as an owner of an Xbox and an Xbox 360 - based on what I'm reading I really don't think I want to get Xbone'd.

It's not a typo. That's what I'm calling it.

Thank you for this truly great contribution to society.

Forevermore I am pronouncing this console as "Ex Bone". I refer to it as such on every website I ever visit. Somehow, some way, this is going to catch on.

Oh yeah, and also this idea is horrible Microsoft how could you blah blah blah...

For this to make any business sense, the fee is going to have to be fairly steep. Otherwise people would just pool their money for a new copy and pass it around.

I wouldn't say this is so much an attack on pre-owned games as an attack on physical copies in general, and that Microsoft are trying to move closer to Apple's business model whereby it's most convenient to purchase everything through their App Store.

Xbone indeed!

So on topic. Are you just TRYING to piss off your customers now? Not only are all these rumors and half-facts floating around, but MS is not coming out to put things straight. They could be doing it for the free press and public attention, but they don't need it. Everyone knew the "next box", "720", "xbox infinity", or whatever you called it was coming out. This marketing ploy is starting to smell of EA... I guess my faithfully 360 will serve me for quite some time still.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Dear Microsoft,

if this is true, please go eat a bag of dicks.

Sincerely, gamers.

Don't go putting words in my mouth. As much as this idea makes the new Xbox look undesirable, especially in comparison with the Playstation 4, it's not as of right now a huge screw over. Yeah, it sucks that I wont be able to lend games anymore and what not, but it basically just means that the Xbox One is just a console with computer like aspects. I'm probably not going to buy the Xbox One, but I don't see the need to throw hate at a company before all the information is given.

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Oh boy, if you thought Jim was mad this week, just you wait!

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A lot of this just doesn't fit. It seems impossible to me that a console could not be always-online whilst still making games account-bound.

Although I don't buy used games, I still believe that reselling a good is a consumer right, so I won't be getting an Xbone on principle. Also because my internet sucks and any sort of always-online would be horrible.

bug_of_war:
Yeah, it sucks that I wont be able to lend games anymore and what not, but it basically just means that the Xbox One is just a console with computer like aspects. I'm probably not going to buy the Xbox One, but I don't see the need to throw hate at a company before all the information is given.

What IS an issue is the fact you have to pay again if you want to play with a second account on the SAME console.

That's where the screw over is happening.

Guys... just read this FAQ and most of your fears will be dismissed.

cricket chirps:
"The Microsoft rep did say that if the disc was used with a second account, on the same console" then they pay a fee. So if I buy a game and ANYONE else in my house wants to play they have to use my account or buy the game for themselves for their account.

Microsoft is apperantly run by f@#^*!% idiots.
I will be skiping this entire console generation apperantly. Wow who would have thought the the people to convince me to become a computer gamer would be the people selling the consoles.

I'd just like to point out the PS4 doesn't have these issues.... Neither does the WiiU if only more games were on it

Andy Shandy:
Turns out that pre-owned fee thing is false, at least if Xbox's official support Twitter is anything to go by.

Please make a thread and shut everyone up, i knew Microsoft wouldn't be that stupid.

Nashidar:

What IS an issue is the fact you have to pay again if you want to play with a second account on the SAME console.

That's where the screw over is happening.

...then use the same account. I've never had that issue where I've needed a second account for someone else to use to play the same game on because most people have their own console/most games give you the option to use multiple save files on the same profile. As with split-screen multiplayer, I'm sure we'll still be able to do so without everyone paying 40 bucks. So while this isn't an attractive feature, it's not something that I find entirely off putting. I still haven't decided whether I'm getting a PS4 or an Xbone yet, and to be honest the main deciding factor is going to be the games available on each console. And right now all Sony is offering is some okay-ish games that don't really interest me/games going to be available on 360/PS3, so yeah, I'm totally on the fence right now.

