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Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 834 Joined: 4 Oct 2007 | Now there's an interesting slant to the "Wii is being purposely short-stocked" idea, that it's happening because of retailers and not Nintendo. I'll admit, my Wii we purchased as part of a bundled option. It was still cheaper than the competition at the time, and the bundle included an extra Wii-mote and nunchuck, which was fine for us because we both wanted to play. It also included a number of those silly "sport" attachments. One for driving, one for golf, and one for tennis. The driving one we haven't used yet, as we don't have a game that uses the "tilt the wii-mote" scheme of control to steer. As for the other two, while the golf one just makes you feel a bit silly, the tennis one actually does help a slight bit. It must be some sort of psychologic effect, but putting the little tennis racket on the end does seem to improve your game in Wii-tennis just that little bit. Perhaps the extra extension helps you to get the required "swing" motion that the Wii likes, as opposed to more of the twist move that you tend to use without it. At any rate, I think an overpriced bundle purchase is still a way better option than these guys simply bumping up the price of the machine. I hope news of this causes Nintendo to blacklist these guys. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 118 Joined: 5 Dec 2007 | Supply and demand. This is the market in action. As long as people are buying, they will sell. Presuming there is no agreement otherwise between Nintendo and Slackers, there is nothing wrong going on here. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 8087 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 | "Nothing wrong" doesn't mean it's not greasy. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 834 Joined: 4 Oct 2007 | I beg to differ. Nothing illegal does not equate to nothing wrong. Slacker's actions, by holding these things off the market (as they said, they had them priced even higher, but they weren't selling then.. that's units that were just being held up) damage Nintendo's reputation and lessen the adoption of the Wii by the mainstream (something that I think should not be underestimated in importance by anybody who calls themself a gamer). That said, I'd argue that should Nintendo refuse to sell a single unit more to Slacker's, they're doing nothing wrong either, and given the damage to their reputation that this shortage is causing (from conspiracy theories to simply the idea of Nintendo's supply chain being incompetent) I think perfectly reasonable response. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 93 Joined: 11 Sep 2007 | Sorry, there is nothing going wrong here? That's not true. Granted that there is a shortage of Wiis and the most profitable thing for retailers to do in that case is to move units off the retail market (where they have to charge the retail price) and into the "grey market" (where they can charge whatever they can get away with). This actually hurts the Wii market in the sense that it redirects income from consumers to these retailers who engage in these practices. This is not an economically efficient outcome, so don't try to pass off some lame "markets in action" nonsense. This is actually a classic example of a market FAILURE in action. No economist would ever say that all markets are efficient, and this is certainly an example of one that is not. Supply and demand will only clear markets when the price can change freely and there is sufficient information available to make informed purchasing decisions. Neither of these is true in this case. This is a shortage created by Nintendo (purposely or not, who knows?) being made worse by greedy retailers. With this story breaking, I have a feeling that Slacker's might be in trouble. Oh, I have an idea, someone send this story to the Consumerist, then they will really get it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1256 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 | Huh, a retailer decides to sell product X at an increased price for a short period, because there's a huge demand (and it does sell even at that price), instead of putting them on the store front at normal price (stupid in this case), and people act surprised and complain? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 118 Joined: 5 Dec 2007 | Is it greasy? Sure. Is it shady? Absolutely. Is it necessary? Probably not. Is anyone actually forcing the buyers to pay nearly double the MSRP for the units? Nope. The information is out there. Emptors' lack of caveatitude does not imply a lack of choice. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 8087 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 | Does this mean you're condoning the action? Or is this just devil's advocatitude? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1256 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 | I don't see what's devil about that. It would be stupid for them not to increase the price of an (plastic) item that is so rare, which people are willing to acquire at a higher price. It may suck for the consumer, but c'est la vie. |
Staff Emeritus Posts: 1124 Joined: 7 Jul 2006 |
Apply that to gas, because hay guyz you can always walk, and people burn down gas stations in more consumer-friendly countries. Price fixing's price fixing, dude. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 93 Joined: 11 Sep 2007 |
So when movie theaters show a popular movie and they think they may sell out, they should scalp their own tickets outside to make more money? That doesn't sound very good to me, I certainly wouldn't go to that movie theater. I don't think this is illegal, but I'm sort of confused as to why there isn't some kind of contractual obligation from the distributor as to where they can sell the Wiis. Is Ebay off the radar when it comes to that type of thing? This is Yankee capitalism at it's worst (not including the Ferengi). Though (some) retailers do this kind of shit whenever they think they can get away with it. The information is out there? Yes, I'm sure that the Ebay posting for these Wiis mention how these are supposed to be retail units and that the seller is buying them at wholesale. It does imply lack of choice because now there are people getting priced out of the market. Your "choice" is overpriced on Ebay or nothing (provided that they are sold out at honest merchants in your area, which many people are experiencing). |
Beat Writer Posts: 167 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
That's the key thing right there: wholesale. These people are buying their Wii's at a much lower price than consumers have avalible to them. It's not like, say, the PS3 launch where guys waited in line for 3 PS3's and then sold 2 of them online for hundreds more than they got them for. That was dirty, but they still had to buy the things at the same retail price everybody else was given, and usually had to wait overnight to do so, too. But imagine if the launch had companies that tried to sell all their stock on Ebay and not even provide any for the line outside? You wouldn't be sitting there saying, "It's just business" if that happened, would you? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1256 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 |
I didn't know Wiis were essential to the economics of a country.