I love how the supporters of the "anti-used game" method are telling use that it's not big deal to be inconvenienced like this. It is a big deal because it is so inconvenienced. Everything about the Xbox One screams, "We do not trust our customers with our product." And some of you are, "Okay, cool." Not this type of tactic is never okay, EVER. They are making it extremely difficult for their customers with not positive side to it. Valve may have a similar tactic, but they give great support and sales to the customer. Nothing about this is even remotely close to the word Acceptable.

spartandude:
If this console doesnt have a really REALLY low price and free xbox live then im done.... just done
sorry Halo, i loved you but i cant handle your parents

That's how I feel now. I refuse to pay for Xbox Live when literally all their competitors are offering free online services. And offline Halo isn't worth the cost of a 360, and I have no interest in Gears or Forza.

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It's as ugly as an old 1980's VCR but it seems the VCR is a lot more user friendly.
I think it's funny how they thought this was going to go over reasonably saying no used games and all that nonsense. And to the people trying to compare this to steam, no it's not the same, the games are never discounted in sales at 75% off including 4 packs where you can get 1 copy free in that.

If this is true, I think Microsft has earned the escapist certified bad idea award.
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Shine on you crazy diamond.

Wait till the publishers hear about it.
Apperently now instead of paying the artist you have to pay publishers AND microsoft extra fees :D

Zombie_Moogle:
Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought brand-new at full price?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

not 1 install. 1 account. the way it looks is that it ties to your xbox account, and if your not using internet they cant do squat about it essentialy you can reinstalle it as many times as you want if you are usign same xbox account. (or not using one? can you do that if your offline? my cousin is still "in account" even without it being connected to the net, dont own xbox myself).

death525:
Wait, it is tied to a single account. What about games that only allow for one save file? What are me and my brother supposed to do? Pay $60 for the game and then who knows how much more just so we can have two save files. Thanks Microsoft for turning me into a Sony fan boy.

wait, isnt one save file kinda died way back in 2005 or so? do they still actually use such crappy technique?

Aris Khandr:

My question is more to "What about multi-user homes?" We've got a generation right now where every member of a household has their own account, with their own achievements, friends, and history. I don't think you'll entice too many people to buy the activation for each family member who wants to play the game you've already paid $60 for.

What about them? according to the companies, you should buy a new game for each machine.

scorptatious:
And cost many many people their jobs in the process! YAY!

Seriously, why would anyone WANT the industry to crash?? Regardless of how you feel about things right now, that just seems incredibly selfish.

OT: Well, either way, I don't plan to buy this console. I'll probably just settle for the PS4 and possibly a better computer so I can get more into PC gaming.

Some companies need to go bancrupt so other, better ones may take their place. such is a nature of free market. sure, it costs peoples work in the process, but that is a casuallity we have accepted the moment we agreed to use free market system. a crash would actually be a good thing at this point despite the people loosing thier jobs. also there are some people that deserve to loose thier jobs if this is what they come up with.
And yes, it is selfish to want the company to go away and be replaced by a better one, because a better company will be better, you know.
Also, your not buying Xbone? then you want it to crash too, how evil of you (im joking ofc).

CJ1145:
I often take multiplayer games to my friends' houses so we can play them there. Since lugging my Xbox around is dumb as shit, I just carry the disk.

Someone care to tell me why this new system is screwing me and my friends over when we're using the product as (presumably) intended?

your friend has 2 xbox systems?

Gamegodtre:
the difference is if i wanted a PC id buy a PC for 2 grand and never look back however for people who buy consoles it for the convience of not having to bother with the installs, the one time use games, and all the other rigmaroll that comes along with the PC.
what Xbone has done here is essentially made a PC and are now calling it a console, yet i cant swap graphics cards, ram, or anything else to improve its proformance and unlike PCs its not BC to older PC games which is bizarre cosidering i can play xp games on 8 and some 95 games

PC installs are easier than Console isntalls nowadays. One-time-games were a faield experiment and i only ever bought one that had something like that (FC2, shitty game). PC gaming is no longer a "you must know about computers" type of deal, its as easy as console gaming. it got streamlined years ago.

SonOfVoorhees:
Thats nothing mate. I read on kotaku that the fee will be full price.....thats why ea is happy.

<facepalm>
kotaku. and you believed it?

Nashidar:

What IS an issue is the fact you have to pay again if you want to play with a second account on the SAME console.

That's where the screw over is happening.

or maybe you shouldnt be making a hundred accounts that are good for nothing but spamming? why cant people use 1 account?

arc1991:
Please make a thread and shut everyone up, i knew Microsoft wouldn't be that stupid.

Major Nelson said on his blog that people playing used games would have to pay unless the original game's owner was signed in on their console.

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/

I doubt Major Nelson (the director of programming at Microsoft) is giving out false information.

wooty:
This thing just seems to be taking the piss more and more. Stories are all about an ugly console (not really a problem), Kinect 2, used games fees, another call of duty and a OS crammed with social media dribble.

Can't say they've impressed me with this one, hopefully Sony can do better in a few weeks time.

I think Sony is going to be the refined, sleek alternative to Microsoft's untenable monster.

They botched online this generation, but they get how important it is now. I don't see it being a problem this go around. Combine that with PS + that is absolutely worth the price you pay for it, and a system that is feature packed but not full of bloatware like this new Xbox is looking to be, and it's a no brainer I think.

Any serious consumer can tell when a company is more interested in turning everyone one of their customers into a revenue stream, opposed to a company interested in a great product as well as the bottom line.

I'm in for a PS4 barring any unforeseen revelations that that system will suck ass as well.

bug_of_war:

Nashidar:

What IS an issue is the fact you have to pay again if you want to play with a second account on the SAME console.

That's where the screw over is happening.

...then use the same account. I've never had that issue where I've needed a second account for someone else to use to play the same game on because most people have their own console/most games give you the option to use multiple save files on the same profile. As with split-screen multiplayer, I'm sure we'll still be able to do so without everyone paying 40 bucks. So while this isn't an attractive feature, it's not something that I find entirely off putting. I still haven't decided whether I'm getting a PS4 or an Xbone yet, and to be honest the main deciding factor is going to be the games available on each console. And right now all Sony is offering is some okay-ish games that don't really interest me/games going to be available on 360/PS3, so yeah, I'm totally on the fence right now.

Little kids man. They got to have their own account. With a certain background. And icons. And such.

OT:
Remember when you just put a game in a console and it played? Like, not even a hit the play button, just slam in some Super Mario RPG or Armored Core and there ya go.

Zombie_Moogle:
Let me make sure I've got this

A disc is good for 1 install on 1 500GB HDD. How many AAA games could 500GB hold? Eventually you'd need to delete older ones to install newer games; does this mean they're gonna try to charge customers to play the game that they themselves already bought brand-new at full price?

Forget resale. Can I even play the same game twice?

Well a normal AAA game now is about 10-15 gigs. Crysis 1, a very graphics intensive game is 9.5 gigs. Red Orchestra 2 is 18 gigs.

Next gen? Above that. Lets be generous and say 20-5.

500/20 = 25 or 20 games max if games are 25 gigs. Lets not count how long a game would need to install on a console or how infuriating replacing games would be.

This is also NOT counting updates, which can be pretty gig hefty too.

Snowblindblitz:

Little kids man. They got to have their own account. With a certain background. And icons. And such.

OT:
Remember when you just put a game in a console and it played? Like, not even a hit the play button, just slam in some Super Mario RPG or Armored Core and there ya go.

Thought didn't even cross my mind. Well, I guess it would be alright if your kids are young and they're playing PG and G games, but yeah...kids don't stay 4-10 for long, and I'd be lying to say I hadn't been playing GTA when I was 8 so yeah...I can now see where the rock gets thrown at some people.

Not sure there will defiantly be a need to buy a used game license for every player on the same copy.

There are a number of potential systems, including a linked account system like the Wii U uses, where there is one major account through which purchases etc are made but individual user accounts that can access it. While the WiiU has many faults its method here has advantages.

Its possible they won't choose a sensible option like this but I like to consider other options before I throw a toddler tantrum and fixate on the worst option I can come up with.

I also like Gamestops hypocrisy in the used game issue. Trying to pretend that they are opposing this for any other reason than it cuts into their gravy train used game profits.How dare MS try and get a cut of gamestops action. And it's gamestop et al's action that anti-used games initiatives are aimed at. Publishers who see other corporations repetitively making profit on their products after the initial sale.