Yes, I'd do, because I know that under saner conditions (like no shortages for example), little would be the number of people ready to buy a console bundles at such a high price. |
BANNED Posts: 6317 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 | Think of it like a comic book, take a Mint Spider Man #1. They're rare, at this point, Wii's are rare. Comic book store ups price, what's stoping Slackers from upping their price. It's a long running business practice that has proven lucritive... User was banned for: The hypocrisy is KILLING me.. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 93 Joined: 11 Sep 2007 | Where did you get a Wii for $150? That's way below cost. I just heard that retailers actually make almost no money from the Wii, they only make a few dollars off of the MSRP. So I can understand why this guy is doing this. In fact, there is the reply to all this from Slacker's right here: I'm feeling more sympathy for the guy now, but not a whole lot more. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 5 Joined: 3 Dec 2007 |
The problem with that analogy, however, is that your comic book store is very likely -not- buying a mint Spider Man #1 directly from Marvel. Instead they're buying it from another consumer and then re-selling it, either immediately or at a later date. This is called the "secondary market". The problem in this case isn't that the Wii is rare, it's that they are buying it driectly from the supplier - something the average consumer is not able to do. While it is by no means illegal, that doesn't mean it's ethical, and while it may make more money immediately, it's very likely going to hurt the business's reputation in the long run. That is why it's a bad idea for them. |
Beat Writer Posts: 151 Joined: 7 Nov 2007 | shouldnt there be/isnt there, some kind of clause preventing companies selling things on ebay. as i believe that should be the case, with exceptions for small companies run by 2-3 people. either way, they are going to suffer, as they have promptly shot themselves in the foot. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 8087 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 | Independent companies like Slackers are free to do what they want with their product. They could mark the consoles up to $399 for in-store sales if they wanted. Their reasons not to include bad publicity like this and a high risk of backlash among customers who dropped $400 bucks on a Wii and then, in the clarity that comes with the holiday let-down, realize the seller was taking advantage of the situation to rip them off. Because that's really what it comes down to. Mr. Jellinek's statement extolling his company's virtues as a good corporate citizen is really just a thin excuse for the bottom-line fact: He wants more money. Let's be clear: Giving away a Wii over the radio is publicity, nothing more. There is no difference between doing that and spending the cost of the Wii (and probably quite a bit more) to purchase an ad spot on the same station. The implication that these acts are somehow altruistic is laughable. As someone with significant retail experience, let me offer an insight: Nobody makes money on consoles. Retailers eat the cost of the console because it gets people in the store and will (hopefully) bring them back for future purposes. You either accept that bare-bones consoles are loss leaders, or you don't stock them and deal with the reduced traffic and reputation that results. It's the nature of the business, always has been. I'm not suggesting that Slackers should somehow be prevented from selling their stuff on eBay for any price they want, or that they're breaking any laws or Retailers' Secret Code of Conduct and Honourable Behaviour by doing so. But there's no doubt in my mind it's a greasy practice, and I honestly don't see how a few extra bucks per console justifies the negative publicity and potential bad feelings that could result. |
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Retailer Selling Wii Stock Via eBay Store
A retail chain in the U.S. is taking advantage of the Nintendo Wii shortage by selling its inventory over eBay at grossly inflated prices.
According to an Ars Technica report, Slackers, a regional chain based in Illinois and Missouri, has been selling all its stock of the Wii via its eBay store at a price of $399.99, $150 more than the regular retail price. The systems had originally been priced at $499.99, but weren't selling at that price. A Slackers employee who provided the story to Ars claimed that over the past year, the retailer has only sold Wii systems through its normal storefront once, during a promotional offer. "The real crime is that we get Wii shipments regularly. In fact, right now we have about 20, but none of them make it to the store front," he said.
Ars Technica contacted a Slackers location in St. Louis to ask about the practice, and were referred to the company's owner. At last report, they have not been able to contact him, and Nintendo has also refused to comment. Nintendo of America Reggie Fils-Aime, however, recently expressed his displeasure with companies who take advantage of the demand for the Wii to drive up their own profits by forcing people to buy them in unofficial bundles.
The full Ars Technica report is available here. The Nintendo Wii consoles for sale on the Slackers eBay Store, which we strongly urge you to not purchase, can be found here.
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