Well, the "fee" for subsequent installs is probably the first step to controling the used games market.
Think about it, if the "fee" is $10 and the game new is $60 then there is no point anyone paying more than $50 for a used game. Hell, you'd be better off just finding someone who will lend you a copy for the time it takes you to install and pay for it.

Plus, by the sound of it, you can play without paying as long as you have the disc, so multi-user houses will have 1 installed copy, then every other user will just have to have the game disc in the drive, just like they do now. Difference being, they will have the option of paying for their own, installed copy (hopefully at a dreastically reduced fee, yeah... I know...) to use whenever they want (and apparently on any XBone they log in to).

Plus, "XBone" genius!

Feeling delighted I bought that pc at the moment.

I can only hope the more aptly named ps4 doesn't pull any of this shit, because anyone who thinks they can fuck me an get away with it, better be an attractive girl or they won't be getting any of my money.

Xbox lost me since I was to pay gold account to use netflix, when my smart tv does it for free !!!! having to pay for gold subscription doesn't make sense. I'm already paying for my broad band, I have to pay to play games online? Come on, free to play MMO's are the next big thing on the PC market (with micro transaction and perks for donating or buying a deluxe version of the game). Now mandatory online authorisation of games is once again screwing over the people who don't have easy access to internet, mandatory game installs, and extra fees for second hand games?

PC's already have big advantages and now Microsoft is going to try and screw over the second hand market? Never have I seen a industry try and make money off the second hand industry, invading someone elses territory is not just morally wrong, its the customers that are getting screwed over! The publishers (EA), aggressive DRM (securom) and now Microsoft need to get its head out of its own ass, the customers are always right. It doesn't matter whether its normal products or digital/software products... the customers are always right.
You are scaring everyone away! Ah to hell with xbox, it had a good run. Play station with their free online network and a multitude of new games for PS3 coming (they always had a habit of supporting their older consoles) all points towards one thing, they are about to get a big spike in sales.

You all here do know that this rumour has already been dismissed by Microsoft, right? Right?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

JokerboyJordan:
Guys... just read this FAQ and most of your fears will be dismissed.

You made an entire thread about this FAQ... where most, if not all of your info was proven false. Sorry, whoever wrote that FAQ was wrong.

johnmaikeru:
1) Write about something in a cocksure manner that shows just how much of an ignorant twat you are

Why don't you post a youtube video of you loudly shouting at the camera (while shoving chocolate cake in your mouth) to complete this post.

johnmaikeru:

3) Bash Microsoft for doing (PROPOSING) something Sony and every other console manufacturer have been having wet dreams about (discs being irreversibly bound to a console? Ala Sony's brief fantasy of completely demolishing the pre-owned market)

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

johnmaikeru:

4) Insult gamers for feeling "entitled" on your piss-poor excuse for a comic strip- then grace us with your strong BAWWW-ing

Good show, Jonathan "24x-DVD-fo-lyfe" Carter.

Yes, because informing customers of a fucking locust plague coming for our wallets, must be the devils work!

Save your anger for Microsoft, a larger ever more growing, morally bankrupt corporation deserves it than a faceless random guy on the internet don't you think?

Wainamoinen:
You all here do know that this rumour has already been dismissed by Microsoft, right? Right?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

you do realize that the programming director of Microsoft has already confirmed that fees for second hand games is real, its not just a idea or a rumor, its actually been implemented and will be mandatory (ugh that word again) "feature".

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house - should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile"
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/
(Major Nelson, the director of programming at Microsoft)

It doesn't get anymore confirmed than that, you expect us to believe a random FAQ anybody could have wrote, or some vague statement from Microsoft on the twitter account. They are trying to hush things up till the launch date.

Wainamoinen:
You all here do know that this rumour has already been dismissed by Microsoft, right? Right?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

Major Nelson (Creative director for Microsoft) already confirmed the rumor as being true. Frankly, I'm gonna believe him.

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/

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